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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Yep, trust wimmenz /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1538728196 Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/18 at 01:29:56 |
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Title: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/18 at 01:29:56 http://www.floppingaces.net/2018/10/04/i-remember-the-time-a-white-woman-accused-emmett-till-and-democrats-believed-her/ Ohhh, it's a good article. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by WebsterMark on 10/05/18 at 05:33:56 Now that's an excellent point. GOP should have thought of that and brought that up earlier. Nice find. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/05/18 at 05:48:58 Emmett Till? Are you really equating Emmett Till to brett?? LMAO!!!! Yeah, they have the exact same background - and the US today is the same as it was back in the 40's.... Wow... too funny! SMH |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by WebsterMark on 10/05/18 at 06:06:53 Our friend TT is a walking, talking perfect example. “SPOTTING TELLS FOR COGNITIVE DISSONANCE” “[A mocking word or acronym] + [an absurd absolute] or . . .” “[A mocking word or acronym] + [a personal insult that is more aggressive than the situation seems to warrant]” Take his goofy reply to Jog below, break it down and insert it into the formula above! ------------------------------------ Emmett Till? Are you really equating Emmett Till to brett?? LMAO!!!! Yeah, they have the exact same background - and the US today is the same as it was back in the 40's.... Wow... too funny! SMH |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/18 at 06:08:43 203E31303D203B26540 wrote:
That's all that's there. Nope. No others. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/05/18 at 06:35:45 Yeah, you guys are right. Emmett Till and brett k are brothers in arms... They went through the same process. Our world hasn't changed since the 40s. That, and yeah, women lie all the time... ^^^^^^^ sarcasm It's funny that the two of you defend the right at all costs. I guess you probably wish that it was still the 40s... :D |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/05/18 at 06:41:47 I find it hard to believe we are to make many direct comparisons of events that are 7 decades apart. I also find it hard to think anyone will take the post seriously when you can't even put a respectful title. Is the presentation here to take two events in 70 years and use that as a parameter to create a general distrust in women? Is this a suggestion that "wimmenz" are typically not sexually assaulted and in most cases it is made up? The thousands of SANE kit DNA logs are false maybe? |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by MnSpring on 10/05/18 at 07:37:41 The gist of that article, was to basically say: “…Ford has damaged the cause of real victims of sexual assault. She made some of us document the numerous accounts of false accusations. She’s introduced doubt. I think Ford and Feinstain and those lawyers planned the whole thing- the leak, the seven week delay, the whiny five year old voice- all of it. I’d love to see a real FBI investigation- starting with those therapist’s notes and then another interview. She’s made countless people question not only her, but all of the next victims of real crimes….” And the Next, very valid, (today's), point was: The UL, Trump Hating, Democrats, who found and put up, and say they believe Ford. “…do not believe Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones or Karen Monahan. Mary Jo Kopechne was not available for comment….” |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by WebsterMark on 10/05/18 at 07:53:23 I find it hard to believe we are to make many direct comparisons of events that are 7 decades apart. No one's making DIRECT comparisons of course. That's the point of the formula for Cognitive Dissonance. No one is saying this situation is a duplicate or directly relate to the Till event. It's saying that eagles and turkeys both fly and then being falsely ridiculed for saying eagles and turkeys are the same. No one said that. We did say the woman in the Till case was automatically believed because of the atmosphere of the time and Till paid for it; with his life in his case. In this case, a partisan media overhyped obviously ridiculous charges from a partisan woman in a partisan Supreme Court nomination. You'd think we would have learned to be a little suspicious in situations like this. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/05/18 at 07:59:55 "We did say the woman in the Till case was automatically believed because of the atmosphere of the time and Till paid for it; with his life in his case. In this case, a partisan media overhyped obviously ridiculous charges from a partisan woman in a partisan Supreme Court nomination. You'd think we would have learned to be a little suspicious in situations like this. " I see your point there. I was taking the article in context with the thread title and thinking it indicated that women are not to be trusted in general because of two references 70 years apart. I may be reading into the "wimmenz" verbiage as being intentionally disrespectful/discrediting of women as a whole when it's intended for another unknown reason. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/18 at 08:08:58 Did I miss something? Weren't there several modern day events that are part of the post where wimmenz lied? Lying saxoshit, and then Pictures of the women who The Pustule went about destroying.. But you can pretend that one, old, reference is the whole point, so you can laugh it off. That's pathetic. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by raydawg on 10/05/18 at 08:25:52 7E4C4B5A5D4C5B64485B42290 wrote:
;) |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by raydawg on 10/05/18 at 08:27:52 1A3A38302D3A5F0 wrote:
I'll tell you what...... When folks STOP comparing me as a GOD FEARING BELIEVER, to the Crusaders, we'll talk. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by MnSpring on 10/05/18 at 08:43:00 495A425F5A4C5C3B0 wrote:
raydawg, again you forget. “The Rules” For, ’Some’, people, it is perfectly all right to say things like. ‘you said that, you must be a Nazi’ ‘you believe that, you must be a Nazi’ Yet for others, the $hit hits the fan when they say things like: ’they blocked traffic, destroyed property, Looted, shouted Death threats, they should be put in jail'. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/05/18 at 08:43:51 "I'll tell you what...... When folks STOP comparing me as a GOD FEARING BELIEVER, to the Crusaders, we'll talk" I have no control over what people call you so requiring me to stop others free-actions won't be possible and therefore creates a parameter that assures we can not talk. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/05/18 at 08:51:15 Did I miss something? Yes. Weren't there several modern day events that are part of the post where wimmenz lied? Yes. Lying saxoshit, and then Pictures of the women who The Pustule went about destroying.. But you can pretend that one, old, reference is the whole point, so you can laugh it off. I am not laughing, or dismissing. I see your point in the article but not in how it applies universally to "wimmenz" or what I assumed you meant to be "Women" and as such women as a whole. I find it hard to believe that hundreds of thousands of male DNA samples taken from underage female's vaginal, rectal and mouth swabs are false. I may have interpreted the title and the verbiage of "wimmenz" to be more universal than you intended. That's pathetic. Ok. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by raydawg on 10/05/18 at 08:51:20 032321293423460 wrote:
DITTO |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/05/18 at 08:54:38 So what is the point of your statement? To create a parameter that keeps people from being able to openly communicate their ideas and interpretations specifically to you? |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by raydawg on 10/05/18 at 09:17:01 426260687562070 wrote:
no. What is your point? |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/05/18 at 09:46:56 I don't have a point, I have a question. I understand your position is to present a parameter to have a discussion that prevents the discussion from happening. Is that your intention? Am I interpreting your parameter that discussion can only happen if I can prevent people from speaking a certain way specifically to you? |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by LostArtist on 10/05/18 at 09:51:12 another thread bashing women by conservatives... wish I was surprised |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/05/18 at 11:51:56 2F3C24393C2A3A5D0 wrote:
;) [/quote] Great job cheerleading ray - keep up the great work! :D |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by verslagen1 on 10/05/18 at 12:37:57 a pot calling the kettle black. ;D |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/05/18 at 12:52:05 4B584F4E515C5A58530C3D0 wrote:
Never said I didn't. Just calling ray out on it. I cheerlead too vers. The only difference is, I also contribute to the conversation. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by raydawg on 10/05/18 at 12:57:57 nah nah nah nah nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Whoa, spooky. :-? |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/05/18 at 13:00:05 36253D20253323440 wrote:
LOL - so, where's the blame for the "drive by"? ;D ;D Ah, so easy... |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by MnSpring on 10/05/18 at 14:19:24 5F7C60675261677A6067130 wrote:
Can you explain, why you believe, any part of previous conversation, was a ‘Conservative’ Condemning a ‘Woman’ ? The only thing I could see, that was remotely similar. was tt saying: “…That, and yeah, women lie all the time…” Which tt has never said anything even close to a useful Conservative idea. And he said that statement was sarcasm. The next was Eegors saying: ”…it indicated that women are not to be trusted in general..." which started with: “…I was taking the article in context with the thread title and thinking…” So that’s not it. So please explain why you believe: “…another thread bashing women by conservatives…” |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/05/18 at 14:25:53 I basically thought the thread, combined with the title, meant that since this woman might have, and another did lie about being assaulted, then women lie about being assaulted. That's really no different than saying since that man raped that kid, men rape kids. I think I may have taken the combination of the title, and the article out of its intended scope. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by LostArtist on 10/05/18 at 14:55:34 08282A223F284D0 wrote:
no, you're right on. JOG labeled the thread in a disrespectful way towards women, he didn't have to it that way, he actually does know better, but he wanted to either make a joke about it (lying about assault) or be disrespectful but really, that's what you expect from one of the most conservative people on here, so if he's an example of conservatives, extreme conservatives, then, if he can extrapolate his crap onto wall women, then we are justified in extrapolating our conclusion over all conservatives. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/05/18 at 15:22:23 54776B6C596A6C716B6C180 wrote:
No no Lost. That's not the same. That's not fair. Only democrats are all the same. Conservatives are all differing degrees... didn't you know that? Aren't you tired of winning yet??? :D |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/05/18 at 15:26:14 All the idiot as to do is shut up.... but no. orange idiot's twitter: "The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love! #Troublemakers" Oh man... the republicans are gonna lose so many female votes this midterm... Prompting them to lose "bigly" overall. trump is just too stupid to care. Good job donny! |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by MnSpring on 10/05/18 at 16:06:31 7E5D41467340465B4146320 wrote:
First the word: ‘wimmenz’. It’s how all the cool kids say "women" nowadays. “The Cool Kids” = The most dope ass hip hop duo ever! It consists of Mikey Rocks who is from Chicago and Chuck Inglish who is from Detroit. But, you say, “…JOG labeled the thread in a disrespectful way towards women…” So that means, you are CLEARLY Racist, and Predigest. Now after you have shown us the fact that, you clearly have a Racist attitude, can you answer the question I posed to you? Explain why you believe: “…another thread bashing women by conservatives…” |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/18 at 16:11:28 4F6C70774271776A7077030 wrote:
Read the article. It points out the damage done to innocent men, because they LIED. Are you Really stupid enough to believe I'm talking about ALL women? I WILL talk down to and about women who LIE and hurt people. What happened to Innocent until proven guilty? A girl in Odessa was grounded for bad grades. She accused a neighbor of molesting her. He went to prison for about four years before she figured out she should fess up. Family GONE Reputation GONE Job GONE Wrecked the guys FUKKING LIFE. Believe them. I hope You are wrongfully accused if this is your way. Don't get mad while you defend yourself against lies. Confess, own it. It's what you want for others. The Upside? The mommy was so distraught over the horrific event in her daughter's life, She let her off of being grounded. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/05/18 at 22:03:20 "First the word: ‘wimmenz’. It’s how all the cool kids say "women" nowadays. “The Cool Kids” = The most dope ass hip hop duo ever! It consists of Mikey Rocks who is from Chicago and Chuck Inglish who is from Detroit" I like how JOG apparently still uses a whiteboard to get groceries but will crank up the Urban Dictionary to describe women. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wimmenz https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20Cool%20Kids |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/18 at 22:08:59 If someone decided what I say means something I never saw, BFD |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/18 at 01:42:12 I Intended it to be disrespectful TO LIARS.. Why, FFS,, WHY would anyone give such credence to unsubstantiated claims as to work to destroy a man? Who conned you If you Truly believe that is how an accused should be treated, I HOPE you are accused. You'll be understanding Why Innocent until Proven Guilty Is good then. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by MnSpring on 10/06/18 at 07:43:29 0D2D2F273A2D480 wrote:
I am curious, How does one, use a 'whiteboard', to get groceries ? I'm almost 66, Both my parents grew up in the depression. They taught the value of a penny well to their sons, by their, 'Observed Experience'. The only thing I can think of, is carrying a huge white board aground in the store, and crossing things off as you put them in you cart. Instead of the NORMAL way, by writing on the back of a envelope. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/06/18 at 07:55:00 "I am curious, How does one, use a 'whiteboard', to get groceries ?" JoG said the following: "I don't even have a cell phone. My shopping list is on paper, I copy it from the whiteboard on the fridge. My wife just snaps a pic. I'm a dinosaur. " To clarify I meant to convey he utilizes a whiteboard in a multi-stage process of retrieving groceries in cooperation with others. Urban Dictionary is typically a modern method of identifying terms used in current communication, typically not a website utilized by people who don't have cell phones and also do not typically use the terms located on the website. "Typically" meaning in most cases but not all, as in some people that do not carry cell phones may use Urban Dictionary but since the website has most access through mobile searches on phones evidence suggests that cell phone owners use the site more than non-cell phone users. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/18 at 09:57:50 You guys can dissect the language in another thread. This one is for talking about how much damage and destruction of good men has been done by adopting a policy of believing lies. To Believe the alleged victim Is reasonable When there is some reason To believe her. Ford was given ample opportunity to provide support for the claims. Bupkis. I offered an article that shows time after time where the alleged victim was the perpetrator, by lying and destroying the man. So, for all you Guilty until proven innocent people, May you soon be accused. And for the Kavanau is STILL guilty crowd, Explain why you believe that. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/06/18 at 10:11:31 746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
I believe he's guilty. Look at how he went to pieces at the hearing. Now, you'll come back and say "he was accused falsely and his reputation ruined". Bull. The fact is, it will probably never be proved one way or another. He'll probably get on the bench and Dr. Ford's life will never be the same. (go ask Anita Hill) She had nothing to gain and everything to lose. One thing she did do though, is expose brett for the unbalanced guy he is. I personally don't want a frat boy that emotional deciding the fate of the US and its Constitution. He admitted to being upset by what he thought was a partisan attack on his character. He sounded vengeful, spiteful and fill of hate. He mentioned the clintons personally and when questioned by democrats, was rude, evasive and childish. No, brett is not fit for the SCOUS - just like the man that appointed him is not fit for the office of president. Now - rant on jog.... |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/18 at 10:24:49 I've already taken you apart. You're too dishonest to argue with. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/06/18 at 13:07:56 7D6264637E7948784870626E25170 wrote:
LOL - oh yah.. you "took me apart" alright - if you call running away "taking apart". Sour grapes there jog? If this had been a dem, you'd have dwelled on his lack of self control and compared the allegations to clinton. Own it for once, instead of just adding on to your 45 thousand posts... |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by WebsterMark on 10/06/18 at 14:42:56 4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:
Not just taken apart, but if you laid the pieces end to end, it would be longer than the throngs of crying leftist in DC right now. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/18 at 07:28:39 764443525544536C40534A210 wrote:
Not just taken apart, but if you laid the pieces end to end, it would be longer than the throngs of crying leftist in DC right now.[/quote] Well, I guess when you're outnumbered, you have to cling to everyone you can... it's ok mark - whatever makes you feel better. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by WebsterMark on 10/07/18 at 07:42:09 Trump winning over and over makes me feel better. The country's in a better place now than 2 years ago, that makes me feel better. Leftist bring so stupid as to believe stories of gang rapes and putting their hatred on display makes me feel better. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/07/18 at 10:05:03 586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote:
I think you meant "being"... at any rate, it's so convenient for you to paint all lefties with one large brush... I find that amazing. Hey, maybe I should start saying that since there's a nazi running in IL on the republican ticket, then all republicans are nazis - it's the same thing all you cons on here do day after day. But as to those accusations - given brett's lack of control, I wouldn't put it past him. How many times do I have to say - Character matters... Bigly. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/18 at 10:52:08 Character didn't matter when Hillary stole the nomination. Or when Bill was playing in the whitehouse, or when he raped women. Trump is no saint, but he's accomplishing more for America than anyone else ever has. One day, every one of you will say the same. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Serowbot on 10/07/18 at 10:59:34 3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:
Unless you're a woman, Muslim, gay, Hispanic, under 30, poor, sick, or have a child with a pre-existing condition... :-? |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by MnSpring on 10/07/18 at 11:06:20 7C6A7D60786D607B0F0 wrote:
Can you elaborate on each of those things. And state, with proof, (Not the Kav Kind, of 'proof'. LOL) Why they are worse today ? |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/09/18 at 05:49:48 ' Well insurance carriers can deny coverage based off of pre-existing coverage now, so that should cover the pre-existing coverage portion. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by WebsterMark on 10/09/18 at 06:10:40 2C3A2D30283D302B5F0 wrote:
Unless you're a woman, Muslim, gay, Hispanic, under 30, poor, sick, or have a child with a pre-existing condition... :-?[/quote] Typical bull$hit. All those are better off today than 2 years ago. Hispanic support of Trump has grown. What are the leftist gonna do when the minority groups they conned votes from for years wake up and realize the Dems are elitist losers who only wanted them as gardeners......? Divide and conquer only works for so long. You're running out of minorities to lie to. They're turning on you. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/09/18 at 06:12:48 " All those are better off today than 2 years ago" Can you clarify regarding how people that would receive complete healthcare coverage if they paid the premiums 2 years ago are now paying the same premiums for healthcare issues that can be denied? |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by T And T Garage on 10/09/18 at 06:22:23 576562737465724D61726B000 wrote:
Unless you're a woman, Muslim, gay, Hispanic, under 30, poor, sick, or have a child with a pre-existing condition... :-?[/quote] Typical bull$hit. All those are better off today than 2 years ago. Hispanic support of Trump has grown. I honestly can't believe you posted that... yeah, it's waaayy up to 34%...lol . And that's from a rasmussen poll - heavy right leaning, but whatever makes you feel better. Hey, when you're that low, up is the only way to go. What are the leftist gonna do when the minority groups they conned votes from for years wake up and realize the Dems are elitist losers who only wanted them as gardeners......? Ha! Good one.. The righties are in it for the middle class, huh? You truly have no idea. How'd that tax break work out for the middle class? How'd that gigantic stock buyback help main street? Nada... Divide and conquer only works for so long. You're running out of minorities to lie to. They're turning on you. [/quote] No, actually, the minority vote is getting stronger for the democrats thanks to your boy trumpster... In a general election poll, the democrats are nearing a 9% lead.... you may want to check yourself... |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by eau de sauvage on 10/15/18 at 00:17:55 @JoG, I don't need to read your post or the link, the title "Yep, trust wimmenz", is just a flag to display your spiteful misogyny, why so bitter towards women, obviously you've had to have had a sad life to feel you have to treat them as an enemy. Sort of firms up your racist credentials too, misogyny and racism go hand in hand. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/18 at 02:58:47 Noo, Lying women, Yes, you definitely need to read it. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by eau de sauvage on 10/15/18 at 04:59:40 2C3335322F2819291921333F74460 wrote:
Well Trump lies all the time, so that that mean all men are liars. I don't need to read it because obviously it's going to be some poor example that some women did, which is fine but then you brand whatever it is they did to ALL wimmen in your thread title and that automatically is instantly a misogynistic flag. Can't you see that, it's like branding all white people because of Charlotteville. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/15/18 at 15:35:58 For me it was the "Z" in "Wimmenz" that pluralized the word and made the post seem potentially universal. JoG clarified he was only being derogatory towards women that were dishonest in a capacity that negatively effected men. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by eau de sauvage on 10/15/18 at 16:47:10 2404060E1304610 wrote:
Oh thank you so very much for that wonderfully fair clarification. Nothing like excusing women haters. It's perfectly in keeping with his other racist misogynistic posts which parrot trump who of course is not a man nor a liar. I'm certain now eegore that you're trolling me, in your own sneaky way. But that's OK. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/18 at 16:50:12 If trolling equals correcting, Yeah, he's trolling you. |
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Title: Re: Yep, trust wimmenz Post by Eegore on 10/16/18 at 05:43:01 "Oh thank you so very much for that wonderfully fair clarification. Nothing like excusing women haters. It's perfectly in keeping with his other racist misogynistic posts which parrot trump who of course is not a man nor a liar. I'm certain now eegore that you're trolling me, in your own sneaky way. But that's OK. " Why would you think that I am excusing anything? I am clarifying my personal assessment of this threads topic and verbiage. In this thread I posted: " I find it hard to believe we are to make many direct comparisons of events that are 7 decades apart. I also find it hard to think anyone will take the post seriously when you can't even put a respectful title. Is the presentation here to take two events in 70 years and use that as a parameter to create a general distrust in women? Is this a suggestion that "wimmenz" are typically not sexually assaulted and in most cases it is made up? The thousands of SANE kit DNA logs are false maybe?" Later in the thread JoG clarified that he did not mean all women but only lying women that in the course of lying have damaged men. Upon re-examination I realized that my original assessment of him meaning all women was due to the "Z" in his selected term of "Wimmenz" This is my true belief based off of my observations and clarifications contained within this thread. "Trolling" is essentially useless to me as I am not interested in anyone's emotional state here. |
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