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Title: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/05/18 at 10:37:27 1997 11k miles. One previous owner. Picked up for a steal at $700 in NorthWest Washington state. About Me: 6” 200lbs. Have built tons of hot rods and bikes over the years. Grew up in a machine shop with a machinist father and now am a 3rd generation machinist. Have access to basically any tool under the sun and am not scared to tear something down deep and see how it ticks. I’m asking for some tips. I have tried to use the search function on the site but, it doesn’t show any results; no matter what I input. 1. Correct jets for Harley shorty at sea level with some mountain pass riding. And air box delete methods. There is a lack of photos on the forum. 2. Tallest possible Z-Bars without buying extended cables. 3. Compatibility with larger spoke wheels from other models or manufacturers. Thank you in advance for any links/advice you guys accompany me with. I am aware that there is a wealth of knowledge here and any help in site navigation will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again, SAVAGEJD http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu16/Jweaver8061/FABF8B36-8CD1-40EE-A5BB-DE613A854198_zpsaebvepqd.jpeg (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/Jweaver8061/media/FABF8B36-8CD1-40EE-A5BB-DE613A854198_zpsaebvepqd.jpeg.html) |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by batman on 09/05/18 at 17:48:06 Welcome JD ! Seems it's up to me to say something to try to answer your questions. I'd jet for sea level ,you'll be running rich in Mt passes, but that's better than running the bike lean (hotter ) at sea level . from what I see (if correct) your header looks very blue and the carb could already need larger jets and the white spacer mod. Jets when installing an after market air cleaner and or the HD shorty will vary ,we'll need to know your elevation above sea level ,type of air cleaner ,and if the muffler is stock (baffled). I'm not to knowledgeable about Z-bars but I THINK 10 inches might be the limit. There are cast wheels that can be used from older Suzuki GS bikes, and there are companies that will lace our hubs to larger rims or provide the rims and spokes ,if you wish to do it yourself. Again I'm not the one to tell you . but you'd have to tell use what style you intend the bike to become. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by zipidachimp on 09/05/18 at 21:46:30 Welcome: regarding 'search', I find google gives me the answers on this forum faster than searching this forum, sad but true. Put 'S40' in search inquiry. Check the 'build' section for photos etc. Lots of help here, just ask. 8-) ps: carb at sea level: 52.5/150 works for me with white spacer at half thickness, Dyna muffler. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by verslagen1 on 09/05/18 at 22:42:38 There isn't a direct bolt on for the front. the intruder has a 21" wheel but the disk isn't compatible. but the intruder front end would swap. For the rear, wouldn't recommend anything larger than 16" or 26" diameter as it wouldn't fit in the swingarm w/out a mod. Get a jet kit from lancer and you'll have everything you'll need. Then run thru the jetting instructions in the tech section. Every bike is different and nobody rides like you. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/06/18 at 01:38:58 Hey guys, Fantastic feedback. I will definitely get a jet kit from Lancer. If you’re reading this I have paypal waiting ::) I don’t really mind the 19” in the front but would like something else in the rear I suppose? 15” just seems so small. 16” would be great as it can eat up a fender well a little better. The front tire is super wide, haven’t checked the size out, but so wide it throws you out of the leans. I have been using google for searches on here as well. I noticed that most archived photobucket pictures have vanished, not only on this forum, but basically every forum I use. Must be something they changed or inactive accounts closing. I’m planning on running 8-10” zbars. Deleting the air box jetting the carbs and finding a slick looking exhaust. I’ll probably end up custom fabbing a rear fender, unless someone knows of another model/manufacturer that has decent/classic look. I Really like the way a savage tank looks. It has all the correct lines screaming chopper/bobber. The previous owner was such a nice lady I hate to chop this bike up to much, well the wife had a heart-to-heart with the PO when we picked it up so I won’t be busting up my cutting wheel and welder......too much 8-) She passed on with me the nickname of the bike, Ruby Lou. I’d like to keep that theme as the build progresses in honor of the woman who sold me her beloved savage steed. She never rode this bike on highways or freeways it’s in incredible condition and since she gave me such an amazing price I feel I owe at least this to her. Thanks guys. I’m exhausting from 14hr day at the plant. Going to hit the search bar a few more times and call it a night. You all ride safe out there, SAVAGEJD |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by ohiomoto on 09/06/18 at 06:25:50 I would lace up an 18" or 19" rear hoop. If you keep the tire diameter at 26" and keep the stock shocks, you won't have to modify the swingarm or swap out the belt. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/06/18 at 08:25:13 Ohiomoto, That’s a great idea. Are you guys stuffing wide tires in the rear? What size is maximum width? Appreciate all the awesome feedback. I can already tell this is a great forum. Probably one of the better ones I’ve ever used. SSAVAGEJD |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by ohiomoto on 09/06/18 at 09:03:20 I went skinny. If you want to go wide you probably need to mod the swingarm to allow for a bigger tire or maybe go 17". I don't know if anyone has gone 19" on our bikes, but you would need to stay really skinny. Like old school skinny. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by Gary_in_NJ on 09/06/18 at 09:06:30 The problem with a 19" rear is trying to find a tire that isn't for flat-track use. I wanted to use 19's f&r on my street tracker, but elected to go 18's do to the availability of good street tires. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by faffi on 09/06/18 at 23:44:48 Avon makes 19" Roadrunner and Roadrider tyres that can be used both as front and rear rubber. They even have a racing compound if you have extra need for grip http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/motorcycle/am26---roadrider |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by Dave on 09/07/18 at 02:59:12 484F4848472E0 wrote:
"DO NOT" use any kind of racing compound on the street. They don't stick well until you get them warmed up, and on public roads you are not working them hard enough to keep them warm.....they will provide less traction than a normal tire when cold. The sport bike tires have compounds that are sticky when used on public roads - they are completely different than race tire compounds. The tires you will find to fit the 15/19"" Savage rims (or even 16") are cruiser tires which are compounded for good mileage. If you change to an 18" rear rim you will be able to find Vintage or Sport Touring tires - they can have softer/stickier compounds at the expense of mileage.......Pirelli Sport Demons only go 6-8K before they are worn out, the Avon Road Rider and Battlax BT45's are a bit better. SavageJD has posted that he is looking to eliminate the air box, install the tallest Z bars possible, and stuff a big oversize tire in the back - I don't believe he is looking to make his bike a canyon carver......but is more into the bobber/chopper lifestyle. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by Dave on 09/07/18 at 03:24:27 7042554244466967230 wrote:
The stock 100/90-19 tire is a pretty common size size - unless you are used to seeing the narrow 21" front wheels that a lot of choppers use. You can drop down to a 90/90-19 front tire if you want a smaller tire up front - but it won't fill the front fender up anymore. I am not sure what tire your bike has on it now - but if the tires are the original IRC and are 22 years old....that could be what is throwing you out on the curves (the stock IRC tires are not very good). For your chopper/bobber look - I really don't think you want to go to an 18" rear wheel.....that size rim works on Cafe' and Tracker and Traditional style motorcycles - it just doesn't fit the style of a chopper/bobber. There are some vintage spoked wheels/hubs from Suzuki are 16" that will bolt onto the Savage - I don't know off the top of my head which ones (GS or GT bikes from the 70/80's) - the problem is that they are very narrow 2.15" rims which severely limits your tire choice, and it is very hard to find one that isn't all corroded and nasty. There is a complete thread on tires for the Savage, and I will post a link at the end of this thread. The Stock 140/80-15 rear tire is only made by a couple of companies and is hard to find. If you want the best/quickest handling and want to keep the bike close to stock - a 130/90-15 tire is recommended. If you want a bigger tire a 140/90-15 is significantly bigger and you have a lot of choices - it does slow the acceleration down, makes the bike a bit less eager to steer, and it is a larger diameter and helps cut down engine rpm when cruising. It is about as big of a tire that you can fit without rubbing issues. The stock airbox works well on this bike....if you can stand to keep it you will have a much easier time getting the bike jetted so that it runs well. Cone filters don't always make your bike run better - and some make it run poorly. NEW TIRE THREAD: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1448021014 |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by ohiomoto on 09/07/18 at 06:32:27 12292433222E353328202D32410 wrote:
Say what? If you want old school chopper, bigger hoops with skinny tires fit the look just fine. http://https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/4f/72/a44f727e3e05efec8ecba6067428b94f.jpg http://https://i.pinimg.com/originals/56/b4/11/56b411fdbea855b8a65f8f7e68555463.jpg |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/07/18 at 18:08:01 Hey Guys, The stock air box delete is for looks. Definitely want to use an intake or velocity stack on it. I just like the bare bones look. I love seeing the frame etc.,. I have rejetted many many carbs and been able to tune them with no issues. Yes, this is going to be a cruiser. I have built my fair share of both choppers and cafe style bikes. The savage frame is perfectly set up for a bobber/chopper look. I still haven’t been home to get the tire sizes. They are definitely not the original tires as they are fairly new. Not worried about front fender not being filled as it will be replaced with a better looking front fender. I will be keeping all the stock parts to replace back on the bike when my girl is ready to ride. I definitely need to figure out a seat situation. For some reason while riding the stock seat forces you forward into an uncomfortable position. I don’t want to modify the frame as I want to be able to put the bike back to stock someday. Just ordered some 10” z’s. Looking at different muffler set ups. I’ll post up some pics of the progress as I go. Thanks for the help guys, SAVAGEJD |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/07/18 at 22:32:26 Dave said DO NOT" use any kind of racing compound on the street. They don't stick well until you get them warmed up, and on public roads you are not working them hard enough to keep them warm. He meant to say DO NOT" use any kind of racing compound on the street. They don't stick well until you get them warmed up, and on public roads you will go to JAIL before you are working them hard enough to keep them warm. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/07/18 at 22:34:30 Yeah, I don’t see why anyone would put racing tires on for street use. I like the old school look with lots of tread and white walls. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/08/18 at 09:34:47 Morning every one. Woke up and had an idea. I want to be able to mount a rear fender to the swing arm. I want to achieve this without welding on the bike itself. I’m thinking about making a U bolt style bracket that simply clamps around the swing arm. This would allow easy removal and easily be able to put the bike back stock. Let me know what you think or if this has been done already. Thanks!!! SAVAGEJD |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by GOF on 09/08/18 at 09:59:24 Maybe incorporate struts from the shock and peg mounts? |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/08/18 at 10:01:50 I was thinking struts from the axle. What gave me the idea was my truck camper top clamps. Would be nice to have a nice machines clamp with a small amount of rubber top and bottom that clamps over the swing arm. Then a T style bracket on one side to mount the fender. Making it a complete bolt on package. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by Dave on 09/08/18 at 10:33:46 The cross brace on the front of the swingarm (behind the pivot tube) would not be compromised by drilling a couple of small holes for mounting a bracket for the front of the fender. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/08/18 at 11:14:54 Dave, I thought about drilling and tapping some holes in the swing arm brace as well, but I don’t want to do anything that can’t be reversed easily. It would bug me that I drilled into it. I’m thinking of buying a spare swing arm off eBay and making some prototype brackets that can be put on without removing the tire. Talking to my buddy who runs a small machine shop and he is interested in the project. I wish I could bring these projects to my work like I used to when I worked for mom & pop shops. I’ll be keeping this updated as it’s something I definitely plan to tackle. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/08/18 at 17:44:18 Went to the local Harley shop and they gave me these two slip ons. Mounted the tapered one using the tin can method. Works great just need to find a smaller diameter clamp. The air mix screw was all the way tightened so you could say it was running lean! Backed it off 2 1/2 turns put this muffler on and it sounds amazing and actually quieter as well http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu16/Jweaver8061/AF0231E6-C0BD-4770-9A71-9F6E77A9C157_zpsttqyjaep.jpeg (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/Jweaver8061/media/AF0231E6-C0BD-4770-9A71-9F6E77A9C157_zpsttqyjaep.jpeg.html) |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/08/18 at 17:47:47 With it on. Took her for a spin and didn’t backfire once. Sounded smoother and quiet while cruising. Definitely an awesome and easy upgrade. http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu16/Jweaver8061/3555874E-35D9-49F7-992D-8426CBAC3064_zpsambhtt3a.jpeg (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/Jweaver8061/media/3555874E-35D9-49F7-992D-8426CBAC3064_zpsambhtt3a.jpeg.html) |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by verslagen1 on 09/08/18 at 18:51:50 heat shield should go on the outside. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/08/18 at 18:52:52 Yep, it is now just hadn’t adjusted it yet. It was too hot to touch after I ripped the throttle a little and rode down the block |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/11/18 at 10:52:46 Talked to my buddy and he said I could use his machine shop to make a bracket to mount a fender that bolts around the swing arm. So I’ll be designing this over the next few months. Going to be a slow process since I am working so much. On a better note, I think 10” zbars make this bike look 10x better. Just took it out and I would say it’s easier to lean into the corners like this. Quick note: don’t zip tie the throttle cable to the bars when turning it will put tension on the cable and make you go faster :D. Glad I noticed before test riding. Here’s a pic. http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu16/Jweaver8061/256815C3-82FF-4FBD-9DCF-BEDA033CE921_zps7wy4bzrk.jpeg (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/Jweaver8061/media/256815C3-82FF-4FBD-9DCF-BEDA033CE921_zps7wy4bzrk.jpeg.html) |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/11/18 at 11:04:02 And another one from the other side... 8-) http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu16/Jweaver8061/00061710-74FA-49F9-9619-0E5194D5A349_zps9xsvuahe.jpeg (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/Jweaver8061/media/00061710-74FA-49F9-9619-0E5194D5A349_zps9xsvuahe.jpeg.html) |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/13/18 at 15:51:42 Verslagen, Do you have any cam chain tensioners available? I tried to email you but I never heard back. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by verslagen1 on 09/13/18 at 18:47:00 oops, missed one... you got mail. If you neeeeeeed one, it's just a matter of time. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by Martin K on 09/15/18 at 01:37:25 Keep us updated on the rear-fender bracket. I've been thinking about how to mount one that doesn't involve too much permanent modification to the frame / swingarm. The axle doesn't seem long enough to add too much in-line with the wheel and spacers. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/15/18 at 01:41:03 If the axle isn’t long enough you could take the wheel spacers and grind down the amount that would be taken up from something else. Although I would imagine a rear fender bracket being mounted on the outside of the frame. I haven’t been able to start anything on the bracket. I just got home from working 3 days straight. Finally a day to relax. Just wish the weather would let me ride. It will be a long—long process getting this bracket made up, sadly. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 09/23/18 at 10:28:20 Finally got a chance to crack open the case and see how far gone the tensioner is. Well it’s done. 12k miles and it’s well past due. Verslavy! I need you!! http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu16/Jweaver8061/59D72DC5-8103-423F-85B3-B05A0E5F1CE1_zpsbfznvduj.jpeg (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/Jweaver8061/media/59D72DC5-8103-423F-85B3-B05A0E5F1CE1_zpsbfznvduj.jpeg.html) |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by Scotty on 09/27/18 at 13:45:53 The fender kit that Blue Collar Bobber makes, has a bracket that goes on the swing arm, just like you're suggesting... and they provide a longer axle to support the struts. I'm using the fender and bracket, but making a sissy bar in place of the struts. If you want, I can send you some pics of the bracket once I get home. It's a pretty simple design, but works like a champ. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 12/27/18 at 23:44:11 Got my Verslavvy installed today. Thank you verslagen for the hook up. Finally got to ride the bike again just for a bit after a new oil filter and oil change. http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu16/Jweaver8061/C9F165F8-797E-4796-9448-8A8A33E0CD51_zpshwflcjhz.jpeg (http://s629.photobucket.com/user/Jweaver8061/media/C9F165F8-797E-4796-9448-8A8A33E0CD51_zpshwflcjhz.jpeg.html) |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by kojones on 12/28/18 at 11:28:40 2D3E2928373A3C3E356A5B0 wrote:
If I remember correctly the DR750 has the same front hub as Savage, so that should fit. 21” alloy rim. The rear wheel fits, too. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by verslagen1 on 12/28/18 at 12:35:24 5A5E5B5E5F5442310 wrote:
If I remember correctly the DR750 has the same front hub as Savage, so that should fit. 21” alloy rim. The rear wheel fits, too.[/quote] According to the goldfren catalog, the brake discs are completely different, OD, ID, HD but thickness is close enough. So, it does not meet the bolt on requirement. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by Dave on 12/28/18 at 19:53:21 63676267666D7B080 wrote:
If I remember correctly the DR750 has the same front hub as Savage, so that should fit. 21” alloy rim. The rear wheel fits, too.[/quote] I don't remember the front wheel/hub being the same - but I do recall the DR750 having a rear hub/wheel assembly that could be used on the Savage. The problem in getting a rear wheel in the US - not many of that bike was sold here and you don't see a rear wheel come up for sale often. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by playhard67 on 12/29/18 at 15:31:13 Could you use the standard cables with the 10" Z Bars? Or, did you have to get extended cables? Are the handle bars 1" or 7/8"? |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 12/29/18 at 15:50:22 1” bars. You can put 10” zbars on if you had the clubman bars not the drag bars on your stock model. I had to grind the set pin on the hand controls that set it the stock bars down. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by playhard67 on 12/29/18 at 16:55:27 Thanks, I believe I have the drag bars. I guess I need to consider if I want the z bars bad enough to replace all the cables. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 12/30/18 at 14:05:39 I was reading through some threads and came across a thread referring to lowering the rear fender. The poster “Greg” said he needed to take the rear tire off to access the bolts. Couldn’t I achieve this but jacking up the bike and removing the shocks allowing the swing arm to tilt down enough for me to get to those bolts? |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by batman on 12/30/18 at 15:00:07 I don't think so, I think you'll find you need to use a socket and an extension and ratchet to reach into the fender, and won't be able to jack the bike high enough. You'll have to remove the rear wheel at some point to change tires, may as well view this as a training exercise. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by verslagen1 on 12/30/18 at 15:19:39 4577607771735C52160 wrote:
yes you can but it won't be easy. but I don't think you can put it back with the spacers. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by batman on 12/30/18 at 15:29:05 Are you going to longer shocks to allow enough room between the tire and fender, or are you looking to use a hardtail? |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 12/30/18 at 15:30:35 Just going to put spacers where the fender mounts. I’m able to reach all the bolts. Thinking of using something like door shims so I won’t have to completely remove the bolts. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 12/30/18 at 15:37:38 Not door shims but alignment shims like you would for control arms of a car. Something of that nature. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 12/30/18 at 16:04:44 Thinking I’m just going to remove the wheel. After some thought I would rather have the spacers be solid Incase vibrations might cause them to come out. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by batman on 12/30/18 at 16:05:44 That will create a gap between the two seats ,and only drop the fender about twice the thickness of the shim ,why bother?( no offense) |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 12/30/18 at 16:10:50 Just looks way better IMO. I plan on keeping the rear seat on as well. I didn’t think about the space between but I imagine I can fab a bracket that will locate the rear seat closer. If it ends up looking terrible I’ll go back. Not going to be riding anytime soon here way up north might as well sneak some tasteful mods in while I can’t ride. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by batman on 12/30/18 at 21:23:58 I don't think the gap will be that bad, and should only appear near the tops of the seats . I'd be careful that the gap between the tire and fender might become to small when hitting a large bump. |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 12/30/18 at 21:26:13 The purists on this page should be happy with what I’m doing. Usually I bust out the welder and custom everything. But, like I stated earlier this will be my woman’s bike. I’m just making it look “cool” [ch128514] |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by batman on 12/30/18 at 21:27:20 GO for IT! |
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Title: Re: My New Savage: The Build Post by SavageJD on 12/30/18 at 21:29:41 This is probably the 1,000th bike I’ve owned. And it’s 1/10 I own right now. I’m not unfinilar with anything but the actual model etc., and I want my girl to have all the safety that I’m fine with riding without but still maintain a cool vibe. |
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