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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/18 at 22:08:06

Title: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/18 at 22:08:06

If we see reports of chemical attack in Syria.
It's not Assad..

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/01/18 at 22:30:59

 
 Even if it was nobody would believe it.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/01/18 at 22:54:15

Because it would not make sense.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by thumperclone on 09/02/18 at 06:52:07

support for Assad makes no sense

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/02/18 at 07:47:14

 A lot of things in Syria, and global wartime conventions don't make sense.  They don't abide by our armchair, safe at home logic.

 Assad could use a chemical method of distribution under the guise of ISIS or Rebel personnel.  Rebel distribution could come under the guise of Syrian military.  Both options no matter how much sense could happen and that's why people who are actually over there don't use armchair logic.  I watched the border along Turkey blow up when I was out there and a lot of things happened that didn't make sense, that could have had "severe and immediate" consequences if you went through Congress, but none of those consequences materialized.

 Personally I don't think Assad is as afraid of US intervention as most people in the US think he is.  There's a lot of logistic leverage that exists among other things.  

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/18 at 12:46:09

Trump Stated
I want to pull out
Days later
Chemical attack
Blamed on Assad
We stayed
It's illogical for Assad to create a situation that keep an opponent in the fray.
Especially when he's winning.

Your position that Assad is not concerned about our involvement is based on what?

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/02/18 at 15:04:29

Not knowing, exactly who is who.
(My Crystal Ball is Broken)

I believe the Rebels did it,
Made it look like Assad did it.
To garner the US’s Support.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/18 at 15:28:56

The only reasonable conclusion

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/02/18 at 19:38:06

 Its great we don't have to be over, or even listen to the people there to know exactly what's going on these days.  

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/18 at 21:27:13

A reasonable conclusion based on the history and basic facts isn't exactly
Knowing perfectly,
But, it would be ridiculous to allow the media to point at Assad and rush to judgment.

Last time there was an attack the media said
Assad
I said
Bullshit
And was laughed at.
And correct.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/03/18 at 09:37:59


 If its ridiculous to rush to judgement when the media releases information why is it not ridiculous to rush to judgement prior to an event even happening?

 Why did we need facts from the actual area to prove Assad wasn't involved once, but not again?

 I assume when the media releases information pointing to a chemical attack by Assad we should look at the facts presented by people who are there.  Look at actual medical reports, lab results, videos, listen to personnel on the ground, send in inspection teams.

 But for the next event no need.  Assad didn't do it because it doesn't make sense.  No facts needed, no need to listen to anyone there, no need for video footage or lab results or an investigation.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/18 at 09:55:09


5A465B435E4B5C4D4241404B2E0 wrote:
support for Assad makes no sense


I don't know what it's like to be there.
I DO ,however, remember the
Arab spring,
The constant lies about Libya and what a brutal dictator ruled those people.
And you don't seem to grasp what it means that
Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, and others were all listed as future targets shortly after 9/11.
WE are meddling in the country and have no business being there.


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/03/18 at 10:06:23


"WE are meddling in the country and have no business being there."

 I agree.  I also think its easier, way easier, to say we are going to invade 4 separate countries than it is to actually do it by a landslide.

 I do not agree that because Assad didn't use chemical weapons one time, means he will not ever and that we can conclusively say he will not because it makes no sense logically from where we sit, safe at home.

 I feel it would make equal sense for Assad, who has considerable resources there, to stage a rebel chemical attack.  Why is it unreasonable for Rebels to stage Syrian Army attacks but not the other way around?  If Assad has the resources to commit an act then that act must be considered reasonable, any other logic on the battlefield gets you killed.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/18 at 10:09:49

Follow the reasoning

Assad is winning
Trump has STATED that he wants to bring Americans out of there.
And
Warned Assad
If you use chemicals
We stay.

Now, would you do exactly what keeps the world's largest military in your house?

Pay attention to WHEN we were told about the countries we would invade.
We were in Iraq
WMDs.
Nope..
Libya
All lies.
Vietnam
Lies again.

Really, it's time to stop believing and study.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/03/18 at 14:00:35

 Is it possible that Assad can use chemical weapons?

 Is it possible that Assad can make it look like Rebels used them, just like the Rebels did when they used stolen Syrian Army supplies?

 If either of those are yes, then nobody that's in that actual environment will say that Assad will not use chemical weapons.  If its possible, then its an option, that's it.  No amount of politics across at home, no amount of pre-incident indicators, no amount of compiled evidence from past events, no amount of US threats changes that.

 Assad can use chemical weapons.  It would be an absolute tactical atrocity to pull chemical weapons protocols from the region because Assad doesn't want the US there.  That is what you would do if we knew Assad will not use those weapons.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/18 at 14:07:20

It's possible to shove your hand into the garage disposal.
But it's stupid.
Likely, most reasonable behavior?
He won't.
A false flag, in Order to create support for us to stay is more likely.

And
Considering the lies that have been used to get Americans to support military adventure are well known.
Where would you put your money?

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/03/18 at 14:19:43

 US forces are not using chemical weapons on themselves, they could but it would be stupid.  Just like garbage disposals, but the concern isn't what US personnel is doing to themselves.

 The concern is what is possible.  Possible is how severe consequence utilization is assessed, not probable.  

 Is it possible that Assad could use chemical weapons in the same way Rebels did?

 Yes or No?

 If yes use NBC protocols, if no then don't.  

 Is it probable that Assad could use chemical weapons in the same way Rebels did?

 If yes use NBC protocols, of no still use NBC protocols.

 I in no way would put my money on probability if the possibility means the death of US personnel.  If I used probability logic and mainstream media when I'm overseas I'd be dead in no time.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/03/18 at 14:53:16

Well, Assad did it.

Rebels did it, to make it look like Assad did it.

Assad did it, to make it look like the Rebels did it, while blaming Assad.

Rebels did it, to make it look like Assad did it, in a way that would blame the Rebels, who would say Assad did it.

Sounds a lot like paying Poker LOL

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/18 at 15:00:48

Chemicals get used
Assad loses.
Or do you people not remember the last time?

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/03/18 at 16:46:50

 Chemicals get used.  So if you are in that area, not here safe at home, do you leave your NBC gear because Assad won't use them?  Or do you take your NBC gear because Assad could use them?

 One method you live, the other you die, or get maimed.

 That's why keyboard logic isn't used in the environment exposed to the risk.  That is also why people who make decisions don't use keyboard logic as its their responsibility to keep people from unneeded risk.  

 It doesn't matter to anyone on the ground if Assad is afraid of US intervention or not.  If he is capable you use that parameter, no matter if it makes sense for him or not.

 If Rebels can make it look like Syrian Army conducted a chemical exposure, then its possible that Syrian Army can make it look like Rebels did it.  The possibility exists because Assad has an Army, and Chemical weapons.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/18 at 18:40:13

What is the gain for Assad?
He is winning NOW.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/03/18 at 20:14:10

"What is the gain for Assad?"

 I don't know.  When I am over there I do not care, because its me that will die if I listen to people who want to use probability over possibility.

 What I do know is that if he has the possibility you don't pretend he doesn't if you want to increase your chances of survival.  You don't terminate NBC protocol unless the opposition can not, as in incapable of, utilizing chemical agent.

 Assad has chemical weapons, he has an Army, he can use chemical weapons.  Its easy for you to say it won't happen because you wont die if he does.  

 Its possible that Assad can use chemical agent and blame it on Rebels because he has chemical weapons.  

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by LostArtist on 09/04/18 at 10:27:43


293630372A2D1C2C1C24363A71430 wrote:
The only reasonable conclusion



the only reasonable conclusion is a conspiracy by the rebels to frame Assad...  

okay then....... if you say so, it must be so....   ::)


it couldn't be simple human behavior of getting mad and reacting irrationally for revenge.. to teach them rebels a lesson...  nah, he'd be too smart for that...  

I don't know what's happening over there, and yeah, your option is possible, but it's far from the only possiblity

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 12:15:34


42617D7A4F7C7A677D7A0E0 wrote:
" ...okay then....... if you say so, it must be so....   ::)..."

So then everything tt says,
…  it must be so ….

(In a Announcer Voice)
This Drive By Brought to you by MnSpring Inc.
Sponsored by Ttlosteds, the proud makers of,
‘Lie-o-spin’, the ONLY perfect way,
to make everything you say,
sound like the truth.




Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 12:26:03


15360B282A31363F580 wrote:
[quote author=42617D7A4F7C7A677D7A0E0 link=1535864886/15#22 date=1536082063]" ...okay then....... if you say so, it must be so....   ::)..."

So then everything tt says,
…  it must be so ….

(In a Announcer Voice)
This Drive By Brought to you by MnSpring Inc.
Sponsored by Ttlosteds, the proud makers of,
‘Lie-o-spin’, the ONLY perfect way,
to make everything you say,
sound like the truth.

[/quote]

Wow mn!  I'm honored that I'm always on your mind.  So much so that in a thread that I haven't posted in, you feel the need to call me out.

Bless your heart.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 12:41:06


223C33323F223924560 wrote:
 Bless your heart.

See here we have two threads,
and two posts from you,
saying:  “…Bless your heart….”

Exactly what is a, ‘blessing’,
from someone,
who, repeatedly says they are, ‘Agnostic’ ?


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 12:44:20


52714C6F6D7671781F0 wrote:
[quote author=223C33323F223924560 link=1535864886/15#24 date=1536089163]  Bless your heart.

See here we have two threads,
and two posts from you,
saying:  “…Bless your heart….”

Exactly what is a, ‘blessing’,
from someone,
who, repeatedly says they are, ‘Agnostic’ ?
[/quote]

Well mn, I'll just say this.

Bless your heart.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 13:01:35


746A656469746F72000 wrote:
 Well mn, I'll just say this.
Bless your heart.

What/Where is your answer ?

Again, one side of your mouth you say:  ‘…Bless your heart…”
(Which blessing someone indicates a belief in a God/Deity)

Then the other side of your mouth you say:
you are,  ‘Agnostic’

Which Is It ?

(In a Announcer Voice)
This Drive By Brought to you by MnSpring Inc.
Sponsored by, Ttlosteds,
the Proud makers of
the Crystal clear Snowflake coating.
Which totally protects you,
when you are standing in the street crying.
(Or Lying)


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 13:09:22


1734092A2833343D5A0 wrote:
[quote author=746A656469746F72000 link=1535864886/15#26 date=1536090260]  Well mn, I'll just say this.
Bless your heart.

What/Where is your answer ?

Again, one side of your mouth you say:  ‘…Bless your heart…”
(Which blessing someone indicates a belief in a God/Deity)

Then the other side of your mouth you say:
you are,  ‘Agnostic’

Which Is It ?

(In a Announcer Voice)
This Drive By Brought to you by MnSpring Inc.
Sponsored by, Ttlosteds,
the Proud makers of
the Crystal clear Snowflake coating.
Which totally protects you,
when you are standing in the street crying.
(Or Lying)

[/quote]

The answer lies within you mn.  Look deep inside yourself.  Way down deep.

If that doesn't work, then just ignore the blessing.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 13:15:17


647A757479647F62100 wrote:
"...If that doesn't work, then just ignore the blessing.

I Believe the question was,
Why do you talk out of both sides of your mouth ?

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 13:18:41


7F5C6142405B5C55320 wrote:
[quote author=647A757479647F62100 link=1535864886/15#28 date=1536091762] "...If that doesn't work, then just ignore the blessing.

I Believe the question was,
Why do you talk out of both sides of your mouth ?
[/quote]


I believe I responded with "Bless your heart".

Now, try not to get frustrated mn.  Either take the blessing or ignore it.  That's up to you.

(are you seeing a trend here?)

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/04/18 at 13:19:49

Now - as not to hijack a thread (something I myself despise) - I won't be responding to you on this one anymore mn.

Out of respect to the OP.


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/04/18 at 13:26:32


504E41404D504B56240 wrote:
I won't be responding to you

Why do you refuse to answer questions ?

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by faffi on 09/04/18 at 14:35:52


7655684B4952555C3B0 wrote:
[quote author=504E41404D504B56240 link=1535864886/30#31 date=1536092389] I won't be responding to you

Why do you refuse to answer questions ?
[/quote]


You are like that annoying child that never stop nagging, regardless of how many explanations you're getting ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/04/18 at 14:37:22


 I'm still waiting for answers to my questions, but I think its a one way street.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/18 at 19:09:31

From whom?

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/04/18 at 19:59:57

"From whom?"

 MnSpring, but in another thread.  I'm not really waiting, I don't care I just find it interesting when we can be selective in what we want to answer but get upset when other people do the exact same thing.

 Kind of like how you don't reply to every thread on here you read but get upset if people read and don't respond to certain ones of yours.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/04/18 at 23:13:11

Yeah, e, imadikk

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/05/18 at 14:58:34


5676747C6176130 wrote:
"From whom?"
 MnSpring, but in another thread. ..."


I remember a time, when you first started posting here, and I was talking about Solar.
Not dishing Solar, but the way obama encouraged  substandard out of date panels, and gave away, your money to do it.
I remember sending you places, ariel photos, GPS coordinates, County Records on ownership, and the links associated with it.
I remember you acknowledging it.
And I remember, you telling me, (something to the effect), you lacked the funds to go further.

So why bother answering you, I don’t have the Funds.


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/05/18 at 15:24:56

 Are you asking why you should answer a question because I didn't pay more money to look into a question I wanted an answer to?

 I sent you a pm thanking you for the information and outlining that I looked into the information you sent me and that I could not find any company that filed five consecutive bankruptcies that was associated with those lot numbers.

 How much money do you think I should allocate to find something that may or may not exist, and that you did not want information on?

 And for that matter how much money do you spend answering a question on this forum, and why does it cost you?  Office of the Minnesota Secretary Of State charges me for the information I needed, how much are we charging you?

 It is clear that you pay nothing to answer a question on here, and that you simply choose not to answer certain questions on here even though you don't appear to be as flexible when other on here do the same to you.  That's ok though, its not against the rules, it hurts no one so keep at it.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/05/18 at 16:03:06


527270786572170 wrote:
"...How much money do you think I should allocate to find something that may or may not exist?..."

Don’t care. Never have, never will.
You care, because you ask for it !  (Or is their another reason ?)
I spent the time and research into something that is in my Back Yard, and you don’t believe it.
I KNOW  the Answer, but you asked for the Information, I gave it to you.
Because you did NOT find what I found, with just a surface scan, and no, ‘research’, you believe it is not valid.

"...And for that matter how much money do you spend answering a question on this forum, and why does it cost you? ..."  

Well it costs me time, and I do  answer ‘VALID”  questions,
Not, TROLL,  Questions like:
Statement: “I Believe Standing in the Street and Crying, Looting, Burning, Steeling, Destroying, Shouting Death threats, are not right”
A TROLL's  Question: “Why are you anti 1st Amendment”.


"... how much money do you spend answering a question on this forum..."

I am seeing, from your posts, that you have other people reading these posts, replying to these posts, in various forms of your words to these posts. That, would cost you, a LOT more money then anyone else here.
If you cannot understand the answer, here it is, more plainly.
I only spend my, 'time', answering/posting, when it is not raining, to hot, no lawn to mow, no fish to catch, No MC to ride, to ICE, (Internal Combustion Engine) to fix, etc..etc..etc.


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/05/18 at 16:58:07

"I am seeing, from your posts, that you have other people reading these posts, replying to these posts, in various forms of your words to these posts."

 I do not have people post "in various forms of my words" on my behalf.  You have ignored explanations of this.

 I even have notated at the bottom of my posts when this happens and that the words are transcribed verbatim that I verify through audio playback.  You can say all day that I have other people respond but this is incorrect, I respond, sometimes somebody else types it, then it is verified accurate.  Most of my posts show "edited" as I immediately correct any discrepancies.

"I spent the time and research into something that is in my Back Yard, and you don’t believe it.
I KNOW  the Answer, but you asked for the Information, I gave it to you.
Because you did NOT find what I found, with just a surface scan, and no, ‘research’, you believe it is not valid."


 I can not find information that verifies that the same company has filed bankruptcy 5 times consecutively, if you have that information please share it.  You did not provide this information.

 The Office of the Minnesota Secretary Of State among other resources did not have 5 separate bankruptcies from any of the sources you cited.  Aurora Land Holdings LLC did have some suspect activities but I can not find 5 consecutive bankruptcies.  Contacting state records, each company and paying for state filings is not something I would consider a "surface scan" but I can agree it is not exactly "research" as I did not spend more than a few months digging into it.  I would consider Googling a topic and pasting a link to be a surface scan.

 In the thread I was referring to I was asking you why you did not add the pro-gun statements in a transcript to the overall numbers of commenting individuals.  I would not consider that a "Troll" question as I actually wanted to know your answer.  My math was different than yours, I would like to see why.

 

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 06:33:18

"I KNOW  the Answer, but you asked for the Information, I gave it to you."

 I assume that even though you "KNOW" that a solar company in your backyard has filed 5 bankruptcies you are unwilling to provide that information.

 Maybe lack of funding is the issue, I am willing to pay you for that information.  Part up front, the rest once its delivered and verified.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/11/18 at 07:42:01


7555575F4255300 wrote:
"...you are unwilling to provide that information..."

Anybody following the, ’solar’ thread,
knows what, ‘spin’ this statement is.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 07:48:56

 What spin?

 You said you know of solar companies that filed 5 bankruptcies.  

 What companies?

 That's hard to take any other way.


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/11/18 at 07:57:21


0D2D2F273A2D480 wrote:
 "... What companies? ..." 

Let's see, I sent you the information,
You stated you received it,
You stated you needed more 'funds' to do more research.

No need to do that work again.
Just don't have the, 'funds', to do any more work for you.

Keep working on that idea of yours, that the the 2nd amendment is outdated, and needs to be re-written.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 08:06:45

 You did not send me information on companies that have filed 5 bankruptcies, you sent me physical lot information, locations and public record tax holding names.

 I also did not say I do not have the funds, I said I am not allocating more to an investigation that is leading nowhere.  None of those companies have filed 5 bankruptcies.

 You "KNOW" one of them did, but you will not provide that information, or so you claim.  I will pay you for this information.

 This is what you sent me, please feel free to share how you used that information to find 5 bankruptcies from a single company, or feel free to hide behind the "funds" diversion:

Carver County,  Minnesota.
https://gis.co.carver.mn.us/publicparcel/
These are just 3 of the (PID), Parcel Identification Numbers,
of the ones within, 5 miles of where I live.

Parcel ID: 110010800
Sold in  1/15/2016  for1,400.00.00  Worth 60,000 in land, and  IF, it has a Building Eligible, (Don’t know if it does, that may have been sold off), then add 40 -50,000.00
This one, is the biggest, Which has started and stopped,  SEVERAL  Times.
It is recorded on Google Maps,  (Waconia Farms)
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.7938399,-93.9003786,1122m/data=!3m1!1e3
Here is the one, which, ’Started’, then ’Stopped’, 5 times, in 5 years?
Now owned by:
Taxpayer:      AURORA LAND HOLDINGS LLC
Taxpayer 2:      C/O ENEL GREEN POWER NORTH AME
Taxpayer Address:      ONE TECH DR STE 220
                       ANDOVER, MA 01810-2452


Parcel ID: 090180230
Sold in  3/30/2016  for 230.000.00, When it is only worth, 30-40,000.00
( NO  Building Eligibility, Low Ground,Tile running through center, and about 5,000 a year in rent for farm ground.)
 IF, a  Neighbor farmer rented it.  Otherwise it is to SMALL!
This one is Now, Just a Field of Weeds.
When It, ’started’,  the field was marked with flags as to where the tile lines were.
Then  Posts were driven into the ground, by new trucks and equipment.
Then it wintered over, with nothing but the posts in the ground.
Then the next year, a Bobcat, and a old dump truck, pulled out the posts.
This year, Just a  Field of Weeds.
MAP: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8616653,-93.8854811,579m/data=!3m1!1e3
The  Brown square in the center.
(The  Woods to the North, is where I deer hunt)
Taxpayer      FOUNDERS FARMS LLC
Taxpayer Address      345 ST PETER ST 16TH FLOOR  
SAINT PAUL, MN 55102-1211

Parcel ID: 097300050
Sold on 11/2/2015
This one, started early this summer, with  50+  Semi Belly Dump trucks, going by EVERY  DAY, for 3 weeks, on the Co. road that fronts my property.  I drove down the little gravel TWP road a month ago.  There was a earthen berm, at least 20’  High, and at least 800’ long.
Not on Google maps yet.
Map:  https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8647578,-93.8606228,565m/data=!3m1!1e3
The land is, Just S  of, ‘Porter Way’, N of, ‘Rutz Lake Rd’  It is the ‘Field’.
The Berm, on the S side of, ‘Porter Way’.   Starting at the, ‘bend’, going  NE to the end of it.
(Which is Not a  ‘Public’ road, but a  Private one)
It lists ownership as, SUNNY ACRES LLC.
Which was once, (not long ago), owned by:
Taxpayer      MARYANN PORTER REV TRUST                
Taxpayer 2      MARYANN PORTER TRUSTEE    
(As the three adjacent lake lots just to the N)
She is recently Divorced. She is the person, who started the, foil/mylar, balloons.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/11/18 at 08:08:12

MN - caught in a lie.

Just apologize and leave it at that mn.

Bless your heart.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/11/18 at 08:20:20


293738393429322F5D0 wrote:
MN - caught in a lie.  Just apologize and leave it at that mn.  Bless your heart.


Na, just clear that someone does not want to use personal, 'funds', to keep digging. through the, 'shell' Companies, and the people that own the shell, of the shell, of the shell, etc, Companies.

And no need to respond, to a Trolls, 'Spin'.





Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/11/18 at 08:42:03


183B0625273C3B32550 wrote:
[quote author=293738393429322F5D0 link=1535864886/45#47 date=1536678492]MN - caught in a lie.  Just apologize and leave it at that mn.  Bless your heart.


Na, just clear that someone does not want to use personal, 'funds', to keep digging. through the, 'shell' Companies, and the people that own the shell, of the shell, of the shell, etc, Companies.

And no need to respond, to a Trolls, 'Spin'.
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Hmm, do you think that no one on here can read mn?  We saw the thread.

Eegore, of all people, is the last person you should try to lie to.

He and I disagree on a few things, but I know that his knowledge is sound.  I respect his diligence and I saw first hand how he tried to pursue your claim of bankrupt solar companies.

He bested you mn, plain and simple.  Not that it's tough to do, but he did in plain sight.

So yeah, run away.

Bless your heart.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/11/18 at 08:55:13


372926272A372C31430 wrote:
So yeah, run away.


Can you tell me, how you do it.
That way I could possibly do it better.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/11/18 at 08:56:11


60437E5D5F44434A2D0 wrote:
[quote author=372926272A372C31430 link=1535864886/45#49 date=1536680523]So yeah, run away.


Can you tell me, how you do it.
That way I could possibly do it better.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I never run from a challenge mn, you should know that.

Bless your heart.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 09:14:33


 Its not about "besting" anybody, nobody cares here who's right or wrong.

 I think the bottom line is that there is a difference in how I define "KNOW" and how MN does.  I believe that when someone says they know something they can provide proof.  MN must not share this definition which explains the diversions (funds, spin, shells) instead of just saying he believes, or thinks a company filed bankruptcy 5 times.

 I do believe he thinks they have filed five separate bankruptcies, but has no proof.  

 I stand by my position, I will pay for this information as it is useful to me.  


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/11/18 at 09:22:05


4F6F6D65786F0A0 wrote:
 Its not about "besting" anybody, nobody cares here who's right or wrong.

 I think the bottom line is that there is a difference in how I define "KNOW" and how MN does.  I believe that when someone says they know something they can provide proof.  MN must not share this definition which explains the diversions (funds, spin, shells) instead of just saying he believes, or thinks a company filed bankruptcy 5 times.

 I do believe he thinks they have filed five separate bankruptcies, but has no proof.  

 I stand by my position, I will pay for this information as it is useful to me.  


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Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Serowbot on 09/11/18 at 09:28:30

The proof is in the Google Map...   :-/

My proof is a great chili recipe... ;D

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/11/18 at 10:01:53


7656545C4156330 wrote:
  Its not about "besting" anybody, nobody cares here who's right or wrong. ..."

Well you and I have very different, ‘Moral Compasses’.

You believe the 2nd is flawed and should be re-written
I do not.
You believe it is perfectly all right to say nothing to a person, at his/her party, when they use a firearm in a, inappropriate way.
I do not.
You believe it is OK, to place ’no parking’, cones in front of a restaurant, so you have a close place to park when the place is open.
I do not.
So to illustrate the, ’Solar’ thing.
First person, goes through a patch of woods.
Second person says:  “I want to go through the woods like you do, teach me”.
First person says: “Then get started”
Second person says: “ No, Tell me, which log to jump over, which log to go around. Which stream to ford, where to ford that stream”.

"... I stand by my position, I will pay for this information as it is useful to me..."

Rather simple.  I do not believe the above statement you made.
Just the same as you do not believe the statements I made.





Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 10:09:05

 More diversion.  Illustrate all day but this is very simple: If you have proof offer it, I will pay you.

 Actually I will pay you 15% up front, $150 USD.  The rest when you provide verified proof.

 Provide me an address and I will send the money immediately.  This is literally cash just for sticking to your guns and not admitting you can't provide proof, I am ok with that.

"You believe it is OK, to place ’no parking’, cones in front of a restaurant, so you have a close place to park when the place is open."

 I do not believe it is ok, I believe it is a crime, as I have always stated.  I no longer do this, it stopped being funny when I was 19.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/11/18 at 10:33:16


1C3F022123383F36510 wrote:
[quote author=2505070F1205600 link=1535864886/45#56 date=1536685745]   Actually I will pay you 15% up front, $150 USD.  The rest when you provide verified proof

I get  offers of money, from Prince, Ammoju Neamomie Kafadaoughi, from Nairobi. Who says he will send me money only if I give him a place to sent it to. (Haven’t done it yet, but 3 million dollars is very tempting)

But that’s not like the time, a grand Niece, called me from Colorado, saying she was in a car accident, and need me to wire her some money right away.  (Very lucky she did not know her mothers maiden name)

Then their was this very petty, and young, girl from Russia. Who said she saw my photo on FB, and is really into older, mature men.  (Lucky for her, I’m not into young, immature women)
The list goes on, think you get the point.

If someone here, has not heard this before,
it is something I heard a Long time ago:
“ I was Born at night,  Just not LAST Night"

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Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 10:38:03


 More diversion.  

 Your examples are people asking FOR money, I am offering to SEND money, without you doing anything more than posting your proof of 5 bankruptcies here on this forum.

You already have the proof or so you claim, so you are not being asked to do anything more than post it here.  

 I am offering to send you $150 now, you don't need to do anything at all.  If it makes it easier I can send the money to someone you trust on here, maybe Dave or JoG will take it, verify it exists and is real and send it to you.  

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by faffi on 09/11/18 at 14:45:27

It is - thankfully - very rare to see people willingly display their utter ignorance and simply total lack of common sense the way MnSpring does.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/11/18 at 14:48:19


3F383F3F30590 wrote:
It is - thankfully - very rare to see people willingly display their utter ignorance and simply total lack of common sense the way MnSpring does.



True.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by thumperclone on 09/11/18 at 15:15:54


0601060609600 wrote:
It is - thankfully - very rare to see people willingly display their utter ignorance and simply total lack of common sense the way MnSpring does.


true
beware you don't get pulled into the pig  sty of personal attacks
the right wingers occupy

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 16:01:37


 Just for the record I have no personal opinion about MN, or any of you.

 In CO where I live there's ample information about corruption and misuse of allocated funding regarding solar renewable energy incentives.  I could use the information MN indicates he has and that is why I have spent this time in this thread and offered payment for the information.  5 bankruptcies from any one company, especially related to solar is beneficial for my research.

 That being said one of my coworkers asked "So if this guy comes up with information 13 years from now you are going to mail him $850?" and so I think one week is enough time to mull it over and make a decision.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/11/18 at 16:38:05


59797B736E791C0 wrote:
  Just for the record I have no personal opinion about MN, or any of you.  In CO where I live there's ample information about corruption and misuse of allocated funding regarding solar renewable energy incentives.  I could use the information MN indicates he has and that is why I have spent this time in this thread and offered payment for the information.  5 bankruptcies from any one company, especially related to solar is beneficial for my research.  That being said one of my coworkers asked "So if this guy comes up with information 13 years from now you are going to mail him $850?" and so I think one week is enough time to mull it over and make a decision.


If, you are really after, “…information about corruption and misuse of allocated funding regarding solar…”
(Which I highly Doubt)
Because,   $1,000.00  is a whole lot more, than it would cost you to do a little keyboard time.
Especially, with the sophisticated computers, software, and staff,  you say you have.

Yep, I was born at night, just not LAST NIGHT.


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 16:56:08

 It will cost me more than $1000 as I am not sitting around doing this myself.

 You can feel free at any time to stop criticizing me (even more diversion) and post the information you already have.  

 Its getting more clear that you do not possess this information, which is fine.  You can still have the $150 delivered to you in any way you feel is trustworthy and convenient for you, and the rest once you do what you said you were capable of.

 Its very simple, post your information, or don't.  No need for further diversion.


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/11/18 at 17:06:24


1434363E2334510 wrote:
   Its getting more clear that you do not possess this information,


Fine, that's what you believe, that's what you believe.

OH,  

Bless your heart



Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 17:07:52

I think I remember you on here saying something before:

"Ya know, years ago, remember a saying,
"Put up or .... .."  Do you remember that last part ?"


http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1530190813/15#15


 If you possess the information post it.  My credibility should have nothing to do with your ability to share information for substantial profit.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/11/18 at 17:13:12

Yep, which referenced information, a person named, Eegore said he would.

Amazing, change in your personality on line, from,
just a couple of posts ago.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/11/18 at 19:25:12

"Amazing, change in your personality on line, from,
just a couple of posts ago. "
 More diversion.

 I provided the information you wanted.  I offered to let you work directly with the people involved in securing and distributing the information, which you declined.

 The difference here being that I actually provided the information you wanted to see.

 You are claiming you already have the information.  Why not share if it further proves your own assessment of the solar situation in your area?  What do you have to gain by withholding information?

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by faffi on 09/12/18 at 06:45:33


7C5F624143585F56310 wrote:
[quote author=1434363E2334510 link=1535864886/60#64 date=1536710168]    Its getting more clear that you do not possess this information,


Fine, that's what you believe, that's what you believe.




[/quote]


What we probably all know is that you are either unwilling or unable to provide the documentation. If you are unwilling, bringing it up in the first place was rather silly. If you are unable, it would be far better to admit it rather than continuing posting gibberish. Simply, you are wasting our time. That's my personal inflation-deflated two cents on the matter.

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by MnSpring on 09/12/18 at 18:04:55


7C7B7C7C731A0 wrote:
What we probably all know is that you are either unwilling or unable to provide the documentation.
Guess ya missed it, where I said,  'don't care what you think'.

The, '... we probably all know..."  ,
is as worthwhile as pile of warm feline excrement in the sand.
 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

"...Simply, you are wasting our time..."
LOL,  I would say, you, are wasting, Your  time,
by responding.   LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I’ll be leaving for a while, will have a laptop with me,
Not going to, waste, my time, responding to ’troll’ posts when I am on the road.
(Heading to N.D. to find some Ocean Front Lots for tt)
When I am home, in my office, it is entertainment,
to foil with a Troll.

So Have at it

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/12/18 at 18:16:16


73506D4E4C5750593E0 wrote:
[quote author=7C7B7C7C731A0 link=1535864886/60#69 date=1536759933]What we probably all know is that you are either unwilling or unable to provide the documentation.
Guess ya missed it, where I said,  'don't care what you think'.

The, '... we probably all know..."  ,
is as worthwhile as pile of warm feline excrement in the sand.
 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

"...Simply, you are wasting our time..."
LOL,  I would say, you, are wasting, Your  time,
by responding.   LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I’ll be leaving for a while, will have a laptop with me,
Not going to, waste, my time, responding to ’troll’ posts when I am on the road.
(Heading to N.D. to find some Ocean Front Lots for tt)
When I am home, in my office, it is entertainment,
to foil with a Troll.

So Have at it

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


[/quote]




Thank goodness
'Bye


Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/19/18 at 06:46:18


 Yesterday was the deadline for providing the claimed information showing proof of 5 bankruptcies from a single solar entity in MN that I was willing to pay $850 for.  These funds will instead be donated to various charities, documented and available for review at anyone's request.  Lancer will receive $100 for his charity run:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1537296623

 I am still willing to send the $150 to anyone willing to verify it and get it to MnSpring.  

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by T And T Garage on 09/19/18 at 08:10:25


426260687562070 wrote:
 Yesterday was the deadline for providing the claimed information showing proof of 5 bankruptcies from a single solar entity in MN that I was willing to pay $850 for.  These funds will instead be donated to various charities, documented and available for review at anyone's request.  Lancer will receive $100 for his charity run:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1537296623

 I am still willing to send the $150 to anyone willing to verify it and get it to MnSpring.  


OK, not to blow up your ego too much - but you stand high above us Eegore.

Good on you!

Title: Re: Don't be surprised
Post by Eegore on 09/19/18 at 08:27:20


 If my head gets any bigger I won't be able to wear a helmet at all.

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