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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Old dog new forum /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1535602140 Message started by Dadyo on 08/29/18 at 21:09:00 |
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Title: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 08/29/18 at 21:09:00 My name is Dale I have a 96 Savage that runs well but has seen better days. I am going to be rebuilding/chopping this winter. Tanks for any and all info, input and advice in advance. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by batman on 08/29/18 at 21:27:26 Welcome , I'd advise you to ride it a bit and see what bugs you the most before starting your rebuild. You might read through the Tech Section about the Petcock , cam chain tensioner ,loose front belt drive pulley , proper oil, and proper Idle speed setting, to avoid damage to the bike . It would be good to tell us your elevation above sea level and the mileage on your bike if you need us to advise. there's a world of knowledge here and it's free for the asking. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 08/29/18 at 21:40:05 Hello again I should have provided more info about myself and my bike. Here we go. I am a long time Rider and have built many bikes including HD by by.triump.suzuki.kawasaki I have a 96 stock Savage with 26817 mi it has never been worked on at all from what I can tell. It runs well and starts every time. This is my first Savage and I'm going need some tech help. One thing I would like to add is an oil cooler. Has anyone done this before? |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by batman on 08/29/18 at 22:05:12 Well first It's way past the mileage were the cam chain tensioner should be checked(15-18000), it's internal ,inside the right (clutch) cover. It could extend so far that it comes apart and does some real damage . I don't believe you can run an oil cooler on this bike , it has to be idled at LEAST 1000 rpm just to maintain about 5 psi of oil pressure to the valve train, and we don't even idle the bike while on the side stand ,because it starves the bearing on the uphill end of the cam. A cooler is not needed ,the bike runs about 270F to 300F at the most . We use Rotella T-4 (dino) or Rotella T-6 (syn) both diesel oils because they still contain 1200 ppm ZDDP needed for are older designed valve train . (It was taken out of/or reduced in car oils some year back) these oils are good for 350F & 500F respectively . |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 08/29/18 at 22:08:35 Hey Batman thanks for the advice. I'm new to forums and almost computer illiterate, it's a miracle I got this far. I have had this bike for 3 yrs now, did basic maintenance on it. It was fun as is and reliable, but it's time to go through the motor for most of the things you listed. While doing that I want some power mods, improve handleing, traction and be able to ride more than a few hours without worrying about over heating. By the way I live in Central Missouri, not sure what the elevation is. Thanks again |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by batman on 08/29/18 at 22:17:44 Look up members Verslagen,and Lancer for custom Tensioners(that double your cam chain life) and high compression pistons/cams / and carbs .see them in the Marketplace. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dave on 08/30/18 at 09:42:18 10353831626D626D540 wrote:
You will not overheat this bike by riding it. I have ridden on a lot of 90 - 100 degree days and I have a head temperature gauge.....no problems while under motion. The only time the bike can get really hot is when you get stuck in a traffic jam - and a cooler likely isn't going to help you much there as the same lack of air flow that isn't cooling the engine isn't going through the cooler as well. Just ride the darn thing and don't worry about it getting too hot - use Shell Rotella synthetic oil...and just ride! If you want to worry.....install a head temperature gauge and you can see when the head temp goes up to 300.....only once has my bike ever been that hot (downtown Gatlinburg traffic jam on a 95 degree day). https://www.trailtech.net/tto-1 |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/18 at 10:05:03 There are horsepower mods and pulley swaps to get rpms down. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/02/18 at 04:45:25 Thank for the info on the oil. I've all ways run Castrol 20/50, in all my 4 strokers,this is my first big single so learning. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by batman on 09/03/18 at 18:42:14 Do NOT run 20w 50 in this bike ,It will make the bike run hotter than the 15w40 or 5w -40 Rotella or any good 10w 40 motorcycle oil ( Verslagen ,has tested this ,in Southern CA.) |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/11/18 at 00:05:06 Got it thank it's due for top end tear down any way |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/18 at 00:29:24 Hominy miles on it? |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/11/18 at 03:41:21 26817 |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/11/18 at 03:48:02 I don't think it's ever had the covers off and she's rattling prity good up there. I pulling the motor, front end so I can get in basement for winter build anyway. Wish me luck! |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by batman on 09/11/18 at 15:00:07 I wouldn't run it until you check the cam chain tensioner! that's probably the noise you hearing, and these bike runn much longer than the 26000miles you have , One member went 150,000 miles before a rebuild. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/18 at 15:05:13 Cam chain stretches Tensioner extends Eventually comes apart Spring falls into gears Usually fatal Wouldn't start it until I looked in there. A modified tensioner available from Verslagen solves the problem. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/11/18 at 19:47:41 Great minds think alike. Today I got about half way through the tear down. The font end and motor mount bolts and into the man cave (basement with a manual bulk head door, and 5'6 ceiling! Lol!) Gonna go Through everything. A bunch of mods! Wish me luck lol! |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/18 at 21:19:33 WooHOO!! I've been upgraded from moron to Great Mind! Gonna have to be nice to this guy. (basement with a manual bulk head door, and 5'6 ceiling! Lol! Stand up and go through the ceiling, too. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/12/18 at 02:37:56 I'm 5'61\2" tall so not exactly through the cieling, but i seam to be having a lot of head aches latley! Lol |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dave on 09/12/18 at 04:39:48 5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
I aint' drinking that Kool Aid! |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by LANCER on 09/12/18 at 08:10:10 I'm in the 5'6-7" range, but some days feel like I'm about 5'5". Yea, I'm a headache too...just seems to be that way. ::) Have parts - Will (not necessarily) travel. ;D But I'm pretty good at shipping them ! :) Here's my toy. It started life as a '96 Savage, bumble bee yellow. I've changed it a wee bit. His name is REX 8-) http://https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2018/05/02/bikepics-2807430-984.jpg |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/12/18 at 12:09:18 Hey lancer, what r those rear shocks! Can I get some? And if so how much? |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/12/18 at 12:14:11 Also cool aid sucks! And I got no friends! Lol |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/12/18 at 12:27:45 What happens if u take out the large nut on the vary top of the fork tube? It's been bout 20 years but I seem to remember a large sping rite under it and no way to stop it from the jack in the box effect. Gotta get the ront end off so it fit into the man cave. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by verslagen1 on 09/12/18 at 12:40:29 It will only go up about a half inch or so. ;D |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/12/18 at 13:17:13 Thanks again |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dave on 09/12/18 at 15:08:29 716275746B6660626936070 wrote:
As long as you have the frame supported the spring only come out 1/2 inch - if you don't, the forks will drop and the spring will come out equal to the fall of the frame....as the spring is holding the bike up! |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/12/18 at 19:47:05 I after 2 days and a few new lumps on the on the ol noodle I finally have it in the man cave! I'll keep every one posted and probably drive crazy with questions. Thanks in advance! |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/13/18 at 05:15:59 While looking through the photo gallery I found a pic posted by BThompson. Can some one tell me how contact him or her ? I really like the front end. Id like some info on the bakini fairing. Thanks |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by verslagen1 on 09/13/18 at 08:49:31 He's no longer on the forum. It would be best to link the photo here then you can ask what you will. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/13/18 at 14:11:59 I would like to make a link , but I'm barely getting theese posts on. I am as close to compoooter illiterate as it gets. Any who the bike in question is white and has a mini fairing on it, almost like an old school cafe racer. I first saw one on an old Michael Douglas movie called black rain.that was a Sportster though. I really want one on this build. Thanks for any info you input. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by batman on 09/14/18 at 21:48:55 Emgo, viper or venom fairing ? but they seem to be set up for larger 7"headlights. |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/18 at 21:59:19 Can you copy and paste? |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by Dadyo on 09/15/18 at 02:58:35 Thank for info emigo. As for cut and paste I ate the glue. Lol |
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Title: Re: Old dog new forum Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/15/18 at 05:24:16 Lost the scissors, too? Dang, that is rough. |
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