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Title: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 08:57:47 The White Christian post was getting pretty long, so I will take the liberty of adding this by itself...... Some folks will never understand faith, they don't want to, period. They will argue against its possibilities, but they would be better off trying to grasp the wind in the hand. You can NOT understand, that of which you do NOT know....... I will explain it like this: Somewhere in this world exist the smartest man OB/GYN doctor. Through much study and practice, he is the BEST..... For all that knowledge, he still, will always remain ignorant, to what a illiterate, woman, in the darkest part of our world knows, and that is what life feels like, in a womb...... As a non believer, as SMART as you think you are, and you may very well be of EXTREMELY high IQ, you are ignorant to the fact of a loving God. Its like trying to navigate through life with none of your 5 senses..... If you want to see some biblical referencing, look at John 14, starting at verse 15. Other than that, ya all have a GREAT weekend ;D Hope its not too hot where you live! |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Serowbot on 07/13/18 at 09:50:20 Has it occurred to you, how much wilful ignorance is required, to believe in God?... Evolution, astronomy, biology, geology, carbon dating, and on and on... And all this, is based on belief in a God that has been determined by where in the world you were born more than any other factor. In a hundred years, Christ and Allah will be looked upon as much myths as Zeus, Odin, Isis, Horus, or Mithra.. Many of which, including Jesus share the same stories. Virgin birth, rise from the dead, the flood, healing the sick, restoring the blind, born on the solstice, died for your sins... All repeats of myths long before. So, what do you really believe in?... Pagan myth wrapped in a Jewish man... It is undeniable fact, that these myths pre-date Christ. So, do you believe because of, or in spite of these stories?... To believe the stories is Pagan,.. to disbelieve is sacrilege... ...to tell me I just can't possibly understand because I'm ignorant,... is delusional, false patronization... |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 10:38:55 Let’s try this question instead..... How would you prove faith? Can you answer all the riddles to the universe? |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Eegore on 07/13/18 at 10:45:17 I don't think you can prove faith. You can prove faith exists. I don't think anyone can answer all riddles. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 11:36:03 0727252D3027420 wrote:
I agree..... The only one who knows the answer is the one who test your faith. Everyone needs to answer their OWN questions and doubts. I try and not let what I DON’T KNOW, get in the way of what I do know. Is my understanding predicated on what, and how, others behave, believe? Am I offended and demand others to adnere to my beliefs, or I challenge them in a manner that removes their freedoms? Everyone needs to find their own sustainable belief.... |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/13/18 at 12:04:45 My father in law, a former fanatic priest, "know" that God exist and he "knows" that Jesus died for our sins. If not, he claims, there would be nothing; no univers, no life, no meaning. He doesn't even want to play with the idea that he could actually be wrong. Not even as a thought experiment. I do not respect him for that. I respect that people believe, that they have convictions. But when faith escalate into absolute "knowledge", I am lost. You can believe you have found what is right for you, but - like every other living human being - you cannot prove anything, hence you only hold an opinion like everybody else. If having faith makes you feel better, then it is right for you. Personally, the more I study and discuss religion, the more I am convinced the religious are heading off in the right direction. Still, I am aware that I know nothing more - or less - than them and that I also believe when I think there is nothing god-like out there. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 12:41:40 What sustains you? Is it predicated on what others say or do? What do you think the final outcome of your thoughts, actions, belief will be? Based on what? What do you think you need to be happy? |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/13/18 at 13:52:41 2F3C24393C2A3A5D0 wrote:
Life, I guess. And myself. 2F3C24393C2A3A5D0 wrote:
No, I have never followed anybody, never had a hero, never had a mentor I would follow without question. That goes for everybody from authorities to family. 2F3C24393C2A3A5D0 wrote:
If you by final mean after I die, I expect to be permanently dead. My actions are generally good because I'm guided by my conscious and not my ego the majority of the time. And like those who believe in a god I hope to open eyes and be rational ;D 2F3C24393C2A3A5D0 wrote:
Not quite sure what I should make of that question? 2F3C24393C2A3A5D0 wrote:
As I sit here today, with wife, kids and grand children, I can say that I have done a lot to try and be a good husband, father and grandfather. I can also say, with the knowledge I have today, that I would be happier on my own. My life would have been very different, with far less focus on material values and far more focus on immaterial values. But my conscious will not allow me to leave the family behind, so I'm kinda stuck. Not that I have anything to complain about, with people generally valuing me well higher than I deserve. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MShipley on 07/13/18 at 13:55:48 313631313E570 wrote:
fafi, I appreciate your open mindedness. it is where we all must start to seek out truth. I was not always a theist, as a matter of fact I was quite the secularist until I actually started looking and listening to both sides. I know there are some that say all the sciences point to no God however there is much that does point to God. Even the famed atheist Stephen Hawkins said that Darwinian evolution makes no sense. He did not agree with the Biblical either but evolution theory is no more than a theory and becoming less of one all the time. Cosmology points to God, Biology points to God. The entire Theory of information or the Theory of irreducible complexity all point to God. Yes, be open minded and search for truth. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 13:56:55 Why do you come to this site and post? |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MShipley on 07/13/18 at 13:58:41 faffi, where are you from? |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/13/18 at 14:00:09 64776F72776171160 wrote:
Because I enjoy it would be the short answer. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Eegore on 07/13/18 at 14:13:42 "What sustains you? Is it predicated on what others say or do? What do you think the final outcome of your thoughts, actions, belief will be? Based on what? What do you think you need to be happy? " I don't consider any of those. I just try to do more for others than I do for myself. I don't much care how I got here, or where I am going. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/13/18 at 14:26:20 5D437879607C7569100 wrote:
Well, I am going to set myself up for ridicule here and say that one thing that make sense to me, is us being "created" or influenced by extra-terrestrial life. I am not saying this has happened, but it does fill in a lot of the missing dots. If you read how cargo cults described aeroplanes and radio communication as well as the religions and rituals that followed, you will see that they are pretty familiar to descriptions found in the bible as well as the - to me - meaningless rituals upheld by various churches to this day. This can also explain the missing link as well as our very rapid evolution pointed out by Hawking. It can also explain the big number of huge construction/figures only visible from the air, as well as many other things difficult to explain. Let's say Jesus was from another part of the universe. And let's say that he had the technology to fly to the edge of the Milky Way and back in 60 years - for him. That would mean 4 million years have passed here. So he has only aged a couple of weeks over the past 2000 years here on earth. So even if he plans to come back every annual vacation - for him - it is still a looooong time before you will see him on this grounds ;) Of course, this is folly thoughts that are unlikely to be true, but they still make far more sense to me than the idea of a creating god. PS! Whether you believe the human race is a couple of thousand or a couple of million years old, we are still very young compared to the universe. Now think how far we have developed over just the past century and imagine someone being at our stage 5 billion years ago - what would they be capable of today? Mind blowing, isn't it ;D |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/13/18 at 14:27:14 5D437879607C7569100 wrote:
Rogaland, Norway. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 14:28:40 Yes, be open minded and search for truth. Not sure if folks really understand truth......???? It is not a total sum, nor is it abstract, however, it is not constant, either.... It can appear subjective, but is it? Maybe its just depends on our perspective at the moment, as in, " What am I looking for, and why?" Let me share this about me, in my quest, to find the Truth of God. I think I am not alone in this mindset, and I believe as well, that this "truth quest" causes lots of confusions, because we listen to others telling us what truth is, honestly ;D I "tried" for religious understanding for what seemed like FOREVER.... I wanted accolades, and praise, by "religious folk" for when I did the religious rituals.... I thought the "church" would validate me, and I guess I could then, believe it as truth that I was worthy, saved, and right, with nothing but goodness, happiness, and everything else, a good boy deserves :-[ I tried, tried, tried, knowing I COULD NEVER LIVE UP TO SUCH A TASK AND STANDARD. I was doomed before I really even tried :P Not until I got frank, and honest, with God..... Telling him the "truth" about how I felt. About how all this crap has gotten me no wheres. How he seems to pick favorites. How he lets bad people win. How he seems unjust. And how I even doubted he was real..... You might say, I was at the end of my rope. It was strange.... Once I got out my "truth" of how I REALLY FELT, did I feel like I finally had his attention. He didn't want me to pretend, he wanted me to be honest. He already knew how I felt, he was just waiting for me to own it. That was the "truth" Now since we are starting with the truth, maybe we can build upon it? You can lie to a boss. You can lie to your spouse. You can lie about your golf score........ ;) And you might think you got away with it. However, again, you can't lie to yourself. And you can't lie to God, period. You don't really know how old the rocks are, do you? You are relying on what others have been taught. That is not truth, its a guess. Could they be right, absolutely. Does that fact erase God's testimony? Nope. For if "that" God CAN create, like he says he can, do you think he has the capacity, ability, knowledge to create a red herring to, as a means to really see how truthful folks are when confessing their faith? He already knows the answers, but he is not above using props, and parables, for clues that a honest, desiring heart, might find. That is a truth only you can ask yourself, no one else can answer that for you. Well, not until the end of this world, anyway, but by then, the table will be cleared, cards put back, no more bets allowed. The winners will rejoice, the losers, paying a great debt, forevermore, or.... A push, its all dust and matter.... All that is left is only one question, and one truthful answer, and only can be answered by one person. Did you spend your life joyously, or regretfully, by what you believed this day would bring? I "truthfully" wish each, and everyone, who reads my stupidity......lol! The best choice, for them...... Can I get a......AMEN ;D |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/13/18 at 14:32:20 My question to that would be; why do you want a god to exist in the first place? |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 15:19:21 He fills a void, a riddle, give life meaning..... With that, listening, studying, it gives me direction. For me it’s very sustainable and constant. It’s like breathing, naturally, after having been suffocated by all the other dogmas in life. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Serowbot on 07/13/18 at 16:20:11 485B435E5B4D5D3A0 wrote:
And what if life doesn't have meaning?... Meaning would be nice,.. but wishful thinking doesn't make it so. Dogs live a life without meaning,... so do all the other creatures. With meaning in question,.. I prefer to live a life that I find meaningful, not one that is dictated by a book of questionable source. The Bible says many good things, but also some horrible things. When you wonder how you can moral without God,.. ask yourself how you know those horrible things are wrong. Stoning adulterous women, slavery, incest, killing children. The "Good" book says many things we as a society no longer tolerate. The Bible doesn't really teach morality,.. it teaches abject obedience. True obedience to God would require actual deeds of cruelty and suffering. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 16:35:06 I read your first line/question, what if life has no meaning.... I will field this before reading anything else, and remember, this is my “truth” at a very low gut level, WHICH would change with, and as, exceptions are neeeded.... If it had no meaning, then I would do whatever it takes to satisfy my most urgent whim. I would care not about anyone else, just my own welfare. If a person was pretty, and I was horny, I would force my way upon her until I was satisfied. Dito, if I wanted whatever it was that you had. I want it, would be my motivation. No meaning, just simple satisfaction. I will come back and fill in any needed material after I read your post in total. He’s back. Dogs, animals, have no free will. Left to their own accord and natural instincts before domestication, they are pretty much like my first response to you. I never said you couldn’t have morals sans the Bible. That’s a absurd statement. You do live according to a “code” now, whether you believe that or not, is immaterial. Go fly a 747. Just take all your friends with you, tell them it’s cool, I’ll Just wing it ;D Life is way more complicated than the flightdeck of a 747. Ok, I need to go check the rest of your post. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Serowbot on 07/13/18 at 16:40:43 So,.. the Bible holds sociopaths in check... What about those of us that aren't mentally disturbed?... I |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 16:42:43 5640574A52474A51250 wrote:
You made a social judgement based on what? |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/13/18 at 16:46:18 I better answer here.... I am already getting lost ;D The Bible is not a blueprint. You can’t put the Bible in that context. It will never work. We are back to square one, really.... You are trying to understand something according to what You presently can’t..... I know this, it’s my story, I tried to understand, it made no sense and was as boring as hell! |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/14/18 at 14:06:40 Perhaps the biggest issue with believing in something abstract is just that; belief. Or faith. If god was almighty, he could just arrange the stars so it read I AM HERE in any and every language. Or do something only a god could do. No need to do this faith thing. Faith suggests, to me, that it is man made and not real. But I do not know that for a fact, it just makes more sense to me than an abstract god. Another issue with Christ's dad, usually referred to as God, and his set of rules, is that whether or not you get the big prize in the form of eternal life in Paradise comes down to two things; faith in him and honest regret of your sins. I'd actually rather rot in Hell than go with such a God that doesn't judge me on how I have lived my life and my ratio of good to bad actions, but to whether or not I believed in his existence. To me that is a bit like only loving those of your kids that do what you tell them without question and turn the back on those that want to find their own way, no matter how nice they are. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/18 at 15:57:08 Looks like we will never meet. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/15/18 at 15:41:16 I hope not ;D |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MnSpring on 07/15/18 at 16:35:38 7770777778110 wrote:
I see, so their is only ONE religion ? The one you describe ? Are all the others as bad, or are they good ? Be careful now, think about it, if you say, Muslim faith is bad, like you say one other faith is bad. You may be a, Racist ! |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/16/18 at 14:13:02 I consider all the major religions to be equal. Apparently, the 27 largest religions all have a story about global flooding, and also most seems to share other episodes from what I'm told. But I do not know enough about the others (that is, apart from Christianity) to comment about what they think happens after death or what you must do (if anything) to receive some kind of perks after your perish from this earth. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MnSpring on 07/16/18 at 15:37:19 2D2A2D2D224B0 wrote:
"...I consider all the major religions to be equal...." That, Muslim, exists in that figure, of the 27 largest. Congratulation, you are, Racist ! How does it feel, to be called, Racist ? |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MShipley on 07/17/18 at 06:43:33 3A3D3A3A355C0 wrote:
faffi, Christianity is NOT like all other religions. in fact it is quite unique. All other religions are based upon what we call works or the things you do to be better or worse and therefore if you do the right things you gain the prize. Actually Christianity stands by itself as a unique religion. Yes God could make it obvious, but if that were done where would there be room for Love? All other religion is based on the notion that man is capable of being good and living up to what is right. Christianity says that NO MAN is capable of being good enough. In all other religions you do your best and die and go to judgement. In Christianity God came to the world and gave his life to pay YOUR penalty so that you can escape judgement. God expressed his love for you when he did this. In Christianity God loves his children and wants to have a relationship with you, however he does not force this upon you, it is your choice. There is much we do not know about the REWARD. What we do know is God gives you a choice, do you want to spend eternity with him or do you want to spend eternity without him. God allows this choice because it is an expression of his Love to you and an expression of your Love to him. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Eegore on 07/17/18 at 14:19:19 Isn't the choice to believe in god or be sent to hell? That's going to suck for a lot of kids out there. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/17/18 at 14:52:08 58787A726F781D0 wrote:
Ain’t no hell if you don’t believe..... Oh, oh, it’s sorta like kinda pregnant, cool. Funny, how folk get all riled over nothing ;D |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/17/18 at 15:09:48 There is no thing such a Hell the way we are led to believe - it was invented cirka year 500 IIRC when the Church needed more people to come to the ceremonies and pay for the welcome. Another issue is with the Gospels. There are a lot more, but again a group of higher priests decided upon the four that would be used based upon what seemed to suit their purpose the best. But even those 4 from the New Testament differ, and are even contradicting, in many details. Finally, I am pretty sure the Bible contain several Gods, not one. He/She varies between harsh and unforgiving, and loving and caring. And regardless, the stories are written by humans and not really trustworthy. Trivia: Did you know that the year Jesus was crucified, Pontius alone sentenced 30 other to be crucified that were claiming to be Messiah. They were rather common for the period. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MnSpring on 07/17/18 at 16:17:26 4A6A68607D6A0F0 wrote:
Well that would depend on which, belief, one has. A belief in a religion, (and which one), or a belief in no religion. "That's going to suck for a lot of kids out there" I think, that if they are told, (as in one religion), if they don’t believe that one religion, they will be KILLED. That's going to suck for a lot of kids out there, fer sure ! |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Serowbot on 07/17/18 at 16:28:48 Non-belief is not a belief... Atheism is not a belief,.. it is a label given by theist's to non-believers...... What do you label yourself for not believing in Santa Claus?... :-/ |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MnSpring on 07/17/18 at 17:13:26 6F796E736B7E73681C0 wrote:
Yea it is, It is a ABSOLUTE Belief, in, NOT believing ! ‘Agonistic’, is ‘closer’, to, ’not’, a believe in believing. If a, ‘Agonistic’, said nothing, pro/con, about any ’religion/deity’, Then, and ONLY then, would that, ‘Agonistic, be, ‘close’, to not believing, in believing.’ When a, ‘Atheist’, constantly states his/her, Belief, is NOT, Believing. It is a Absolute, Belief, in, Not Believing. "...What do you label yourself for not believing in Santa Claus?..." Yep, Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy, Obama, etc. Are All things, that when a person is little, they believe in. Some people grow up faster than others, yet they let the younger, more naive ones, believe. (Did you ever read, “Yes Virginia their is a Santa Claus” ?) So, the ones that grow up, let the ones who have not grown up, believe in, Santa, Tooth Fairy, and Obama. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by raydawg on 07/17/18 at 17:55:26 6C7A6D70687D706B1F0 wrote:
Your reasoning is self canceling.... So, if you think like a man, because you are a man, your anti woman ::) |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Eegore on 07/17/18 at 19:27:44 "Isn't the choice to believe in god or be sent to hell?" To clarify: Isn't the choice of Christianity to believe in go or be sent to hell? |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MShipley on 07/18/18 at 06:45:22 There is no thing such a Hell the way we are led to believe - it was invented cirka year 500 IIRC when the Church needed more people to come to the ceremonies and pay for the welcome. Another issue is with the Gospels. There are a lot more, but again a group of higher priests decided upon the four that would be used based upon what seemed to suit their purpose the best. But even those 4 from the New Testament differ, and are even contradicting, in many details. Finally, I am pretty sure the Bible contain several Gods, not one. He/She varies between harsh and unforgiving, and loving and caring. And regardless, the stories are written by humans and not really trustworthy. Trivia: Did you know that the year Jesus was crucified, Pontius alone sentenced 30 other to be crucified that were claiming to be Messiah. They were rather common for the period. faffi, have you ever read a Bible? While the word HELL is a translated word the concept of Hell runs through out the Bible. There is a consistent theme that at death there will be judgement and separation. Do we know exactly what that is? no! The Gospels. Yes I know there are numerous conspiracy theories. Just look to Hollywood. The truth is that the 4 Gospels of the Bible are the only 4 from the first century. All the others were written much later. In order to protect the authenticity one of the requirements was that the only accepted Gospels were those written within the life span of the actual witnesses of Christ. Anyone can write a book and call it a Gospel, that does not make its content true. Are there variances? Of course they are. If I gave Huck Finn to 4 people. asked them to read it and then give me the facts about it do you thing those reports will all be the same? If they were all identical people would just claim they were plagiarized. There some variances. Would you not expect that from such an old text? In fact they have all been documented and categorized. 75% are simply spelling and such. for instance if you were British and wrote the word colour and if you were from America you would write color. We all know what they both mean. There are very few, actually less than 1% that have any meaningful impact and all those that study the Bible are aware of them. More than one God? This is another common insincere objection. This is typically thrown out by those that do not understand theology as it is applied to the Christian faith. As far as your trivia question is concerned. I think that is totally false. I have never heard of such a thing and I doubt seriously that there is any ancient documentation to back that up. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MShipley on 07/18/18 at 07:00:12 485E49544C59544F3B0 wrote:
Sorry but this just isn't true. Everyone "believes" something. The question is what. It is absolutely untrue that any human being operates purely on empirical evidence and fact. In the scientific world there are currently two camps. Those that believe in a single universe and those that believe in a multi universe. There is NO empirical evidence for either yet they argue about this and debate their positions all the time.....it is because they Believe. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Eegore on 07/18/18 at 07:24:55 "It is absolutely untrue that any human being operates purely on empirical evidence and fact." I don't feel this is entirely true. Some people don't care, as in I don't care how many universes there are. I feel it is fact that there is a universe that we exist within, and that there may be others. I think it's possible to not have an opinion, or a belief in something. For instance I have no opinion on the multi-verse concept since I have no evidence of it. So for me I understand religion exists, so I believe in the concept of religion however I don't have evidence that any of the descriptions contained within them is real. I don't hold an opinion about the existence of any god since there is no way to prove it. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MShipley on 07/18/18 at 07:36:42 0F2F2D25382F4A0 wrote:
Do you believe it is wrong to murder innocent people or is that something you also just have no opinion on? Let me rephrase that question. Do you believe that it is wrong for someone to murder your family? |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by faffi on 07/18/18 at 13:43:45 About the trivia; it was on H2, so it must be true ;D Anyway, trying to google for confirmation (or not, as in my case, so it seems like I was had by the History channel) I found this (that I again cannot verify, but it was an interesting read nonetheless) https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/books/730997/Jesus-Christ-crucifixion-Bible-story-wrong-Julian-Doyle-book |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MShipley on 07/18/18 at 13:58:26 3D3A3D3D325B0 wrote:
I agree that the Hollywood version of the crucifixion is just that. A Hollywood version. When the Romans crucified someone it was not this massive cross in which you had to look up to see the person. The cross was just high enough to get people off the ground. part of the process was for onlookers to be able to look you in the eye, spit at you, hit you, yell at you whatever they want. However There is much historical evidence and writing other than the Bible that confirm that Jesus was crucified and died on the cross. Some religions like the Muslim faith believe what they call the Swoon theory. That is Jesus did not die. he either pretended to die or someone else died in his place. For anyone that understands this subject it simple does not stand up. Jesus was crucified. He did die on that cross. he was buried. Of course the entire Christian faith falls on what happened next which is the resurrection. That is an entirely different subject in which you should investigate both sides. I am sure you will find those that object. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Eegore on 07/18/18 at 14:19:56 "Do you believe it is wrong to murder innocent people or is that something you also just have no opinion on? Let me rephrase that question. Do you believe that it is wrong for someone to murder your family?" In most cases yes, but there are some outlying factors such as stopping major widespread disease, or if they sign up for military service. How does assessing wrong behavior and assessing a universe model or religion model come together? The question seems off topic. |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by MShipley on 07/19/18 at 07:51:53 78585A524F583D0 wrote:
The original statement you disagreed with was "It is absolutely untrue that any human being operates purely on empirical evidence and fact." There is NO empirical evidence to say killing is wrong. It is simply a Moral construct that we Believe.... We ALL Believe something.... |
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Title: Re: If you care to read....... Post by Eegore on 07/19/18 at 15:38:22 "The original statement you disagreed with was "It is absolutely untrue that any human being operates purely on empirical evidence and fact." There is NO empirical evidence to say killing is wrong. It is simply a Moral construct that we Believe.... We ALL Believe something...." Ok I see what you are saying. I don't think to look at the ideas of right/wrong regarding ending human life as a belief but as an assessment of advantages or disadvantages of the action on an individual basis. Killing is one of those right from one side, wrong from the other but not as clear cut as say algebra. |
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