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Title: Great idea..... Post by raydawg on 07/11/18 at 17:30:05 To combat the homeless problem in San Francisco, Breed wants to, among other things, improve hospital and hospice care for the homeless, open safe injection sites for drug users, have medical teams on the streets deal with overdoses and construct permanent housing for the city’s homeless. Not. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/18 at 18:48:21 I hope the idiots who made that mess don't move to Texas and vote for the same stewpidshitt that wrecked California. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by raydawg on 07/11/18 at 19:17:30 3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:
Never happen in Texas. Instead of all these nice enabling perks that allow them to live their destructive lifestyle, Texas would just give each one a gun, and one bullet. It would solve lots of their problems, quickly. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by oldNslow on 07/11/18 at 19:21:11 Quote:
That'll fix it. They won't be homeless once all the new houses get built and they move 'em in. New mayor's a genius. Wonder why nobody else thought of that ? ::) ::) ::) Oughta give 'em all jobs too. How about "Designated Democrat Voter." Only have to work for a couple of minutes every four years. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by Eegore on 07/11/18 at 19:33:00 Clean injection sites do save money on the back end. Unless we do something about requiring medical centers to treat all people that come into them, or otherwise protect the medical staff that tell homeless addicts that they can't receive care. In Utah creating a homeless community was cheaper than jailing them. So in certain places, some of these things work to save some taxpayer money. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by MShipley on 07/12/18 at 06:11:45 You know this kind of stuff has always bothered me. I have two brothers and a son that are type one diabetics. Due to no fault of there own by their lifestyle or habits, they require insulin, needles, blood sugar monitors to just live. NO ONE cares about providing this stuff for them! Why do people think it is my responsibility to provide for health issues for people that are sick by their own choices. Before you beat me up for a lack of compassion when I was young I was a drug addict and an alcoholic too. So what! Catering to this just allows it to continue. When an addict is sick and tired enough of living like that they will do something about it or die, it is their choice. I did. I never had the Government take care of me. There are a lot of places run by private organizations that will provide help if someone wants it. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by Eegore on 07/12/18 at 06:41:52 "addict is sick and tired enough of living like that they will do something about it or die, it is their choice" The problem here is that medical centers can not just let an addict that was dropped off die without breaking the law. So in a way many do not have the choice, unless they shoot up in private where nobody will try to get them medical attention. Also there's ones that keep coming in for treatment, for years and years and the cost of that is very high. Clean needles are cheaper, in some communities, in certain circumstances, so from a cost perspective it is a good choice sometimes. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by MShipley on 07/12/18 at 07:02:47 6E4E4C44594E2B0 wrote:
Yes I understand what you are saying. It is a dilemma. But at some point we have to stop catering to bad behavior. Bringing people to a Medical facility to fix a self induced problem just so they can go out and do it all over again makes no sense. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by Trippah on 07/12/18 at 07:14:08 Mn - I believe that universal health care such as Obamacare did just that, provided the necessary tools for diabetics. ;) I am curious, did you have access to a gun when you were an addict? |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by MShipley on 07/12/18 at 07:39:16 I am curious, did you have access to a gun when you were an addict?[/quote] That is a loaded question that has nothing to do with the subject but I assume since no one was aware of my addiction but me and my family that I could have purchased a gun. I did not ever try, I spent all my money on my addiction. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by Trippah on 07/12/18 at 08:01:14 Just curious, as Rawdawg had made the suggestion... As an aside to the topic, I am in awe of anyone who can overcome an addiction to drugs, good for you. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by MShipley on 07/12/18 at 08:22:50 As an aside to the topic, I am in awe of anyone who can overcome an addiction to drugs, good for you. [/quote] Real quickly I will tell you the 30 sec. story. When I was 29 I woke up in a hospital and was told 1 would not live another year due to my alcoholism and drug abuse. I drank a half gallon of bourbon everyday for years. Anyway I went home and got drunk. I didn't want to die, I had a 2 year old son. I took out my Bible and started reading. One day I got on my knees and told God this was out of my control, I could not stop and if he had plans for my life he would have to do something. I also promised that if he would save my life that what I had left live would be devoted to him. Selfish I know. But God does not ask us to come with the right motivation, he just ask us to come. Anyway, over the next 6 months through what I would tell you was miraculous events I met my problem head on and that was 34 years ago and I have not had a drink or used drugs since. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by raydawg on 07/12/18 at 08:55:13 4565676F7265000 wrote:
Cheaper.....how so? At the moment? What happens when the need increases because of enabling them, then you tell them no more, or just expand, expand, expand? You go to any pubic campground in the USA, Right smack dab at the toll booth, in BIG letters, they tell you... DO NOT FEED THE WILD ANIMALS. You wanna hazard a guess why? |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by Trippah on 07/12/18 at 09:22:50 Mn - Your story reinforces my belief in the belief in God; for many adults we come back to God when faced with a situation we feel we can't control. Call it looking for help in all the right places; and belief is NOT a logical thing, it is spiritual (making Pascal's Wager a bit useless). |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by raydawg on 07/12/18 at 09:24:41 6C724948514D4458210 wrote:
Real quickly I will tell you the 30 sec. story. When I was 29 I woke up in a hospital and was told 1 would not live another year due to my alcoholism and drug abuse. I drank a half gallon of bourbon everyday for years. Anyway I went home and got drunk. I didn't want to die, I had a 2 year old son. I took out my Bible and started reading. One day I got on my knees and told God this was out of my control, I could not stop and if he had plans for my life he would have to do something. I also promised that if he would save my life that what I had left live would be devoted to him. Selfish I know. But God does not ask us to come with the right motivation, he just ask us to come. Anyway, over the next 6 months through what I would tell you was miraculous events I met my problem head on and that was 34 years ago and I have not had a drink or used drugs since. [/quote] No drug, nothing even prescribed? I have shared my overcoming many times here as well..... Just had another sober birthday on the 4th. Re: drugs. I have had dental work, triple hernia surgery, as well as my cancers.... I needed pain meds. I told every doctor right up front, about my addicting personality. One told me he wasn't worried, because I had the honesty to tell him about it..... I said, not good enuff, you are getting paid to perform this procedure, and you are IN CHARGE of my drug use/needs, to get over this surgery. Do NOT listen to me if I call with a excuse to needing more pain meds, I am really good at convincing others of my needs, when I am under their spell...... He looked at me, just stared real hard into my eyes..... I didn't drop off my gaze, but met his full on. He finally gave me a small nod, and dropped his gaze. I could tell I made some kind of connection, a understanding, in his life. I hope it was the very fact that saying NO, is better than giving in, to a patience who whines for more meds. Its like this. You wanna lose weight? Decide your portions before you sit at the table, and STICK TO IT..... Its YOU putting that fork or spoon, into your mouth, NOT the Chefs..... Also, my "drugs" were left in plain view on the counter, so my wife could also have peace of mind, if she wanted to count them to see if I wasn't taking them as prescribed. I never asked her if she did, nor do I do this as a safe guard, delegating MY responsibilities to self, with her being the warden..... Yes, the draw is different for everyone..... Some will never get fat, nor become addicts and rummies, but that is beside the point. Everyone has a mind (mostly) and a FREE will, therefor, its up to YOU, to ask for help, plain and simple. BTW, that euphoria, the effect, of pain meds is real, like a flame to a moth, I feel its draw. I want more, this feels GREAT..... You just don't, you can't, its a lie. It's only MASKING the pain, NOT taking it away. The "pain" in the lives of alcoholics and addicts IS REAL, fix that, not mask it.... By continual and habitual using of booze and drugs. You CAN fix your pain, that is VERY DOABLE, and the freedom of escaping a vicious cycle of addiction alone, will bring you such joy you will wonder why you didn't choose it years ago.... That doesn't matter tho, as today you can. and tomorrow will bring more promise, building upon each sober day :) |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by raydawg on 07/12/18 at 09:25:25 51776C7575646D050 wrote:
well stated, thank you :) |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by MShipley on 07/12/18 at 09:54:07 Ray, I have for pain a couple times taken a pain killer, teeth and I broke 2 ribs once. I have never taken them for more than a couple days because I do like them way too much, and I know that. It's funny 34 years later i can still taste bourbon and feel its burn going down my throat if I think about it. I guess that never goes away. It's funny and I imagine you understand this but the concept of having a couple beers has never appealed to me. I never wanted to do anything but be drunk, and the drunker the better. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by MnSpring on 07/12/18 at 10:07:34 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
Haven't a bunch, already arrived, and are living in Austin ? |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by raydawg on 07/12/18 at 10:28:13 475962637A666F730A0 wrote:
Yep, Huey Lewis nails the need in his song, eh :) I was all over the board, started with beer, but it couldn't deliver escape fast enough.... Whiskey/bourbon, harsh stuff. I think what saved me from certain premature death was I was a lousy drunk..... When I first went to AA, heard all these truly amazing testimonies of how far they sank out, and the road back, it just blew my mind.... I couldn't compete ;D I hid my friggen bottle, Goldschläger..... in the garage, a closet rummy. I didn't crash my car, kill anyone, lose my job, house, wife, family.... Just a weak selfish little turdball who drank because the BIG BAD world scared him so :D But the physical addiction is the same. It weeds itself into a need, and the cycle begins. I don't have so much, after 20 years, the fantasizing of how good a beer would taste, etc, no..... But like I spoke re: drugs/pills, that simple euphoria of lifting the weight from my shoulders, makes no difference if its real, or imagined weight, the lifting I can really physically feel. Ya know, as I type this out, a realization just accrued to me. Many, many years ago I had 3 back surgeries, first one in my early 20's. The last one, lat 20's, left me with what is called drop foot. It has caused me to have to lift my leg up higher than normal, so my toes/front of my foot, do not get caught on something, causing me to trip. It feels normal to me, as I have had this condition for the majority of my life.... But it is rather obvious to others, I have a condition that hampers my ability to walk, I can't run..... It has thrown my whole gait out of whack, causing other issues, as my core and balance is no longer centered..... I wonder if this euphoria I feel when taking a pain killer, is somehow lifting all that stuff too???? So. its not so much in my mind, that all is good and right, etc, but it has a real medicinal effect on my body as a whole? I think I might have "stumbled" onto sumtin ( pun intended ) ;D Oh well, a life of pain pills is NOT in my future, of that I am certain, but it does provide me with a little more possible insight into how all this masking and chemicals interact...... |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by faffi on 07/12/18 at 14:53:21 I used to think in a similar manner, that it is just to stop what you are doing wrong and begin doing the right stuff. Like many of you, I dislike weakness; mine as well as that of others. However, we all have them, although they may differ greatly in how they manifest themselves. So while I find it very hard to respect addicts, I need to remind myself there are always reasons for why they turned that way. Could be they are physically disposed, or they could have suffered a traumatic childhood or any other reason. We must also remember that nothing is harder than changing your behaviour. Which is why smokes with lung cancer continue to smoke and abusers abuse into death. Unless you see a benefit of changing behaviour that is big enough to outweigh the hardship of the change itself, it will not happen. Although I can still get upset by people throwing away their lives on stupid behaviour, I need to remind myself just how difficult it is from them not to. But let's see this from a pure financial perspective. A homeless, workless addict cost society a lot of money. Some in form of welfare (at least here), but primary due to crime; the only way they can finance their addiction is by stealing and/or dealing. The former hurt innocent people, the latter bring more people into a world of addiction and more crime. Also, there is a substantial loss of tax income as well as revenue for shops that can be used to employ more people from unemployed members of a society. Does it help to put them into jail? No. But it does cost a lot of money to keep them jailed. Also, once in jail, locked up with a bunch of other criminals, you are very unlikely to go straight after your stay behind bars. Instead, you are statistically a more hardened criminal. So it is sound economy to help people live a straight life where they go to work every day. For the same reason, it makes financial sense to rehabilitate criminals instead of locking them up behind bars. Jails, for the most part, is there to deter and also to satisfy people's desire for revenge. But they do not work well for anything else. Well, not quite true; some people are too dangerous to be allowed to walk around in society and needs to be locked away. Often, though, they need mental care and not prison. |
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Title: Re: Great idea..... Post by Eegore on 07/12/18 at 15:38:41 "Cheaper.....how so?" At the moment?" No in the long-term. The cost of repeated trips to the ED is far higher than needles that keep people cleaner over time. The cost of emergency medical care in the US is astronomical. Every time an patient that needs to be detoxed (by law) comes with costs higher than that of a clean needle and the costs of distribution combined. Clean needles are kind of like smoking reduction programs where the costs of cancer/heart condition treatment is compared to the costs of creating smoking cessation programs. It typically cheaper to offer free smoking cessation and nicotine patches than it is to treat re-occurring heart problems in the long run. I don't have the exact numbers anymore, but last time we looked them over just the admitting process could pay for about 220 needles at cost. This doesn't apply everywhere, costs and levels of addiction vary. |
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