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Title: Decline of White Christian America Post by eau de sauvage on 07/08/18 at 23:20:01 Maybe Donald can help you guys out? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/robert-jones-white-christian-america/532587/ Prolly not. The Horror, the horror. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by faffi on 07/09/18 at 13:22:33 We have the same discussions here, with some people fighting hard to keep the Norwegian culture. My reply to that is that - luckily - our culture is under constant change. For instance, until 1972 it was criminal to be homosexual here and you risked prison. Women were only given common right to vote in 1913. And Norway became Christian by means no better than ISIS use today - if you refused to be a Christian, you lost your head. Literally. And now people fight to keep our nation Christian. If we were to turn Muslim, we will fight tooth an nail to stay that way a thousand years from now. I really dislike religion. Religion really is the culprit for virtually every war and grief. No, that is not objective. It is highly subjective. But even Hitler was convinced he was backed by God. Or at least used God in order to get the German people behind him. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MShipley on 07/10/18 at 06:29:03 7F787F7F70190 wrote:
faffi, The problem here is you are simply incorrect, and I say that with all due respect. Yes there have been terrible things done in the name of religion and my comments here are not to try and justify those things. However the 20th century brought the greatest loss of life humanity has ever seen and it was all in the name of Secularism. Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong. Much of it was just racism like Rwanda. 120 million in total. Mao even stated that he would stamp out religion for all eternity. Funny thing is China is the fastest growing Christian Church in the world right now. People like Hitler and Stalin were driven by the nihilistic worldview of 19th and 20th century philosophers such as Nietzsche. The difference is: when Christians do horrible things such as the Crusades it is totally against the teachings of their Worldview. When secularist do horrible things like gas all the Jews, it is totally inline with a non theistic, survival of the fittest, Worldview |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Eegore on 07/10/18 at 06:39:57 I don't understand why the US has to be majority White and Christian. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Serowbot on 07/10/18 at 08:06:01 Because white Christians want it that way... ;D |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/18 at 08:57:47 What was the population like as America developed and became the pinnacle of civilization? Majority White Christian |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/10/18 at 09:07:01 I don't understand why open-minded, tolerant, diversified, liberals, who preach peace, and getting along, forfeit what they say they stand for, for politico party gains? Kinda reminds me of those nasty Crusaders who wanted to spread God's love with the unknowing ;D Be the change you wish to see in others/world. THAT is the only sustainable way to bring change...... EVERYTHING else, is warfare. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Serowbot on 07/10/18 at 09:15:00 Thanks, Gandhi... |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/10/18 at 09:21:39 392F38253D28253E4A0 wrote:
You are welcome Winston :-* |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/18 at 09:38:53 3A252324393E0F3F0F37252962500 wrote:
I enjoy watching them walk carefully around the point while they pretend to look for it |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MnSpring on 07/10/18 at 09:56:23 332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:
WOW, have not heard that for a long time. Thanks JOG, that is SO APPROPRIATE !!!!! |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MnSpring on 07/10/18 at 11:21:37 1A3A38302D3A5F0 wrote:
I don’t understand why most of the countries, in the, Southern 2/3's of the ‘Middle East', area, has to be majority Muslim, and have the same color skin ? |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Eegore on 07/10/18 at 11:26:14 I don't either. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by WebsterMark on 07/10/18 at 12:13:55 I really dislike religion. Religion really is the culprit for virtually every war and grief. No, that is not objective. It is highly subjective. Categorically untrue. Demonstratively untrue.Equating Nazis with religion is incorrect. Not that organized religion is blameless because it certainly isn’t but any honest evaluation clearly shows exponentially greater benefit to society than harm. If you don’t want to participate in organized religion, that’s fine but I don’t understand why people want to lay all the world’s problems on its doorstep. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/10/18 at 12:16:21 5676747C6176130 wrote:
If I can find another to blame, I can then absolve myself, of my failings, while also pretending humility, by my guilt, WHICH, I assign to others, while claiming I've risen above that, which causes my guilt. To fool oneself might appear a simple task, masking, in order to avoid reality, you can't...... Its just impossible UNLESS one is a psychopath, yet, that is just a clinical description, which still doesn't change the truth of the matter. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/10/18 at 12:21:05 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
Web is right, its not even arguable....... Just repeated enough times that folks who are looking for "their" answer, find it as such. Not by a long shot. Stalin, Mao Zedong did not even follow religion, yet they killed millions of people. Religion was not behind most of the wars - including the 1st and 2nd world war. Leopold II of Belgium killed about 10 million people in Congo, Pakistan killed 3 million in Bangladesh, Khmer Rouge (KR) regime killed about 2 million in Cambodia - none of these killings were religiously motivated. If you go by the following list, the top ones are also not related to any religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by faffi on 07/10/18 at 13:42:41 7D4F48595E4F58674B58412A0 wrote:
Religion in itself is not bad, if you follow the books. That goes for any mainstream religion. However, religion is used as means to control people, not as intended. If muslims followed the book, they would act virtually the same as christians. All the crap about violence is not based on the religion, but how some use their version of the book to control mostly illiterat masses and make them do horrible things. I fully agree that you cannot call Hitler a Christian, but the fact is that he went to war in God's name. Just as ISIS is fighting what they claim to be a holy war. Both were/are of course in absolute conflict with the real intents of their religions, but I will reiterate that religion is mostly used to control people and to gain personal benefits. Just take a look at the many American (and elsewhere) so called christian churches where you habe 100,000 people shouting HALLELUJAH and believing they can make paraplegic walk again through prayers and donations. Especially donations. Big donations - to the filthy rich priests. And don't get me started on the enormous sexual abuse seen on Catholic churches around the world. So religion itself is not the problem, it's how many abuse it that is. Of course, there are thousands of caring, honest, humble priests around the world of all kinds of religion. But there are enough rotten apples to cause a lot of damage. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by WebsterMark on 07/10/18 at 14:52:11 I fully agree that you cannot call Hitler a Christian, but the fact is that he went to war in God's name. Nope. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/10/18 at 15:49:01 222522222D440 wrote:
Religion in itself is not bad, if you follow the books. That goes for any mainstream religion. However, religion is used as means to control people, not as intended. If muslims followed the book, they would act virtually the same as christians. All the crap about violence is not based on the religion, but how some use their version of the book to control mostly illiterat masses and make them do horrible things. I fully agree that you cannot call Hitler a Christian, but the fact is that he went to war in God's name. Just as ISIS is fighting what they claim to be a holy war. Both were/are of course in absolute conflict with the real intents of their religions, but I will reiterate that religion is mostly used to control people and to gain personal benefits. Just take a look at the many American (and elsewhere) so called christian churches where you habe 100,000 people shouting HALLELUJAH and believing they can make paraplegic walk again through prayers and donations. Especially donations. Big donations - to the filthy rich priests. And don't get me started on the enormous sexual abuse seen on Catholic churches around the world. So religion itself is not the problem, it's how many abuse it that is. Of course, there are thousands of caring, honest, humble priests around the world of all kinds of religion. But there are enough rotten apples to cause a lot of damage. [/quote] Well using your reasoning Communism( or any other "ism" ) would work GREAT if only the LEADERS DIDN'T USE IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE, yeah? However, history does not have one bit of evidence that it HAS worked. The "early" church, even Jesus's disciples, argued over importance. Its just odd that presently Christianity is "liberally" under attack, for the failure of liberalism...... in the USA. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Serowbot on 07/10/18 at 16:01:52 293A223F3A2C3C5B0 wrote:
You what?... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Trippah on 07/10/18 at 16:11:35 The decline of Christianity (of the white variety) is due in part to its obstinate adherence to a social system that is three thousand years old. Its historic use to legitimatize the conquest of the New World, the importing and use of slave labor and the controlling of women all add to its devaluation, as well as the ongoing dislike of Protestants and Catholics (The Christian variant of Shia - Sunni split in the Islamic faith). The growing number of women who are the primary bread winners in their families has led to their revisionist view that maybe they should be the bossed of their lives, not some minister/priest dude. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/10/18 at 17:22:41 57716A7373626B030 wrote:
Wrong, well, I mean secularly you just pointed out what I eluded to above, in blaming. I mean really, a 2000 year old religion stuck in a time warp, how silly to think societies have not evolved..... Except mans own selfish desires haven’t changed, nor will they, no matter how much you intellectualize it. It is not in his script, like homosexuality is that persons script, not learned.... Nor will a man ever know life within his womb, no matter how hip and so evolved. Christianity can not, like in never, be experienced without the Trinity..... Nor any semblance to its understanding, without directions of the Holy Spirit..... Not possible, just like a man can’t conceive life in his womb. Whoever designed us, made us as such, for a reason. Try and push a round peg in a square hole, go for it, hope you have a peg and a hole left, when you come to realize you can’t intellectualize yourself to any life sustainability without relying on other elements. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Eegore on 07/10/18 at 19:47:34 So if we aren't blaming, then what are the primary causes of the decline of white Christians in the US? |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/18 at 20:17:16 Society has been turning more and more hostile to Christianity for decades. If you're too young to know what Madeleine Murray ohaire did, and if you don't remember how schools have been driven into a Hate God Position, then you might ask that question honestly. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/10/18 at 20:24:55 7A5A58504D5A3F0 wrote:
Maybe it had to do with why nobody told the pollsters they would vote for Trump...... Or maybe more likely, those taking the poll, twisted the results to show Hillary was going to win the election. Have you yourself done any study in this matter? How did you gather your data? Did you question those walking out of a church on Sunday morning, or sitting in a bar watching sports? Or..... Are you relying what others say, as gospel? ;D |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by WebsterMark on 07/11/18 at 04:23:09 6040424A5740250 wrote:
In a word: prosperity. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Eegore on 07/11/18 at 05:31:16 "Have you yourself done any study in this matter? How did you gather your data? Did you question those walking out of a church on Sunday morning, or sitting in a bar watching sports? Or..... Are you relying what others say, as gospel?" I started with the US Religion Census and since this is specific to Christianity I also am using National Council of Churches which is Christ oriented. The information is dated though. http://usreligioncensus.org/ http://nationalcouncilofchurches.us/ Also the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies provides verifiable data. http://www.asarb.org/ The Association of Religious Data Archives is the most comprehensive: http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/ None of them really touch on recent politics as a source of generational White Christian decline in the US. "Or maybe more likely, those taking the poll, twisted the results to show Hillary was going to win the election." Are you saying that polls caused white Christians to change religions? Most the information I see has to do with family life, modern media, antiquity in local church activity and perception of historical Christ. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/11/18 at 07:24:24 No, I am not saying anything either way..... I do believe folks say many things contrary to what they really believe. When any data is cited, I question the need for such reporting. What is the motivation. Then, how does it impact me, and why..... On my OWN personal observation, I question many who say they believe..... :-? |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MShipley on 07/11/18 at 11:28:50 Well if you read the Holy Bible you will learn why Christianity is in decline. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/11/18 at 11:37:07 706E55544D5158443D0 wrote:
Sure enuff right there.... Gnashing of teeth, yikes, I hope Obamacare expands to dental coverage too ;D |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Eegore on 07/11/18 at 12:14:09 554B707168747D61180 wrote:
Besides reading multiple versions of the Holy Bible is there any other reference? |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MShipley on 07/11/18 at 12:50:08 Which one have you read? |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Eegore on 07/11/18 at 14:08:21 I haven't read any of them. Which one (s) would have to be read to know why white Christians are in decline in the US? Also is reading them the only way to know? For instance I can paraphrase or to a degree explain the contents of a book for someone without requiring they read it in its entirety. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Serowbot on 07/11/18 at 15:06:45 In part, prosperity, as Web said,... ...also, science... we know things now that were mysterious 2,000 years ago... The more we understand about the nature of the universe, the less we need a god. Astrology has become astronomy... we all accept that. Religion used to give answers... now it only gives myth. Why are there 12 disciples?... Why was Jesus born on Dec 25th?... The 12 signs of astrology,... and the winter solstice... Christianity is just pagen sun worship embodied in a Jewish Rabbi... People understand that more today. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/11/18 at 15:18:01 7555575F4255300 wrote:
Dude, not trying to be flippant, but even if it was in Braille....... The Bible is written in a manner that you won’t be able to understand the ramifications if not taught by the Holy Spirit. And even then, it can be a struggle, AND your understandings change, as you grow into a deeper relationship with God. I speak from firsthand experience.... Is it everybodies, absolutely not. I tried many attempts to read the Bible and to “find” religion within its text. I got more from a barstool and a beer, or so I thought. The understanding of sustainable happiness eluded me, as I desperately wanted what I saw in others....... It took me 50 years, to finally come to a understanding, and that was only after I finally, in total, surrender MY will, to God. I was gifted the Spirit, instantly, and what use to baffle me I could now understand. Do not let my story hamper your investigation. If your desires to enlightenment are true, you will be amazed. On the other hand, if you are looking to prove prophecy false, you will fail. The book you should want to look at is Revelations, try a new world version, as it is written in a more current manner, however, it will read as sci-fi no matter copy you get.... Scholars have spent countless hours on trying to explain it, good luck :) |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by WebsterMark on 07/11/18 at 15:18:27 Religion used to give answers... now it only gives myth. I would argue it still gives answers but many take them as myths. I knew an old guy a long time ago who use to say "If I've got $20 and a full tank of gas, who needs God?" Today; we would say "If I've got a 401k, social security, Medicare, 50" flat screen and an Ipad, who needs God?" Part of ramifications of prosperity means less of a day to day struggle just to stay alive. Fear of the end is further off in the distance in our world today. Reconciling that feeling we all have that we are unique in the world, that we are eternal, is more abstract. We don't see death often enough to force a confrontation with our mortality. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/11/18 at 15:22:47 Good point Web..... When you see fake death in the media multiple times in any given movie..... It becomes nothing of substance, unless it’s yours. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Serowbot on 07/11/18 at 15:34:59 3C2F372A2F39294E0 wrote:
I hear iterations of this all the time... Basically,... you have to believe in God to believe in God... This could work for Santa and the Tooth Fairy too... ;D |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/18 at 15:44:40 Ray Dust from the sandals Pearls before swine It's pointless |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MnSpring on 07/11/18 at 15:49:17 3127302D35202D36420 wrote:
We have advanced, Greatly ! We have learned a great many things, that, dispelled myths, or explained them. Why stop now, just because someone, ‘believes’ in NOT, ‘Believing’. Real fast forward in 1869, (when the Golden Spike was driven) who would have even dreamed about a airplane. In 1919, who would of thought a a airplane that could go 5 times faster than the speed of sound. In 1969, who would have thought their could have been a man on the moon. In 2000, who would have thought, the computing power on the LLM/LOM, would be equal to the $9.95 watch at mart-mart. In 2018, who would of thought a portable cell phone would be glued to the ear of people over the age of 8. What is next? All sorts of un-imagined wonders, we only dream of now. Just because, at one time, it was believed, the Earth was flat, or the sun revolved around it. We we all grew in knowledge, and now know the, ‘Earth’ is Round, and the, ‘Earth’, revolves around the sun. YET. No one, “Threw Away The Earth" |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by faffi on 07/11/18 at 16:01:15 It is pretty special to read about the want to protect the white Christian man in USA considering it was him who basically genocided the original Americans out of existence and took their land and then went on to hold slaves ;D When I was a teenager many decades ago, my biggest dream was having to ability to go back in time to cirka 1500, but bringing a modern helicopter with modern weapons and waste the white man as he tried to step onto American land. Since I am not a killer, I probably could never have pulled it through, but I sincerely believe the white man raped the original population so bad it defies description. Speaking of killing; I find it rather funny that so many Christians are fan of guns. Thou shalt not kill doesn't say "unless you feel threatened". It says not kill. Period. http://www.biblestudy.org/question/what-does-thou-shall-not-kill-mean.html However, all people will find ways to explain and defend what they do are OK. I'm no different. Doesn't make it any more right ;) |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/11/18 at 17:22:40 4056415C44515C47330 wrote:
I hear iterations of this all the time... Basically,... you have to believe in God to believe in God... This could work for Santa and the Tooth Fairy too... ;D[/quote] No, you missed it totally. However, I don’t need you to be wrong, for me to be right. It’s you buddy, who is saddled to a dogma. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/11/18 at 17:23:47 2E3137302D2A1B2B1B23313D76440 wrote:
Thanks Jog, I get it..... Plant upon soil that can bear, is a wise farmer [ch128523] |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by WebsterMark on 07/11/18 at 17:38:45 When I was a teenager many decades ago, my biggest dream was having to ability to go back in time to cirka 1500, but bringing a modern helicopter with modern weapons and waste the white man as he tried to step onto American land. Since I am not a killer, I probably could never have pulled it through, but I sincerely believe the white man raped the original population so bad it defies description. Hey, they should have stopped killing each other and advanced technologically if they wanted to survive. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/11/18 at 22:41:33 737473737C150 wrote:
You whole observation is moot, period. It’s totally self serving and self promotion based on nothing. It’s sorta like Back to the Furure 2, where he gets a sports magazine with the scores, and uses it to build a fortune with it... Who wouldn’t do things differently if you had do-overs? Yeah, like Bot and assigning fairy tales to religion.... Only one thing wrong with his analogy. You outgrow fairytales as you wise up... With religion, you grow up, hopefully to be more like Jesus, as you grow into a understanding. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/18 at 23:47:22 Speaking of killing; I find it rather funny that so many Christians are fan of guns. Thou shalt not kill doesn't say "unless you feel threatened". It says not kill. Period. You're ignorant. Why would Jesus have instructed Peter to sell his cloak to buy a sword? Nowhere in the bible is there instruction to not protect yourself. The Word you are so determined to quote is what they used when Murder Was what they should have used. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by eau de sauvage on 07/12/18 at 00:27:56 313631313E570 wrote:
Very well explained in this cartoon that appeared in Bowling For Columbine ... https://youtu.be/lGYFRzf2Xww [media]https://youtu.be/lGYFRzf2Xww[/media] |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by eau de sauvage on 07/12/18 at 00:33:23 162423323524330C20332A410 wrote:
Not sure why you're on a biking forum if you don't ride a bike! |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/18 at 03:55:45 Who said I don't ride? I have three bukes right now. YZ250 Suzuki Vstrom and my new favorite, a Honda CTX700DCT, DCT stands for Dual Clutch Transmission or call it an Automatic. I wasn't sure about no clutch or shift level but man its fun to ride! I can see more and more bikes going this direction. New Goldwings have DCT transmissions now. I'd consider getting one but I don't tour enough to justify it. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MShipley on 07/12/18 at 05:52:15 I am not sure where to start with this. It always interest me that those which know nothing about the Christian faith are such big critics. Lets start with "White Christian" The Christian faith has nothing to do with white people, however millions of white people do follow the faith. Jesus was not white, nor was Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Paul, Peter or any other person in the Bible. The Bible teaches that ALL Humans are descendants of Adam and Eve the first two created beings and that we are ALL made in the image of God. This is what gives all humans VALUE. For those that believe in Darwinism he believed (as stated in his book Origin of the Species) that Black people evolved at a much later time and from different animals and this explained why they were so inferior to white people. The Bible does NOT separate humans by "RACE" in fact there is only one place in the Bible where a persons skin color is mentioned, it says "Esau was born with red skin" However it does separate people by culture and through that we can guess what color skin a person may have had. There are Christians from all races all over the world. Actually Christianity is booming right now particularly in the Latino countries, Eastern countries and yes the Middle East. I guess you are talking about what is considered the declining numbers of white people in Western Culture that are Christian. Yes in the USA there is a decline in all Christian churches with one exception, Evangelical Baptist Churches and they are only growing marginally. Why is a big question and I am sure would have a lot of opinions. I think Web hit on one of the biggest issues in Western Culture. We simply have so much we do not feel we need a God. We have traded God for stuff. Science is King in the USA, but it has been placed there incorrectly. Science is a discipline and the idea that science and religion don't mix is to reject half of what it means to be a human being. Science tells us a lot but science in not intended to or able to tell us everything. For instance science can help us to build an atomic weapon but it can not give us the answer of whether it is right or wrong to use that weapon. When people claim to only live by science they are deluding themselves. I have stated before that Worldviews are important. There are 4 basic questions that need to be answered by any Worldview. (yes I know people are going to dispute this) but they are Origin, Meaning, Morality and Destiny. I could go on and on about this for hours but lets try to make a brief comparison of the Christian answers compared to the Secular answers to these issues. Origin: we believe that God was the first cause that brought all into being and that ALL men are created in his image and that all human life is sacred because of this. For the secularist the Universe came about by accident. ( let me add something here. scientist have labeled this a "Singularity" something outside the laws of physics, and scientific laws. There has always been a word for this. It is miracle). Humans just happen to evolve from the gooo and has no more value than a dog. Meaning: for the Christian there is no issue with meaning or purpose we are here to honor and praise God, to be a part of a community that takes care of each other as we move toward eternity. The secular world has always struggled with this after all we are just cosmic accidents. Morality: Christians have a focal point for Morality it is given to us by the creator through his caricature and his written word. It is consistent and applies to all human beings. For the secularist there is not continuity morality right and wrong are actually just a matter of opinion. Destiny: For Christians we were created to live forever, in either this world or the next, for us death is not an end but a new beginning. for the secularist? well you die and that's it and eventually man will be extinct and all of it was for nothing. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/18 at 07:00:59 Origin, Meaning, Morality and Destiny. Never seen it put like that. Those are the Big Questions , tho, aren't they? |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Serowbot on 07/12/18 at 08:21:24 Did you ever wonder,.. why God built the universe from the billions of galaxies to every single blade of grass, but he needed to dictate the bible. Is he illiterate?... Why not just go poof and make it appear like he did with everything else?... Did we find the one thing he's not good at?... You gotta' wonder... :-? |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/12/18 at 09:51:26 6472657860757863170 wrote:
The proving is in faith..... You can't even be honest, you do not wonder, why say that.....? You just wanna snark, YET, you hate others who employ the same technique. You gotta' wonder... :-? |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/12/18 at 10:32:03 25372320373133560 wrote:
Not sure why you're on a biking forum if you don't ride a bike![/quote] Well this is just plain cute..... You, a muck from down under, rabidly post any, and everything, about Trump, and you do not live in America...... ;D The irony escape you Dundee? |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MnSpring on 07/12/18 at 10:34:47 10031B06031505620 wrote:
Not sure why you're on a biking forum if you don't ride a bike![/quote] Well this is just plain cute..... You, a muck from down under, rabidly post any, and everything, about Trump, and you do not live in America...... ;D The irony escape you Dundee? [/quote] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Serowbot on 07/12/18 at 10:47:03 POV's from other parts of the world aren't welcome?... Is America the great ostrich farm?... There is a world out there ya'know... PS... Have you noticed Eau de Sauvage's avatar?.... ;D ;D ;D http://s9.postimg.cc/s2jp2w1n3/eau_de_sauvage.jpg |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/12/18 at 11:17:35 4751465B43565B40340 wrote:
You mean, non savages too.....WOW You are so open, and inclusive....... ::) Perhaps you should study up on irony too sweetie :-* |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MnSpring on 07/12/18 at 12:07:35 7365726F77626F74000 wrote:
Of course not. People from other countries, no problem about making a comment. 46544043545250350 wrote:
I did not know that, "...POV's ... ... aren't welcome..." if one does Not, have a M.C. ? Or if it is, not, LS-650/S-40 ? Or if it is one of 100+ variants of a LS-650/S-40.? Guess it's perfectly OK, for one to not live in a country, and slam it. Yet, when people point out, The irony, in the statement, "...Not sure why you're on a biking forum if you don't ride a bike! ..." In response to another POV. That is wrong. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MnSpring on 07/12/18 at 12:44:12 46544043545250350 wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL a Very old piece of propaganda full of lies, made by a person that Hates Freedom and Guns. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by MShipley on 07/12/18 at 13:34:43 6076617C64717C67130 wrote:
If you are not aware the Bible is not A book. it is a compilation of 66 books written over a 4,ooo year span of time to 40 plus authors. It tells the story of Gods' involvement in history and his pursuit of his creation. If it was poofed into existence at one time it would be a prophetic book of history to come, not a narrative of what people have seen and experienced, verifiable by those still living. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by Serowbot on 07/12/18 at 13:43:01 544A717069757C60190 wrote:
I guess people that read the "good book",... have the wrong book... ;D |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by faffi on 07/12/18 at 15:22:32 20332B36332535520 wrote:
Although I see religion as a folly and waste of time, I realize that not believing in a god of any sorts is also a belief; we simply do not know if none, one, many or all religions are true. All we can do is follow what makes sense to each and one of us. That said, I know a lot of so called Christians that I do not consider to be good people, just as I know many who are really good persons. It is important to note that what I consider to be good people may or may not coincide with what you think, and visa versa. |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by eau de sauvage on 07/12/18 at 18:34:09 3721362B33262B30440 wrote:
I guess people that read the "good book",... have the wrong book... ;D[/quote] There's 'the good book' then there's 'the better book'. Frank Zappa: Dumb All Over https://youtu.be/jUg3wshcuLI Whoever we are Wherever we're from We shoulda noticed by now Our behavior is dumb And if our chances Expect to improve It's gonna take a lot more Than tryin' to remove The other race Or the other whatever From the face Of the planet altogether They call it the earth Which is a dumb kinda name But they named it right 'cause we behave the same... We are dumb all over Dumb all over, Yes we are Dumb all over, Near 'n far Dumb all over, Black 'n white People, we is not wrapped tight Nurds on the left Nurds on the right Religious fanatics On the air every night Sayin' the bible Tells the story Makes the details Sound real gory 'bout what to do If the geeks over there Don't believe in the book We got over here You can't run a race Without no feet 'n pretty soon There won't be no street For dummies to jog on Or doggies to dog on Religious fanatics Can make it be all gone (I mean it won't blow up 'n disappear It'll just look ugly For a thousand years...) You can't run a country By a book of religion Not by a heap Or a lump or a smidgeon Of foolish rules Of ancient date Designed to make You all feel great While you fold, spindle And mutilate Those unbelievers From a neighboring state To arms! to arms! Hooray! that's great Two legs ain't bad Unless there's a crate They ship the parts To mama in For souvenirs: two ears (get down!) Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? ) The good book says: ("it gotta be that way!") But the better book says: "revenge the crusades... With whips 'n chains 'n hand grenades..." Two arms? two arms? Have another and another Our God says: "there ain't no other!" Our God says "it's all okay!" Our God says "this is the way!" It says in the book: "burn 'n destroy... 'n repent, 'n redeem 'n revenge, 'n deploy 'n rumble thee forth To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side 'cause they don't go for what's in the book 'n that makes 'em bad So verily we must choppeth them up And stompeth them down Or rent a nice french bomb To poof them out of existence While leaving their real estate just where we need it To use again For temples in which to praise our god ("cause he can really take care of business!") And when his humble tv servant With humble white hair And humble glasses And a nice brown suit And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls Tells us our God says It's okay to do this stuff Then we gotta do it, 'cause if we don't do it, We ain't gwine up to hebbin! (depending on which book you're using at the Time...can't use theirs... it don't work ...it's all lies...gotta use mine...) Ain't that right? That's what they say Every night... Every day... Hey, we can't really be dumb If we're just following god's orders Hey, let's get serious... God knows what he's doin' He wrote this book here An' the book says: He made us all to be just like him, " So... If we're dumb... Then God is dumb... (an' maybe even a little ugly on the side) |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/18 at 18:51:53 Zappa might not be who I would choose to guide my life. YMMV |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by raydawg on 07/12/18 at 19:59:53 746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
Jog..... You ever notice, everyone who tries, finishes, when you race to the bottom. ;) |
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Title: Re: Decline of White Christian America Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/18 at 06:41:08 A drug addled, boozed up musical genius isn't the guy I'd follow in my life's philosophical journey. But if someone else wants to hitch his wagon to the Pastor of the Church of Zappa and let Zappa be the spiritual leader, hey, I'll watch them. Yeah Ray, the list of entrants who are in the D.N.F. category in the race to the bottom is really short. |
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