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Title: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/17/18 at 05:28:34 Microsoft has dropped all support for XP Microsoft has dropped all support for the sub-systems that XP uses Google has dropped all future support for Chrome on any XP sub-systems and systems since MS is officially killing it off now. Why is this important? STEAM for example uses lots of Google bits and pieces ....... and they are all gonna stop working with XP fairly soon since Google has dropped it. Bad news is Linux is gonna start to get hampered working with XP for the same exact reasons. However, Linux as a single install software (no dual booting) is still working fine. Got one list member saying his XP dual boot isn't working (he can't find his XP) but it isn't a major thing because his Linux is still working fine. ONCE AGAIN ...... EVERYBODY NEEDS A BOOT DISK REPAIR CD OR THUMB DRIVE. EVERYBODY NEEDS THIS TOOL ....... sooner or later, you too will need it even if you don't use Linux. This same tool will give you a way back into Mickysoft (or it used to, anyway). Mickey would jest love to charge you for a brand new copy of Windows 10 rather than allow you get back into your own copy of their old OS systems (even if they actually did the evil deed to you on purpose last night during an update). Go here to get your boot disk repair stuff a) while it is still available and b) while it still works. https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/ ================================================== Eventually, you won't be able get your Windows XP or Vista back for love or money --- mainly because your are being "Mickey blocked" from doing so. :P Mickey wants your money ...... Final Solution then is to take your most current Linux Distro CD and stick in in your drive, reboot the machine and during the re-installtion steps tell it to take over the whole drive. Post if you have to do this --- and also post how you felt as you hit the "go" key. Example: the very first time I did this I felt anxious, the second time I felt "OK about it" and this last time just this past spring I felt relieved to get all the constantly aggravating Mickey shite off my machine. =================================================== Most all of you XP guys are dual booters for a while now, running Linux and using XP as your dual boot for Windows. Do not feel abandoned -- as long as you still have your original operating Microsoft Office DVD set you can install them on Linux using Wine which is available on your Linux distro's software repository. But, as most of you have been dual booting and using Linux for a long time now you are familiar with the Linux Libre Office software and that does the same jobs as Mickeysoft Office. I find Chrome and Firefox on Linux can do all normal internet functions and "working on the web" allows you to do most thing anyway. IF YOU HAVE NO LINUX LOADED ON YOUR MACHINE, you need to load one and get used to using it, or else kinda plan that Mickey is going to force you to upgrade to an expensive Win 10 machine sometime relatively soon. Mickey will do this by killing your XP (or some XP program that you need to use). ==================================================== Will Linux as a pure single install only OS on your old XP class machine continue to work out into the future? Yes, it will continue to work even better once you give it a clean "only OS on the machine" install on your still perfectly functional old hardware. Mickey actually slowed your old stuff down a good bit as it crudded up over time, with Mickey gone Linux works a lot smoother, quicker and better. Having Mickey stop supporting XP means something will quit working eventually in XP itself. All the Linux drivers were all written for XP class machines a long long time ago, and until Linus drops XP machines from the kernel (and that ain't gonna happen) Linux will run just as it has always run. Example, I currently run a 15 year old Core 2 duo Vista machine on pure single OS Linux Mint Mate and it runs just fine. Vista was dumped by Mickey long before XP itself was dumped as Vista was a flop failure in everybody's eyes. The hardware was fine though, and still runs very very well on Linux. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/18 at 06:57:17 My Ken Doll makes me smile. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/18 at 10:38:34 You know, Justin makes a point. Come Thanksgiving time the Amazon Fire tablets go on sale again for FAR LESS than a Win 10 license costs from the Mickeysoft Store. $50 on sale is about normal now-a-days for an 8" Fire Tablet. And I betcha if you bought a keyboard case for it that 8" Fire Tablet would flat out do it for a great many of the XP users here on the list ...... Or if $50 seems a little spendy to you considering you got decent enough hardware still sitting on your desk, you can get a Linux Mint Mate DVD from https://www.shoplinuxonline.com/mint.html for just $3 and just convert your existing hardware over to Linux. This is actually a pretty good deal if you don't have a DVD writer that works any more, but you have a working DVD reader on your machine. IF YOU HAVE DEAD DVD DRIVES or simply prefer to use a USB stick, you can buy those from these guys already ready to go in 32 bit or 64 bit versions. Cost is $14 for the loaded USB drive. Please make sure YOUR machine will boot off a USB drive before ordering, some early XP machines pre-date USB completely and won't boot off of a USB stick at all. https://www.osdisc.com/products/linux/linuxmint ....... key thing is to go get something and have it at your house before Mickey breaks your existing dual boot set up in an attempt to MAKE you go buy an new expensive Win 10 machine. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by raydawg on 06/18/18 at 12:06:03 What about a 2nd party back up provider? I am assuming your warning is for lost of EVERYTHING on our computers, yes? So if I use another subscription service, I can just go buy a new updated PC and have all the old data uploaded on to it, when this hammer falls, yes? |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/18 at 12:17:23 Raydawg, I was talking about the basic XP functionality stopping fairly abruptly with no further warnings, but in that sense you are right that unless your data itself is backed up in some fashion it too is at risk when the XP main backbone system simply quits working. If XP goes away suddenly, it takes all your stuff with it ...... Seeing that a 1 terabyte little USB hard drive only costs $50-60 there is no reason not to have your data by itself tucked away somewhere safe. Take Raydawg's point and get your precious data and your pics tucked away into a safe place, then plan a pathway to keep yourself functional and on-line going forward should your XP simply not work tomorrow morning. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by rl153 on 06/18/18 at 12:24:08 I downloaded the repair disc . Are there instructions on how to use it? Do I just insert the usb stick into the drive, then try to boot up? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/18 at 13:50:31 4F46554A4D4612111A1A230 wrote:
Stick it in, boot it up might not do anything on the older XP class machines. You will likely have to go into your F10 startup menu and change your default boot order to boot from USB before it boots from C: or DVD. USB booting was never a primary default on XP class machines because USB booting only became prevalent in the Win 7 era of things. Go to the F10 boot menu first and see if you got any complications to your machine when you try to put USB first in the boot order list. XP complications may exist to some forms of USB stuff, some older XP machines actually totally predate USB and there is no ability on these older machines to boot from USB sticks at all, period. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by oldNslow on 06/18/18 at 14:05:10 Question. How exactly will microsoft kill the XP partition on a dual boot machine as long as the XP partition is not ever connected to the internet ? I use chrome on the Linux side but never open chrome or ie on the rare occasions that I boot to XP. In fact I could probably uninstall both browsers on the XP side since I don't need them. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/18 at 14:10:44 Here is the rub --- if you ever let Mickey do anything to your XP machine, intentionally or not, they can change stuff on you. This includes letting Mickey fix a driver or handle a "security issue". If you keep Mickey totally away, you keep what you got as long as it keeps working naturally. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by rl153 on 06/18/18 at 14:12:17 I downloaded the 32 bit version , then cut and pasted it to a usb drive. . I tried f10 and booting from the usb drive , but it didnt work . oh well, |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by oldNslow on 06/18/18 at 14:20:33 0221292B282121283F4D0 wrote:
Thanks. Chrome and ie are going to get deep sixed on the XP side. And Micky aint touching sh*t over there if I can help it !. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/18 at 14:34:52 6E67746B6C6733303B3B020 wrote:
This stuff doesn't work by just moving files from different media types. You have to burn your OS boot capable (bootable OS files) following the rules for that media. =================================================== Do you have a working DVD/CD (a working read drive?) Is this drive set as #1 on your boot order in the F10 hit parade? If so I will send you a known working disc if you PM me your snail mail address. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by rl153 on 06/18/18 at 15:14:28 Thanks OF so much! I will PM it. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/18 at 16:10:40 Snail mail is crawling your way ........ United States Postal Service Tracer # is 9114901496451465447981 Which processor do you have inside that PC box? Reason I ask is most processors in any of the years in the recent past are actually 64 bit chipsets but Mickey was still putting 32 bit OS systems on them because Mickey was jest plain lazy and had a pipeline plumb full of 32 bit systems disks and other bits that still had to be sold. Linux doesn't care what strange things Mickey did --- if the processor is a 64 bit processor you should consider trying a 64 bit Linux version. It may get fouled up by some 32 bit components still soldered on the motherboard by a lazy PC maker, but you gotta at least know what processor you are using inside the box so as to say 32 bit or 64 bit. BTW. the CD inside the envelope doesn't care, it is doing a thing that is not 32/64 bit dependent. What you can do is post the model number and maker of the PC, we can find out what we need to know from that ...... |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Steve H on 06/18/18 at 18:37:19 OldNSlow: Make sure you turn off automatic updates also. Unfortunately there is not really any way to turn off the phone home functionality in XP. I guess it's possible they could get something in that way. If you ever have to change motherboards I wonder if they'll let you re-register your copy? it (XP) will force you to register again when the motherboard is changed. I've had to do that 3 or 4 times since I installed XP all those years ago. It's all part of their anti-piracy stuff. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by oldNslow on 06/18/18 at 19:28:16 445F06050403010E370 wrote:
Well, then it's going to be a contest to see which happens first; murder by micky, or some sort of hardware death. The drive on this thing isn't going to keep spinning forever. There is nothing on this machine that I care about losing except for photos, and I have multiple backups of those on CDs and flash drives. So when it croaks it croaks. I'll still have my Android tablet, and my wife has a brand new laptop with win10 on it, which I am slowly getting comfortable with. It's a shame though. I liked XP, and I'm happy with Linux Mint Mate 16. My computer needs are pretty simple in the overall scheme of things, and it irritates me to be forced to embrace someone else's idea of the latest and greatest just so the simple sh*t I want to use will still work. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/18 at 22:05:53 I like the simpler older machines. I like Linux Mint Mate. I count myself lucky to be able to find the occasional used high power business box from years past which I can buy for cheap then I load up my current Linux Mint Mate disc on it. Mint will do well on any Core 2 Duo or more modern Intel Chipset. Each year hundreds of these come off lease and are sold off for peanuts. $89 is the current low end rate to pick up a new full sized box (free shipping too). Why full sized Dell business boxes? Far less fan noise, better cooling at low noise levels and easier fine dust control (this is what kills the little flat pancake looking PC boxes, dust contamination leading to overheating and eventual processor fan death) I stick with burning DVDs and seem to be lucky keeping at least one machine in the house with a working DVD/CD read write drive. Note my system for dust control ---- once or twice a year I use the suck tube on the vacuum to pull all the the dust out of the air filter. Cat hair, dander and dust is what eventually kills a computer. This is what stops dust, dander and cat hair from getting inside your box (this will happen up on the desk top too, just takes a little longer). looks like I need to clean that sucker again ...... need to check the furnace filters too |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/18/18 at 22:43:57 https://liliputing.com/2018/06/steam-to-end-support-for-windows-xp-and-vista.html http://https://liliputing-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/steam-680x411.jpg At the tag end of all the death and gloom, a little ray of sunshine. Steam will continue to work on Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10 for the foreseeable future. But if you don’t want to replace your aging Windows XP machine with one running a newer version of Microsoft’s operating system, Steam is also available for Ubuntu and other GNU/Linux distributions. Yep, my Linux Mint Mate box still runs Steam for Linux just fine, years and years after the "official death date for XP" was announced by Mickey and now even after Steam announces its "official death date for XP". So far, Linux Never Dies. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by rl153 on 06/19/18 at 13:08:02 Hey OF , thanks for mailing that. I was tied up today, sorry for the delay. My machine is an E machine T6524 AMD Althon 64 processor 2.2 GHZ 2000 MHZ FSB. Its about 13 years old, I added 2 gigs of Ram and mechanically its running fine. Im not sure the DVD still has drivers with the Linux installed but it was running good before. I have a driver recovery disc that I made along time ago . Thanks again!! |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/18 at 13:26:08 An AMD Athlon 64 2.2 ghz is a 64 bit chipset (second generation). You should be using 64 bit Linux versions. Once again, to the disk that is coming from me it makes no difference, since it is dealing with boot sectors and such that aren't affected by 32/64 bit. That disk is simply going to see if you still have a Windows partition and it will automatically hook it back to the GRUB table that you used to see when you booted the device (same table that Mickey deleted). |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by rl153 on 06/19/18 at 13:30:14 Your kidding. What should I do? The specs say 32 bit. I can order a new copy of linux , but what version should I order? Will the 32 bit linux Im running cause a problem ? Its Mint Mate 16. It says petra on the homepage somewhere. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by rl153 on 06/19/18 at 13:35:08 Is the recovery program complicated to use? Its always something. Thanks anyhow! |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/19/18 at 13:44:04 What specs are you talking about? Win XP specs ??? ---- you leave that stuff alone since Mickey was playing all sorts of games all the time with their pet vendors acting in cahoots with them. Intel did not even have a 64 bit chipset at all back then, only AMD was the only one shipping real 64 bit processors and Wintel as a group lied to the public a whole lot back then about what they were actually doing during that era. Win XP wasn't a real 64 bit OS until Service Pack 2 completely matured at rev. 4 ...... and that was like more than halfway through the total XP period of time. You can load a 32 bit Linux and it will work OK ...... but not optimally. This is apparently what you were led to do back in the past. Changing that mistake now is something you don't want to do right now since it will likely break your XP. LATER ON, ONCE YOU GET PAST HAVING TO USE MS WINDOWS, XP, MICKEY MOUSE AND ANY OF HIS LITTLE "MANGY MICE" VENDOR BASED STUFF THEN YOU CAN GO LOAD A REAL 64 BIT OPERATING SYSTEM AS YOUR ONLY OS. LINUX IS A NATURAL 64 BIT OPERATING SYSTEM AND THAT SHOULD WORK JUST FINE WITH YOUR AMD ATHLON 64 BIT 2ND GENERATION PROCESSOR. LINUX HAS ALL THE SUPPORT DRIVERS FOR YOUR E-MACHINE SUBSYSTEMS ALREADY SITTING IN THE KERNEL TREE. For now, keep it simple ....... USE THE KISS PRINCIPLE Keep your life simple and just do this ....... Step #1 is to get the disk I sent you, put it in the CD drive and turn the machine off, wait 5 seconds and turn it back on and let it boot completely off the CD. This can take up to 10-15 minutes as it goes through all sorts of various hardware and software discovery routines as it boots up. If it works as expected, you will see some stuff that will ask you some questions and by your answers it will configure a new GRUB (grand unified bootloader) for you, then it will tell you to take the disk out and reboot the machine which will then run off the brand new GRUB menu system to offer you your choice of OS at boot time. Keep the CD handy, you will have to use it again as Mickey will break your GRUB bootloader about once a year (on purpose no less as Mickey keeps on thinking Linux is bootleg software and is "unauthorized" to be on "their" machine). Stop, don't try to fix anything and make your problems worse ...... just take a deep breath and wait for the CD to get there. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by rl153 on 06/19/18 at 13:49:22 Sounds good, pretty cool. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/21/18 at 14:07:20 rl153 has gotten his disk and is gonna try it tonight ..... everybody cross fingers that his XP installation is still there, just masked and hidden by some fairly dubious Mickey Mischief. Try #1 failed to recover anything. This is bad, Mickey is apparently mebbe removing chunks of XP rather than just fouling up the boot loader. Or else he had a sector death on the hard drive that has taken out a chunk of stuff. Remember to do a full hard drive scan as you reformat that hard drive if you go for a reload of any OS system. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by rl153 on 06/23/18 at 15:11:16 All set, thanks for your help! Running good now! |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Papa Bear on 06/23/18 at 17:03:06 I suppose next you are going to tell me my 3.1 is on it's way out ... :P (Where did I put that new 3.2 update floppy) My rotten kid got 18.04 in this machine and I'm cruisin' ;) This post is brought to you by the letter "u" |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Eegore on 06/24/18 at 06:40:04 Why are people still using XP anyway? I can't think off the top of my head of any regularly used programs that won't run on a modern OS. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/24/18 at 06:45:59 Let's see, because they like it and they are now retired and not rolling in the copious pesos ....... Because on this list we help each other out, whenever we can ...... Eegore, what do you consider a modern OS to be? What is the changeover point, in your eyes? |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Eegore on 06/25/18 at 14:38:13 I change OS every time I buy a new PC as they come pre-installed, so a new OS is whenever the manufacturer makes a new one. I may like the old one better but the time spent learning the new one is shorter for me than the time spent trying to get older ones compatible. I thought Windows 8, or one of them was free for some time. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/26/18 at 10:10:52 So, how often do you go buy a new PC? |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Eegore on 06/26/18 at 10:36:30 On an as-needed basis. I bought 12 Dell laptops for employees, bought 1 server early last year and maybe 3 or 4 towers I cant recall. Personally I upgrade at least every other year for home use. To clarify for an OS it seems they update regularly, like every few months so I don't buy a new PC for each update, just when the hardware is outdated. My definition of hardware being outdated is when another version is available. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/26/18 at 20:57:22 Based on your responses, I think you likely have no real idea of the realities of "OS replacement" issues, forced Microsoft "old OS phase out issues" or anything much else of the world of those who don't buy new hardware by the dozens every few years. Asking why some people would want to keep a working OS along with the hardware that they currently own may simply mean that this entire subject is pretty much foreign to you. :) |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Eegore on 06/27/18 at 10:42:28 It will continue to be foreign as long as people don't answer. To me its simple. People keep XP on their PC's but I do not know why. You said because "they like it" That makes sense to me as liking something is an idea I am familiar with. I don't know why the frequency of computer purchases would prohibit one from understanding the concept of liking things. I also understand that financially it is cheaper to maintain a current OS than it is to upgrade, except in circumstances where the upgrade is free. I don't understand why the frequency of computer purchases would prohibit one from understanding the concept of cost, cost management and the difference between higher and lower parameters of an item that costs money, pesos or otherwise. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by oldNslow on 06/27/18 at 12:44:17 Quote:
Because the computer I have XP and Linux Mint 16 on has neither a fast enough processor, large enough Hard drive, or enough memory to run win 10. It however, runs as flawlessly as a computer can and is entirely capable of doing everything that I need a computer for, and I don't see any reason to sh*t-can it and buy new hardware just so that I can use a new OS that I don't actually like very much anyway. When this machine finally fails and is not worth fixing, I will replace it. It's just a tool. As long as it does what I need it to do I'll keep using it; Just like my cars, my lawnmowers, my snowblower, my firearms and my motorcycles. I don't discard and replace stuff just for the sake of having the newest iteration of whatever that stuff is, as long as what I've got serves the purpose. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/27/18 at 13:55:16 Speaking of memory amounts and processor speeds, the new generation of Snapdragon laptops will support (and some will actually come with) 8-16 gigabytes of systems memory and 128-258 gigabytes of on-machine SSD drive storage. That is a MAJOR MAJOR increase in on-board capabilities ...... and the only reason they would ever need this amount of resources are that Windows 10 and some of the Windows programs out there really are Blue Whale Class data pigs. Contrast please, the requirements for the upcoming Mint Mate 19 which will be released within 30 days ---- System requirements: 1GB RAM (2GB recommended for a comfortable usage). 15GB of disk space (20GB recommended). 1024×768 resolution (on lower resolutions, press ALT to drag windows with the mouse if they don’t fit in the screen). These Linux versions will run on older XP class machines. 32 bit versions are available if you have an older Intel processor (pre-64 bit). =================================================== Reality check on some new phone tech headed into PC land I have a brand new "cheapie" midrange $199 Google Fi Moto G6 phone coming to me by Fed Ex as we speak because my old one died. It has 3 gigs of systems memory and 32 gigs of fast on-motheboard systems memory. My phone has an 8 core ARM processor running each core at 1.9 ghz and it can be capacity bumped using a new current fastest class of micro-SD memory by up to 128 gigabytes of extra addressable systems memory. I have an $18 (delivered cost) 64 gigabyte version of the fastest current sort of these improved micro-SD cards coming to me along with the phone. https://liliputing.com/2018/06/next-gen-sd-cards-to-support-up-to-128tb-of-storage-985-mb-s-speeds.html This is new for next year, so don't get too excited just yet. Supposedly my total of 96 gigs of augmented systems memory will be completely usable for Android apps, maps, pics and anything else. We shall see how good this new augmented systems memory stuff really is. I will also see how easy it is to access the stuff stored on that augmented systems memory as pulling stuff back off of an old style conjoined SSD set up wasn't always all that easy to do. Operationally, Google Fi will operate my phone first (automatically) off of any non-restricted or "contract" WiFi that is currently in range, and failing that it can run off of cell data towers from Sprint, T-Mobile, and U.S. Cellular but this is cell data is charged against my normal data plan. How good is the WiFi service level that the Fi phone can go find by itself? If I find I am ever using cell tower data, I can check the system utility app to see what WiFi sources it shows out there AND I can also check the new Google Datally App to see what new sharing agreements Google now has inked with other hot spot providers such as Time Warner Cable, Charter, etc. Datally shows me and the Fi system connects instantly to these "agreement" sources giving me "free data" again just about everywhere we go. Generally, the phone finds them by itself and requires no attention from me unless "locked on" roaming is taking place (AT&T towers are especially bad about still using this nasty old school 2G tower trick). I went to the University Mall area in Chapel Hill this past Thursday and my wife's phone automatically found over 30 completely free WiFi sources of which a varying 10 were all bars or mostly bars as we walked around the place. The Fi phone she has (last year's Moto X) popped between different WiFi sources seamlessly and she used no cell tower data at all while we were at the place. While we were at Mo's last year my phone found Mo's WiFi and had it listed and fully operational before Mo could even offer me the password. I thanked Mo and rolled on, not needing to explain to her that her WiFi is actually Google listed as an "open WiFi source" since she has been giving out the password for years now as free. Me, I pay $15 a month and generally get refunded $12-13 worth of my 1 gig minimum because I use mostly free WiFi data. Sometimes I find I am using AT&T or Verizon cell towers, which gets me roaming charges and makes me shut it off until I can get to civilization and a McDonalds or a Hardees or a Burger King again. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Majorfatboy on 06/27/18 at 15:58:42 Those of us Windows seven users are in for some trouble as well. Seeing more and more small game devs specifying Win10 in the minimum system requirements, and just got an email from Oculus saying they're going to make Win10 the minimum req' for their software as well. It claims I should still be able to use the hardware, but accessing newer software from their client shop might be a problem. I have Win10 on My tablet, despise it, and Win10 has some pretty bad compatibility issues with older games. So I'm left with keeping My system of nearly seven years as it is, and with it the ability to run all of My software, OR... Switching it to Win10 just to run a few modern titles, loose compatibility with older games, and be plunged into the maddening hell of Win10's hardware / software support problems, it's nagging, nanny-state updating system that takes far to much effort to cripple, it's forced bloatware that can only be removed by way of obscure powershell commands, the ever present worry of "cortana"... ...I think I'll just stick with seven for a while longer, VR be darned. Besides, I have My Sega Genesis set up just a few feet from Me, and My Commodore 64 isn't far either. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Eegore on 06/27/18 at 18:16:09 Why would you need to switch to a modern system instead of owning both? I imagine the resale value of a used 7 year old PC is so low that it can't add much to the purchase of the updated system. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Oldfeller on 06/28/18 at 01:59:52 624240485542270 wrote:
Are you suggesting having multiple gaming PCs hanging around the house? Or something else? |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Eegore on 06/28/18 at 05:23:44 I am asking why there is only an option of owning a 7 year old computer, or a new one instead of owning both. Similar to owning a Sega Genesis and a Commodore 64 instead of owning one or the other. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Majorfatboy on 06/28/18 at 11:39:31 My fault for being unclear; Although I built My system about seven years ago, I have none the less kept the hardware up to date; An SSD to boot and load main programs from, a big honkin' EVGA Nvidia gtx 1070 hybrid graphics card with a beefier power supply to match, a Startech USB 3.0 control card to support the Rift, The Rift itself, a bluray burner, memory card reader, etc. I even broke down a year or so ago and updated Win7 to sp1. I suppose My train of thought was just on the OS itself, why change it if it does most of what I need it to. As for "why not both?", aside from the cost (I am as the song goes: A man of means by no means), if the only reason currently for a win10 system is to fiddle with some new vr games, well, I like that stuff, but I don't think I like goofing-off with vr enough to justify a dedicated system for it. I probably wasted to much of My youth on video games anyways. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Eegore on 06/28/18 at 14:10:37 Makes sense. I spent 90% of my youth on women and beer, and I wasted the other 10%. |
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Title: Re: XP users, ya got problems coming at ya Post by Steve H on 07/04/18 at 17:41:44 I have to go along with what others have said. It just works, why change it if it does what I need it to do with no problems? I've got plenty of hard drive space, memory, a decent video card. I don't need anything more to surf the 'net, word processing, small spreadsheets and watch videos. My system will in no way satisfactorily run Windows 10...it'd be a far stretch to run Win 8 on it. What will this new OS give me that what I already have won't? It requires much more machine to perform slower than what I have. It introduces all sorts of incompatibilities and problems when the forced upgrades come around. It routinely forces upgrades of peripherals due to dropping support for established, working hardware. It spies on me and everything I do. I don't know but I bet it would be almost impossible to operate it without a high speed internet connection. When mine dies or becomes unuseable due to Microsoft and their partners forcing everyone to drop support for the older OS's, I'll just run Linux which will work with and do everything I need whether on new hardware or old. Just like my 15 year old car, it gets me from A to B and is utterly reliable and in good condition. It has depreciated basically as much as it's going to. Insurance is cheaper. Taxes are way cheaper.Why change? I am not a person of means by any measure, in fact, I live right at the poverty line. but if I saw a great benefit to having a newer Win 10 system, I would get one. I just see no advantage for my intended uses over what I have. |
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