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Message started by Smudger on 06/01/18 at 18:22:41

Title: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Years
Post by Smudger on 06/01/18 at 18:22:41

Anyone have recommendations for getting a S40 engine (2006, 650) started after sitting for 5 years? Obviously, battery and spark plug, but what about cleaning out gas tank and old oil from case?

Any other tings I should do before attempting a start?
Don't intend to ride it, just want to get it started before I invest $$ in a complete RYCA rebuild.

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Dave on 06/01/18 at 18:46:08

Been there....done that.

Don't drain the oil or change the filter - just check the level and leave it alone until you get it running. Taking the old filter out will require the engine to run without any oil as it fills the empty filter housing and filter. It is better to get it started and get oil flowing immediately.

Definitely drain anything that is in the tank and get rid of it. You don't want to use any fuel that is older than the cottage cheese in your fridge!

If the fuel tank is clean inside, you may be able to leave it alone.

Wash the bike if it is dirty, take care to clean any dirt/crud away form the spark plug area, and remove the spark plug. Spray Sta-Bil Fogging Oil into the cylinder and replace the spark plug. Rotate the engine over a few revolutions if possible by removing the timing cover on the left side of the engine, and rotate it with a 17mm socket in the same direction as the wheels turn when the bike is going forward.

Remove the front (exhaust) valve inspection cap and spray some form of oil into the head to lubricate the cam and rockers. Don't use WD40 or any light oil - use something with some thickness to it. (The Fogging oil is better than nothing). There is a small rectangular well under the cam that retains oil and lubes the cam at the startup - if you can get some motor oil in there it is the best protection for the cam/rockers....use a squeeze bottle with a 6" length of tubing.

If your fuel tank was clean you may try the petcock to see if fuel flows. Put fresh fuel in the tank, turn the petcock to PRI, and open the drain screw on the bottom of the float bowl and see if anything flows out. If it does and it looks clean - close the petcock.

You obviously are going to need a new battery.

Then.....see if it will run!

If it starts and runs.....you can change the oil and filter after it is running a few minutes.

The test ride will let you know if you need to clean the carb.

Good luck!

Here is the link to the bike I brought out of storage.
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1440293732

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/01/18 at 19:44:42

That's how you fire one up after sitting.
Good thing you asked.

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Ruttly on 06/01/18 at 21:47:13

Flush fuel system and fresh fuel. I prefer about 10 to 15 drops of Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinder and let it sit at least over night or a day or two. Fresh air filter. Change oil & filter after it runs and a fresh spark plug.
Then hit the road , RSD !

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/01/18 at 22:48:27

Why does it need a spark plug?

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by jcstokes on 06/01/18 at 23:53:00

JOG has a valid point, unless the plug is worn, corroded or gummed up check the gap and use it. A little carbon/soot may wash off with petrol. If your start up and initial oil change are successful, why not ride it before you start your project and commit money to it?

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Dave on 06/02/18 at 02:43:35

785F5E5E46532A0 wrote:

Marvel Mystery oil is fine - so is the Sta-Bil Fogging oil....just don't start it with a dry cylinder. Use the old plug so you don't get a new one all cruddy for this first start.

If the RYCA you are looking at is a Cafe' bike - read this before you buy a rear tire.......a 130/70-18 tire should not be installed on a 2.50x18 rim, as the tire is too wide. Either use a 120/80-18 tire....or get a 3.50x18 rim if you want the 130/70 tire.
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1435340395

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Smudger on 06/02/18 at 08:20:57

Dave, et. al., THANK YOU ALL! Please keep the suggestions coming.
I read Dave's restoration thread, great stuff. I am feeling much more confident now and will go ahead and purchase the bike. I'll be working on it, slowly, over the summer, in between my road trips on my Indian. Then, if all goes well, plan to begin the RYCA build as a winter project.

Glad I asked and glad I joined the forum. Looking forward to learning from everyone and adding to my limited experience.

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by hotrod on 06/02/18 at 13:06:36

Just start one cylinder at a time. ;D

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Smudger on 06/02/18 at 19:20:00

674E42424A5D1E2F0 wrote:

Just start one cylinder at a time. ;D

Oh yeah, right. Forgot to ask. Which one first - the one in the front, or the one in the back? :)

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by jcstokes on 06/02/18 at 22:25:43

No, the one in the middle.

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Ruttly on 06/03/18 at 10:51:31

5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:

Why does it need a spark plug?

Maybe it needs it and maybe it doesn't , but if I'm taking it out I would be installing a new , correct , properly gapped plug. One thing less to worry about , one more thing to be sure of !

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Smudger on 04/10/21 at 19:23:19

UPDATE:
Can't believe 3 years have past since I OP'd this thread. Never did buy the 2006 Boulevard S40. Other things got in the way. Well today the neighbor who owned it was moving. The bike still sat in same place as in 2016, the last time it ran. Well, she saw me leaving in my truck and flagged me down. She offered the bike to me FREE. Signed title over to me, gave me the keys and said "good luck". Now I have the bike - which is restorable and repairable. Only 5107 miles on it, original owner, all original parts and paint.

So I am back to first tasks, be sure engine isn't frozen, get it running, then begin tear down and rebuild. Problem, I'm not sure RYCA is offering the RR-1 Kit anymore. They have changed there business direction. No response yet to my email to them.

Anyone know what's going on with them?
Anyone have suggestions on other build kits? (Not Cafe racer - bobber or other).

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/11/21 at 10:39:56

Get oil in the cylinder before you rake the rings up and down it.

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by oldNslow on 04/11/21 at 14:01:37

Quote:

Problem, I'm not sure RYCA is offering the RR-1 Kit anymore. They have changed there business direction. No response yet to my email to them.

Anyone know what's going on with them?
Anyone have suggestions on other build kits? (Not Cafe racer - bobber or other).

I'm pretty sure RYCA is out of that business.

If you are looking for a kit you might try this place: https://bluecollarbobbers.com/explore-kits/suzuki-kits/

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Dave on 04/11/21 at 19:08:19

RYCA was selling off their inventory last year - they got out of the business of making motorcycle parts and kits. Last I saw they were looking for investors for some kind of design illustration software they were making or marketing....or something like that.

As oldNslow suggested - you might see if Blue Collar Bobbers has something you like.

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/12/21 at 05:48:27

6C575A4D5C504B4D565E534C3F0 wrote:
As oldNslow suggested - you might see if Blue Collar Bobbers has something you like.

Or you might try rolling your own. If I knew then what I know now, I would have only purchased the rear-sets from RYCA. Several members have built their own rear-sets and mid-controls (depending on style of bike). I'd spend a few days going through the build threads for inspiration.

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Smudger on 04/12/21 at 18:04:43

Thanks. I've been through all the threads, made notes, etc. I'm now thinking pf a fully completed Voodoo Vintage hardtail. I just don't know how much further fabricating, welding, drilling, etc. may be needed, but I'll be calling them soon. I can wrench but am not a welder (nor the equipment). Got a 1-car garage woodshop to work in, and the time (retired). LOL . . . my biggest hurdle is the wife. She was pretty emphatic about not having another motorcycle (own an Indian).

All chrome is in great shape, wheels too. Need to work to get it started and running before I commit to modifications.

Here's the acquisition, washed after sitting outside for 8 years . . . (2006 S40)

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Dave on 04/13/21 at 05:15:07

Get it running and ride it for a bit before you decide what changes you want to make.

The VooDoo does require a lot of fabricating from what I remember in other threads, and the ground clearance is an issue as the frame is really low under the engine......and I remember seeing the long chain and getting it to not slap and rub is an issue during the fabrication. I believe that using this option will result in a bike that you seldom ride......comfort and smooth riding are not the strong points of this frame. I can't remember any forum member getting their bike turned into a VooDoo and them continuing to be an active member - they just seem to disappear.

Title: Re: Recommendations for S40 Engine Sitting for 5 Y
Post by Zepp on 04/13/21 at 05:36:32

320C1405060413610 wrote:

I did bought my a 2000 Savage, sitting at last for 6 years, for no money at all.. 2000 dollars about! :-?

In anyway.. take a chanse, I thought.. I could always put in some more money to make the engin restored?

At last I got it, and I have to drive it home, frome the local storage!
After that i got new tires, new tubes, new oil and new oilfilter, to be safe.. at my local MC shop!

Its this, even as it was probably storaged in a warm garage for 6 years, befor I bouhgt it, what about the formar owners, I think they only polisch it, and/ or used it to drive to the church on Sundays? :o

In any way.. you still have to start the engin, to understand if its working/if there is water in your oil/fuel/if your petkock is clogged/if there is rust in your tank/if your carburator is clogged/ a lot of other things!

You have no alternative then to start the engin?

Check the oil at leaste, and thats even have some issues, the bike schould stay straight on level ground, then it should stay upright, befor one check the oil gauge on the right side of the engin!

Easy for you to do, let somebody to climb the bike and hold it.. stright up!