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Title: GGWAG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/18 at 06:39:08 One more time liberals continue to mock the “good guy with a gun” argument, evidence to the contrary continues to mount. This time it comes from the Oklahoma City Police Department, the city’s mayor and local media: https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/05/25/ok-city-police-bystander-with-a-pistol-took-out-shooter-who-opened-fire-in-restaurant-translation-good-guy-with-a-gun/ https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/05/25/ok-city-police-bystander-with-a-pistol-took-out-shooter-who-opened-fire-in-restaurant-translation-good-guy-with-a-gun/ |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by WebsterMark on 05/25/18 at 07:08:42 -- May 3, 2017, Arlington, Texas: James Jones went to the Zona Caliente sports bar and began yelling incoherently. When the manager, Cesar Perez, went to talk to him and calm him down, Jones pulled out a gun and shot Perez dead, then started shooting wildly at patrons. Luckily, a concealed carry holder happened to be having dinner at Zona Caliente with his wife that night. He shot Jones dead before anyone else was hurt. -- Aug. 7, 2016, Linndale, Ohio: Two men getting into their car in a Dollar Store parking lot were held up by a masked armed robber. As the gunman, Varshaun Stephen Dukes, was rifling through one of the men's pockets, the other pulled out his concealed handgun and told him to stop. The robber fired at the man but missed. The concealed carry permit holder shot back, putting a .45 bullet in the robber's brain. (Naturally, he survived.) All of this was captured on the Dollar Store's surveillance camera, so no charges were brought against the armed citizen. -- June 26, 2016, Lyman, South Carolina: Jody Ray Thompson opened fire in the crowded Playoffz nightclub, injuring three. But before he could kill anyone, he was shot in the leg by a club patron with a concealed carry license. Police arrested Thompson without further incident and no one died. May 31, 2015, Conyers, Georgia: After arguing with a liquor store clerk, Jeffrey Scott Pitts returned with a gun and began shooting at everyone in the store, killing two. Todd Scott, who was there to buy a six-pack, returned fire. The crazed gunman fled, went home and shot his parents. "He was very surprised that he was not the only one in the store with a gun," Scott said. Apart from the two people killed in Pitts' opening barrage, no one died. Scott saved the lives of everyone else in that store. -- July 24, 2014, Darby, Pennsylvania: Felon and psychiatric patient Richard Plotts pulled out a gun at Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital, murdered his caseworker and wounded his psychiatrist, Dr. Lee Silverman. He would have kept shooting -- Plotts had 39 more bullets -- but the doctor pulled out his own gun and fired back, in violation of the hospital's no-guns rule. No one else died. -- Jan. 11, 2014, Portland, Oregon: After being turned away from a strip club in Portland, repeat felon Thomas Elliott Hjelmeland came back, wearing a clown mask, guns blazing. He hit a waitress, a security guard and a patron before a bouncer, concealed carry permit holder Jonathan Baer, returned fire and ended the attack. No one died. -- Dec. 16, 2012, San Antonio, Texas: Jesus Manuel Garcia began shooting at the Santikos Mayan Palace movie theater from a nearby restaurant and continued shooting as he walked toward the theater. An armed off-duty cop shot Garcia four times, stopping the attack. No one died. -- March 25, 2018, Boiling Springs, South Carolina: Jesse Gates kicked in a side door of the Southside Freewill Baptist Church during services, raised his gun to shoot -- but was grabbed and held at gunpoint by the reverend's grandson, a concealed carry permit holder. No one was hurt. Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright said, "I like the fact that a concealed weapons permit holder was prepared to protect the worshipers." |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by LostArtist on 05/25/18 at 09:11:08 nice anecdotes |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by Serowbot on 05/25/18 at 09:51:43 Those countries without guns or mass shootings must really envy us... :-? |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by WebsterMark on 05/25/18 at 10:18:18 They do. That's why they come here. |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by MnSpring on 05/25/18 at 10:25:39 4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:
"...With gun restrictions making it harder to obtain private weapons in the UK, violent crimes involving guns have greatly decreased. The number of total violent crimes, however, is almost double that of the US..." https://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/violent-crime-us-abroad/ "...Using the FBI numbers, the violent crime rate fell 48% between 1993 and 2016. Using the BJS data, the rate fell 74% during that span. Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data..." http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/30/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/ "...Older data suggests that gun violence might have been even more widespread previously..." "...This decline in gun violence is part of an overall decline in violent crime..." "...the national rate of violent crime has decreased 49 percent since its apex in 1991. Even as a certain type of mass shooting is apparently becoming more frequent, America has become a much less violent place..." And LOOK, where this info is From ! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7cd023ec609c "...It is important to note that in the states that allow open carry, violent crime was 23 percent lower, the murder rate was 5 percent lower, the aggravated assault rate was 23 percent lower and robbery rates were 36 percent lower...” http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/oct/09/matt-gaetz/violent-crime-lower-states-open-carry/ And LOOK AGAIN, where this Info is from. Which they rate as 1/2 true, that really had to hurt. LOLOLOL |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by MnSpring on 05/25/18 at 10:26:45 655750414657407F534059320 wrote:
A-Yep !!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/18 at 18:55:33 183B27201526203D2720540 wrote:
Wow, That's what you do so you can pretend it's not true. Throw that spare tire away Cut the seatbelts You don't have fire extinguishers do you? Be the easiest victim you can be. Otherwise you insult everyone. |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by LostArtist on 05/29/18 at 15:44:08 5C6E69787F6E79466A79600B0 wrote:
no, they actually aren't coming here.... well, wait... who are you thinking of???? |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by LostArtist on 05/29/18 at 15:44:49 5E4147405D5A6B5B6B53414D06340 wrote:
Wow, That's what you do so you can pretend it's not true. Throw that spare tire away Cut the seatbelts You don't have fire extinguishers do you? Be the easiest victim you can be. Otherwise you insult everyone. [/quote] no, I'm not denying that they are true, just statistically meaningless. deal with it. |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/18 at 19:52:19 It's very relevant. That you can't understand why is sad. Deal with it. |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by WebsterMark on 05/30/18 at 04:44:47 71524E497C4F49544E493D0 wrote:
Wow, That's what you do so you can pretend it's not true. Throw that spare tire away Cut the seatbelts You don't have fire extinguishers do you? Be the easiest victim you can be. Otherwise you insult everyone. [/quote] no, I'm not denying that they are true, just statistically meaningless. deal with it. [/quote] "Mass school shootings per year" is statistically meaningless in the big picture. (Far more kids are killed texting and driving but no one's calling for a cell phone ban.) To the people who are alive today, those anecdotes were pretty darn meaningful. |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/18 at 08:19:12 Ouch. And these little cutesy stories about a good guy saving others might not be Statistically significant, unless you happen to be one of the people protected from a bad guy. Or a friend or family. Or maybe the child who Will be born, because someone saved your future mom or dad. It's NOT WHAT YOU WANT, so it's statistically irrelevant. It's okay for cops to carry guns. They are JUST PEOPLE, not made of anything special. Not smarter than average, just people. But THEY should Bring a gun and save you. You shouldn't have your own. That's gutless |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by MnSpring on 05/30/18 at 09:12:55 4D5254534E4978487840525E15270 wrote:
"...But THEY should Bring a gun and save you...." Their was a saying: ‘Dial 911, a cop is only 15 minuets away’ Which is STILL, True today ! "...You shouldn't have your own. That's gutless..." Reminds me of a Sign that someone gave to me, when I started my, (GASP), Gun shop. It said: ‘I Don’t Dial 911’. ‘bought a year later, I had some wide masking tape, and wrote with a big black marker: “Till After” Then taped it to the end of the sign. That got Many More comments, then the original one. (ALL GOOD) |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/18 at 09:48:26 We've seen How Many teachers killed or wounded by jumping between a shooter and the children? Why not ALLOW them to get trained and carry? At least They would Be there, instead of bravely taking a position behind their CAR. |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by verslagen1 on 05/30/18 at 10:14:04 The last one took 3 bullets and still managed to tackle the perp. I think teacher/security deserves a pay raise. Hero's shielded only by love just doesn't cut it. |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by LostArtist on 05/30/18 at 10:32:10 637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
apparently you have no idea how statistics work, sad. |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/18 at 10:41:59 I KNOW how stats work. That you would declare saving lives irrelevant is disturbing. What ever happened to But if it Saves Just One? As mentioned The number of dead can be made insignificant. Look at car wreck Look at how many people die because of the doctor The fact that the murderous rampages Can be mitigated and resisted is beyond question. That anyone would be against allowing people to defend themselves is unconscionable. When do you admit you're wrong? Where do shooters go? To school. Why? Have to ask them. But since it's a known target How about offering a real defense. The IGNORANT SIGNS DIDN'T WORK. So, EVERYONE who Thought the signs were a good answer, Sit down STFU Your batting average has made you and your Opinions Irrelevant. |
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Title: Re: GGWAG Post by MnSpring on 05/30/18 at 11:01:23 6E4D51566350564B5156220 wrote:
Long time ago was told: 'Statistics are like a 'lady of the night', Once you lay them down, you can do ANYTHING You want.' |
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