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Message started by Serowbot on 05/22/18 at 09:53:02

Title: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by Serowbot on 05/22/18 at 09:53:02

EPA bars AP, CNN from summit on contaminants
"Guards barred an AP reporter from passing through a security checkpoint inside the building. When the reporter asked to speak to an EPA public-affairs person, the security guards grabbed the reporter by the shoulders and shoved her forcibly out of the EPA building."

If your 2nd amendment is for what you say it is,... it may be time to get your militia in gear...
:-?

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/22/18 at 10:26:55

your 2nd amendment is for what you say it is,... it may be time to get your militia in

What do you say it is?

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by Serowbot on 05/22/18 at 10:40:08

I say it is an antiquated ideal, that's time has passed...
Both by technology, and circumstances...

2nd amendment supporters say it is to defend citizens against government overreach...
Barring the press is government overreach,.. is it not?

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by WebsterMark on 05/22/18 at 11:01:52

I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's more to this story than was reported.

Just because someone is a reporter or claims to be one, doesn't mean they act with impunity, without consequences.

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by Serowbot on 05/22/18 at 11:14:18

How sturdy do you think that limb is?... ;D

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by WebsterMark on 05/22/18 at 11:28:11

Let's see, sturdier than that CNN and AP limb that said Trump called all immigrants animals....!

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by LostArtist on 05/22/18 at 12:44:37

1A282F3E39283F002C3F264D0 wrote:

Let's see, sturdier than that CNN and AP limb that said Trump called all immigrants animals....!

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by Serowbot on 05/22/18 at 13:01:31

Correct,.. one statement does not a racist make.
Trump has shown persistence... he has a cumulative record of racist remarks and actions...
His supporters make excuses upon excuses,... isn't it sad they have to...
It's clear that he went for the ugly side of human nature for votes... bringing out the worst in his supporters.
Putin and his Russian hacker factory helped specifically with the racial discord.
Pure ugliness.

On the other hand,... he isn't that respectful of anyone except Putin and Ivanka...
(and a little too unfatherly familiar with Ivanka)... ::)

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by WebsterMark on 05/22/18 at 13:37:50

1B3824231625233E2423570 wrote:

[quote author=1A282F3E39283F002C3F264D0 link=1527007982/0#5 date=1527013691]Let's see, sturdier than that CNN and AP limb that said Trump called all immigrants animals....!

yeah, he called them rapists and murders and drug dealers and they were from nuts hole places and, and, and, and ....

at some point, you gotta look at it all and say, you know, Trump doesn't like these immigrant people, in general, that good German that he is.....

[/quote]

To be accurate Lost, no he didn't call them rapist and murders etc.... he said SOME OF THEM are...... big difference.
And yes, Haiti is a shole. Who could dispute that?

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by WebsterMark on 05/22/18 at 13:39:52

he has a cumulative record of racist remarks and actions...

I would challenge you to give me 10 remarks and actions that prove he is a racist. Just 10. Should be simple as he's been in the public eye for so long.

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/22/18 at 15:10:07

It's obvious to them. It's how they see it.

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by MnSpring on 05/22/18 at 15:22:09

4751465B43565B40340 wrote:

I say it is an antiquated ideal, that's time has passed... Both by technology, and circumstances...
(Concerning the 2nd amendment)

OK Then, you should have NO Problem about;
"...barred an AP reporter from passing through a security checkpoint..."

In fact, you should also have no problem, when someone says, 'You Can't Say That'.
No Problem, when the Government, takes your house, and throws you out in the street.
No problem when you are thrown in jail for 2 years, for running a red light, then finally get a trial.
No problem, having police break down your door, throwing a bag of crack under your couch, and another one says, 'Looookieee Heeeeeer", and you get 20 years.
No Problem, etc.etc.etc.etc.

Because you, Believe:
"...it is an antiquated ideal, that's time has passed..."

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by Serowbot on 05/22/18 at 15:29:39

"They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.”

“Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke, OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So I don’t know.”

“Look at my African American over here. Look at him.”

Trump said the Mexican ancestry of a federal judge born in Indiana should disqualify him from presiding over a fraud lawsuit against Trump

“Our inner cities, African Americans, Hispanics are living in hell because it’s so dangerous. You walk down the street, you get shot.”

Haitian immigrants “all have AIDS” and Nigerian immigrants will never “go back to their huts” in Africa.

“I think there is blame on both sides.…You also had people that were very fine people on both sides.…Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me."

“They’re trying to take away our culture. They’re trying to take away our history. And our weak leaders, they do it overnight. These things have been there for 150 years, for a hundred years. You go back to a university and it's gone. Weak, weak people.”

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a pregnant dog off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!’”

“You were here long before any of us were here. Although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago. They call her Pocahontas.”

Trump drew condemnation from British Prime Minister Theresa May for sharing three anti-Muslim videos from a far-right British nationalist who was recently arrested for inciting hatred and violence against Muslims. The videos purported to show Muslims engaged in violent or anti-Christian acts. One of them, titled “Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!” did not actually show a migrant beating the boy; the attacker was born and raised in the Netherlands.

Plus, there was Trump's race code applications lawsuit which he settles without admitting guilt...
That's rich for guilty...

“Do you have to spray paint the n-word in the Oval Office or have a hood in the Lincoln bedroom to be a racist?" Sharpton said.

And in 1989, Trump purchased ads calling for the death penalty for the “Central Park Five,” four black men and one Latino man accused of rape who were later exonerated thanks to DNA evidence — but Trump still insisted they were guilty during the 2016 presidential election.

Build a wall, ban Muslims, revoke fair lending rule,...

...and now for the defensive denials... :-?

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by WebsterMark on 05/22/18 at 15:42:52

283E29342C39342F5B0 wrote:

"They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.”
In no way a racist statement.

“Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke, OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So I don’t know.”
In no way a racist statement.

“Look at my African American over here. Look at him.”
Have no idea of the context.

Trump said the Mexican ancestry of a federal judge born in Indiana should disqualify him from presiding over a fraud lawsuit against Trump
And why did he say that?

“Our inner cities, African Americans, Hispanics are living in hell because it’s so dangerous. You walk down the street, you get shot.”
Truth.

Haitian immigrants “all have AIDS” and Nigerian immigrants will never “go back to their huts” in Africa.
I don't believe he said that. You're gonna have to prove that.

“I think there is blame on both sides.…You also had people that were very fine people on both sides.…Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me."
Explain how that's even remotely racist.

“They’re trying to take away our culture. They’re trying to take away our history. And our weak leaders, they do it overnight. These things have been there for 150 years, for a hundred years. You go back to a university and it's gone. Weak, weak people.”

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a pregnant dog off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!’”
How is that racist?

“You were here long before any of us were here. Although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago. They call her Pocahontas.”
Racist?

Trump drew condemnation from British Prime Minister Theresa May for sharing three anti-Muslim videos from a far-right British nationalist who was recently arrested for inciting hatred and violence against Muslims. The videos purported to show Muslims engaged in violent or anti-Christian acts. One of them, titled “Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!” did not actually show a migrant beating the boy; the attacker was born and raised in the Netherlands.

Plus, there was Trump's race code applications lawsuit which he settles without admitting guilt...
That's rich for guilty...
Along with Chuck Schumer. There's a lot more to that story.

“Do you have to spray paint the n-word in the Oval Office or have a hood in the Lincoln bedroom to be a racist?" Sharpton said.
Sharpton? Seriously?
And in 1989, Trump purchased ads calling for the death penalty for the “Central Park Five,” four black men and one Latino man accused of rape who were later exonerated thanks to DNA evidence — but Trump still insisted they were guilty during the 2016 presidential election.

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by Serowbot on 05/22/18 at 15:44:57

Hip Hop is even stupider... ;D

Like I've said before,... racism isn't a single thing,... it becomes clearer with each act or statement.
Trump has plenty.
It's very clear to those he disenfranchises.
Ask any DACA kid whose life Trump has put in turmoil...
Trump's America is cruel and heartless,... putting self interest above principals and humanity.
That's not the America we have worked to create.
We are disgraced in the eyes of the world.

Just be intellectually honest and yes it is and I don't care...

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by WebsterMark on 05/22/18 at 16:38:40

Like I've said before,... racism isn't a single thing,... it becomes clearer with each act or statement.
If you look for it through partisan eyes, you can see anything.

Trump has plenty.
It's very clear to those he disenfranchises.
It's not clear to me.

Ask any DACA kid whose life Trump has put in turmoil...
The leaders of their home countries are responsible for their situation.
Trump has not put them in turmoil. Congress, Obama, Bush before him ignored an obvious situation. Trump begged Congress to do something and something must be done.

Trump's America is cruel and heartless,... putting self interest above principals and humanity.
I just don't see it that way. Unemployment is at its lowest point, black unemployment is at its lowest. How is that cruel? How is that heartless? Would those who've benefited say our recent policies are cruel and heartless? You think a little black boy whose father is working now would prefer the way it was before?

That's not the America we have worked to create.
We are disgraced in the eyes of the world.

I'm sorry, but I speak to people overseas regularly. I'm not sure you do, but maybe. The people I speak to don't see it that way. The people you hear on the news do. You gotta get out more! And why would we want to be like the rest of the world? Like who? France? Italy? Germany? Sweden?

Trump is not who I would have picked to carry the flag we needed to be carried to save this nation for a while longer, but he was the one who picked it up. You will win in the end. Your side will win. And the US will lose.

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/22/18 at 18:23:36

7A484F5E59485F604C5F462D0 wrote:

[quote author=283E29342C39342F5B0 link=1527007982/0#12 date=1527028179]"They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.”
In no way a racist statement.

“Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke, OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So I don’t know.”
In no way a racist statement.

“Look at my African American over here. Look at him.”
Have no idea of the context.

Trump said the Mexican ancestry of a federal judge born in Indiana should disqualify him from presiding over a fraud lawsuit against Trump
And why did he say that?

“Our inner cities, African Americans, Hispanics are living in hell because it’s so dangerous. You walk down the street, you get shot.”
Truth.

Haitian immigrants “all have AIDS” and Nigerian immigrants will never “go back to their huts” in Africa.
I don't believe he said that. You're gonna have to prove that.

“I think there is blame on both sides.…You also had people that were very fine people on both sides.…Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me."
Explain how that's even remotely racist.

“They’re trying to take away our culture. They’re trying to take away our history. And our weak leaders, they do it overnight. These things have been there for 150 years, for a hundred years. You go back to a university and it's gone. Weak, weak people.”

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a pregnant dog off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!’”
How is that racist?

“You were here long before any of us were here. Although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago. They call her Pocahontas.”
Racist?

Trump drew condemnation from British Prime Minister Theresa May for sharing three anti-Muslim videos from a far-right British nationalist who was recently arrested for inciting hatred and violence against Muslims. The videos purported to show Muslims engaged in violent or anti-Christian acts. One of them, titled “Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!” did not actually show a migrant beating the boy; the attacker was born and raised in the Netherlands.

Plus, there was Trump's race code applications lawsuit which he settles without admitting guilt...
That's rich for guilty...
Along with Chuck Schumer. There's a lot more to that story.

“Do you have to spray paint the n-word in the Oval Office or have a hood in the Lincoln bedroom to be a racist?" Sharpton said.
Sharpton? Seriously?
And in 1989, Trump purchased ads calling for the death penalty for the “Central Park Five,” four black men and one Latino man accused of rape who were later exonerated thanks to DNA evidence — but Trump still insisted they were guilty during the 2016 presidential election.

No, they were not exactly exonerated.

Just exactly what is your definition of racist because I'm confused. As far as I can tell, it's any statement you don't agree with. If I say we should celebrate Columbus Day, I'm racist. if I say I don't like Obama, I'm racist. If I say I think rap 'music' is stupid, I'm racist. If I say in St Louis, blacks are responsible for 99% of the murders last year, I'm racist. [/quote]

I see ridiculous fist bumping and
+1000
For stupid answers.

I rarely bother with the cheerleader thing,
But you have made logical arguments and unless things have changed, none will be actually countered.

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by MnSpring on 05/23/18 at 10:42:31

(In BOTH Cases below, the person that did them, was NOT known)

If someone said:
“That Graffiti was done by a Gang Member”
Their would be a Lot of people,
screaming; ‘racism’, from the rooftops.

Yet if someone said:
“That Bald Eagle was shot by a Hunter”
No one would blink a eye.

WHY ?

I Believe, it is because the ‘group’ of people, that call the first statement, racism, are so sensitive, (do I dare say: ’Snowflake Like’), and look to making every little thing, as bad as they can make it, Just to slam, what they believe are, ’the other side’.

Another ‘group’ of people, think: ‘well of course it was not a ‘hunter’, it was a vandal’, then go on their way.

Or it could be just a reporter, who is very anti-gun, and inserting their personal opinion, that all ‘hunters’, because they use, ‘guns’, are Bad ?

Title: Re: EPA bars AP, CNN
Post by LostArtist on 05/23/18 at 13:50:05

5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:

[quote author=283E29342C39342F5B0 link=1527007982/0#12 date=1527028179]"They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.”
In no way a racist statement.

hint, it's the "I assume" part that's racist.

“Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke, OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So I don’t know.”
In no way a racist statement.

no, but it is ignorant and allows racist to say that Trump is defending them by not immediately condemning them as any other politician would have done

“Look at my African American over here. Look at him.”
Have no idea of the context.

so, a white guy, rich white guy, claiming and African American... using him for display purposes doesn't ring a little wrong to you?

Trump said the Mexican ancestry of a federal judge born in Indiana should disqualify him from presiding over a fraud lawsuit against Trump
And why did he say that?

Because he thinks Mexicans aren't capable to being impartial or capable of doing their job, a judge in this case, or he thinks all Mexicans automatically hate Trump because he's calling for a wall... either way it shows that he doesn't think much of a judge because of his race.

“Our inner cities, African Americans, Hispanics are living in hell because it’s so dangerous. You walk down the street, you get shot.”
Truth.

not true at all, there are many predominantly hispanic and african american streets that I'd easily walk down without fear of being shot or assaulted at all, heck, half of Texas is hispanic, no fear here.

Haitian immigrants “all have AIDS” and Nigerian immigrants will never “go back to their huts” in Africa.
I don't believe he said that. You're gonna have to prove that.

true, it's just hearsay at the moment

“I think there is blame on both sides.…You also had people that were very fine people on both sides.…Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me."
Explain how that's even remotely racist.

he's defending racists. if you march with a neo-nazi.... you're either really stupid, or maybe you're a bit racist...

“They’re trying to take away our culture. They’re trying to take away our history. And our weak leaders, they do it overnight. These things have been there for 150 years, for a hundred years. You go back to a university and it's gone. Weak, weak people.”

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a pregnant dog off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!’”
How is that racist?

the reason for the protest by kneeling is that black people are getting shot by cops, it's a protest to protect black people, he doesn't address that at all, to him it's a simply disrespect of the flag, but that's not what the protestors are saying, but he doesn't care... but marching with neo-nazis.... oh there's layers there... So he's choosing who he thinks can have nuanced positions and who can't, based on.... ? maybe race, maybe his nationalist tendencies, so I'll give this a 50/50

“You were here long before any of us were here. Although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago. They call her Pocahontas.”
Racist?

it's belittling of Native Americans, he's equating one of their "heroes?" to someone he doesn't respect, therefor he doesn't respect them

Trump drew condemnation from British Prime Minister Theresa May for sharing three anti-Muslim videos from a far-right British nationalist who was recently arrested for inciting hatred and violence against Muslims. The videos purported to show Muslims engaged in violent or anti-Christian acts. One of them, titled “Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!” did not actually show a migrant beating the boy; the attacker was born and raised in the Netherlands.

Plus, there was Trump's race code applications lawsuit which he settles without admitting guilt...
That's rich for guilty...
Along with Chuck Schumer. There's a lot more to that story.

not really, he used misinformation to justify distrust of muslims, slandering them from the presidential platform

“Do you have to spray paint the n-word in the Oval Office or have a hood in the Lincoln bedroom to be a racist?" Sharpton said.
Sharpton? Seriously?

yeah, Sharpton... not the best role model here

And in 1989, Trump purchased ads calling for the death penalty for the “Central Park Five,” four black men and one Latino man accused of rape who were later exonerated thanks to DNA evidence — but Trump still insisted they were guilty during the 2016 presidential election.

No, they were not exactly exonerated.

yes, they were "...Matias Reyes, who eventually confessed to the crime, to the case at the time that it happened. DNA evidence identified him as the sole contributor of the semen found in and on the rape victim."

Just exactly what is your definition of racist because I'm confused. As far as I can tell, it's any statement you don't agree with. If I say we should celebrate Columbus Day, I'm racist. if I say I don't like Obama, I'm racist. If I say I think rap 'music' is stupid, I'm racist. If I say in St Louis, blacks are responsible for 99% of the murders last year, I'm racist. [/quote]

So giving Trump the benefit of the doubt.....
a lot of this is the secondary kind of racism, it's not the outward lynching of black people, but it's the suspicion of them as being lesser and not worthy, it's the painting them as the "other" instead of including them, and saying, yes, we should look into why laws were written this way, and why cops (and others) are so so so so afraid of people of color...

sorry if that green is too hard to read...