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Message started by MnSpring on 05/21/18 at 12:04:56

Title: Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by MnSpring on 05/21/18 at 12:04:56


From CNN, and  B.O. Statements:


“…What is not disputed is that federal prosecutors bring far fewer cases against gun crimes than the amount of crime suggests they could….”
“…"Last I heard, the federal prosecution of gun crimes was like 40%. And what I mean by that is that there are people lying on these forms already, and we're not prosecuting them. So there's an issue there, right?" Kyle asked Obama.
Obama did not answer that specific point of her question,…”
“…"There was a peak of federal gun prosecutions under Bush in 2004, the laws have not changed since that point, and under the leadership of President Obama, there's been a 40% decline in federal gun prosecutions,”…”
“…In 2007, candidate Barack Obama said, "We know what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books."
…”
“…" Strong enforcement of existing gun laws has not been a priority. CNN's John Avlon writes, "before the Newtown shootings, the Obama administration had not made enforcement of existing guns laws a political or policy priority”…”
“…Ensuring, for example, that NICS has the mental health data that includes documentation of whether an individual has been involuntarily  committed, has strong bipartisan support. Yet state reporting of such data has a long way to go; 19 states have provided fewer than 100 records of individuals disqualified on mental health grounds since the implementation of NICS in the early 1990s. This should be a "no-brainer." A poll released in January 2010 showed 90% of gun owners’ support addressing such gaps. This is a prime example of not enforcing the existing laws, which candidate Obama said we need to do. This is where the administration is failing to “do enough.”…”
“…The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks. The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009. But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%….”

Just in case you missed the very start.
      ALL  the above info/statements,
are from the, “Holy Grail’, of ’news’, for the Ultra-Liberals.


Lookie here !!!!!!http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-fbi-gun-background-check-system-missing-records-20171110-story.html From, ANOTHER, anti-gunner’s, ‘Holy Grail”.
‘“…The FBI’s background-check system is missing millions of records of criminal convictions, mental illness diagnoses and other flags that would keep guns out of potentially dangerous hands, a gap that contributed to the shooting deaths of 26 people in a Texas church this week….” “…As the shooting at a Texas church on Sunday showed, what the FBI doesn’t know can get people killed.
…” “…"at least 25% of felony convictions . . . are not available" to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI….” “…


The Background Check.  YES  IT  DOES  EXIST, Despite H.R.C. LIES.
             Less Than .04% are Prosecuted filling out the 4473.
It is a Slam Dunk, they have committed a federal crime, they have Signed a form stating that they’re not prohibited, there’s data that they are prohibited, and the Dealer/Sales person, is a witness to fraud.
A federal audit showed that over  a two-year period, only 154 were prosecuted.  Huh? A program that employs 500 people and costs hundreds of millions of dollars to operate resulted in the prosecution of 154 cases in 2 years ???????
Also  over 25% of felony convictions are NOT  reported.
And What % of,  Violent Crimes and Mental Health cases are Not reported.
  (Not even the Ultra-Liberal, Holy Grails of ’news’, will even venture a ‘low-ball’, guess)

Will say it again,
 (Just for the Snowflakes)
 Enforce the laws that are ON  the Books !

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/22/18 at 12:18:05

so, why aren't the laws being enforced???  

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by Serowbot on 05/22/18 at 12:21:40

NRA

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/22/18 at 12:29:14

This is an interesting take on it:

What American gun laws aren't being enforced?
https://www.quora.com/What-American-gun-laws-arent-being-enforced

"...Well, most of the folks who are flagged in this program (background checks) are not considered to actually be a danger to the public.  And the FBI says it doesn't have the resources to investigate all of them. "


Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by WebsterMark on 05/22/18 at 13:50:41


2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
NRA


It's not the NRA. it's the people who belong to the NRA. Big difference. The NRA is not an individual, it is an organization who responses to the demands of their membership.

Secondly, and this is important, the NRA doesn't give money to congressmen SO they'll vote their way, they give money to congressmen WHO already vote their way. If congressmen were so easily bought by the NRA, all they'd have to do is give money to Democrats and they'd never have a concern.

When the NRA is blamed for something, it's the ultimate red herring.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by WebsterMark on 05/22/18 at 13:51:23


7754484F7A494F52484F3B0 wrote:
This is an interesting take on it:

What American gun laws aren't being enforced?
https://www.quora.com/What-American-gun-laws-arent-being-enforced

"...Well, most of the folks who are flagged in this program (background checks) are not considered to actually be a danger to the public.  And the FBI says it doesn't have the resources to investigate all of them. "


That's what happened in the Florida shooting for sure. Maybe others.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by Serowbot on 05/22/18 at 13:59:58

NRA was a completely different entity before LaPierre took charge.
It's focus was on education, safety, and good common sense gun laws.
Today, it is purely political,... and resists any gun restrictions.

Gun owners and NRA members when asked are majority for common sense gun laws.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by WebsterMark on 05/22/18 at 14:29:09

I would say he responded in the manner appropriate to the situation he was facing.

I'm in favor of common sense gun control. What's common sense that I don't agree to?

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/22/18 at 18:52:16

Common Sense gun laws.
Like
Common Sense
No Gun Zones..

I mean
It's only reasonable
IF it's Illegal to have a gun in a school
Then people who are intent
On KILLING PEOPLE
Just won't take them in the
No Gun Zone.

Maybe you can share your ideas about exactly what new Common Sense gun laws you want.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by MnSpring on 05/23/18 at 14:12:20


2234233E26333E25510 wrote:
NRA was a completely different entity before LaPierre took charge. It's focus was on education, safety, and good common sense gun laws. Today, it is purely political,... and resists any gun restrictions. Gun owners and NRA members when asked are majority for common sense gun laws.


“… NRA was a completely different entity before LaPierre took charge….”
It is my actual, factual, knowledge, and experience,
that is not true.

“… majority for common sense gun laws….”
When the ultra-liberal polling companies, poll.
They call people, and use demographics, which the people they poll, are very unlikely to know, use, have, a gun, or know about them.

Here are typical questions:
  “Do you believe there should be a ‘Background Check’”
Most answer Yes.
Because they don’t know that one already exists, and for the last 8 years, it has been purposely downgraded.
 “Do you believe their should be regulations on who buys a gun”
Most answer Yes.
Because they don’t know what currently exists, and what it involves, and how, B.O. watered it down.
Leading questions.
Questions lacking correct information.
Questions, that out and out lie.
Are asked.
Then the ‘results’ are distributed to, ‘people’, who then repeat,
 Everyone, wants  Gun Control.
Which is a total  LIE.

 BTW,  NO  ONE,  not ONE, of the gun haters/banners,
Not here, not the stand in the street criers, not the, ’Ban’ talking heads.
Has Ever outlined, what their view of, ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’ are.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/23/18 at 21:35:22


023037262130271834273E550 wrote:
[quote author=2137203D25303D26520 link=1526929496/0#2 date=1527016900]NRA


It's not the NRA. it's the people who belong to the NRA. Big difference. The NRA is not an individual, it is an organization who responses to the demands of their membership.

Secondly, and this is important, the NRA doesn't give money to congressmen SO they'll vote their way, they give money to congressmen WHO already vote their way. If congressmen were so easily bought by the NRA, all they'd have to do is give money to Democrats and they'd never have a concern.

When the NRA is blamed for something, it's the ultimate red herring.
[/quote]


who said anything about money??  

the NRA is a powerful lobbying organization that influences voters. They are influence makers. They use that influence over their members and supporters to control members of congress. There are lots of SINGLE issue voters, that issue is guns for some, and the NRA keeps them in line using fear, fear that any movement for gun control reform is a slippery slope to gun confiscation or repeal of the 2nd amendment.  

and the NRA uses propaganda just like every other organization or company to control their membership, you really think that the members lead the NRA, that's like believing the voters lead the USA.  



Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/23/18 at 21:44:01


576562737465724D61726B000 wrote:
[quote author=7754484F7A494F52484F3B0 link=1526929496/0#3 date=1527017354]This is an interesting take on it:

What American gun laws aren't being enforced?
https://www.quora.com/What-American-gun-laws-arent-being-enforced

"...Well, most of the folks who are flagged in this program (background checks) are not considered to actually be a danger to the public.  And the FBI says it doesn't have the resources to investigate all of them. "


That's what happened in the Florida shooting for sure. Maybe others. [/quote]

and the Texas church shooter, and did the Charleston church shooter's dad ever get prosecuted? or the Columbine parents?  Will Santa Fe's be prosecuted?  

conservatives say they want to be tough on crime.... unless it's straw purchasing guns apparently....

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/23/18 at 22:32:58


081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
Common Sense gun laws.
Like
Common Sense
No Gun Zones..

I mean
It's only reasonable
IF it's Illegal to have a gun in a school
Then people who are intent
On KILLING PEOPLE
Just won't take them in the
No Gun Zone.

Maybe you can share your ideas about exactly what new Common Sense gun laws you want.


your fixation on these signs....  

anyway, sure, your point is taken, but seriously, most gun violence doesn't occur in "gun free zones" anyway, and the logical conclusion to your point is that no laws are needed cause bad people don't follow them anyway so why bother.  is that what you are really saying?

ANARCHY!!!!!!    cause why bother....  


so, common sense gun laws.  

I'm really not asking for much.

let's start getting the current laws and background check in actual working order. And maybe, I'm flexible on this, like with exceptions for family heirlooms and the like,  expand that to private sales as well.  

and some educational aspect added to buying a gun,

if you can force a woman considering abortion to view an ultrasound, or sit through some other "therapy" about the life of her potential child because life is so sacred to you, then you should't have a problem making a gun owner sit through a brief educational break-down of the responsibility of owning a gun, especially hand guns and "assault rifles" you know, those designed specifically for killing PEOPLE.  most law abiding people might even just laugh it off, but those that are straw buying for a criminal or buying with intent, might take a pause to think, maybe, giving them the benefit of the doubt here, just like you are giving the abortion seeking woman the benefit of the doubt.  And once you do it once, you can get a waiver so you don't have to do it again unless you are really amping up your buying game and buying something really outrageous, idk, I'm open to ideas on this, I just know that the current little background check questionaire they make you fill out is a joke and some gun dealers treat it as such and even help customers fill it out so they can make a sale. Let's have education be part of the solution here. let's have gun dealers take some responsibility, and reward them for it.

but let's start with getting the current background check system in actual working order instead of it being sued by the NRA (the NRA isn't actually suing but they are funding the lawsuits against it) and the NRA and it's supporters and their radio shows stoking fear about gun confiscation with every little suggestion of gun control.

I hear this slippery slope crap all the time, enough already.  


Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by MnSpring on 05/24/18 at 07:42:43


597A66615467617C6661150 wrote:
"... let's start with getting the current background check system in actual working order..."


       The above,  
Does Not, sound like,  ‘Ban’, and ‘Make More Laws’
                 It Sounds a lot like,
 ‘Enforce the Laws on the Books’
(Hmmmm,  where have I heard that before ?)

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by MnSpring on 05/24/18 at 08:23:40


40637F784D7E78657F780C0 wrote:
"... I hear this slippery slope crap all the time, enough already.  

A, ‘Slippery Slope’, is a phrase that is most known for it’s relationship to firearms/laws/freedom.

Yet,  ‘Slippery Slope’, Can and Has Been,
        very successful,
 in many other applications.

Now here is the the reason it is called,  ‘Slippery Slope’.
Ever Been on one ?   Ever Slid down one ?
Once you start, it is very hard to stop,
           Very  Hard.

So the term,  ‘Slippery Slope’,
       applying to  gun laws.
A  Liberal, pushes a Conservative,
 To the  ‘Slippery Slope’, and then they will
 ’Slide’ down rapidly.
Right down to the bottom, where  the Liberal want’s them.

And that is accomplished with terms like:
       ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’
So when the Ultra-Librals, believe they have DUPED  enough people.
With Their term, ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’,
Which WILL, Contain  absolutely  Draconian BAN ‘rules’.

If any one questions it, the Ultra-Liberls will Champion it,
calling it,  ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’,
and add, ‘Just Pass it, and read it later”.
 (Because they KNOW, that Line Works)

Just a tidbit for those that  Don't know.
 When Clinton First wrote the,
‘Common Sense Gun Law’
  BANNING  AR-15 and variants.

The First Bills, ALSO,  Completely BANNED,
a 2 barrel Shotgun, with One trigger.
AND, ALL,  Semi-Auto Shotguns.

But ya know, a ‘lobby’, stepped in,
and they had people that were firearm knowledgeable.
They, ‘Caught’,  those ’ ‘Slippery Slope’ laws.

Just like a bunch of, ‘Excavator Business’,
Hired a, ‘Lobby’, so that a, ‘Mound’ system was required.
A mound system cost a homeowner 4 times more,
and it cost the Excavator Less than a ‘old style’ system to install.
       (mound system treats backwater)

So perhaps now, some may understand,
 slippery slope, is NOT,  crap

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/24/18 at 08:28:46


785B6645475C5B52350 wrote:
[quote author=597A66615467617C6661150 link=1526929496/0#12 date=1527139978]"... let's start with getting the current background check system in actual working order..."


       The above,  
Does Not, sound like,  ‘Ban’, and ‘Make More Laws’
                 It Sounds a lot like,
 ‘Enforce the Laws on the Books’
(Hmmmm,  where have I heard that before ?)
[/quote]


take note, I NEVER disagreed with you there. you're just looking for a fight, assigning positions to me that I don't hold, assuming you know me because you have me labeled...    

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/24/18 at 08:36:38


11320F2C2E35323B5C0 wrote:
[quote author=40637F784D7E78657F780C0 link=1526929496/0#12 date=1527139978] "... I hear this slippery slope crap all the time, enough already.  

A, ‘Slippery Slope’, is a phrase that is most known for it’s relationship to firearms/laws/freedom.

Yet,  ‘Slippery Slope’, Can and Has Been,
        very successful,
 in many other applications.

Now here is the the reason it is called,  ‘Slippery Slope’.
Ever Been on one ?   Ever Slid down one ?
Once you start, it is very hard to stop,
           Very  Hard.

So the term,  ‘Slippery Slope’,
       applying to  gun laws.
A  Liberal, pushes a Conservative,
 To the  ‘Slippery Slope’, and then they will
 ’Slide’ down rapidly.
Right down to the bottom, where  the Liberal want’s them.

And that is accomplished with terms like:
       ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’
So when the Ultra-Librals, believe they have DUPED  enough people.
With Their term, ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’,
Which WILL, Contain  absolutely  Draconian BAN ‘rules’.

If any one questions it, the Ultra-Liberls will Champion it,
calling it,  ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’,
and add, ‘Just Pass it, and read it later”.
 (Because they KNOW, that Line Works)

Just a tidbit for those that  Don't know.
 When Clinton First wrote the,
‘Common Sense Gun Law’
  BANNING  AR-15 and variants.

The First Bills, ALSO,  Completely BANNED,
a 2 barrel Shotgun, with One trigger.
AND, ALL,  Semi-Auto Shotguns.

But ya know, a ‘lobby’, stepped in,
and they had people that were firearm knowledgeable.
They, ‘Caught’,  those ’ ‘Slippery Slope’ laws.

Just like a bunch of, ‘Excavator Business’,
Hired a, ‘Lobby’, so that a, ‘Mound’ system was required.
A mound system cost a homeowner 4 times more,
and it cost the Excavator Less than a ‘old style’ system to install.
       (mound system treats backwater)

So perhaps now, some may understand,
 slippery slope, is NOT,  crap
[/quote]

no it's crap.  you like to believe it because it peaks those fear receptors in your brain releasing adrenaline and other endorphins that make you excited and happy.  

There is a STRONG middle ground, but only the extreme sides have megaphones. And the more sensational something is, the more attention it gets, by YOU, by ME, by everyone, and did Clinton sign the revised bill?? I think he did.. so he wasn't hard nosed and uncompromising was he? meanwhile, many PRO GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising. They are by their NATURE, paranoid lil sh!ts.  

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/24/18 at 09:47:04

Being aware of history and the nature of man isn't paranoia.
Bad stuff happens.
Being aware of the fact that others are not always nice isn't paranoia.
Are you paranoid for wearing a seatbelt?
Having a spare tire?
Have you ever bought a daughter or wife pepper spray?
Do you approach intersections
Looking for someone who is not paying attention? Is that paranoid or just being safe?
You people Do Not understand how much safer YOU are, because of all those concealed carry guns out there. Bad guys know that there are guns in waistband and purses and they don't know which ones.
That's a DETERRENT.
And everyone benefits.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/24/18 at 11:57:54


756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
Being aware of history and the nature of man isn't paranoia.
Bad stuff happens.
Being aware of the fact that others are not always nice isn't paranoia.


no, but suspecting it will happen at any time at any minute, anywhere, and you need deadly force to fight it....  idk, come on, I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.  


Are you paranoid for wearing a seatbelt?
Having a spare tire?
Have you ever bought a daughter or wife pepper spray?
Do you approach intersections
Looking for someone who is not paying attention? Is that paranoid or just being safe?
You people

you people??? seriously?  okay, us people....  yeah...    screw you (listen, I'm just a vulgar person, but when you belittle me, you get nothing, okay, no more

Do Not understand how much safer YOU are, because of all those concealed carry guns out there. Bad guys know that there are guns in waistband and purses and they don't know which ones.
That's a DETERRENT.
And everyone benefits.


no, it's not...  if bad people will ignore VISIBLE signs...  if bad people will do whatever they want to with or without guns as you've argued before....   yet you think they'll pay attention to invisible CCLs???   so which is it? are bad people going to do bad things regardless or do deterrents (laws) work??

oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by WebsterMark on 05/24/18 at 12:27:54

oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before

most places with those signs absolutely DO NOT have armed security! I'm heading out with the wife this afternoon and we've got 5 or 6 stops to make. I will count how many have signs and how many have or do not have armed guards. The grocery store we're going to I already know has a sign but no guard. The golf store also has a sign with no guard. We're going to buy a new car seat for grand daughter, probably from target. They have a sign too, but I've never seen a guard in target.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/24/18 at 12:45:20


073532232435221D31223B500 wrote:
oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before

most places with those signs absolutely DO NOT have armed security! I'm heading out with the wife this afternoon and we've got 5 or 6 stops to make. I will count how many have signs and how many have or do not have armed guards. The grocery store we're going to I already know has a sign but no guard. The golf store also has a sign with no guard. We're going to buy a new car seat for grand daughter, probably from target. They have a sign too, but I've never seen a guard in target.



schools do, malls do..  but maybe you're right, fair enough

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by MnSpring on 05/24/18 at 13:06:11


00233F380D3E38253F384C0 wrote:
"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

      Which Is it ????????

One place you say:
“…I don't speak any "crazy liberal" ideas in public where I am, I don't speak about politics in the open, I've seen the many, many, many bumper stickers and signs in the yard around my area. you might live in a moderate or even liberal area, but I DO NOT, and with the authoritarian attitude of the current administration and those that support him, I take no risks. …”
     AND   "...I do not talk politics in public. Even when I'm with my friends I get nervous when one of them brings up politics in public.  I don't need 10 conservatives jumping down my throat and screaming at me..."

You show you are, Afraid of, people to the Right of center.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1526657609/73

HERE you say:
"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

  Again, Exactly,  Which is it ?

     Oh  Oh,  Wait,     Forgot,
  it is Only, the, 'other' person !
"...PRO GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising. They are by their NATURE, paranoid lil sh!ts..."







Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/24/18 at 13:27:14

GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising.

Knowing the difference between right and wrong does that.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/24/18 at 13:36:40


7D5E634042595E57300 wrote:
[quote author=00233F380D3E38253F384C0 link=1526929496/15#18 date=1527188274]"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

      Which Is it ????????

One place you say:
“…I don't speak any "crazy liberal" ideas in public where I am, I don't speak about politics in the open, I've seen the many, many, many bumper stickers and signs in the yard around my area. you might live in a moderate or even liberal area, but I DO NOT, and with the authoritarian attitude of the current administration and those that support him, I take no risks. …”
     AND   "...I do not talk politics in public. Even when I'm with my friends I get nervous when one of them brings up politics in public.  I don't need 10 conservatives jumping down my throat and screaming at me..."

You show you are, Afraid of, people to the Right of center.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1526657609/73

HERE you say:
"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

  Again, Exactly,  Which is it ?

     Oh  Oh,  Wait,     Forgot,
  it is Only, the, 'other' person !
"...PRO GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising. They are by their NATURE, paranoid lil sh!ts..."

[/quote]

fair enough, you caught me using too much hyperbole.  

but the difference in the statements is, "threatened physically" vs my fear of being judged and ostracised and penalized socially and maybe financially

I've never felt threatened in a life and death sense just by living my life

but I'd rather not make myself a target, get my vehicle vandalized, food spit in, yelled at, etc... for speaking publicly. I still don't feel the need to carry a gun just in case...

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/24/18 at 13:37:39


7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:
GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising.

Knowing the difference between right and wrong does that.


you've really become a cocky lil sh!t you know that...  mr. knowITall

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/24/18 at 16:23:03


425D5B5C41467747774F5D511A280 wrote:
GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising.

Knowing the difference between right and wrong does that.



since you are so proud of knowing the difference between right and wrong, we'll put you in charge of making sure only the good guys get guns

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by MnSpring on 05/24/18 at 17:01:14


7E5D41467340465B4146320 wrote:
 since you are so proud of knowing the difference between right and wrong, we'll put you in charge of making sure only the good guys get guns

WOW,  That would be Great,
 A  Whole lot better  than a  Troll or Muppet doing it.


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by MnSpring on 05/24/18 at 17:20:41


61425E596C5F59445E592D0 wrote:
 "... oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before


        No, they Don't, and you know it.

The tax Paying businesses, Have the Right to put up that, 'sign'.
I also have the, Right, to NOT  Spend any money their,
 And the Right to tell anyone who cares,
  I Carry a card I made up, it says:
 "You have to right to Not allow guns in here.
I have the Right Not to spend any money in here.
 I also have the right to tell whoever I wish,  
    you do not allow any guns in here"


About 15 years ago, when Minn adopted the 'right to carry'.
    (Despite the dire warning the snowflakes  made,
that their would be all sorts of catastrophes in the streets)

      Their was 4 business, in my local area.
         Their is now 1.   (With the, Sign !)

Just a suggestion. Perhaps some day off.
Un Lock one or more of your gun/s,
go to a gun range, and shoot a bit.
Get to know the people around you.

Perhaps even become part of a small competition.
 (My Opinion  a  Heck of a lot better than Golf)


Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/24/18 at 19:02:58

Uncompromising people BUILT this country. Uncompromising people fought for principles to give us America.
There really is a right and wrong.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by Matchless G11 on 05/25/18 at 04:11:32

It is sad it has gotten to this point. When I was younger there were no school shootings. Some people when to church and respected each other.
My uncle use to bring a rifle to school when he was young so he could check his traps on the way back from school. the teacher told him he could leave it out side the door.

I live in NJ, there is no chance to ever get a carry permit here. The laws on guns have gotten more restrictive and the crime rate does not seem to go down.
I would get carry permit if I could, not that I have any real desire to carry all the time, but there are times if I have to go down to Trenton or Camden a old snub nose would give just a slight bit of piece of mind.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/18 at 06:23:40


496A76714477716C7671050 wrote:
[quote author=756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 link=1526929496/15#17 date=1527180424]Being aware of history and the nature of man isn't paranoia.
Bad stuff happens.
Being aware of the fact that others are not always nice isn't paranoia.


no, but suspecting it will happen at any time at any minute, anywhere, and you need deadly force to fight it....  idk, come on, I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.  


Are you paranoid for wearing a seatbelt?
Having a spare tire?
Have you ever bought a daughter or wife pepper spray?
Do you approach intersections
Looking for someone who is not paying attention? Is that paranoid or just being safe?
You people

you people??? seriously?  okay, us people....  yeah...    screw you (listen, I'm just a vulgar person, but when you belittle me, you get nothing, okay, no more

Do Not understand how much safer YOU are, because of all those concealed carry guns out there. Bad guys know that there are guns in waistband and purses and they don't know which ones.
That's a DETERRENT.
And everyone benefits.


no, it's not...  if bad people will ignore VISIBLE signs...  if bad people will do whatever they want to with or without guns as you've argued before....   yet you think they'll pay attention to invisible CCLs???   so which is it? are bad people going to do bad things regardless or do deterrents (laws) work??


Really? Criminals are stupid, but not That stupid.
They KNOW they might get shot in a restaurant in Oklahoma now, don't they?
Criminals ignore a sign,
BECAUSE THEY ARE MURDERING THUGS,
Never mind,
That's THE single dumbest thing I've seen you say.
I'm glad I saw that. Now I KNOW it's futile.

oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before[/quote]

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by WebsterMark on 05/25/18 at 07:11:50


756C6262343477607160666E363130050 wrote:
I live in NJ, there is no chance to ever get a carry permit here. The laws on guns have gotten more restrictive and the crime rate does not seem to go down.
I would get carry permit if I could, not that I have any real desire to carry all the time, but there are times if I have to go down to Trenton or Camden a old snub nose would give just a slight bit of piece of mind.


I hate Newark. I fly in there all the time to go to our home office. It's almost as bad a Memphis.

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/25/18 at 09:05:44


726D6B6C71764777477F6D612A180 wrote:
[quote author=496A76714477716C7671050 link=1526929496/15#18 date=1527188274][quote author=756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 link=1526929496/15#17 date=1527180424]Being aware of history and the nature of man isn't paranoia.
Bad stuff happens.
Being aware of the fact that others are not always nice isn't paranoia.


no, but suspecting it will happen at any time at any minute, anywhere, and you need deadly force to fight it....  idk, come on, I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.  


Are you paranoid for wearing a seatbelt?
Having a spare tire?
Have you ever bought a daughter or wife pepper spray?
Do you approach intersections
Looking for someone who is not paying attention? Is that paranoid or just being safe?
You people

you people??? seriously?  okay, us people....  yeah...    screw you (listen, I'm just a vulgar person, but when you belittle me, you get nothing, okay, no more

Do Not understand how much safer YOU are, because of all those concealed carry guns out there. Bad guys know that there are guns in waistband and purses and they don't know which ones.
That's a DETERRENT.
And everyone benefits.


no, it's not...  if bad people will ignore VISIBLE signs...  if bad people will do whatever they want to with or without guns as you've argued before....   yet you think they'll pay attention to invisible CCLs???   so which is it? are bad people going to do bad things regardless or do deterrents (laws) work??


Really? Criminals are stupid, but not That stupid.
They KNOW they might get shot in a restaurant in Oklahoma now, don't they?
Criminals ignore a sign,
BECAUSE THEY ARE MURDERING THUGS,
Never mind,
That's THE single dumbest thing I've seen you say.
I'm glad I saw that. Now I KNOW it's futile.

oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before[/quote]
[/quote]


"Now I KNOW it's futile."

me too, bye bye now

Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by LostArtist on 05/25/18 at 12:50:34


082B1635372C2B22450 wrote:
[quote author=00233F380D3E38253F384C0 link=1526929496/15#18 date=1527188274]"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

      Which Is it ????????

One place you say:
“…I don't speak any "crazy liberal" ideas in public where I am, I don't speak about politics in the open, I've seen the many, many, many bumper stickers and signs in the yard around my area. you might live in a moderate or even liberal area, but I DO NOT, and with the authoritarian attitude of the current administration and those that support him, I take no risks. …”
     AND   "...I do not talk politics in public. Even when I'm with my friends I get nervous when one of them brings up politics in public.  I don't need 10 conservatives jumping down my throat and screaming at me..."

You show you are, Afraid of, people to the Right of center.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1526657609/73

HERE you say:
"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

  Again, Exactly,  Which is it ?

     Oh  Oh,  Wait,     Forgot,
  it is Only, the, 'other' person !
"...PRO GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising. They are by their NATURE, paranoid lil sh!ts..."






[/quote]

did I ever say I wasn't paranoid???   I do own a handgun.... I never carry but in case of the zombie apocalypse....  

;D


Title: Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Post by MnSpring on 05/25/18 at 13:22:52


6A4955526754524F5552260 wrote:
 did I ever say I wasn't paranoid???   I do own a handgun.... I never carry but in case of the zombie apocalypse....  ;D


So, Because you own a handgun, you are Paranoid ?
Or is it, because you are Paranoid, you own a handgun ?

News Flash
 The very vast,   that is, VERY VAST,
number of people that own a firearm,
    are NOT,  Paranoid !
Just because You may be,
does NOT, mean someone else is.

And the,   ;D  next to ‘Zombie Apocalypse’,
was probably unnecessary,
as anybody that can type on a computer,
simply  cannot be that naive.

When was the last time you had fun with your handgun and shot it.
      (Or are you waiting for the zombies)


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