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Message started by MnSpring on 03/15/18 at 09:21:42

Title: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by MnSpring on 03/15/18 at 09:21:42

Eegore,
You have stated a Baker, Should/Has To, make a Custom cake,
and a Sandwich maker does NOT have to make a Custom Sandwich.
When BOTH, give the same reason.
So be it, we fundamentally disagree.
(Oh stop with the ’sanctimonious’, talk implying I said something DID happen, when it was a scenario where, if you can understand context, why can not, this thing happen, if that thing happened)

To that Point, am starting a New Tread.

And I am going to quote, things you said in another thread,
about a closely related subject.

“…I see laws addressing discrimination, unfortunately Career is not in the parameters of the coffee shop cited in this thread. From my point of view this makes it legal and not something that people can do anything about unless they work to change the law. Crying wont help, complaining won’t, making up legal scenarios that never existed won’t. …”
“…If your business provides a service you have to follow the local laws, or change them. Left or Right, if you don’t like the laws where you live get out there and change them. …”

Seems rather clear they are breaking the Law.
(Sanctuary Cities/States)
And punishment,
(because one cannot put a, ‘City’, in Jail)
Is to withhold Federal Funds, from those places,
that are clearly Aiding, Illegals

I ask (again):

"...Tell me how that works,
concerning, 'Sanctuary', City or State ?

It seems like, "if you don't like the laws where you live",
you can simply IGNORE THEM.
(Or make up your own) ..."

Title: Re: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/15/18 at 11:15:25

I wonder if the
Response Time
might suffer should those idiots NEED the cops.
And are they allowed to even enter?
My stepfather was a firefighter in Houston. The cops and firefighters are a close community.
The shop owners have just pissed off a large segment of society.
Laws bedarned, let's see how it shakes out. I'm betting on the free market to slap the SJWs into reality.

Title: Re: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by Eegore on 03/15/18 at 14:20:08

A sandwich maker DOES have to make a sandwich type that they do provide to the public. They DO NOT have to make a sandwich type (pork) that they have never, ever served to anyone. You claim to have sources indicating people can SUE INTO THE GROUND a company for never carrying a product.

No company has been sued for not carrying an item in their inventory.

I still do not see laws or even net info etc. where this can happen, if you have sources share them. It seems you are making up things that do not and can not happen to further your point and want people to just pretend that these things could happen.

As for Sanctuary Cities which have no legal connection to a company being sued for not carrying an item - I'd look up the "ACLU effect."

You already answered the question - cities can not be incarcerated, they can not have their business license pulled. The legal parameters are completely different.

When local politicians passed gun legislation where I live we organized a recall, and had them removed from office. Its our constitutional right as described clearly in our state constitution. There was crying and complaining (Magpul left the state) but the people organizing the re-election are the ones that got things done.

If someone finds themself inside a sanctuary city and does not like it, start working to remove the elected officials supporting it - get your Federal money back.

We didn't break a single law to propagate change in our elected leadership.

Title: Re: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by MnSpring on 03/17/18 at 17:22:24

4464666E7364010 wrote:

So a Cake maker,
Does NOT, make a Wedding Cake for two Females, who are to be married.
Does Not have one in inventory. Never has had one in inventory.
"... that they have never, ever served to anyone..."
Yet, you believe they HAVE TO ?

Where a Sandwich maker, does not make a Pork Sandwich.
Does Not have one in inventory. Never has had one in inventory.
"... that they have never, ever served to anyone..."
Yet, you believe they do NOT have to ?

Good to know where your coming from.

Title: Re: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by old.indian on 03/17/18 at 18:14:35

I have several relatives liveing in California. All are "Progressives". All live in gated communities.

Title: Re: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/17/18 at 20:55:27

6E4D7053514A4D44230 wrote:

[quote author=4464666E7364010 link=1521130902/0#2 date=1521148808] A sandwich maker DOES have to make a sandwich type that they do provide to the public. They DO NOT have to make a sandwich type (pork) that they have never, ever served to anyone. You claim to have sources indicating people can SUE INTO THE GROUND a company for never carrying a product.
No company has been sued for not carrying an item in their inventory...."

Title: Re: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by Eegore on 03/18/18 at 13:17:13

"So a Cake maker,
Does NOT, make a Wedding Cake for two Females, who are to be married.
Does Not have one in inventory. Never has had one in inventory.
"... that they have never, ever served to anyone..."
Yet, you believe they HAVE TO ?

No.

What you described above did not happen.

They have to provide the same service as the law dictates in the jurisdiction that their business license is held. They make those cakes for weddings, just not gay couples.

The cake shop owner said he would make the cake for two dogs, but not two women. That's not the same as saying that he has never made a wedding cake. Had he said "I don't make wedding cakes" and that was true he would be off the hook.

You are saying people can sue businesses for never carrying a product and this is not true.

If you go to a Ford Dealership you can not sue them for not selling you a Toyota because you are gay. You can sue them for not selling you a Ford because you are gay.

Again you claim to have these sources but will not share them.

Title: Re: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by MnSpring on 03/20/18 at 17:32:46

Eegore,

What do you believe as to,
Sanctuary Cites/States ?

Should a City/County/State Cop,
hinder, thwart, impede, etc,
the arrest, capture, deportation,
of a Illegal alien ?

In several cases, of a State saying MJ, is Legal,
and the Fed, saying it is not.
It was a Vote, of the State Citizens.

In the Sanctuary Cites/States, was their a Vote?

Title: Re: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/20/18 at 18:04:01

Different jurisdiction.
The Constitution makes the federal government responsible for controlling and protecting the borders And they are in charge of immigration.

They were FORCED to amend the Constitution in order to enact prohibition.
See what that means?

The Constitution doesn't Give the federal government the power to tell us what we can smoke and drink.

When the feds raid a pot seller in a State that has voted for making pot legal, the sheriff should arrest them. It's completely unconstitutional and illegal.

States can't just decide that the Constitutional authority of the federal government is not in force.

And the federal government isn't Supposed to pretend it's got authority NOT specifically granted it In the Constitution.

Title: Re: Sanctuary Cities/States
Post by Eegore on 03/21/18 at 14:37:47

"Should a City/County/State Cop,
hinder, thwart, impede, etc,
the arrest, capture, deportation,
of a Illegal alien ?"

No.

"In the Sanctuary Cites/States, was their a Vote? "

No there was no vote.