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Message started by raydawg on 03/13/18 at 19:08:24

Title: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by raydawg on 03/13/18 at 19:08:24

Seems like a real nice guy too!

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by raydawg on 03/13/18 at 20:20:04

Well, midterms are going to be extremely expensive, given the amount of money that went into this race, yep, our elections are for sale, and the media loves it.

If we get a new crop of politicians not beholden to the corruption, maybe it will be worth it, if not, this might really just put the final nail in it, and whoever has the most money to spends.....

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by eau de sauvage on 03/14/18 at 00:15:51

Trump will be pissed, he could have sacked Tillerson at any time after he referred to donald as a "f.ucking moron" but he chose to do it now to draw the inevitable media attention away from a probable loss in Pennsylvania, however there will likely be a recount, (although it's not mandatory), which means it will be in the news for a longer period.



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Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/18 at 06:00:51


2C3F273A3F29395E0 wrote:
Well, midterms are going to be extremely expensive, given the amount of money that went into this race, yep, our elections are for sale, and the media loves it.

If we get a new crop of politicians not beholden to the corruption, maybe it will be worth it, if not, this might really just put the final nail in it, and whoever has the most money to spends.....


Um, ray, the legal bribery within our government has been going on for quite some time.  You can thank all the rollbacks of campaign finance reform and citizens united for that.

In the last decade, there the trend has been that whomever spends the most money, wins (at least at the state and local levels).

Now, thanks to groups like the Justice Democrats, their politicians are rejecting big, dark money and getting most of their funding through small donations.  When that happens, guess what - they represent their donors! (just like the corporate shills).

This midterm is gonna be a huge wakeup call for ALL politicians (like I've been saying from the start).

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/18 at 07:07:26

Obama lost 63 house seats his first midterm and 13 the second.
Bush gained 8 the first and lost 30 the second.
Clinton lost 52 his first and gained 5 the second.
Hopey-change was the only recent one so inept he lost seats twice, house and senate.

Special elections may or may not be indicative of what will happen in November. Lot of time between now and then.

I'm not predicting what will happen, far too early. And the record for correct predictions by the leftist on this site is a joke so you might want to hold off your celebrations for a while. Plenty of time for Nancy and Chuck to fumble what is usually a sure touchdown.

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 07:56:41

.2% vote total difference.
Hardly a landslide.
And Lamb is , from what little I've heard, not a hard left democrat. He's supposedly a fairly conservative guy, so, it's not like we elected TT.

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by raydawg on 03/14/18 at 08:06:26

When trump won by 20%......

It’s a huge difference of change, Trump diesn’t get It...still.

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/18 at 08:33:40

Trump doesn't get what?

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/18 at 08:43:48


7C4E49585F4E59664A59402B0 wrote:
Obama lost 63 house seats his first midterm and 13 the second.
Bush gained 8 the first and lost 30 the second.
Clinton lost 52 his first and gained 5 the second.
Hopey-change was the only recent one so inept he lost seats twice, house and senate.

Special elections may or may not be indicative of what will happen in November. Lot of time between now and then.

"May or may not"?  LMAO - ok web... who's all hopey changey now??

I'm not predicting what will happen, far too early. And the record for correct predictions by the leftist on this site is a joke so you might want to hold off your celebrations for a while. Plenty of time for Nancy and Chuck to fumble what is usually a sure touchdown.


BWAAAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!

How are those sour grapes web?

;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/18 at 08:45:15


7B494E5F58495E614D5E472C0 wrote:
Trump doesn't get what?



ANYTHING!!!!

He's a moron of the highest degree!  How is it that you can't see it?

Did you hear his asinine speech when he was inspecting his walls?

Dumb as a bag of hammers.

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by raydawg on 03/14/18 at 08:46:41


655750414657407F534059320 wrote:
Trump doesn't get what?


That he won because he was an outside to the ugliness of how Washington works, etc....
He has made it uglier.
Yeah, I get those who hate him, etc, but you don’t become them in the process yourself.
He thinks his core 30% is his everyone views him, he is mistaken I believe.

I think one of his best arguments, to Blacks was, what do you got to lose?
You don’t need to be combative and argumentative about everything, smart folks turn away from such behavior.

As to the sitting president always loses seats is because I think they fail to listen to their own campaign rhetoric.

Like on the tax cut, he should just let the results speak for themselves, not spiking the football 29 times in any given interview,etc...
He doesn’ t Seem to understand when he promotes himself he is also promoting more hate of himself.....

The guy really has some deep seated issues, it’s not an act.
I could never be friends with a person like him.

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 08:54:34

Registered democrats outnumber bubs by about 50,000.
Lamb won by a few hundred.
Lamb isn't the hard left.
It's hardly a referendum on Trump.

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/18 at 08:54:44


697A627F7A6C7C1B0 wrote:
[quote author=655750414657407F534059320 link=1520993304/0#7 date=1521041620]Trump doesn't get what?


That he won because he was an outside to the ugliness of how Washington works, etc....
He has made it uglier.
Yeah, I get those who hate him, etc, but you don’t become them in the process yourself.
He thinks his core 30% is his everyone views him, he is mistaken I believe.

I think one of his best arguments, to Blacks was, what do you got to lose?
You don’t need to be combative and argumentative about everything, smart folks turn away from such behavior.

As to the sitting president always loses seats is because I think they fail to listen to their own campaign rhetoric.

Like on the tax cut, he should just let the results speak for themselves, not spiking the football 29 times in any given interview,etc...
He doesn’ t Seem to understand when he promotes himself he is also promoting more hate of himself.....

The guy really has some deep seated issues, it’s not an act.
I could never be friends with a person like him.[/quote]

Wow... just wow....

Concise, cogent, intelligent response ray.

Nice one... chump.

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by WebsterMark on 03/14/18 at 09:22:41

Trump won because he was himself, he didn't put on an act. He won because he was the alpha male against a class of mostly republican emasculated wimps. Trump also won because Hilary is such an awful person.

"smart folks" don't turn away. those easily manipulated by media turn away. I agree to a point, he's not polished, he's got no filter. he is who he is.

doubtful trump would be my friend, but he'd make a good boss if the job you had was the right fit.

I still don't have any serious differences with him.

deep seated issues? like what?

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by raydawg on 03/14/18 at 10:00:11


477572636475625D71627B100 wrote:
Trump won because he was himself, he didn't put on an act. He won because he was the alpha male against a class of mostly republican emasculated wimps. Trump also won because Hilary is such an awful person.

"smart folks" don't turn away. those easily manipulated by media turn away. I agree to a point, he's not polished, he's got no filter. he is who he is.

doubtful trump would be my friend, but he'd make a good boss if the job you had was the right fit.

I still don't have any serious differences with him.

deep seated issues? like what?


I am going back to work today, HOORAY.....
So I won't be playing as much on here, I know,I know, a win, win  ;D

Trump to me is a classic example of a person who is a" egoistical SOB with a inferiority complex......

A true leader gives credit to others who help in making plans and ideas become reality.
Looking for ideas, and consensus, from all folks elected by their constituents, then making the hard choices needed to find the best outcome. Then selling the idea to the population based on why he believes it is the best idea.....

Not call others, who find issues with the idea, idiots......    

I am afraid you might be too close to the tree, to see the forest, the man, based solely on his staff shake-ups, is just cause to give the man tighter scrutiny into his thinking and reasoning capacities, abilities....

Yes, he is getting pounded by many in the press, but a good chef would turn off the burners, not cooking anything, if the heat is getting to him, not turn on more.....  

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 03/14/18 at 11:12:31


47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:
.2% vote total difference.
Hardly a landslide.
And Lamb is , from what little I've heard, not a hard left democrat. He's supposedly a fairly conservative guy, so, it's not like we elected TT.



well, you don't live in PA, so you didn't elect anyone, it's not a "we" there is it?

and trust me, I'm from PA originally, a "fairly conservative guy" in PA isn't the same as a "fairly conservative guy" in Texas

I'm a "fairly conservative guy" like Lamb, from PA and you all think I'm freaking idiot liberal.

notice that most of my arguments aren't about what you are saying or the "facts" but about how you guys argue here, all the whataboutism and extreme straw-man examples and just all the hyperbole and foolishness

I point out nuance where you all use blanket statements to assassinate the character of politicians and anyone you don't like and issues and "controversies" you all refuse to actually look into


Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 03/14/18 at 11:14:26


6A79617C796F7F180 wrote:
[quote author=655750414657407F534059320 link=1520993304/0#7 date=1521041620]Trump doesn't get what?


That he won because he was an outside to the ugliness of how Washington works, etc....
He has made it uglier.
Yeah, I get those who hate him, etc, but you don’t become them in the process yourself.
He thinks his core 30% is his everyone views him, he is mistaken I believe.

I think one of his best arguments, to Blacks was, what do you got to lose?
You don’t need to be combative and argumentative about everything, smart folks turn away from such behavior.

As to the sitting president always loses seats is because I think they fail to listen to their own campaign rhetoric.

Like on the tax cut, he should just let the results speak for themselves, not spiking the football 29 times in any given interview,etc...
He doesn’ t Seem to understand when he promotes himself he is also promoting more hate of himself.....

The guy really has some deep seated issues, it’s not an act.
I could never be friends with a person like him.[/quote]


maybe you aren't the fool you think yourself to be, I couldn't have said it better myself

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/18 at 11:29:53


755C415E56415F4A7F5C40477241475A4047330 wrote:
[quote author=47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 link=1520993304/0#5 date=1521039401].2% vote total difference.
Hardly a landslide.
And Lamb is , from what little I've heard, not a hard left democrat. He's supposedly a fairly conservative guy, so, it's not like we elected TT.



well, you don't live in PA, so you didn't elect anyone, it's not a "we" there is it?

and trust me, I'm from PA originally, a "fairly conservative guy" in PA isn't the same as a "fairly conservative guy" in Texas

I'm a "fairly conservative guy" like Lamb, from PA and you all think I'm freaking idiot liberal.

notice that most of my arguments aren't about what you are saying or the "facts" but about how you guys argue here, all the whataboutism and extreme straw-man examples and just all the hyperbole and foolishness

I point out nuance where you all use blanket statements to assassinate the character of politicians and anyone you don't like and issues and "controversies" you all refuse to actually look into

[/quote]

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Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by MnSpring on 03/14/18 at 12:18:33


09203D222A3D233603203C3B0E3D3B263C3B4F0 wrote:
"... a "fairly conservative guy" in PA isn't the same as a "fairly conservative guy" in Texas ..."
"... I'm a "fairly conservative guy" like Lamb, from PA and you all think I'm freaking idiot liberal ..."  


Their are Differences in, Lib/Con
as to where someone is from.
Liberal in Calf, is different than Liberal in Minn.
       (And Vicea -Versa)

One might say, (using 50% as the middle)
‘I am 20, or 30, 0r 40 %  Lib/Con’
 Yet to each, even this will have different meanings,
       to someone in Calf or TX.

So with that Lost.
 Where do you live, (State) ?
 What do you do for a Job ?
And without expounding in detail on one side or the other.
Do you believe,  (Generally), in:
1.  Arming Skilled Knowledgeable people inside a School ?
 2.  Put up More Signs, make more laws,
           saying, ’No Guns In Here”.
  3.  Or something in between ?


On this:
"...I’m a "fairly conservative guy" like Lamb, from PA and you all think I'm freaking idiot liberal..."

Does this mean,
you are a Nazi, Raciest, Homophobic, Fascist, Stupid, Dumb, Idiot, Moron, Bat $hit Crazy, Person  ?
Because you are Not a  Liberal ?



Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 03/14/18 at 12:41:08


40635E7D7F64636A0D0 wrote:
[quote author=09203D222A3D233603203C3B0E3D3B263C3B4F0 link=1520993304/15#15 date=1521051151] "... a "fairly conservative guy" in PA isn't the same as a "fairly conservative guy" in Texas ..."
"... I'm a "fairly conservative guy" like Lamb, from PA and you all think I'm freaking idiot liberal ..."  


Their are Differences in, Lib/Con
as to where someone is from.
Liberal in Calf, is different than Liberal in Minn.
       (And Vicea -Versa)

One might say, (using 50% as the middle)
‘I am 20, or 30, 0r 40 %  Lib/Con’
 Yet to each, even this will have different meanings,
       to someone in Calf or TX.

So with that Lost.
 Where do you live, (State) ?
 What do you do for a Job ?
And without expounding in detail on one side or the other.
Do you believe,  (Generally), in:
1.  Arming Skilled Knowledgeable people inside a School ?
 2.  Put up More Signs, make more laws,
           saying, ’No Guns In Here”.
  3.  Or something in between ?


On this:
"...I’m a "fairly conservative guy" like Lamb, from PA and you all think I'm freaking idiot liberal..."

Does this mean,
you are a Nazi, Raciest, Homophobic, Fascist, Stupid, Dumb, Idiot, Moron, Bat $hit Crazy, Person  ?
Because you are Not a  Liberal ?


[/quote]

I'm just addressing this "Does this mean,
you are a Nazi, Raciest, Homophobic, Fascist, Stupid, Dumb, Idiot, Moron, Bat $hit Crazy, Person  ?
Because you are Not a  Liberal ?"

cause it's the only part of that that's actually relevant, if you answer the rest of your questions I will.  


I've never said every conservative is any of those things, but some are, and some don't even know it. and it's even worse with liberals, some of them are those things too, but think they cant' be because they support the "right team"

I have a hard time understanding how you type, and I make fun of you for seemingly not being able to actually string together sentences properly, but that's YOU, and you alone.

you're special  :-*


Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by MnSpring on 03/14/18 at 13:01:23


654C514E46514F5A6F4C50576251574A5057230 wrote:
"... if you answer the rest of your questions I will ..."  

OK
Where do you live, (State) ?
 Minn, Think it's listed under the Avatar, and I believe you have mentioned it a few times.
What do you do for a Job ?
Retired.  (I work Very hard, at Not working, but it's not working)
Ya Probably got that from reading the Posts I post.

And without expounding in detail on one side or the other.
Do you believe,  (Generally), in:
1.  Arming Skilled Knowledgeable people inside a School ?
      A-Yep,  #1.
2.  Put up More Signs, make more laws,
          saying, ’No Guns In Here”.
 3.  Or something in between ?

               Your Turn !


Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by raydawg on 03/14/18 at 13:04:55

I hope folks can just slow down and listen to what folks in the middle are saying.
I’m told I can’t be a Democrat because of.....
So, I am written off because of folks who believe their way is better, kinda like Trump, and the far right, who see a messiah in him.

Again, draw a line in the sand, in effect, you just drew your prison wall.

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 13:15:00


7C5548575F4856437655494E7B484E53494E3A0 wrote:
[quote author=47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 link=1520993304/0#5 date=1521039401].2% vote total difference.
Hardly a landslide.
And Lamb is , from what little I've heard, not a hard left democrat. He's supposedly a fairly conservative guy, so, it's not like we elected TT.



well, you don't live in PA, so you didn't elect anyone, it's not a "we" there is it?

and trust me, I'm from PA originally, a "fairly conservative guy" in PA isn't the same as a "fairly conservative guy" in Texas

I'm a "fairly conservative guy" like Lamb, from PA and you all think I'm freaking idiot liberal.

notice that most of my arguments aren't about what you are saying or the "facts" but about how you guys argue here, all the whataboutism and extreme straw-man examples and just all the hyperbole and foolishness

I point out nuance where you all use blanket statements to assassinate the character of politicians and anyone you don't like and issues and "controversies" you all refuse to actually look into

[/quote]

Great! So you can toss out a topic and we can talk about it.

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by T And T Garage on 03/14/18 at 14:34:06

Here's one obvious clue as to how Lamb did in this election.

http://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/01/pennsylvania-special-election-fundraising-lamb-saccone-433530

For those of you who don't want to click:

Lamb’s financial strength is driven, in large part, by small-dollar donors. The vast majority of Lamb’s fundraising in the most recent filing period, nearly $3.2 million, came from individual contributors — and most of that, more than $1.8 million, came from contributors who gave less than $200. The campaign said in a press release earlier this week that the average contribution was $33.

Saccone, on the other hand, was more reliant on larger donors and political action committees. Of the $421,000 Saccone raised from individual donors, most of it ($314,000) came from those who gave $200 or more.


This speaks volumes as to how the public is reacting (now that they're awake) to business as usual.  Yeah, he raised more money, but much more than that, he got more people involved.  This is very reminiscent of Bernie's campaign, and is a look into the future of politics - we hope.  Big money is not the answer.

Bring on the midterms!!

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 03/14/18 at 14:51:53


312E282F32350434043C2E22695B0 wrote:
[quote author=7C5548575F4856437655494E7B484E53494E3A0 link=1520993304/15#15 date=1521051151][quote author=47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 link=1520993304/0#5 date=1521039401].2% vote total difference.
Hardly a landslide.
And Lamb is , from what little I've heard, not a hard left democrat. He's supposedly a fairly conservative guy, so, it's not like we elected TT.



well, you don't live in PA, so you didn't elect anyone, it's not a "we" there is it?

and trust me, I'm from PA originally, a "fairly conservative guy" in PA isn't the same as a "fairly conservative guy" in Texas

I'm a "fairly conservative guy" like Lamb, from PA and you all think I'm freaking idiot liberal.

notice that most of my arguments aren't about what you are saying or the "facts" but about how you guys argue here, all the whataboutism and extreme straw-man examples and just all the hyperbole and foolishness

I point out nuance where you all use blanket statements to assassinate the character of politicians and anyone you don't like and issues and "controversies" you all refuse to actually look into

[/quote]

Great! So you can toss out a topic and we can talk about it.
[/quote]

you threw out the topic, I was responding directly to you. if your topic that you threw out was relevant than my response is too.


jeesh, you take credit for something you didn't do, (you didn't vote for Lamb, so again, no "we") . and then you try to shovel your mistake onto me?  

and really, like it really matters....


Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/18 at 14:59:16

Wow, in America, Lamb was elected.
We, America, elected him.
It's a collective We.
I don't claim to have voted for him.
But,
Nuance

Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 03/14/18 at 15:22:51


11320F2C2E35323B5C0 wrote:
[quote author=654C514E46514F5A6F4C50576251574A5057230 link=1520993304/15#19 date=1521056468] "... if you answer the rest of your questions I will ..."  

OK
Where do you live, (State) ?
 Minn, Think it's listed under the Avatar, and I believe you have mentioned it a few times.
What do you do for a Job ?
Retired.  (I work Very hard, at Not working, but it's not working)
Ya Probably got that from reading the Posts I post.

And without expounding in detail on one side or the other.
Do you believe,  (Generally), in:
1.  Arming Skilled Knowledgeable people inside a School ?
      A-Yep,  #1.
2.  Put up More Signs, make more laws,
          saying, ’No Guns In Here”.
 3.  Or something in between ?

               Your Turn !

[/quote]

fair enough

I'm in Texas, originally from PA, wish I was still there, so does Texas

I'm a graphic artist/designer/web designer/email marketing for a local newspaper here, yes, it's struggling, but it's a good job, not a great job.

I didn't know you were retired and really didn't care

1.  Arming Skilled Knowledgeable people inside a School ?
 sure, I don't think it's like an amazing, outstanding, super dooper, best idea ever since sliced bread. But as long as there's proper training and certification to verify that training sure, but that has to be a LOT more than a simple Concealed Carry License, those things are a joke to get. If they are going to be responsible to protect children in schools then they have to be on a whole other level than your normal citizen with a CCL, and hopefully better training than the "Resource Officers" schools are hiring

2.    Put up More Signs, make more laws,
          saying, ’No Guns In Here”.
 3.  Or something in between ?

because schools aren't the only places mass shootings happen....

I think we could probably make some more laws, I'm fine with requiring reporting of criminal past activity to the background check system (the NRA isn't), and I'd like a mental health check before allowing someone to buy a serious weapon.  and by that I mean a lot more than simply checking a box saying "have you ever been institutionalized... blah blah blah" . like a decent attempt at screening for mental health. People need to really understand what they are buying. there are limits to our rights all over the place, so I don't buy this crap about hands off on the 2nd amendment, they've screwed up every other amendment what makes that one so special?

and I think it's up to the local areas and citizens to decide if they want the signs and "gun free" zones if they want. you can stay out of them if you don't feel safe.  Home school, private school, you have options.




Title: Re: Lamb is gonna win...,
Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 03/14/18 at 15:25:10


617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:
Wow, in America, Lamb was elected.
We, America, elected him.
It's a collective We.
I don't claim to have voted for him.
But,
Nuance



you could have worded it , "it's not like TT was elected" . see how that takes you out of it and is just as accurate.  

and no, "WE as America" didn't elect Lamb. The people of his district did, them and only them get the credit or the blame.

I know you guys don't like it but specificity is important. otherwise we could start claiming that JOG voted for a democrat since he says WE voted for Lamb...  and then we can lump him in with all the other crazy left wingers he hates so much. wouldn't that be fun?  ;D

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