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Title: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Oldfeller on 02/28/18 at 10:48:35 Once again, we go to the darkside of things seeking much better mileage compared to our two summers worth of use out of a motorcycle tire. Darkside isn't recommended and mounting the darkside tire is more difficult and is dangerous when mounting (popping) the tubeless bead on to a motorcycle rim. AS SUCH, understand you are treading where angels fear to tread ..... Tire is rated A for traction, A for temperature, 1,200 pounds standard load carry capacity at 35 psi and 40,000 miles for anticipated tread life under a standard load. It is a non-directional 3 ply, steel belted radial construction. Speed rating is Y — up to 186 mph. My Barcalounger can't even break 110 mph (shaft drive and the rev limiter forbid any higher speeds). Compared to the Swing Arm recess on the Barcalounger it is shorter than the existing Barcalounger tire by 3/8" and it will have an inch of clearance to the left and to the right (shaft drive is located inside the swing arm itself -- there is no wide drive belt in there eating up swing arm space like on a Savage). This nicely made Federal (South Korean brand name) tire has a nice rounded profile, not just some rounded corners, the whole surface is slightly rounded somewhat. Sweet riding & corning during the break in period, I would think ..... Lots of deep rain grooves so it should be safe enough in the wet when hitting standing water puddle sections. The Tread Compound used is a silica rubber which is a plus for both tire life and for wet traction. Reviews are good to excellent for everything except for traction in deep snow -- and this boy simply doesn't do snow when riding on a motorcycle. ::) |
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Title: Re: Cafe' Bike Tire Discussion Post by Oldfeller on 02/28/18 at 10:59:40 Now which one of you tire loving enthusiasts wishes to do a bought, shipped and mounted total cost per wear/mile competition to prove that your pick in tires has the largest bang for the buck? This is "best mileage" per dollar spent contest, in other words. Hard data all the way ..... :o Shinko ain't half bad in these sorts of contests, actually. The tire purchase cost is low and if you mount them yourself the relative cost of mounting on a shorter term tire doesn't dig you near as bad. We have done this competition in the past, but everyone gave up on it after all the competitors either sold off their bike or changed out their rear tire in the second year. I won by default on that last contest (I guess) as I was the last man standing which means there was nobody left to pay me the six pack which was the last contest's wager and that six pack is still due to the winner (me). We haven't done the contest in at least 3-4 years since then, although as Dave and MM can attest I am still running that exact same tire on the back of my Savage. Do you think your current tire pick was a good one? All you have to do is post your net purchase cost, taxes, your shipping costs, your tire mounting cost, your MEASURED tread depth in the middle of the tire (avoiding your wear marker humps and taking the measurement at your valve stem area so you can find the same spot again). Note: these contests have some real value to the list as they collect real data on tire brands vs tire wear/tire cost --- real mileage/wear data which helps people pick their next tire with better real knowledge. Real data is always preferred to "opinions" which is mostly all we get when discussing tires. ARE YOU CONFIDENT ENOUGH IN YOUR TIRE PICK TO BET A BEER OVER IT ??? ONLY REAL CURRENT REAR TIRE PURCHASES CAN BE ENTERED, detailing all shipping charges, discounts, deals, sales taxes and real mounting costs -- none of that "10 years ago I remembered buying a Metzler that lasted about 18,000 miles (I think, anyway, I never ever measured the tread depth on it so I really dunno)". You need to own a dial or a digital caliper that reads in thousandths to measure your tread depth (wear amount) periodically. =================================================== Hey, we can make the bet more interesting to you --- I'll race my existing Savage Darkside tire against your brand new motorcycle tire contenders. I've still got half my original tread depth left so it should be a fair enough contest, wouldn't you think? Racing against my yet to be installed Barcalounger tire would lack a certain element of fairness. I dare say my new Barcalounger tire would be a winner in the contest just laid out, as I only paid a net cost of - $3.13 for it after taking a $25 credit for opening a new charge card at Walmart.com and then getting another $25 good will credit for getting screwed up/over by Walmart 3 different times before the right tire actually showed up. Tire after taxes would have been $46.87, but the $50 in credits ran it down to -$3.13. yep, a negative number Next, I mount Darksiders on a Savage tube rim myself as it is a non-standard process. So I don't spend the mounting dollars most of you guys chose to spend. ;) |
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Title: Re: Oldfeller's Dark Side Post by MMRanch on 02/28/18 at 20:30:56 If only them tires came in a 17" to fit the guzzi ? When the Commander II on the Savage is gone , then I'd be game to go DARK again if I can find a 145/85-15 even a 145/80-15.. I've got a 60 series 145 size wasting away in my shop now ! Making the rim tubeless is the option I'm thinking . If I mess my rim up then I've got a couple of friends who could set me up with a replacement . ::) |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by Oldfeller on 03/01/18 at 00:50:38 MM was running a Darkside tire when I first met him -- he proved to me that you could do it on a Savage. We both lost our original Darkside tire due to tube failure / low air pressure issues long long before we wore them out. Now I take care to make sure my Savage Darkside stays up at 32-35 psi, intentionally keeping it somewhat firm for consistent non-squiggly handling. MM liked to intentionally run somewhat lower psi, but he admits that the issues that made him take the tire off actually came from that habit. Mike, you need to know the size and profile of the tire you have now, note the CLEARANCE that you have to the shaft drive and the swing arms on both sides and then again to the front of the swing arm and then play with a tool like this one to spot your issues with various sizes and aspects of tires. All tires (motorcycle and car) use the same width, aspect, radial/bias and rim size notations. Remember, a smaller width on the same rim means a lower profile (and a stiffer tire) automatically. Use this tool to scan what is available out there in 17" and 15" tires. https://www.tirerack.com/tires/sizes/results.jsp?diameter=17 This tool compares two different spec'd tires so you can spot differences in size and aspect. https://tire-calc.com/ |
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Title: Re: Cafe' Bike Tire Discussion Post by Dave on 03/01/18 at 03:25:48 4D6E6664676E6E6770020 wrote:
That was a competition I never officially entered. I use very soft/sticky tires on my Cafe' bike, and can wear out a tire in 6,000 miles - which is about 2 -3 years of use on my Cafe'. My tire usage is not all that thrifty - but it is part of the "Cost of Living" (This is the way I want to live and that is what it costs). I might be able to cut the cost of tires a little bit if I bought Shinko's and slowed down in the corners a little bit.............Naaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! ;) |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by Oldfeller on 03/01/18 at 04:25:52 So, the only one who ever gave me alcohol wasn't even in on the contest. ;D I think I only squalled my big tire once in all those years of running around in the mountains and that was when I was following you up in your home country. Actually, I ought to buy you guys a round with all the tire money I saved BY NOT HAVING TO CHANGE MY REAR TIRE EVERY TWO YEARS. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/01/18 at 07:03:01 Looks like a car tire to me. It also looks like to most un-fun tire you could ever put on a motorcycle. You'd have to wrestle with the bike every time you'd want to turn. Really, that tire has the profile of a 4x4 piece of wood. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by Dave on 03/01/18 at 07:17:20 7D777379727B7F76282E2A1A0 wrote:
That is what logic would imply......both Oldfeller and MM have chased me around the mountains using these tires - and they have never had any trouble riding at "qualifying speeds"! |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by Oldfeller on 03/01/18 at 07:46:22 Dave, he is just repeating what he has read elsewhere -- what else can he do? Nobody believes it until they follow right behind MM or me and watch some -- they don't understand "patch" for very much and they assume the bottom of the tire is FLAT like a cinderblock and you have to tilt the cinderblock up on an edge to make a curve. Gary, how do the front tires of your family sedan make it around a sharp turn? How do the back tires make it, back tires which wear pretty much flat style, now don't they? Answer: the tread stays mostly flat and the sidewalls flex some allowing the tire to progress around the turn --- this actually works for most civilized maneuvers at most civilized speeds. In the really extreme stuff, you do raise up one edge of the flat portion up into the air but about half the tire still stays in engagement, maybe dropping down to a third of the tire staying engaged if you are doing a really really nasty peg dragger. So, if you are down to that critical third of a tire surface, how much rubber is actually engaged on a large tire like this one? Answer, about twice as much patch engagement size as you will ever get on a motorcycle tire, ever. Do you have to fight to go around a curve? No. Not at all. If anything, you fall over into a tight curve a little easier than with a standard tire -- I suspect this is because your contact line departs from the center of the tire moving over "towards the curve" to be inside the last third of the tire and you feel like you have some power steering going on to a very minor degree during this transition phase. Gary, you are due for a Dragon trip or a Suches trip, aren't you? |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/01/18 at 08:21:49 I'm not repeating what I've seen elsewhere as I have never seen a motorcycle tire like that (well maybe on a sidecar bike). Cars and motorcycles do not turn in the same manner. Whereas a single track vehicle will lean from side-to-side, an automobile will yaw or pivot about the cg of the tire. The lateral forces are translated to the sidewall and the sidewall will flex as a result. The steering inputs aren't even the same, nor are the forces and vectors. I'd have to try the tire to experience. All of my street experience is on sport bikes (which I consider my cafe racer to be). The only S40/LS650 I've ever ridden is my cafe racer...and I never once rode that (or even sat on it) as cruiser. I rolled it out of my pick-up and immediately started taking it apart. Dirt bike tires (the other type of riding which I am accustomed) tend to be very square, so I can make that analogy for understanding. However, the surface on which a dirt bike operates is much more forgiving than asphalt. I'm seriously thinking about a Dragon run this year. As to what bike I would bring...and given the 60 mile range of my cafe racer...I'm thinking I'd be on my FZ - round profile tires and all. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by Dave on 03/01/18 at 10:24:04 Gary: Once you are used to a bike like the Cafe' or a sport bike....the stock Savage is a bit strange for the first few miles. Your feet are really far forward, your rear end is really low, your hands are up high.....and when you enter a turn the bike seems like it "falls" into the turns - I believe it is the rake of the forks that makes it feel that way. The Savage can corner really well - but those first few miles sorta make me feel like I am a beginner and need to learn how to ride again. I do believe we (I) will be going to the Dragon area sometime in June and August. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by Oldfeller on 03/01/18 at 14:23:04 Gary, http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1518871430/0 Dave posts: The Suches trip is tentatively scheduled for the first weekend in June (weather permitting). I could arrive in the area in the afternoon of Wednesday, May 30, and stay until Sunday, June 3rd. If the weather isn't good that weekend......postpone the event until the following weekend. (June 6-10). It is an 8 hour trip for me to get there and I will be towing my bike behind my car on my trailer, and I can pack the Mega tent that sleeps 4 easily (and I can sleep in my trailer if the tent gets full). This will be a ride/eat/sight see trip - with the focus on riding. The Two Wheels of Suches provides a great home base......it is easy to ride the local roads and then come back for meals. Short rides to places like Chatuge Lake where there is a great restaurant on the edge of the lake, and Copperhill on the way to/from the Natahalla River proved to be good rides and good food. Wolf Pen Gap provides a really fun ride with turns that are really tight.....there are 2 hairpin turns that are 1st gear 180 turns.....and 129 is more open and very hilly and twisty - we can even ride up to Booger Hollow where MM can get his Dollar Store Mountain Dew supply! |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Job on 05/22/18 at 18:52:37 Old Timer, I know this is an old post but I have recently went dark side on my S40. I am using a 560R15 radial car tire and I am very pleased with it. I have over 700 miles on it now, most of them in the mountains of south west Colorado. I can't believe how well planted the bike is. I just wanted to let you know that there are still a few Darksiders out there. Jeff Billingsley |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by MMRanch on 05/22/18 at 20:13:34 a 560R15 radial car tire Job I'm interested in more info about that tire ! :o I've been using the Commander II (on my second one now) and got 22,000 miles + out of the first one. I've had auto tires on my Savage and I know what you mean by that solid feeling that a bike tire can never have. :) Last time I looked for a Dark-side tire I didn't find a useable size so … I tried the Commander II , its second best ! |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by mpescatori on 05/23/18 at 02:04:27 Hello guys, I read of your issue with "bedding in" a tubeless car tire to a motorcycle rim made for tubed rubber. Has anyone evr tried a "tyre", i.e. a tire made in England specifically made for wire wheels? Those things need an inner tube… MGC tires came in 165x15, wire wheels demanded an inner tube. Same applies to vintage Triumphs, Jaguars, VW Bugs… all came with 15" wheels. Just thinking… ALSO I am in the process of creating a "1950's nostalgia" tribute out of my Savage, and have fitted a 17" rear wheel off a Suzuki DR; same shaft, same brake drum, same overall dimensions, and with a 130/90x17 tire the rolling radius is the same. Also… HD Dynas come with 16" rear wheels, the belt drive is on the same side, maybe the belt pulley is compatible… (teeth size etc.) but I wouldn't know about belt width; I wouldn't be surprised to learn our thumpers have a beefier belt than V-twins... So … maybe… ::) ;) |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by springman on 05/23/18 at 11:04:03 I don't think I am ready to go over to the dark side yet, though tempting. Just thought I would let everyone know that my Shinko 230 Tourmaster rear tire only gave me 6000 miles. Both previous Shinko 712 rear tires gave me around 9K miles. I switched to the 230 based on calling Shinko USA and talking to one of their guys. He indicated the 230 was newer technology and should last longer. He was wrong. The 712 is a good tire and previously gave me 50% longer treadwear. I am considering the Michelin Commander II but think I just do not ride enough and think maybe going back to the Shinko 712 would give me a good tire that I can wear out in roughly 2 years as opposed to going maybe 5 years on the Michelin. I think I prefer having fresh rubber. Oh, the Shinko 230 front tire still looks good. We'll see how long it lasts. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Job on 05/23/18 at 18:55:13 MMRanch, the tire I used is a Nankang 135R15. I could find a few 145/80/15's online but when I would get to the dimensional specs they were too large. The 135R15 is nearly identical as the original OE tire. I got the tire on Amazon for $61 and no freight. The tire had good ratings. It went on the wheel easy, but it took 135 lbs of air to seat the bead. The tire guy couldn't believe the tube and tire could take that pressure. He used a cage when inflating it. I feel that this tire will give me good service I am hoping for 20-25,000 miles out of it. My Shinko 230 was able at 8,000 miles. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Oldfeller on 05/23/18 at 19:10:05 Job, you are trying to seat an enlarged rubber sealing flap that comes on car tires on a rim that has no place for it -- you can simply trim off the flap off the tire and it will seat with much more reasonable air pressures. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Job on 05/23/18 at 19:36:16 Oldfeller, I didn't want to alter the tire if I didn't have to. I mounted it on the wheel at home, but my little air compressor would only put out to 80 psi. So I took it to a used tire store that also does choppers and the guy there said no problem. When it was done he said I would never have to worry about that tire coming off the bead. Haha. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by MMRanch on 05/23/18 at 21:15:44 I may just stick with the Commander II tire … over 22,000 miles on a bike tire ain't to shabby and they mount easy . I'm waiting for one of the other bike tire manufactures to challenge Michelin's dominance in longevity ! The Avon Road Rider is close as I've found in any other brand so far. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Dave on 05/24/18 at 02:36:55 797A7863646D676B640A0 wrote:
Has your riding style changed any - are you taking the corners faster than you used to? Are you accounting for the fact that your odometer is no longer reading the same since you installed the Kawasaki front pulley? |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by springman on 05/24/18 at 08:02:38 Dave, I might be riding a bit faster. I did not account for the front pulley but if you add 10%, 6600 miles is still not very good. I think I will order the 712 and see what kind of mileage I get on it this time. Thanks for the observations. I guess what really surprised me is that before leaving to the Hill Country it looked like I still had plenty of tread and some 1300-1400 miles later the tire is practically bald. I don't know, it just caught me by surprise. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Oldfeller on 05/24/18 at 09:20:54 MM has mentioned the Texas tar and chip roads to me as "very rapidly eroding his tires" as they are sharp edged crushed mini-rocks stuck over a layer of tar. They literally cut little bites of rubber off your tires in a hard turn or in any form of hard braking. Doing both items at the same time would be pretty bad on your tires, I'd guess. Not having been, I have no personal info to share, but MM does. I can speak to the high summertime road temperatures having the ability to rapidly "erase away" motorcycle tires as I have watched that happen on the last bike tire I put on my Savage while up at the Dragon proper on our very last Dragon Lodge stay. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by springman on 05/25/18 at 08:25:51 MM is right. Those roads are probably very abrasive and combined with the heat I guess they can chew up your tire quickly. Also that Shinko Tourmaster does seem to be pretty soft rubber. Oh well, I ordered my Shinko 712 and if it does poorly mileage wise, then I'll probably try the Michelin Commander II next time. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by MMRanch on 05/25/18 at 18:09:38 I've wore out two of them : 1. On the Harley 18,000+ miles (Dave acused me of Drag Raceing with it) ::) 2. Regular stuff on the S-40 ::) ::)replace it after over 22,000 miles (it was into the wear bars) , beating cars of the lights all the time but not using the rear brake hardly at all. I supect the second one will give a simular performance. They are not good on wet roads . That first time near Suches we were on Hwy 129 on WET roads. Dave was leading and running way with his sport tires and light bike. The Harley with the Commander II on the rear was slip-slidding around every curve to the point of me driving like Granny on the way to Church Sunday morning. ::) |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by badwolf on 05/25/18 at 20:22:41 First thing = I am NOT trying to put anyone down or disrespect anyone in any way. Tire choices are a personal thing baised on a LOT of factors. I am just adding my experences and looking for some input from others. I run a Shinko 230 on my S-40 single seat bagger. I ride a lot of interstate. I run both Kaw pulleys and a big tire to slow down the engine to about 3400 rpm at 60mph. I am retired and have been riding since I was 17, so the go fast/drag the pegs type riding has left my system. Now some numbers, my first 230 gave me 16,200 miles, second 14,800 miles. All easy cruising, the sides of the tread looked like new when the middle tread was gone. A BIG difference from you guys,,,BUT,,, I run a 150/90 15 tubeless on a solid aluminum 3.5'' rim at 30-31 psi. The center is much wider than a 130 or 140 on a narrower rim. By comparison I got 7,000 on a Dunlop 404 -130/90 15 on the stock rim with a tube. The first 230 was a leftover closeout and was over 4 years old when I put it on, the second was 2 months. Ageing of the rubber may have been a factor for the longer wear. I tried a Shinko 777 130/90 16 HD 6 ply on a 2.5'' tubeless rim, and was disapointed to have the cord start to show on a little patch in the middle 300 miles away from home after only 4,400 miles, a very gentle ride home and swapped that one out at 4,700, for my 3rd 230. The 777 I was running 37-38 psi and looking back that may have been a factor. Higher pressure rolls easier and normally corners better, but rides harder and wears the middle faster. That said, there extremes both ways that can be dangerous. Start with stock pressure and try a couple of lbs both ways to see what suits you. Now can I get some feedback? You guys that got 6k on your 230's, What size tire? What rim width? Tube or tubeless? What tire pressure? How old was the tire when mounted? How long (months/years) did it take to wear it out? How agressive do you,, ah,, ah,,, exercise your right wrist and toe? What numbers have you got with other tires? Lets compare some more than just total mileage numbers and perhaps we can actually find one or two common factors. On a side note, my first 2 Shinko 230's were 5.9'' wide on the 3.5'' rim. My 3rd is 6.3'' wide on the same rim, makes it tough to fit it under the fender. I may try a 140 next time. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Job on 05/25/18 at 21:44:17 Badwolf, I got 8000 miles out of the Shinko 230 that I just took off running a stock S40 rim and 33 psi as specified. That is the best mileage i have ever gotten on any motorcycle rear tire. I do not know how you guys are getting the mileage you are getting. I have been riding bikes for 55 years and I admit I tend to ride it like I stole it. I ride in the San Juan mountains of Colorado and I love to ride the curves fast. I am hoping that I can finally get 2 years of riding out of a car tire. I ride all year long and if there is snow in the mountains i ride in New Mexico. Hopefully this is some help. Jeff |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by badwolf on 05/25/18 at 21:49:57 Job, What size? 130/90 15, 140/90/15, or something else? |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Job on 05/25/18 at 21:57:21 140/90/15 Shinko 230. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Job on 05/25/18 at 22:00:26 The car tire I am running now is a Nankang 135 R15. I am running 32 psi single 34 psi 2 up. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by Dave on 05/26/18 at 04:13:54 63464B290 wrote:
That pretty much tells the story.......I am in the same situation and I only get 6,000 mile out of a tire. I think I am only getting about 4,000 miles out of the front Bridgestone BT-45s on both the Ninja and my Cafe' bike. (I won't buy them again as the little square tread blocks wear too quickly when you corner aggressively). The rear tires will likely last twice as long as the front! :o The Michelin Commander is a hard "cruiser" tire, and what it gains in long mileage it loses in wet weather traction. I have ridden with Badwolf, and he obtains his high mileage numbers by being kind to his tires. He does not punish them in the corners like I do, and he accelerates and brakes calmly - his tires and motorcycle appreciate his kindness and in return they will last a long time. It has also been my experience that if you take a tire to the mountains that is nearing the end of it's tread life and is more than 5 years old and the afternoon temperatures are up around 90 - you can wear it out in 2 days! My wife and I went to Suches last year and I thought I could get the rest of the summer out of the tire.....but in two days the tread was gone and the back of the motorcycle was covered in black rubber shavings! (We did have a lot of fun wearing it out!). I don't darkside - but I have been impressed by the performance and life they provide. Oldfeller and MMRanch made a believer out of me by proving they work just fine. It does look a bit odd when you are following them and see the bike lean over onto a somewhat squarish shoulder and half of the tread is up in the air = but in reality our rounded motorcycle tires are doing the same thing and most of the tread is not in contact with the pavement....the round profile just doesn't look as weird. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by springman on 05/29/18 at 09:50:34 Badwolf, the Shinko 230 140/90-15 rear tire I just wore out at 6k miles or 6.6K factoring in my front kaw pulley was under a year old when I mounted it and timewise it lasted about 18 months. I tend to gun it at the lights just to get away from the cars. When I use it to get to work (about 35 miles each way) I ride between 70-75 most of the way. Fully geared up I am probably just shy of 200lbs. It does get ridiculously hot here in Houston which could be a factor. My two previous rear tires were Shinko 712 140/90-15 and they both gave me between 8-9k miles and when I changed them were not quite as bald as this 230. Maybe I just got a bad 230 though it did perform well, or maybe I am just riding more aggressively. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by MMRanch on 05/29/18 at 19:03:26 That "GOOD YEAR EAGLE GT" IN 145/85-15 , was a Really good tire till I let the air pressure down and ripped the cords in it ! It had over 20,000 miles on it and was about 1/2 wore out . ………………….……………. Avon is garenteering 15,000 miles out of some of their sport bike tires now. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Job on 05/29/18 at 19:12:47 MMRanch, I hope they are much better than they were 2 years ago. I bought an Avon Viper Strike for my scooter a 300 cc Yamaha clone and it was baby behind bald in 4000 miles. I have to say that it was great in the twisties. Jeff |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Job on 05/29/18 at 19:21:28 MMRanch did that Goodyear Eagle GT fit the Savage without any clearance issues. Each of the 145/90's I looked at online seemed to be too wide at the front of the swing arm. Thanks, Jeff. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by MMRanch on 05/29/18 at 20:39:01 there ain't no 145/90-15 ? 85 series is the biggest I ever seen . I would have got another one but the 60 series is all I could find so I got one of them … still got it … its to short to get an inter tube into ! if the 145/85 will not fit then you must be running the 25 tooth front pully. Remember our bike came with a 140/80 series . BigZuk had a 150/90 on his he also had the factory short (10.5") shocks and the fender rubbed on big bumps . but 12" shocks would have fixed it , but he just quit hitting big bumps ! ;D now that i have discovered the Commander II I'm not on the hunt for Dark-side no more. 22,000+ miles is close to 3 years ridding. I would like to go tubeless and use the 145/60-15 I already have but I'm not sure how that might work ? ::) |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by Job on 05/29/18 at 21:40:28 MMRanch, sorry fat fingers it was a 145/85 Shinko that I had on and it would rub the bolt heads under the fender on big bumps. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by MMRanch on 05/30/18 at 07:13:36 That sounds like the same problem BigZuk had with the 150/90-15 he had . I'm kind-of long legged (5'10") so I tend to run 12 or 12.5 " shocks. I do have to keep the belt a little loose so it can move up to level without breaking something ! Come to think of it , with the 25 tooth front pulley the 140/90-15 I'm running now is really close to the front of the swing arm. I've had the thought : If I run a 130/90-15 then the tire would fit wider/flatter on the rim and might last longer instead of wearing out the middle of the round profile so quick. ??? :-? |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by badwolf on 05/30/18 at 07:41:55 Mike, Get a different wheel. Mine is a 15 x 3.5'' cast. Widens the sidewalls and I can run tubeless. Mine is from a 02' V800, was a little work to adapt, but nice now that it's on. Should be several wheels that will work, IF you don't mind a little work. Easy way, have your stock wheel re-laced with a wider rim, 3'' -3.5''. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by ohiomoto on 05/30/18 at 20:51:57 657765777A69666B60280 wrote:
-------------------------------------- What? Your legs gain nothing with longer shocks until they touch the ground at which point you can straighten them out as much as you want anyway. Longer shocks will not change the distance from the seat to pegs. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by MMRanch on 05/30/18 at 22:15:09 Longer shocks change a lot of stuff , one of them being the angle of the front forks in relation to the ground. :) Longer shocks also make my floorboards futher off the ground so I can have a greater lean angle . Stiffer springs in the front would be good too , for the same reason. ;) If you live in Flat-Land , then you may never know the difference. :-? |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robinson Post by batman on 05/30/18 at 22:47:45 When you put on longer shocks, the only thing that doesn't gain ground clearance is your axles. |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by ohiomoto on 05/31/18 at 04:29:11 And yet it has absolutely no affect on the relationship between the seat and pegs which is why the long-legged comment makes no sense. Oh well, this is the internet so carry on. ::) |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by Dave on 05/31/18 at 04:46:00 4A584A58554649444F070 wrote:
Because the "90" profile tires have such a tall sidewall, they can fit a wide range of rim widths.....and the 130 and 140 width tire are within the recommended fitment range for a 2.75" wide rim (although on the narrow end). I don't think you would see much difference in tire mileage for the center of the tire. I do believe the 130 tire would quicken the steering and acceleration as the tire is lighter - the 140 does however improve straight line stability and improve gearing for those long rides to Texas! The Michelin Commander does not come in a 130/90-15 size - so you would have to find a new "favorite" high mileage tire. It is a shame that they don't make Cruiser size tires with a hard center tread for mileage and a soft side tread for cornering grip - they make those kind of tires for sport and sport touring bikes. http://i61.tinypic.com/291nvvt.jpg Although I like the Shinko 230 and believe it is a good bargain for folks that only ride 2,000 miles a years - I just don't see any tire choices in the 130/90-15 size that are going to get you 20,000 miles like your Commander tire does. https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/130-90-15-street-motorcycle-tires/t119qv6t |
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Title: Re: Darkside on 15" rims -- Danger, Will Robi Post by MMRanch on 05/31/18 at 07:49:11 Ohiomoto You right , the legg room don't change , the seat angle changes a little but not much. I have found Floorboards are easy to get Spoiled too . I can slid my feet back almost to "Standard" seating position or slide my feet forward to "Cruiser" seating position … or anywhere in the middle ! :) Any shocks longer than 12.5" makes the swingarm ride so low that the belt gives problems. I've got an ebay bid on a 12" pair off a Sportster now. There are so many things about the Savage that are easily changed , I can't help but love this bike ! 8-) |
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