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Title: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/12/18 at 09:55:09 I will ask one more time, but I won't hold my breath.... Who comes her to really dialogue, delving into possibilities, when its easier to go and find a supporting argument, then utter it as justification. The question: What would/might have happened if Comey had indeed recommended charges, be files against Hillary based on the laws. Where do you think this "crisis" would have ended? I am hoping we get past the shallow chant of "lock her up" mentality, as justification to the "rule of law", being executed accordingly. Think what/how this might have impacted the very fabric and core of everyday living of common folks who must play by the rules everyday. Also, how would it have impacted our standings in foreign policies? Please, I get the argument that she brought all this upon her self, you are absolutely right.... Anybody who offers otherwise is so deep into kool-aid, they will prolly drown before the outcome of this sordid mess is finished, if ever....??? Think for a moment just how deep this event cut into our system of governance. I think one of those who looked upon our democracy once stated that it, our system, would fall/fail, from with-in...... without a shot ever being fired. I believe this event sheds the possibility to his prediction as realistic. Ya wanna try? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/12/18 at 10:26:14 5 views, and no reply........gee, maybe they are thinking, first ::) |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 10:35:11 I read it Ray, and it's an exercise in futility. I'm hoping to see justice and I'd be fine with it going back to Bush. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/12/18 at 10:41:41 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
Why Jog, you can't think critically? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/12/18 at 10:53:57 you're asking us to answer a bunch of hypothetical questions. that's not really critical thinking as much as it is creative thinking. cause honestly, no one really knows. would she have dropped out of the election? idk, she as enough ego not to, and if she did would it be an admission of guilt? and if people saw it like that would she stay in to prove her innocence even if she was guilty? either way, we can, I think, safely assume that it wouldn't have helped her chances in the election, so she still would have lost, so now she'd be prosecuted as a private citizen, and I think Trump might be after her to do that anyway so you might get your answer in the near future. I'm not sure there would have been a crisis. Maybe in the democratic party, but maybe that kind of purge would be good for them. Foreign policies? probably no impact. don't see why and common everyday people get shafted by the law everyday |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 11:38:16 We could pound that forever and not have an answer. Pure conjecture, on, as stated above, hypothetical questions. Ray, if anyone has demonstrated the ability to think critically, I have. Your challenge is a waste of time. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/12/18 at 12:28:35 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
you have? when was that? I mean I know you know your conservative talking points, you got those down pat. but actually thinking about all the other possiblities and checking out various sources that might even conflict with your dearly held conservative beliefs... I haven't seen that yet. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/12/18 at 12:38:20 Guys, of course it’s hypothetical, so is the fake news with anonymous sources, yet, they go on to create headlines on pure conjecture, and folks cling to it like gospel.... Look at what happened in Florida with a hanging chad, etc... It went straight to the highest court to decide the outcome of our election. I do not believe for one second Hillary would have went without a fight. Her chits are scattered far and wide. Her deviousness, the depth and breadths, of her manipulative behavior, has probably landed on more folks than any flu bug. She probably trapped folks into her web. She is that good. She still holds sway today, look at what a surpreme court judge said yesterday about the elections outcome, my gawd! Yes, it would have serverly crippled the democrat party with collateral damage far exceeding this woman’s own guilt. State and local elections would have been unjustly affected by this event. In effect, it would have demolished one of the main pillars that hold up our political system. The resulting would have GREATLY thrown our two party system out of balance. The lingering effect, coupled with who won, most likely would have sent us spiraling out of control, that would take years, if not decades, to repair its effect. I never want to see EITHER party with that kind of control. You want a tyranny, that would have almost assured it! Now you partisans can return to your bickering and masterbation..... I knew better. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 13:51:23 0A233E21293E203500233F380D3E38253F384C0 wrote:
you have? when was that? I mean I know you know your conservative talking points, you got those down pat. but actually thinking about all the other possiblities and checking out various sources that might even conflict with your dearly held conservative beliefs... I haven't seen that yet. [/quote] I don't Know of any Source that points out the mental gymnastics required to describe BOMBING A SOCIETY TO SMITHEREENS and Calling it a Humanitarian Mission. I CHALLENGE you to defend what was done to Libya. Or Iraq, for that matter. Understand that Saddam told, I wanna say Susan rice that Kuwait was directionally drilling into Iraqi oil deposits and he was planning on invading. She told him that was a local matter that we wouldn't involve ourselves in. Don't forget about the crying girl, telling us about the eeeevil Iraqi soldiers tossing babies out of incubators.. She was an ambassadors daughter. All staged Bullshit. I'm a Libertarian. Not a republican. Certainly not a liberal. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/12/18 at 15:07:54 have I ever argued with you about your points on Libya or Iraq or any of the war/military actions? that's because I mainly agree with you on those,, maybe not so much to the extreme of it all being some conspiracy of some kind or the other, but I agree we shouldn't have done any of those, I'm on the fence about Afghanistan, but mainly because of how hopeless that place is. The only real reason for Lybia, is that we were backing up our French Allies that wanted something done in Lybia for some reason, but yeah, that was a sh!t show that even at the time I thought was a mistake. I've oddly been okay with Trump's actions, not his rhetoric on war though, but, so far, so good (fingers crossed) |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 15:52:51 Iran was on the list Wesley Clarke made public shortly after 9/11. So far every middle east military venture has been in one of those countries on the list. I'm very concerned that we will be engaging in Iran. Libya was on the list, too. Funny to me that we decided we needed to Save the Libyan people from Gadhaffi when it seems to me they had it so much better before we Helped them. And funnier still the Reasons for invading were recent events, just prior to the invasion, even though Libya was on the list of countries to invade from just after 9/11. And Gadhaffi went to the U.N.Security Council and Told them that Europe would be overrun with refugees if they Took him out. Gee, did someone want those refugees to run through Europe? Why? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 16:00:32 Obviously the time line didn't work out General Wesley Clark – Seven Countries in Five Years | … genius.com › G › General Wesley Clark We’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran. Retired General Wesley Clark No news source points this out that I know of. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/12/18 at 16:01:28 this is getting very tangental and off the rails. I mean, are you really saying "but BUSH...." why would Wesley Clarke, since he made this "list" you think we are following, want refugees to run though Europe? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by Eegore on 02/12/18 at 18:29:13 With Trump in office and Hillary not in office, what is the issue? I mean I could ask what-ifs about Nixon or Bush, or Bush Jr., Obama, even Colin Powel for that matter. Is Hillary doing something now that this line of questioning is applicable to? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/12/18 at 18:49:20 Is that question directed at me? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/18 at 21:19:59 260F120D05120C192C0F1314211214091314600 wrote:
He didn't want that. He didn't write the list. He was shown it by someone who was mortified by it and released it, so we would know that plans for endless war were being made. I keep bringing it up because I want people to see that the foreign policy decisions that Obama went with were made before he was even elected. He took us to war, destroyed Libya, opening the floodgates that Gadhaffi Warned the U.N.Security Council about, and the decision to destroy Libya was made For Him. I don't know what Trump is gonna do. Iran and Syria are on the list. Bush wanted to smash Iraq before he was elected. Seems like Saddam had done something or tried to do something to his dad.. Another candidate for prison, IMO. You're not gonna catch me defending any former president. I'll admit what they did right, but I don't think any of them qualify as Good Americans. Writing unconstitutional executive orders is spitting on us. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by Eegore on 02/13/18 at 07:47:01 35263E23263020470 wrote:
Yes, why are you asking about what could have happened with Hillary? Is something going on now that she's involved in? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/13/18 at 09:08:24 0A2A28203D2A4F0 wrote:
Yes, why are you asking about what could have happened with Hillary? Is something going on now that she's involved in?[/quote] Did you read my post/reply to Jog? Its not what would of happened if she won..... I believe none of this dossier/Russia, even the sexual harassment, stuff would be a story. My post was about why all this energy to get Hillary, via the dossier/emails. If Comey had recommended prosecution, and the AJ and justice department arrested her, etc, it would have been much worse on the country than letting her get away with it. Does that make any sense now? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by Eegore on 02/13/18 at 19:58:28 Yeah it makes more sense. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/13/18 at 21:16:25 Now it wouldn't be so chaos inducing. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/13/18 at 21:37:36 786761667B7C4D7D4D75676B20120 wrote:
Exactly...... All this effort to get trump is just a waste of energy, it keeps the gotcha games going, and it’s the same waste going for Hillary. She caused all this crap going on now, it’s so Sid Blumenthal MO. I think the mess is those like Comey knew this, but had to stretch the truth, etc.... And of course since this was all based on something less than the truth, it got tangled up. You see what I mean now? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/13/18 at 21:51:53 Yeah, they drank their own koolaid, and expected her to win. Everything would have gone away. The Strzok and Page types would have been treated well. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 08:51:37 392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:
Yes, I expected her to win...... HOWEVER, not by, with the help of Comey, etc, overtly, as in a way to circumvent the system. I think, as you do, as the media did, etc, that her winning would cancel out all this crap she pulled. NO ONE, other than Web, thought she would win..... And the shady dealings in the swamp would continue as usual. The other option of arresting her, charging her, etc, would have GREATLY upset the apple cart, even more than what is happening now, WHICH, might work out to be a blessing in many ways, when its all over. Can't you see that it's almost like a Keystone Cop comedy, with a serious plot? ;D |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 10:16:18 Very serious plot. And Plot Can be used in more than one way. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 10:37:12 495650574A4D7C4C7C44565A11230 wrote:
Agree, let me put into context. Serious plot: To orchestra a plan to get Hillary elected. Simple plot: To minimize damage to our system of governing because of Hillary's actions. What I believe they "hoped for" was to slide the whole event under the radar. What we have learned: With today's 24/7 NEWS pimping, and with technologies, no closet can ever hold skeletons, anymore..... Sooner, or later, the lock will get picked. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by verslagen1 on 02/14/18 at 10:45:59 a serious plot... a place where one plans to bury the evidence. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 11:26:47 263522233C3137353E61500 wrote:
Cute, but no..... Now, you must answer the question I posed, what do you think, if the evidenced was weighed on the same scale of "normal" justice, would have been the resulting? Do you not even see the possible implications of a elections "leading" candidate.....being removed from consideration/choice, that late in the game, because she "should" have been? You guys on the right, surprise me, I thought you would at least entertain the question with the possibilities.... I get why the libs don't respond. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 12:30:25 I think this is a waste, but you demand it. Of COURSE arresting her or Comey or anyone else involved in creating the pack of lies used as a foundation for a warrant would have led to every lefty alive pretending that Trump had taken over and was eliminating political enemies. He would have firing squads roaming America, killing everyone who didn't have a MAGA hat and T Shirt. It's time Now to lay bare what was done. It's pretty obvious to anyone who has more than one eye. I named Ohr a couple of weeks ago as one who would be in trouble. Yep.right again |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 12:43:43 You have jumped to after the election, I am talking prior. Trump had to ability to direct the FBI or anybody at that point. Those rabid libs, which I agree, would have been extremely vocal, and CNN would be all over a coup against Hillary, etc, but it would have had very limited sway, as most folks wouldn’t buy into such extremes. Now you raise a interesting element, why are the lovers, and Ohr, not being interviewed, etc.....??? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 12:59:11 2D3E263B3E28385F0 wrote:
We now have a pu$$y grabbing, name-calling, serial tweeting, handicapped mocking president. We can (and will) do so much better. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by raydawg on 02/14/18 at 14:13:46 Rubber stamp, C&P.......deep. |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by T And T Garage on 02/14/18 at 14:19:17 6A79617C796F7F180 wrote:
What does that mean? Are you referencing my response? |
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Title: Re: Critical reasoning, then field this..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/18 at 15:56:38 It's a moot point. The reason he didn't recommend an indictment is that there wasn't enough there to do so. No malice. No purposeful neglect. No "there" there. BULLSHIT |
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