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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> Plunger switches on handlebars /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1512666117 Message started by Eegore on 12/07/17 at 09:01:57 |
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Title: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Eegore on 12/07/17 at 09:01:57 I was asked about installing a strobe system on one of the bikes. Due to a few staff being killed colliding into vehicles at an intersection some of the high-school students wanted to try installing a turn-signal and additional LED strobe. The idea is a single plunger switch that would flash some lights on the bike, including the high beam 3-5 times. Is it feasible to install a plunger switch to the left grip? Has anyone done this? |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Serowbot on 12/07/17 at 09:37:40 Modify a passing switch?... |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by verslagen1 on 12/07/17 at 10:10:29 Late model bikes have a passing switch in the controls. But I suppose you want something auto? You can get headlight modulators. And tail light flashers. But it sounds like you want something in addition to existing lighting. search superbrightleds https://www.superbrightleds.com/ |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by sjaskow - FSO on 12/07/17 at 11:17:13 Signal Dynamics makes a headlight modulator http://www.signaldynamics.com/plugandplay that can be turned off but I don't know if it can be turned off and then back on. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Dave on 12/07/17 at 19:25:21 I did that on my Cafe' bike, and I wired it into the passing light switch. If you have a 2004 or later bike that has the passing light switch - you can open up the wiring harness between the left electrical switch and the headlight, and cut the wire off the large yellow wire....then use that to power the strobe. You can buy momentary switches that can mount on the handlebar and power the light - and one person in the thread I linked below suggested that it could be connected to the horn switch......you would get both horn and strobe on a single switch! I use the strobe when I am not sure somebody sees me - but I still keep my eye on them and assume they are going to do something stupid that could hurt me! Here is the link: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1372162554 |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Eegore on 12/27/17 at 05:50:31 Thanks for the resources. Just a quick background as I still get personal messages telling me that I don't listen, I'm an @$$hole, etc. and to leave the boards. This is a project brought on by high-school aged kids battling drug addiction, this project is part of overall counseling. This is a project, the bike won't be used by kids on public roads, and its ok to fail. We still learn from failure. While it would be feasible to just install a modulator to the horn switch it would still be good to install a switch to the handlebars, as an additional challenge. I would like to examine a plunger switch possible hooked to a modulator that will flash LEDs on the turn signals, headlight, and tail light. Im not sure of the tail light should be included. Another idea proposed was high lumen lighting directed downward to the street for the turn signals. This of course would illuminate only the appropriate side of the bike and I believe an LED system could work. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/27/17 at 06:51:55 messages telling me that I don't listen, I'm an @$$hole, etc. and to leave the boards. Who is doing that? Copy and paste the messages. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Eegore on 12/27/17 at 08:30:44 I'm just trying to save some people some time complaining by placing a background on the project. I'd rather keep this on topic and ask for recommendations regarding the following: A plunger (or toggle) switch that fits on our handlebar. A two way toggle would be handy for "style" if possible. Where the circuit activated on the up, and down transition. Recommendation on lights that could shine brightly on the street when turn signals are activated. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Dave on 12/27/17 at 09:38:17 For lights, I would check 2 places: Strobes R Us. They sell LED strobes that can be set for flashing patterns, or that can burn steady. They are very bright, come in a lot of color options, and they are simple to wire and mount - they aren't inexpensive. http://www.strobes-r-us.com/thumbnail.asp?cid=32 Or Super Bright LED: https://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/strobe-fixtures/ Using anything less bright is not likely to provide enough reflective light to function as you intend. (I also believe that in daylight you won't get sufficient reflective light from the pavement to provide anything that will provide adequate notice to other drivers). If you ever drive this on the street you may have some issues with the color and flash rate.....you really don't want to be impersonating an emergency vehicle. Front turn signals are required to be yellow in most states, and rear turn signals can be yellow or red - they must be red if they also function as tail or brake lights. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Eegore on 12/28/17 at 08:10:40 Strobes R us might be the way to go for ease of installation. I'm familiar with strobe laws as I license all my vehicles as commercial and can have them, however I have never installed them myself. Its expected that the students look up the legalities themselves though. The lower lighting would only be useful at night. I asked that a lab be designed and a survey conducted on flash rates. The assumption is that 3 to 5 rapid flashes followed by a standard turn signal strobe would attract the most attention. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Eegore on 12/28/17 at 09:14:45 Also I forgot to ask what a "passing switch" is. Is that the turn signal activation switch? Any reason this thing wouldn't work? I imagine I will need to remove the airbox and get a smaller battery to make room. http://www.strobes-r-us.com/closeup.asp?cid=30&pid=709&offset=0 |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/28/17 at 11:32:11 I Think the passing switch just flicks the headlight from low to high, in hopes of getting the driver ahead to see you. What it needs to do is add five horsepower for fifteen seconds. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by IslandRoad on 12/28/17 at 12:12:54 5E4147405D5A6B5B6B53414D06340 wrote:
I've never used the passing switch, because I never knew what it was for .... pretty sure I still don't. I just went out and did a quick test to see what it does: It's a sprung switch that returns to its default location when you let it go. It seems to swap a little bit of power from the standard headlight to the high beam. That is, high beam comes on a bit, but the main beam dims a bit. The overall effect is NO increase in overall brightness but a kind of mild flash effect. It also dims the tail light just a little bit. At first I thought it was just draining a bit of power from the tail light, but the dimming effect on the tail light is more than what happens when you switch to high beam!. I still think the effect on the tail light is not an actual designed effect. For those with earlier model bikes, here is a picture of the switch on the left handlebar: |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by verslagen1 on 12/28/17 at 12:31:44 322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
per push 8-) |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/28/17 at 12:42:44 Verslagen wheelies past the eighteen wheeler after quickly punching the button ten times.. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by SALB on 12/28/17 at 13:31:31 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote:
NITROUS!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Dave on 12/28/17 at 14:39:30 The passing switch was added in 2004. It provides power to the high beam when it is pushed. If the low beam is on it will make a noticeable flash to oncoming traffic, as the high beam direct light upwards...the low beam doesn't. The effect of the brightness is far more noticeable with the engine running and a bit of distance.......ride up to a wall and watch what it does when you push it. (If you already have the high beam on....you won't even see that the button does anything). In the EU countries you flash your lights to signal passing intentions - here in the states is just seems to tick people off. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by IslandRoad on 12/28/17 at 15:33:47 516A6770616D76706B636E71020 wrote:
in Australia, flashing the headlight is the signal to warn unbecoming traffic about speed cameras. And, on motorcycles, our headlights come on with the engine as a mandatory requirement. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/28/17 at 16:29:40 Australia, flashing the headlight is the signal to warn unbecoming traffic I'm not sure we even have that here. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by IslandRoad on 12/28/17 at 17:32:43 687771766B6C5D6D5D65777B30020 wrote:
Lol! ;D ;D darn autocorrect! - "oncoming" |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/28/17 at 17:48:38 It's sneaky that way.. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Eegore on 12/28/17 at 18:39:40 I have three 1995 model bikes so no passing switch. The issue I have with headlight strobe is that many people use the bright light flash to indicate they have stopped and its ok to turn. That is the opposite signal I want to portray at an intersection. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Dave on 12/29/17 at 04:18:59 5575777F6275100 wrote:
Same around here......they use their headlight flashes to give permission to pull out of the drive, make a turn in front of them, etc. That is why I hooked my passing switch up to a yellow/white strobe located under the headlight. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Eegore on 01/03/18 at 07:55:31 Could a 2004 or newer assembly that has a passing switch be added to a 1995? |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by verslagen1 on 01/03/18 at 08:07:55 4F6F6D65786F0A0 wrote:
it requires a compatible wiring harness or rewiring to provide the function. Also, the start switch disables the headlight during starting on later year bikes. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Dave on 01/03/18 at 08:08:18 2606040C1106630 wrote:
As Verslagen has suggested - the frame wiring harness is different as they did change a few other things....like the headlight power goes off when the starter button is pushed, 4 way flashers on the right control....and the headlight flasher on the left control. I believe wiring connectors are different where the left control connects to the main harness under the tank. If you are willing to cut and splice the wires on the 2004 or newer control assembly to your 1995 connector......it could be done. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by verslagen1 on 01/03/18 at 08:10:50 5A616C7B6A667D7B6068657A090 wrote:
I believe wiring connectors are different. If you are willing to cut and splice the wires on the 2004 or newer control assembly to your 1995 connector......it could be done.[/quote] Connectors are the same, it just doesn't work right. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Eegore on 01/05/18 at 16:42:54 Maybe I misstated my question. Is the physical component of the material surrounding a passing switch able to be installed on a 1995 model Savage? I would like to have the yellow switch re-wired on a separate circuit. This would activate a "stand-alone" flashing sequence of lights installed on the bike. I'm not sure if that's easier, but it could be the route we take. |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Dave on 01/06/18 at 03:40:25 Physically a 2004 and later handlebar electrical control will fit an earlier bike.....it will bolt onto the handlebar - but at this point we are not sure the electrical connector will snap together with the earlier bike (and that the wiring circuit is a plug and play). I do know that the passing switch has a small yellow wire that goes part way down the harness, and it is then spliced into the large yellow wire that runs the high beam of the headlight. If you open the harness and disconnect the small yellow wire - you can use the small yellow wire as a (+) source to power whatever you want. (I used it to power a white/yellow strobe I mounted under my headlight). I think it is worth a try for you to buy a 2004 and later left handlebar control and see if it works! |
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Title: Re: Plunger switches on handlebars Post by Eegore on 01/12/18 at 14:50:29 Thanks for the info on the controls and wire Dave. I will get a few left handlebar controls and see if they can figure something out. |
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