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Title: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by T And T Garage on 11/21/17 at 11:02:37 Call Congress - we all need to do something about this. http://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/exclusive-u-agency-vote-repeal-net-neutrality-rules-161842682--finance.html Go here to learn more: http://act.freepress.net/letter/internet_fcc_nprm_nn_2017/ http://www.battleforthenet.com/ |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by Eegore on 11/21/17 at 12:32:15 This is absolutely an issue, I am surprised given where people here get their information online that people aren't as concerned. Speak up, promote legislative change or lose the ability to easily look up information. Pay for non-network information is on the table, You tube isn't in your plan so access is limited unless you pay extra. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by T And T Garage on 11/21/17 at 12:36:29 09292B233E294C0 wrote:
+100 |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by oldNslow on 11/21/17 at 15:16:32 https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-fcc-can-save-the-open-internet-1511281099 Somewhat different point of view. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by T And T Garage on 11/22/17 at 07:39:51 67595854465A5B350 wrote:
First off, I'm not a subscriber to WSJ - but consider the source.... Sorry old, if you honestly think corporations have your best interests in mind, you're sorely mistaken. Not sure if you're a fan of foxnews.com, but since companies like comcast (owners of MSNBC) will be able to throttle speed at their discretion, they could potentially slow down all your favorite sites... Further, the aluminum foil hat crowd would be lost. Their conspiracy sites could be subject to gigantic fees. But I digress.... think about what we have right now. We have a neutral net. We don't need corporations running it. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by oldNslow on 11/22/17 at 07:48:29 Corporations already run it.They own the infrastructure. I don't know if this is good or bad. But I don't think the sky is falling. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by T And T Garage on 11/22/17 at 08:05:00 0937363A2834355B0 wrote:
If they take away neutrality, you'll see how the sky will fall... The point is, even though the infrastructure lies within ISPs - they are currently treated like utilities. Just like a local water utility can't charge you different rates for different qualities of water, ISPs can't charge you different rates based on the size of your site or throttle sites based on content. If NN is repealed, that all changes. Apathy will kill the internet. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by Eegore on 11/22/17 at 10:46:03 Essentially the logic that the internet thrived in the 90's with minimal regulation however the internet and how its accessed has changed dramatically. Net neutrality is rather new, only a few years old and no the internet wasn't an access free-for-all before but it can become that, as long as its "disclosed" to consumers. I'm ok with moderate repeal, but allowing corporations to lookout for the public's best interests for internet access sounds ridiculous to me. The FTC will step in once abuses take place, not before, and that's an issue to me. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/22/17 at 11:38:29 The One Thing Obama did that I applauded was NN. Trump is installing a Mandatory Vaccine Real American in a policy making position. Tyranny So, is it good, right, smart to erase NN? I'm not comfortable with it. For the intellectually challenged, THAT'S CRITICIZING TRUMP. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by oldNslow on 11/22/17 at 12:30:04 Another opinion piece. Interesting though. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-21/the-internet-had-already-lost-its-neutrality "Meanwhile, our experience of the internet is increasingly controlled by a handful of firms, most especially Google and Facebook. The argument for regulating these companies as public utilities is arguably at least as strong as the argument for thus regulating ISPs, and very possibly much stronger; while cable monopolies may have local dominance, none of them has the ability that Google and Facebook have to unilaterally shape what Americans see, hear, and read." Maybe it isn't Verizon and Comcast etc. that we ought to be worried about. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/22/17 at 23:03:50 Are we getting one more abuser? Or is it gonna sukk? |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by T And T Garage on 11/27/17 at 11:30:06 So this idiot pai is calling his order "restoring internet freedom". Really? Think about that...... and what a crock of $hit it is... Not sure about you, but the world I've lived in has has a free internet since day one. Yeah, you have to pay for the service, but I don't have to pay more to go from one site to the next. This little forum has just as much reach as Google does because of Net Neutrality. Mark my words here... if NN is reversed - game over. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by MnSpring on 11/27/17 at 16:40:43 Let’s see. The Net is, ‘Free’, Just like Elect Cars do not Pollute? Right ????????? (Gee Someone in Chicago, Really wants to buy those, ‘OCEAN Front Lots’, In IOWA !) |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by T And T Garage on 11/28/17 at 07:06:07 Ignorance has its own "rewards". Repealing Net Neutrality will change the way the internet works for individuals and small sites like this. Go ahead and ignore it. Once again, those with the most to lose seem to think that "as long as it's republican, it's good". You can show the ignorant the truth - but they don't have to accept it. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/28/17 at 09:39:06 I don't know what to want here. I applauded when Obama did it, but I see Soros is against this. So, I don't know what to think. The simplistic and simpleton idea that just because Trump said it's good means it is accepted by his supporters is just more projection by lefties. You people accepted ANYTHING Obama said, even the destruction of Libya, and called it good. You pretended that people who opposed Bamicare were just partisans and racists. And you oppose everything Trump says, even though it's helping you. So, SHOVE the Bullshit about Trump supporters blindly following. We're the adults who elected him. We don't worship him. And we don't just blindly trust him. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by WebsterMark on 11/29/17 at 04:30:42 I've not followed this enough as I should but is the basic issue one side wants the feds to regulate ISP's to deliver a consistent data speed and the other sides wants to keep it deregulated and allow ISP's to adjust speed and data through price? Is that the gist of it? |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by raydawg on 11/29/17 at 08:32:33 576562737465724D61726B000 wrote:
The Fox just wants to count the eggs....... It's called the World Wide Web. Let technology and the consumers decide, NOT another IRS, or any goverment lackey. Information IS POWER. They always, ALWAYS, abuse it! |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/29/17 at 09:26:49 I think I was wrong when I supported NN. Undoing it will cause disruption, but the providers are all throttling speeds now, so, what are we accomplishing? What happens when government gets involved in telling people what they can do? Screws up markets.. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by raydawg on 11/29/17 at 09:43:47 392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:
you mean like medical care, or goodness me, that we need to go to war.... |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/29/17 at 10:38:00 Price Controls are not helpful. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by raydawg on 11/29/17 at 12:02:01 It controls nothing..... In fact, it stymies competition. Look..... Liberalism LOVES bureaucracies, it’s their vehicle to enforce their utopia on others who are too stupid to know what’s good for them. Look at Matt Lauer, as he direct questions to O’Rielly, Pence, and others about sexual harassment, wanting to hold these folks accountable, questioning their abilities and character, while totally ignoring his own.... This is the poster boy of how liberalism works... It’s all about power, for them! |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/29/17 at 12:54:44 Yes, Ray. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by raydawg on 11/29/17 at 13:13:35 57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
If you love your internet provider, you can keep it.... Oh yeah, stupid me :-[ |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/29/17 at 14:33:39 NN is a screwup. Let the market work. Tell a provider what they can't do and what they can do and you limit competition and innovation. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by MnSpring on 11/29/17 at 17:15:34 Here is a, analogy, of the WWW/Internet. It has NEVER been FREE !!!! So, you are on a Turnpike, you Pay to get on that road. Once you are on that road, you can stop at Several places, and get Several things. Some places charge a lot, some charge nothing, some are in the middle. Some, Plaster you with Advertising, Some ask for a Donation, Some ‘Require’ you to, ’Subscribe’, to get information. Now the places/Businesses, that are on that ’Turnpike’, Pay, to be their. How do they re-coop the cost of, ‘Being their? By Charging you, Flooding you with advertisements, or asking for donations. (Your Name Address, Phone, e-mail address, are ALL Worth MONEY. They are SOLD) Unless, you are in, ’stealth’ mode, or, have, ‘blocked ads’, YOUR, Visit to that place is RECORDED. AND all the information gathered is, SOLD (In most businesses, but not all) When one is in, ’Stealth/Blocked, mode, one can NOT, get in the door of some business. Simply because that business can NOT, flood you with adds, or Collect YOUR information to be able to SELL. Now, under, Obama, what has happened? More and More, business, are REQUIRING you to PAY, to see what they post. (Yea, You have experienced it) What will happen under Trumps Plan, Don’t Know. Do know, it is YOUR, Choice, which business to stop at, when you are on the Turnpike. NO ONE, says, ‘You Have To’. - - - - - - - - - - - - - In 98, I Built a Web site, which as the, WWW/Internet was concerned, was a 1/4 of a grain, of sand, on all the beaches. Yet to the tiny group of people it affected, it, Was the Beach. Revenue, was ads for relevant items, because people came their, For, the information provided (Not, ADS, AUTOMATICALLY Forced on you) And a Statement, “NO, Personal Information, will EVER be gathered or sold”. Even though that information, from Everyone that visits, is just, ‘Right Their’. But never mind, I am sure that some, " Blind in one Eye, hard to see out of the other, Kum-By-You Singing, Ultra-Progressive, ANTIFA Ideals Supporting, Fairy Dust Sprinkling person “ Will say otherwise. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by Eegore on 11/29/17 at 19:13:15 This thread almost stayed on topic without bringing in a bunch of opinionated superfluous information. I agree that keeping the government out of business is usually a good idea however I am not sure that this program cripples ISP growth. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by raydawg on 11/29/17 at 21:44:50 Not sure....... Then why do it? The industry has been doing just fine without these bloated oversight do nothing gubbermint employees. Technology will even improve, goodness, look how the handheld calculator went from 100’s to nothing. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/29/17 at 22:49:39 The same people who supported Bamicare don't want to see NN ended. Soros is against it. That's enough for me. But I see beyond that. I expect the immediate response to be chaotic and prices to change, and as costs to consumers climb, innovative competitors will enter the market, things will stabilize, services will become more affordable and speeds will increase. Like buying a cable package, you can get the Platinum or Silver or Gold, depending on your budget. You can have FedEx deliver a package tomorrow or in a few days. Depending on your needs and budget. Let people sell their services and pick what suits you. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by WebsterMark on 11/30/17 at 05:27:17 I'm starting to see this the same way Jog, but here's a question: list government price control or other form of enforced control programs that have kept prices low while those goods or services improved due to technology and/or remained competitive with the market? |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/30/17 at 06:44:07 That's pretty much the crux of what I've been trying to say. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by WebsterMark on 11/30/17 at 06:54:21 let's come up with a list of current programs run by Uncle Sam that are similar to what's being proposed and determine if they've been effective. Rent control in New York city for example; has it worked, did it accomplish it's goals. I have no idea, don't live there. What are some others? Who's had personal experience? |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by Eegore on 11/30/17 at 07:59:16 My concern isn't purely consumer price issues although I have seen formats examined where I live that look like pay-for-content under the guise of pay for speed. Comcast where I live originally wanted to charge $1.99 monthly for Youtube, same for Netflix and the logic is a competitor could come in and provide a lower price. They of course would have to spend years building their own infrastructure first. Alphabet and Netflix both argued against this method as its damaging to consumers and providers. I don't think the current NN is perfect, but I don't agree with complete repeal since it gives internet access completely in the hands of corporations. It sets consumers up for a damage first - fix later system where the FTC comes in later. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by WebsterMark on 11/30/17 at 08:57:55 valid points. I'm thinking about the FTC and the way radio stations are regulated. I don't know all the details how that works, but they 'own' frequencies and license entities to use a certain frequency. Is there some commonality there with the internet? |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by raydawg on 11/30/17 at 09:44:22 457770616677605F736079120 wrote:
Like floating a Fairness Doctrine you mean? |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by T And T Garage on 11/30/17 at 09:53:39 You all seem to miss the point. Just look at what we have for internet right now. It's been this way for decades. Now consider for a moment - if corporations think it's great, do you honestly think it'll be good for the end users??? Honestly?? No. This is a real world scenario: MSNBC - owned by Comcast - will have the ability to throttle small, right wing sites at their leisure. They could do the same to foxnews.com. Is that the internet you want? But yeah, I'm probably wrong in thinking that multi-billion dollar corporations have our best interests in mind..... ::) BTW, ajit pai used to work for Verizon... coincidence? Nope. Yeah, I know Obama hired him - Obama made mistakes and was far too corporate. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by raydawg on 11/30/17 at 10:35:16 But yeah, I'm probably wrong in thinking that multi-billion dollar corporations have our best interests in mind..... Oh yeah, right, your hand up my skirt guys care, right fool :-* Isn't grade school getting out soon? You should be jamming your pockets full of candy instead of posting your nonsense on a lame motorcycle message board, yes punkin? |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by T And T Garage on 11/30/17 at 11:34:36 64776F72776171160 wrote:
Stupid response ray. Just tell us you want corporations running the country and leave it at that. You're as dumb as a bag of hammers.... |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by raydawg on 11/30/17 at 13:19:31 5C424D4C415C475A280 wrote:
Stupid response ray. Just tell us you want corporations running the country and leave it at that. You're as dumb as a bag of hammers.... [/quote] Yeah, drive a nail with your wit :-* |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/30/17 at 13:35:05 It's not without some trepidation, but the general principle, IF allowed to work without corporate wrangling to create legislative advantages over upstart competition, it should be good for everyone. Right now speed is being throttled. Our so called high speed internet that we pay good money for slows to a crawl regularly. I don't have any real options, because of where we live. My support for ending NN really leaves me in a precarious position. I'm only willing to go out on this limb in hopes of things being done right. Hard to hope for what I haven't seen much of, but I'm willing to see what happens. If it's gonna screw anyone, it's gonna screw me. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/30/17 at 13:36:26 The fear of corporations running America is a few decades late. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by Eegore on 11/30/17 at 14:19:59 1B292E3F38293E012D3E274C0 wrote:
I think you are referencing the FCC. I was referencing the Federal Trade Commission. |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by WebsterMark on 11/30/17 at 14:38:47 Correct, my bad; FCC. The grant license and the 'power' (reach) of each station is dependent upon the equipment they are able to install, correct? Where is that different from ISP's and their ability to deliver a larger volume of data at higher speeds because they have the money to install the equipment? |
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Title: Re: Net Neutrality Is A Big Deal!! Post by T And T Garage on 12/12/17 at 11:57:15 Not much time left people: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JucFpDhuF98[/media] |
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