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Title: How queer is this? Post by raydawg on 10/30/17 at 13:43:42 if I did, I don't remember, but I am sorry.... Who said that? Paul Manafort, Hillary Clinton, or Kevin Spacey? http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/30/house-cards-ending-amid-kevin-spacey-sexual-harassment-claim.html |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/17 at 14:22:58 House of Cards was coming to an end anyway. But, the Spacey things brings up an interesting point. Do you suppose Hollywood will face the same media backlash that was unleashed on the Catholic Church when their pedophile priest problem was exposed? The Catholic Church did not have a pedophile problem so much is they had a homosexual problem. A career path involving all men must be highly attractive to a homosexual. And whether society wants to admit it or not, homosexuality has an uncomfortable relationship with pedophilia. The question is: is Hollywood facing the same thing? Is there a higher percentage of gay men in the Arts than in the general population? |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by T And T Garage on 10/30/17 at 14:34:35 152720313627300F233029420 wrote:
For the record, I'm not defending any actor or priest for pedophilia. I'm simply stating that homosexuality and pedophilia are not one in the same. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by Trippah on 10/30/17 at 15:17:09 Not to agree with, or disagree with anyone but: in the early 70's the facility for the mentally retarded I worked at had a fairly high number of gays on the staff (male & female). Not a few but a fairly good number of the males told me they first seduced young men in their early teens, know as jailbait to most of us. The gals also were active with the young gals... So I sort of suspect they may be a statistical correlation-but I don't know if for a fact. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/30/17 at 15:45:20 I read the papers when I was a kid. Priests were Punished by being forced to move. It was Right There, in the paper, and I guess the cops couldn't see it. They didn't arrest them. And they were accused of diddling boys. And later, that's what came out. That's pedophilia. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by Trippah on 10/30/17 at 16:14:57 As you probably remember, the church was known for bending boys over the alter and the Senate for turning over their pages.....naughty naughty everywhere. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by WebsterMark on 10/30/17 at 16:36:03 183E253C3C2D244C0 wrote:
Yes there is. As your observation and what you were told indicates. Now, try to find a more taboo subject to bring up. It's like the name Voldemort, you can't speak it but everyone knows its there. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by raydawg on 10/30/17 at 17:07:40 734146575041566945564F240 wrote:
Yes there is. As your observation and what you were told indicates. Now, try to find a more taboo subject to bring up. It's like the name Voldemort, you can't speak it but everyone knows its there. [/quote] Potter does ;D |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by MnSpring on 10/30/17 at 18:43:07 When the Resident (Self Admitted) ANTIFA Ideals Supporter, Says:”… it’s a pedophile problem….” Apparently, he/she, knows NOTHING about the situation. (Only what, he/she, is TOLD to Say) So I guess, my 4 years, in a Catholic, Boys only, Boarding School (and 5 years in a Catholic grade school before that) My, ‘Observed Reality'. Is, really, not, ‘real', according to, (the Resident, ANTIFA Ideals Supporter) Yet I will state: The Catholic church has a, Homosexual Problem. NOT, a, Pedophile Problem. !!!!!!!!! But hey, what the HeII, it is Only my, ‘Observed Reality'. But, Now I know, (According to the Resident ANTIFA Ideals Supporter, Who gives his extra dimes and nickels, to the Pocket Stuffing, Justice Democrats, and the Young Turks) It is Not really, ‘real'. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by WebsterMark on 10/31/17 at 07:31:34 The definitive report on the Catholic priest scandal was done by John Jay College. The analyzed over 4,200 church leaders accused of abuse. Straight from the report. "The largest group of alleged victims (50.9%) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% wer e 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% wer e under age 7. Overall, 81% of victims wer e male and 19% female. Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims wer e males between the ages of 11 and 14." I was reading up on this and ran across the term "twink". I wouldn't look it up if I were you and I advise not to do it on your work computer or you may be out of a job, but it's a regular term among gay men. and more: homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls." This bears out: Although homosexuals comprise only 1–3 percent of the entire population, they are committing up to 33 percent of all sex crimes against children. Look, I know most of society today prefers to accept homosexuality as a normal variant of human sexuality, but the fact remains since a small percentage claims this is their inherent sexuality, it is by definition a deviancy. It has ramifications. The priest abuse was one. Note, the report reserves a scathing critique of hiring bishops and senior church management whom they classified as "gay friendly." This is why the % of Catholic priest who self identify as gay is far higher than the general population. If you're gay and religious, what better career path? |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by Eegore on 10/31/17 at 07:34:28 Do gay activist organizations, which are very attractive to homosexual males, have a higher average of pedophilia cases? |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by Serowbot on 10/31/17 at 08:13:06 It's something of a tradition that sexually confused, repressed boys that are raised religious, gravitate towards the clergy... Once you've gathered them together in one occupation, it only makes sense that the statistics would skew accordingly. Now you've got a bunch of screwed up men in a position of trust and authority with free access to children,... mostly boys. There aren't any alter girls... It's a problem of the churches own making... The irony of condemnation and repression... |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/31/17 at 08:56:24 something of a tradition that sexually confused, repressed boys that are raised religious, gravitate towards the clergy... First time I heard that. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by Serowbot on 10/31/17 at 09:04:21 332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:
Why do you think there are so many gay priests?... I has seen it in a hundred movies... ;D |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by raydawg on 10/31/17 at 09:11:20 WOW......... I LOVE THIS! Very insightful, and I believe apt. It's a problem of the churches own making... The irony of condemnation and repression... Now, lets just change one word. It's a problem of the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS own making... The irony of condemnation and repression... Yes, indeed, it works there too! It wasn't Russia, it was the party that lost the election. You are one smart man Bot, and you didn't even know it :D |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by Serowbot on 10/31/17 at 09:16:22 Your brain works in mysterious ways... :-/ |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by WebsterMark on 10/31/17 at 09:50:52 Dragging Russia into this is more than a stretch ray.... It's something of a tradition that sexually confused, repressed boys that are raised religious, gravitate towards the clergy... I wouldn't extend your anti-religious prejudice to explain this away completely. How many occupations are completely male and that person has implied or direct authority over minors? Not many. The statistics skew accordingly because of the large percentage of homosexuals. Like I said, that's an uncomfortable, but absolute fact that society has a hard time even whispering. Is it a problem of the Church's own making? I'd have to say yes. As the report details, people in higher positions recruited or perhaps it's more fair to say refused to reject, a higher percentage of candidates that were gay. Was that because those bishops and others in higher positions were likewise gay? Seems likely. Predictive demographics rears it's ugly head again. Celibacy doesn't drive men to homosexuality or child molestation. If that were true, many widows would be committing a disproportion percentage of sexual abuse and I've not heard anything about that. No, the Catholic Priest scandal was caused by a disproportionate percentage of priest being homosexual. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by raydawg on 10/31/17 at 09:59:22 566463727564734C60736A010 wrote:
Are Buddhist Monks celibate too? Did they experience the same? |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by raydawg on 10/31/17 at 10:03:18 Web, if you key in what Bot said: The irony of condemnation and repression... The Russia mention was flippant, but look how the "scorn" visited on anyone who challenges the dictates of PC.... The irony is it got TRUMP elected. NOT RUSSIA. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by Trippah on 10/31/17 at 10:18:39 Want to guess what other institution had a problem with male leaders taking advantage with young boys?? Bingo - the Boy scouts. Bet those knot tying classes were really hot. ;D ;D ps I was an Eagle Scout and no one ever hit on me, but the stories I've heard. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by Serowbot on 10/31/17 at 10:19:28 556760717667704F637069020 wrote:
You are focused on the homosexuality, but ignoring the sexually repressed, confused part of the equation... The churches teachings had a part in that... These men/boys felt compelled by family and church to enter clergy... Social pressure to repress their urges... Clergy may seem like a safer place than other lifestyles. Maybe they think they can avoid facing their sexual demons with isolation... Then they discover the unspoken brotherhood of the church... It's the dirty underbelly of organized religion... I'll bet many nuns are sexually conflicted too... |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by WebsterMark on 10/31/17 at 10:23:48 Good point about Boy Scouts. It's volunteer mostly so I doubt it's anywhere near the percentage as priests. Monks? Interesting comparison. My thought is the lifestyle is not appealing enough to attract too many who are completely committed to the "cause". |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by WebsterMark on 10/31/17 at 10:30:28 Quote:
Not at all,... don't know how you got that... The days of scarlet letters are long gone... Sex before marriage is preached against, I suppose.. but very few people take it seriously... I was f*king like a bunny all through high school, and most of the girls were Christian... (one, Jewish)... ;D... |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by Serowbot on 10/31/17 at 10:56:57 Quote:
Not at all,... don't know how you got that... The days of scarlet letters are long gone... Sex before marriage is preached against, I suppose.. but very few people take it seriously... I was f*king like a bunny all through high school, and most of the girls were Christian... (one, Jewish)... ;D... PS...Web, I apologize,.. I accidentally posted inside your post, and some parts were edited in my quote.(see above)... Mod button error on my part... We Mods have a modify button right next to the quote button on all posts, not just our own... I fumbled... - Serow |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by raydawg on 10/31/17 at 11:23:06 152720313627300F233029420 wrote:
With the powers invested in my, I christen you, Sir Eveready...... ;D |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by WebsterMark on 10/31/17 at 12:21:38 With the powers invested in my, I christen you, Sir Eveready...... Grin Okay, that's darn funny there....! Not at all,... don't know how you got that... The days of scarlet letters are long gone... Sex before marriage is preached against, I suppose.. but very few people take it seriously... I was f*king like a bunny all through high school, and most of the girls were Christian Which proves my point. I was raised by two strict Baptist aunts. No hanky panky.... However, I didn't turn queer. Like you, I found a way. Point is, it would have been easier if all us boys just turn queer, but that wasn't who we were. It didn't cross our minds. However, if you are queer, you'd look for opportunities. Opportunities for us were girls who had the same thing on their minds. Opportunities for the queer was more limited. I think what happens is younger boys are easily influences or coerced and that's were the Spacy situation or Catholic priest situation comes into play. Point is, lack of availability doesn't turn people gay does it. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by T And T Garage on 10/31/17 at 12:31:48 586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote:
No. Nothing "turns people gay". Too many people don't realize that. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by raydawg on 10/31/17 at 12:34:20 So what is it...... Are we born that way, or is it the environment? I always heard the argument was you can't change the way you were born/feel, like being born Black, etc. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by T And T Garage on 10/31/17 at 12:39:04 64776F72776171160 wrote:
When did you have to choose your sexuality ray? |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by WebsterMark on 10/31/17 at 12:51:53 45564E53564050370 wrote:
You can't choose that. You are who you are. A small % are attracted to the same sex, 1-3%. If you're in that zone, you're gay. There was talk of a gene being identified, but that was quickly squashed because while we have no problem killed Downs babies in the womb, society wouldn't stand for a parents right to choose to abort a gay baby. Oh the irony... but that's another topic. As I said before, homosexuality is a deviancy from the norm. All of us have deviancies of one form or another it's just in most cases, those don't manifest themselves in a noticeable way. The deviancy of bestiality is viewed today the same way homosexuality was 100 years ago. 100 years from now, who knows, bestiality might be another sexual orientation on your tax form! |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by raydawg on 10/31/17 at 17:08:25 Ok, then I do not see how you connect priest, etc, to the conditions of the church, like Bot alluded. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by T And T Garage on 10/31/17 at 18:08:13 32213924213727400 wrote:
Well, if you're a vampire, you don't go looking for "fun in the sun" clubs, do you? ;D Not so much in this day and age, but a few decades ago, let's say a child grew up in a strict, conservative, religious family - and that child was sexually repressed by said family. You know, taught that homosexuality was a sin, that he or she was going to hell, etc. That messes a kid up. Well, then go a step further. Say a kid like that decides (or is pushed) into joining the clergy. That "club" is very inviting to a sexually repressed person. Given the protection (or fraternity if you will) that the church provides. Like it or not, clergy are held up as pillars of the community and are sometimes "untouchable". There you have the perfect scenario as Bot suggested. |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by WebsterMark on 11/01/17 at 14:00:58 No, that's wrong. That "club" is not inviting to whatever you mean by sexually repressed. It would be the opposite. Why would someone who was kept away from girls join the priesthood primary because of sex? That makes no sense. Unless you felt a calling outside your quest for sex, that would be the last occupation you'd pursue. However, if you're a homosexual, that's an attractive career path. All men. And since homosexuals molest children at a higher rate than the general population, you had the perfect storm . |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by T And T Garage on 11/01/17 at 14:37:08 536166777061764965766F040 wrote:
First off, you may want to look up what sexual repression actually means. (hint: you can be sexually repressed and gay) And second, there is no proof that homosexuals molest children at a higher rate than the general population. http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html |
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Title: Re: How queer is this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/17 at 14:39:45 Pedophiles often seek employment near the targets. People who feel guilty about Who they are could easily see the church as a path to being set free from the mental and emotional pain of the guilt. There's no telling how painfully conflicted some of these people are. And some may suffer No self recrimination, never have an introspective moment, and feel no guilt. |
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