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Title: Front Tire Question Post by Ed L. on 10/15/17 at 12:35:32 I'm ready for new front rubber on my '02 and have been looking at the Shinko brand. The two choices that are available locally are the 712 or the 777 models. Any recommendations? I've a J+P cycle just a few miles away and they have both styles in stock along with a Dunlop. My next question is how hard it it to swap front tires or should I just let a dealer do it? Thanks |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 12:50:21 Rear tire is a pain. Front, not so bad. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Ed L. on 10/15/17 at 13:34:32 Already replaced the rear with a Metzer 880 a few years ago. Had a shop do the job and they pinched the tube which gave me a flat about 60 miles out on a ride. I won a $50.00 gift card at the local Harley dealer so I'm seeing if they could order me a tire from J+P Cycle. Both stores are in the same shopping complex at Destination Daytona but J+P won't take the Harley gift card. I'll probably swap the tires myself, just need some soapy water. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by antmanbee on 10/15/17 at 14:04:18 When I checked a couple of weeks ago JP was way more expensive. I got a set of 712s from bike bandit, was the cheapest I could find. Got IRC tubes and kenda rim strips also |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 14:12:42 Remember to order the balance beads at the same time. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Ed L. on 10/15/17 at 16:13:55 JOG thanks for the reminder to get the beads, how do they work? Right now the front rim has small strips of lead wrapped around two spokes for balance. Antman, J+P has the Shinko tires on sale for around $55.00 and with no shipping it seems to be a good enough deal for me. It will give me an excuse to wander around Destination Daytona which is a pretty cool mall for motorheads. So should it be a 777 or 712 for the front tire? |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/15/17 at 16:17:34 I'm very pleased with the beads in the rear tire. No sign of imbalance. I've had it wound out several times and never a feeling of it bouncing. They are expensive, but no special equipment required for balancing the wheel. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by antmanbee on 10/15/17 at 18:45:06 On a set of 712s for my Guzzi it took little weight to balance, in fact the rear took no weight at all. I always check the rim with no tire to see where the heavy spot is and how much out of balance it is and mount the tire accordingly. I paid $46 for my front on the s40 but it was the rear that was quite a bit more at JP than what I paid. With two tires I had no shipping but with one tire I probably would have shipping, so $55 is not bad. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Dave on 10/16/17 at 02:05:55 If you have never removed a motorcycle tire and tube from the rim and replaced it, and you don't have the tools, and you have nobody to help you with your first one......then take the tire/wheel assembly off the bike and take it to the shop. Let them balance it - if you want to add beads you can....but it probably isn't necessary on a wheel that is properly balanced when the tire was mounted. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Papa Bear on 10/16/17 at 05:41:45 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote:
I recently changed the tires on my SYM 150. You don't need special equipment to balance the tires - I just placed the wheel over a horizontal rod (use the axle or anything smaller in a vice if you want) on it's own bearings and let the heavy side go to the bottom. I used 1/4 oz. stick-on weights to balance the assembly. Easily balances within 1/4 oz and rides better than new. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPGZ66bouv8 |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by batman on 10/16/17 at 07:45:09 Tires come with a small circle on the side wall which tells you the light side of the tire and should be lined up with the valve stem to aid balance. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/17 at 09:08:00 Pull the valve core, Deflate completely,break the bead on both sides, hang the wheel on something that keeps it from coming to you, reach around, press the bead into the deepest part of the rim, keep sliding your hands around bringing all the slack to you. Getting the bead over the rim is easy from there. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by antmanbee on 10/16/17 at 09:10:54 I recommend checking the wheel without the tire to see where the heavy spot is and then mark it. It is not always at the valve stem. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Ed L. on 10/16/17 at 11:25:25 I've replaced spokes and tires on a old Ducati which was interesting. I'll give it a try, what could go wrong after all :D. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by springman on 10/16/17 at 17:53:05 I ran 712's on the rear and liked them. Currently running the 230 Tourmaster front and back. Never tried the 712 front because I read the straight groove in the middle can increase the side to side effect when on grooved pavement and also that it was difficult to balance. Just what I read though, not my personal experience. The Shinko 230's are running great. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by ero4444 on 10/17/17 at 14:52:18 >> I'll give it a try, what could go wrong after all check twice, make sure the tires are turning the right direction. The first time I put the front on, took more than an hour and it was backwards. The next time took 20 minutes or so. No way I'll ever forget to check now. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Ed L. on 10/17/17 at 16:10:03 check twice, make sure the tires are turning the right direction. Been there done that also LOL Starting to think the Dunlop D404 might be a better tread design over the Shinko 777 or 712. J+P has them on sale also. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Dave on 10/17/17 at 16:25:07 737072696E676D616E000 wrote:
I put the Shinko 230's on my rescue bike.......and they rode very nicely and did everything well. They are the tire I would put on my bike as long as I wasn't riding 10,000 miles year. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by mpescatori on 10/18/17 at 09:38:27 4C6D564527090 wrote:
http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/551c46bc6bb3f7df2b214465/actually-the-weather-company-isnt-totally-ditching-amazon-for-ibm.jpg I've been there... pushed dat... Compressed air not safe is, useless I say... unless inside you can keep it ! http://https://motocrossactionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2099/08/128_MXAh16.jpg OR Foam or mousse you should use, feel the fArce, Young Man... feel the fArce... http://https://slavensracing.com/wp-content/uploads/Michelin-Bib-Mousse.jpg http://https://dirtbiketest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Nuetech-Nitro-Mousse-s-5.jpg Mousse is the word... |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Ed L. on 10/18/17 at 15:46:21 Wandered around Destination Daytona this morning and watched the vendors coming in for Biketober Fest. Spent the Harley gift card on two tee shirts, they weren't interested in ordering a tire for a Suzuki :o. After looking at the different tread designs at J+P Cycle I decided on the Dunlop D404 and brought one home with a tube, rim band and a pack of the beads. Pull the bike apart this afternoon and installed the tire with a little grunting and some soapy water. Should of picked up a set of brake pads, they are about 1/2 gone so that's next on the list. Thanks for all the advice, planning on a quick shakdown trip around the block tomorrow and then maybe a trip to the local range if the wind drops down. Just picked up a Marlin 1893 deluxe breakdown model in 30-30 built way back in 1897 and want to shake the dust out of the 120 year old girl. :) |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by piedmontbuckeye on 10/20/17 at 06:07:07 I recently replaced mine with the Michelin Pilot Activ. I HIGHLY recommend this tire (I used them on both front and rear of my BMW) as it really wears well, and it grips the road well. It is fairly inexpensive. It also works well with another brand on the rear. Michelins seem to have a closer tolerance so they are harder to install - fit more tightly. I got mine from Revzilla - free shipping over $39.00 and very good service. Regardless, let a dealer install - saves tons of work and they usually include balancing. Mine got installed for $37.00 - well worth the time and effort. I took the wheel to them. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Ed L. on 10/20/17 at 06:43:05 Yeah, next time I'll have a shop install any tires that I need. Going to put it down as a "been there done it, take it off my bucket list". It used up a few rainy hours in the shop and got a little zen back working on the bike. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by piedmontbuckeye on 10/20/17 at 07:11:47 48695241230D0 wrote:
I have changed literally hundreds of tires on bikes back in the day. Now, the radials are tighter and harder to install, and my back is looser and easier to injure! the $37.00 was well worth the aggravation and you get balancing to boot! |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Ed L. on 10/20/17 at 08:29:29 The tire beads for balancing sent me back almost $25.00 so having a shop install a tire with balance for $37.00 is a good deal. Like I said, been there, done it. The older you get the more you learn to pick your battles ;) |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Serowbot on 10/20/17 at 08:55:18 I like them both,.. 777's last a little longer, I think, and the tread pattern is pretty... I just put 712's on my S50,.. while my buddy put 777's on his 750 Shadow (no 21" in the 712)... For performance I'd go 712,.. I think they're a bit stickier... Both are a bargain... . |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by mpescatori on 10/23/17 at 04:29:34 So far I've use Pirelli MT66 (aka "Route66") and they are fabulous, both front and rear. However... may I only so slightly highjack the thread to ask for advice. Replacing the wheel with a 19" wheel off a URAL http://https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PtoAAOSw3ydVnjcR/s-l1600.jpg Brake plate and brake shoes also available. Certainly "heavy duty"! Problem: the axle is larger caliber than the Suzuki front axle (I don't know by how much but I'm willing to bet on it!) Just how much can I lathe the axle housing before the remaining metal becomes too thin ? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by badwolf on 10/23/17 at 05:28:56 mpescatori, Before you do any machining on anything, look-up a bearing chart online and see if you can just change the bearings to make it fit. Bearings are pretty much standard and go by the number stamped on them. OD, ID, and WIDTH. Check the stock one and the one in your ''new'' wheel. See if their is one with the same OD and Width as the one in the ''new'' wheel and ID as the stock ones. Changing bearings is a LOT easier than machining anything. Then you should only have to work on the spacers, and maybe a adapter for the brake, you will have to make something to stop it from spinning anyway. (I am assuming it is a internal brake, not a disc) |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by piedmontbuckeye on 10/23/17 at 15:06:03 45584D5B4B495C475A41280 wrote:
What do you mean by "axle housing"? Do you mean the center of the hub? Or do you mean the holes in the bottom of the forks that the axle goes through? Don't quite understand. I am a machinist, and I tend to do a lot of stuff on my own, but I would recommend that you not machine anything where "thinness" is a question - especially on the running gear where failure would be catastrophic. There are maybe other ways to accomplish what you want. Can you clarify by measuring (using micrometers) the diameters you are referring to, and using pictures of where you want to machine out to fit? |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Dave on 10/23/17 at 15:09:59 Wouldn't it be easier to just use the Suzuki hub, and get the spokes you need to mount the 19" rim on the Savage hub? |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by mpescatori on 10/25/17 at 02:07:31 Thanks all :) First of all, thank you Piedmontbuckeye for talking like "Jiminy Cricket" and YES I DO need to get my micrometer out and do some measuring. Pity the bike is in Italy and this Ural wheel is in Russia... :-/ Badwolf, THANK YOU for explaining the bearing idea, I had NOT thought about this one !!! Dave, ABZZ-olutely right ! BUT... ...a bike mechanic expert at lacing wire wheels ? You mean like pink elephants and that thing about being rarer than hens' teeth ? ;D Unfortunately... many mechanics don't even know how to setup points&condenser ignition, never mind lacing spokes... :P |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by Dave on 10/25/17 at 03:29:20 435E4B5D4D4F5A415C472E0 wrote:
With all the bicycles you have over there....seems somebody would be good at making and lacing up wheel sets. You could maybe find a bicycle mechanic who can do it for you.....hopefully he has a spoke torque wrench to get the spokes tightened up properly - the spoke maker can tell you the exact number - but I suspect it is around 45 in/lbs. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/18 at 10:36:39 I dropped the money for Metzler 880, front and rear. After almost five Thousand miles the rear tire looks like it's gonna make fifteen or more. Just put the front on less than two thousand ago. It's great. A little less grip on wet than I wanted, but I'm pleased overall. |
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Title: Re: Front Tire Question Post by faffi on 07/14/18 at 13:47:43 I have actually had great results from the Heidenau K34. It doesn't look that impressive, but is the longest-wearing front I have tried. In addition, it grips fantastic and mine is scrubbed from edge to edge (no, you cannot do that on a Savage, I have a different bike) and it has never slid. That's more than I can say for a number of tyres I've used over the years. |
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