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Title: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/04/17 at 13:45:07 As you know, Ryca kit will give you the complete look if you wanted to do a cafe racer conversion on your S40. The biggest problem I have is the price. The starting price of $3,095 is a bit too steep. For example, Ryca tank will cost you $999, but if you look on eBay, you can get an universal cafe racer tank for $100 to $200. The Ryca clip on handle bars will cost you $159 but the universal ones are $25 to $30 on ebay. Ryca seat kit will cost you $450 to $500 depending on upholstery, but the universal cafe racer seats are $30 to $100 on eBay. My question is, have you guys ever done DIY cafe racer mod on your S40? If every single parts is replacable with eBay parts, I think you could save big chunk of money. What would be the total? I'm guessing it won't be anywhere near $3,095... |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/04/17 at 13:46:04 and here's the link.. although the kit looks good and complete, $3095 is out of my budget http://shop.rycamotors.com/ryca_cs1_kit.html |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/04/17 at 15:18:55 And you forgot the best part ! No resale value !!! I have a Ryca but it ain't for sale ! ;D |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Eegore on 10/04/17 at 16:11:47 RYCA parts are going to fit and be high quality. eBay parts are hit and miss, they may not fit, they may or may not be good. At the cost savings you could order eBay parts until you find one that works for you maybe. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by batman on 10/04/17 at 18:03:01 Ruttly ,makes an excellent point. when you make changes to a stock bike it should be to make it what you want it to be ,but it won't make it more valuable. I wouldn't see anything wrong with using parts from Ebay etc. even parts you might use that don't fit perfectly could be altered to fit. I've done this on my bike by taking into account how each piece added needs to blend with all the others (consider the whole picture). |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/04/17 at 18:49:50 There are many non RYCA cafe builds that have been built by our members. The quality is typically outstanding. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Dave on 10/04/17 at 19:19:46 In the Bike Build section, you can find several Cafe' bikes that aren't RYCA bikes. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1383565946 My build is a bit of a hybrid - I used a few of the RYCA parts, and others that weren't RYCA. If you are talented, have a vision, have good tools and a nice garage to work in, you don't need RYCA's help. If you are a bit less talented - then RYCA makes it possible for you to build the bike of your dreams in a kit form where the parts are built - but you need to make them fit and assemble them. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/04/17 at 20:54:16 I've seen built Rycas on C/L asking the moon to start for months & months as the price creeps down into the no profit/taking a loss to get rid of it. But I wanted to build a RYCA ever since I saw a tiny article in a magazine. So when a donor bike popped up in town a 96 with only 809 on the clock for $1500 and a call to RYCA. Although mine is mostly RYCA the project went from a two week project into 3 year project(still in progress)that has taken on a life of its own , totally consuming my life and my dreams. I needed this build as a stepping stone between building stockers to building a custom from a kit and who knows what's next ! It's been so much fun and such a learning experience , some credit to our members here for all the help and putting up with me for almost 3 years ! So build a bike , kit or total custom , just build a bike. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/04/17 at 21:33:55 If you plan on riding, get two. A nice one to ride and a cosmetically challenged one to build |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/04/17 at 21:48:16 Seat to be made this month. Paint job back by Xmas. Rest of upgrades by early 2018. Can't afford 2 of these and don't you even ask how $$ |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by zipidachimp on 10/04/17 at 21:52:41 JOG: did exactly that! S41 & S42! one not stock, one looks stock but popular mods. Trying to resist buying a 3rd one! This time of year, lots of bikes going on sale! 8-) |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by LANCER on 10/05/17 at 02:42:41 24372E373A3F3D3637332E5E0 wrote:
Yes indeed, the time for sales is beginning. December and January are very best months for the best sales, especially if we have a harsh winter. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/05/17 at 05:16:13 Ryan and Casey (Ry Ca) did a great job designing a beautiful and simple bike. The parts that are fabricated by them (or for them) are well designed and well built. Are the parts expensive? Some are, but these are low volume production pieces that are batch built. RYCA have to place a large enough order to interest a manufacturer, and then they have to carry the cost of warehousing unsold parts. It's a risky business, and that is reflected in the price. I have no problem with their mark-up and profit. I'm enjoying my bike and have never once complained about the quality one of their parts. With that said, knowing what I know now, if I were to build another bike there are things I would buy from RYCA and things I would source on my own. But three years ago I didn't know what I know now. RYCA has done a masterful job of creating a one-stop-shopping environment for a novice custom builder. I hope they are working on another interesting conversion. I'd gladly do business with them again. In fact, my DRZ Street Tracker has some parts on it that I purchased from RYCA. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Dave on 10/05/17 at 05:42:07 5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:
Up here we have winters. Ice, snow, cold....it is a 4-5 month period where riding is miserable - but it does allow you time to tear into a project and have it done before riding weather returns. For me the riding stops sometime in November when the first snow comes and salt is put on the roads - and it continues until heavy spring rains in late March wash the salt off the roads. The salt is very corrosive to a motorcycle - and I like shiny motorcycles! |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/05/17 at 06:49:28 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
When I went searching for a bike for a cafe conversion I set out to find a running, unloved rat. That's what I found and in short order I was unhappy with my search criteria. The bike I found was a'95 with 2,600 miles. It was adult-female owned and never ridden hard. But when it wasn't ridden, it was stored in a metal shed with a dirt floor on the NJ Shore - a wet salty environment. Here's why a "cosmetically challenged" bike is a false economy: The finish on all of the clear coated aluminum parts (wheel hubs, engine cases, fork sliders, handlebar controls, t-clamps, directional mounts....) was damaged. I thought I could simply clean these parts up and they'd look new again, but I was oh so wrong. I had to remove the remaining clear coat and hand polish everything. It was a gigantic PIA. The few chromed parts that were reused for the build (fork stanchions, headlight) were pitted. I brought these back to life with steel wool and WD-40, but once again, I was polishing instead of building. The head light bucket was replaced with a 7" unit and I've been looking for replacement forks for some time now. I will settle for nothing less then forks in perfect condition. My frame was rough. Not only did I have to paint the cut modifications, but I found all sorts of places that required touch up. The swing arm was in such bad condition that I had it powder coated (it now looks beautiful). There was a dent in my tank. This didn't concern me at first. In fact, RYCA hammered most of it out during the tank modification. But it still required body work. Time and money. I spent more time polishing and repairing then I did actually building. Knowing what I know now, I'd start off with a beautiful bike...and build a better looking bike from it. My "cheap" rat bike probably cost me an additional $1,000. I would have gladly spent that up front if I knew the amount of effort involved. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by ohiomoto on 10/05/17 at 06:54:40 I can relate to Timpo. I didn't want to spend the money on a kit. But, I don't think Ryca is really overpriced either. I've purchased several parts from them that I could have found a little cheaper. But, I know their parts will do exactly what I need so I don't mind the little extra I spent on those. There were other parts I copied and a few that I made based on the parts I was using. In the end, I spent around EDIT: Wrong price. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by SALB on 10/05/17 at 13:04:22 56717070687D040 wrote:
Here's one on the local Craigslist if you don't have to have one built to YOUR specs. https://boise.craigslist.org/mcy/d/suzuki-custom-cafe/6244743820.html It's been listed since at least last spring. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/05/17 at 15:02:53 I can't believe some of you guys spent up to 3 year's to complete the project. RYCA says it should take about 40 hours with basic mechanical skills. Even if it was custom project like I'm planning.. I shouldn't take 3 years? Unless you were purposely working on it slow? |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/05/17 at 15:20:03 Not so much complete as perfecting. I work 6 or 7 days a week , commute time is about 3 1/2 to 4 hours round trip. So it doesn't leave but a hour or two a week if I'm lucky. Was riding it for test n tune for about nine months. Back apart for upgrades , paint , seat , etc ! |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/05/17 at 16:34:25 ah I see, that makes sense |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Dave on 10/05/17 at 17:59:54 5E63677A650A0 wrote:
I seriously doubt if you could do the RYCA in 40 hours the first time, even with their instructions it takes some time to understand what it going on, and you will spend a lot of time going back and forth from the instructions and the project....and back again. It will take even more time if you want to do it on your own - without a kit. I can devote 10-20 hours a week in the winter - very little in the summers. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Armen on 10/05/17 at 19:55:41 I love it when people who've never done something like this tell me how long it will take. Doing a complete electrical redo on an Airhead BMW right now and the owner tells me someone told him it should only take 7-10 hours. M-Unit, M-Button, M-Gadget, upgraded charging system, different throttle system, different clutch lever/cable, Motogadget mini buttons, LED integrated tail light, Moto gadget speedo/tach/idiot lights, blah, blah, blah.. Point is, it's always faster in your head than in the real world. Sometimes one bracket will take over an hour. And it depends on how good your tool collection is, and what your skill level is. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/05/17 at 20:05:46 And just how persnickety you get about how it looks. The rule of 80/20 comes into play along with the tooling and skill set. What fabrication have you done? Got grinder, cut off, drill press, tools? If you are comfortable taking stuff apart and don't hafta scratch your butt for twenty minutes trying to figure out how to pull the tank, you'll probably be okay. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/05/17 at 21:09:34 My bike was mocked up 3 times and it should have been 4 cause I missed a couple small things. I think the frame/swingarm took the longest , cutting , welding , grinding and finish ready for powder coating. And then fitting a chain tensioner that took a lot of time for alignment & angle , it's welded to the RYCA rear set bracket. Made my own muffler from another and made a repackable core for it. And I could go on & on , this is no 40 hr bike. She handles well,stops fast and hauls a$$,and looks hella sexy. A lot of blood , sweat & cash , but she's one cool ride 8-) |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Dave on 10/06/17 at 04:29:10 I have hundreds of hours in my conversion - and I did buy some RYCA parts so I didn't have to spend hours building some of the things they had already perfected. Below is an illustration of just how long some of this stuff can take - I likely have more than 25 hours in just getting the battery box made and the fuel tank modified. It took me about 10 hours to design, cut, build and paint this battery box. http://i48.tinypic.com/2pped4w.jpg The battery box also serves as the lower half of the rear fender. It has the battery on top, the brake light switch is mounted on the right side, the starter relay is mounted below the battery, and the igniter is located on the left side. http://i50.tinypic.com/fxw3up.jpg http://i47.tinypic.com/29ndn68.jpg Getting the GT550 fuel to fit the way I wanted probably took another 12-14 hours to complete if you count the blacksmithing, relocating the petcock, making a notch for clearance at the top of the engine where the cam chain is located, and building the mounts. http://i50.tinypic.com/2dt62b9.jpg But in order to get it down low enough to sit proper - I had to make more room in the tunnel under the tank, and it took about 6 hours of heating, hammering and fitting: http://i48.tinypic.com/2mqut8g.jpg Then once I got the tank to sit low enough, I made the front tanks mounts: http://i48.tinypic.com/wsl1yb.jpg I got the mount for the petcock relocated: http://i49.tinypic.com/5zmdm8.jpg The GT550 tank has this spot where it would sit on a rubber cushion on the frame: http://i48.tinypic.com/11j0pjq.jpg I made this mount and rubber block for the tank to sit on: http://i50.tinypic.com/wbromq.jpg I then used the GT550 rubber strap and made a new piece for the strap to attach that is under the tank instead of on the back where it hit the seat: http://i45.tinypic.com/2pysrwh.jpg http://i50.tinypic.com/1q25ip.jpg |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by ohiomoto on 10/06/17 at 06:02:46 My build is similar to Dave's in a lot of ways. I did mine is stages and was able to ride it after each stage. I didn't have to do the extra work on the tank. I spent far less time on my battery box, but I changed the design slightly and had to do it twice. So probably 4 hours. Overall I knocked my build out pretty fast, but I still probably have well over 100 hours in it and I didn't finish it to perfection of modify anything mechanical (outside of the mid controls) or electrical. I started my work at the end of August last summer wheels and suspension. Then I used it for the rest of the summer while I planned the next phase planned out and acquired parts. The rest of the build started late fall and was done by spring. But it's not a show bike and I'll probably add a few finishing touches here and there. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1472222031/0 |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/06/17 at 06:47:41 I haven't a clue of how many hours are involved and it's not done yet , but none of that matters cause I'm building it for myself and it has to be right. And like Dave has said in the past , it's never really finished ! ;D |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/17 at 06:47:59 Dave, that is just delicious. That's building a bike. Royal Enfield had a design that allowed you to pick what it looked like. Parts just interchanged. The Savage doesn't have any real convenient donors to swipe parts from. But, with the right tools and a mind that can envision the solutions, and the skills to bring the pictures in the mind into reality, it Can be done. If someone doesn't have the skills, they won't likely have the tools. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/06/17 at 08:27:43 yeah that battery box was one of the reason why I felt Ryca stuff was out of my budget :-[ The battery box is $350 ($400 if you want gloss black color) But I guess the time it takes to fabricate and stuff maybe it's worth it? |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/06/17 at 10:19:00 Daves battery box design it better , it got room for a big air filter !!! |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/17 at 11:14:37 65585C415E310 wrote:
Buy a plastic model, glue it together, add paint. Step back, say I built that. Grab materials, cut, shape, weld, assemble, add paint.. Now YOU built That. Wanna build a box? Grab a pad, and sketch it out, cut it out, fold it up.. I use different types of paper when I'm trying to mock something up. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/06/17 at 13:15:55 oh yeah that's a good idea. So if I build a box using cardboard, now I have a template and take to a local sheet metal workshop? It doesn't seem like too difficult to fabricate. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/06/17 at 15:09:13 After my first full mock up I saw something I just couldn't live with. I did the chain conversion made my chain tensioner and stood behind the bike and had a huge gap between the shock & chain. Wow that shock was way out in left field it looked horrible ! So both shock mounts on left side were cut off , shortened the top and fabbed a new lower mount and welded it on. Still out a tad more on the left than the right but barely noticeable. Lot of work but it had to be done. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/06/17 at 15:26:09 Bending metal is much easier with a work bench brake. You can get them at Horbor Freight. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/17 at 17:02:12 1B26223F204F0 wrote:
Do you have a place to work? Tools? Tell us about you, Cardboard,, hmm, probably not the kind you think of first.. Shoe box, construction paper, single layer, different weights for different things. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/06/17 at 21:25:55 The Origami Master ! |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/06/17 at 22:43:31 627D7B7C61665767576F7D713A080 wrote:
Do you have a place to work? Tools? Tell us about you, Cardboard,, hmm, probably not the kind you think of first.. Shoe box, construction paper, single layer, different weights for different things.[/quote] I do have all the basic tools. Angle grinder, impact wrench, different kinds of wheel stands, etc.. I do all my motorcycle maintenance by myself..or at least I try. However I do not have welder and I do not fabricate custom parts. But I know how to install all the parts, like exhaust, Power Commander V, rebuilding brakes calipers, changing suspension seals and springs, HIDs, spark plugs, sprockets & chains, changing tires, etc. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Dave on 10/07/17 at 04:11:54 1A27233E214E0 wrote:
I do use cardboard to mock up parts - not the corrugated kind....the kind that they call "poster board". I save the cardboard from the back of paper tablets or packing (or the signs the Antifa folks drop when they run away). Building a bike and not having a welder is a huge handicap. You can screw/bolt/rivet/epoxy things together - but it is more difficult and the end product may not be as visually acceptable. Do you currently own a Savage? If not, you may be money ahead if you watch for a RYCA Cafe' bike to come up for sale that the owner hasn't finished (or hasn't finished well) - and buy a Savage that already has the parts needed for the conversion. I bought my RYCA parts in 2012 and some of the parts were not as expensive then - and I felt that some of their parts were worth buying rather than fabricating (kick stand mount, rear set mount, seat parts, body side panels). I found footpegs, clip-ons, tail light, turn signals, mirrors and other parts at better prices, and I adapted a fuel tank from another bike and built the other parts I needed. Making your own parts is not easy - if you haven't done it before and gained some experience in making things from scratch. It can be very time consuming to make a pattern, convert it to metal, and get it to fit and look proper. Even for experienced folks it can be very time consuming and keep you in the garage rather than on the highway. I can remember when I was working on mine one spring - it was a pit painful to hear the bikes going down the road while I was hiding in my garage making and fitting parts instead of being able to go riding. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/17 at 06:40:19 Get to riding.. have fun. Build something later. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/07/17 at 21:39:02 Dave, No I do not currently own Savage. The reason why I joined in this forum was because the Ryca CS-1 really intrigued me. I have been riding sportbikes, but recently I've been interested in getting a cafe racer. I like they way they look and like the idea of simple and fun. I was originally looking at Yamaha SR400 and turning it into a cafe racer, but it was a bit too heavy. (yes, I know, the SR400 isn't THAT heavy at all, but it is compare to other cafe bikes) The TU250x was on my mind as well, but I found out that the Ryca CS-1 weighs about the same as TU250x so I was like why not just look into the Ryca CS-1. The TU250x can look pretty awesome though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imzsyBgfT7c&t=569s I like the Triumph Street Cup, but expensive and heavy. I was looking at the Cleveland Misfit, but it's just a re-badged CPI XR250 so I was like nah, their asking price is too expensive for what it is. http://www.cpi-motor.com.tw/eng/xr.htm |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Dave on 10/08/17 at 04:19:52 What size sport bike have you been riding? I have a Ninja 250, and the performance of a stock Savage is similar as they both have around 30 HP - however the ride is a lot different. The little Ninja has little torque and needs to be wound up for stuff to happen - the Savage is torquey and pulls hard at lower rpm. Both of them are powerful enough to be ridden long distance and can handle speeds of 70-75 mph. I don't think you would like the TU250 riding experience. I have never ridden one - but I did own a Kawasaki 250 dual sport and 60 mph was pretty much as fast as you could ride comfortably - beyond that the engine was just working too hard. The small 250 has to work pretty hard to accelerate at the same speed as the cars/trucks that are surrounding you at the traffic lights, and may not be able to keep up to speed on the hills. If you are not in a huge hurry, use Tempest Craigslist and look for a Savage that already has a RYCA Cafe' kit installed. I believe there are a couple of them that come up for sale on eBay every year. Use Tempest Craigslist to see if you can find one anywhere near you. Blue Collar Bobber makes kits for the Ninja 250, TU250, and they are more affordable than the RYCA kits. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/08/17 at 07:41:06 I have never ridden a little Kawasaki, but would like to. A guy was telling me about a fellow he knew in Odessa, six foot or so, not small,, who rode the 250 and really had fun with it. Rode it for years. Suggest you get something to ride. Have fun, think about what you want as a cafe, maybe you can find one someone started on. You can work on getting tooled up and schooled up on bending, welding, brazing, and be able to ride And build. How old are you? |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/08/17 at 16:07:38 I have had a Ninja 250R (2008), Ninja 300 (2014), Nina ZX-6R (2016) and Ninja 650 (2017). Yeah I know, they're all Ninjas and I don't know why, I always feel Ninjas feel right when I sit on them compare to R6 or CBR600RR. I like the Suzuki GSX-R750 but the fact that there's no ABS option was a deal breaker. And no I'm not looking for an ABS for Ryca since I know it doesn't have one. Yes I have seen the website and pictures of Blue Collar Ninja 250, but I didn't like it at all. The shape of tank does not flow, the gauge cluster is big and cheap looking, the Parallel Twin with liquid-cooled block with radiator does not look classic/vintage of cafe racer. To me, that bike looked like a toy. Yes, I know Triumph Street Cup is not air-cooled (if I remember correctly) but it doesn't matter because it has this air-cooled look. The TU250x is not bad, but it's only 250cc and not any lighter than the Ryca CS-1. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/08/17 at 17:29:02 Have you sat on a savage? |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/09/17 at 07:26:20 756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
Actually no I haven't. But I don't really see a point because sole purpose of me looking for Savage is to convert it into a Rycan CS-1 (or DIY cafe racer). |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Dave on 10/09/17 at 09:44:02 You should go ride a Savage and see if you like the power (or lack of power) that a big single delivers. You will also get to experience the pathetic front brake, and anemic top speed (compared to sport bikes). The Savage suits my riding style and environment very well - I have plenty of curvy rural roads to keep me entertained. On most of these roads 50 mph is not possible to maintain, and a 100 mile ride takes most of the time between breakfast/lunch or lunch/dinner. I seldom go riding with a need to be somewhere - most of my rides are just 2 wheel therapy sessions. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/09/17 at 10:17:42 Clears the mind by the time I get to 2nd gear after that it's a very serious ! |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/09/17 at 11:07:28 yeah but I wasn't sure if I would get the Ryca experience by riding Savage? I heard the Ryca CS-1 is 60 lbs lighter but does it still accelerate similarly? |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/09/17 at 11:09:53 Not that I have money or anything but one of the members here named Lancer has pretty awesome kit. I think he sells 695cc high compression piston, performance carburetor, stage 3 camshaft, racing valves, etc. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/09/17 at 12:20:31 I built the Ryca Tracker and was able to get it down to 308 lbs without really trying to hard and it still may loose a few more before it's finished. It's a 695cc with lot of mods too, I have ridden much faster singles but I won't complain it hauls a$$ for a cruiser engine ! |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Dave on 10/09/17 at 15:29:19 45787C617E110 wrote:
Some of us hop up the Savage with help from Lancer. The engine does run better and can go from 30 HP up to 40 HP....maybe a bit more. My Cafe' has a 95mm Wiseco, Stage 1 cam, Mikuni carb and a bit of port work.....it goes 0-60 in 5 seconds and can get to 100 mph if you really have to - it prefers to stay below 80 mph (or maybe that is just me). With a 97mm Wiseco and a Stage 3 cam you might be able to do better. Even with the hopping up it is a torquey engine and not one that really likes high rpm. It is a bit more expensive to hop up the engine in this manner.......it is easy to spend $1,000 on hop-up parts. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by LANCER on 10/09/17 at 17:01:38 Quote:
Well, if you insist. [ch128513][ch127949][ch128526]. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/09/17 at 19:25:35 If you have a bike already , it's simple , get a backpack put 4 15 lb bowling balls in it and go ride your bike hard then take it off and go for another ride and you will notice the difference in loosing 60 lb off a bike. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/09/17 at 19:59:10 You should build a cafe only if that's what you really want. Building one and then selling it you most likely will loose money. We build our bikes cause we can't buy what we want and we want to be different. The Savage/S40 is the ideal bike to build and very cost effective , oh yeah it's hella fun too ! Build a cafe make it how you want it and then if it pleases you , then pull the motor out and give the upgrades , spread out the payments so to speak. Warning , building bikes is addicting , it will take on a life of it's own and consume you , demanding all your thoughts & dreams & skills ! It is a sickness , proceed with caution !!! Go ahead and laugh , you'll see !!! ;D |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Timpo on 10/11/17 at 12:03:30 66414040584D340 wrote:
I don't know if that would be quite the same experience since the Ryca CS-1 has different suspension, riding position, wheels/rims/ etc... but yeah I should be able to get a feeling of acceleration.. oh and I'm not trying to make money by building a cafe racer, I know it's a hobby and NOT an investment haha |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/11/17 at 12:35:05 Buy one and build it,big fun and then getting to ride what you built,that's the best part !!! |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/11/17 at 12:50:33 I've never ridden a Savage...haven't even sat on one. I purchased my bike, rolled it into the back of my pickup, brought it home, rolled it onto my bike stand and had it completely apart (engine in frame) in about an hour from arriving home. Looking back I probably should have ridden it, but it just didn't interest me. I've ridden bikes with forward controls in the past (even owned on, VN750) and I don't like 'em. The S40 cafe has plenty of power. Afterall, it's not a sport bike - it's a cafe tribute. Even if it could go faster I wouldn't ride it any faster than I do (50-60 mph on the back roads). I've had it up to 70-80 on the highway and it just isn't fun. On back roads, it's an absolute blast to ride. More power for acceleration is always welcome, but on this bike, not necessary. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/11/17 at 19:51:14 That's funny Gary , mine had tool & saddle bags with roses on them , so they got removed even before it came off the trailer ! Unloaded it , started it rode it down to the corner and back. Took it apart and cut the spokes with bolt cutters to send the hubs & fuel tank & swing arm to RYCA. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by SpamyToo on 10/16/17 at 22:51:15 @Timpo Just some input for you. Ive owned and ridden a big variety of bikes from CRF50's to a bunch of different liter bikes. Each one has its thrill and the LS650 bike cafe'd out is the same. It doesnt thrill much in the high speed department or even cornering that well, but still compared to all the bikes I have had its in the top 2 or 3 funnest bikes Ive ever had. Something about how narrow it is, the sound of the bike, the torque, the simplicity of it. Its just a blast to ride. Ive held on to mine now for more than 5 years, I think that may be the longest stint with a street bike for me. This opinion is in comparison to some of these that I had or borrowed... CBR600rr, CBR929rr, CBR954rr, YZF600, Harley Fatboy, Harley Springer softtail, XR600r, CR250, KTM520, CRF450, CRF250, RM250, YSR50 ha ha, Yamaha Fatcat , Suzuki 1700, Kawasaki 1800, YZF426, YZF450, CR125, XR400, Ducati monster 800, Triumph T100, CB750, CB360, GSXR 600, Yamaha R1, R6, TT100, YZ80, KX100, CBR250, Suzuki GT550, Suzuki GS550, and so on. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by ohiomoto on 10/17/17 at 06:25:42 6546575B4F625959360 wrote:
Fun like this? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=376Ns8l6Q7M[/media] |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by Ruttly on 10/17/17 at 19:40:31 Man I love that video , it never gets old. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by LANCER on 10/18/17 at 03:08:25 Would like to be able to do that kind of riding but my body does not cooperate any more. [ch9785][ch65039] |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/18/17 at 14:33:15 Wow... I wish he would find this forum. I wonder how stock that thing is. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by ohiomoto on 10/19/17 at 05:27:19 IIRC, someone posted in the other thread that they knew the rider, the bike was mostly stock sans muffler, and that the bike was sold. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/19/17 at 11:14:59 I wonder what he is terrorizing the world on now.. |
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Title: Re: non-Ryca Cafe Racer? Post by ohiomoto on 10/23/17 at 12:06:39 32353432303229325D0 wrote:
I was looking at my parts list and realized I spent less than I thought. |
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