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Message started by marccarrion on 09/09/17 at 11:17:49

Title: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by marccarrion on 09/09/17 at 11:17:49

Hi forum, I'm having some issues with my Savage. I had to re-charge the battery and I changed the spark plug. I had also changed the petcock a while ago. Now the bike starts and I let it seat on iddle for a couple of minutes, I don't give it more gas or touch anything, just seating, it goes strong for a couple of minutes and then it starts sputtering and it eventually dies. It all happens in the 2-5 minutes range. Right now I'm planning to empty the tank and fill it with fresh gas (as the one in there has been sitting for a while), But I was wondering what else could cause it? Any suggestions on what I should check?

Thanks,

Marc

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/17 at 13:48:19

Has it ever run okay since you had it?

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by marccarrion on 09/09/17 at 14:09:28

Yes, it had been running ok last year, and this summer has been sputtering now and then, but it would had not stop. When it looked like it was going to choke, I would give it some gas and it would be ok again. Now giving it gas just kills it quicker

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/17 at 16:27:51

The gas in the carburetor gunked up the jets.
If you have never had the carb apart the odds of winning with it still mounted is slim.
The easiest, certainly safest, approach is remove the carb, get it on the bench and get the bowl off.

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by marccarrion on 09/10/17 at 06:20:55

I did not want to remove the carbs :D it would be my first time, but at least is nothing terribly wrong, right?

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/17 at 06:42:10

It's tedious, not technically difficult.
Tools are cheap.

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by IslandRoad on 09/10/17 at 14:03:26

64687B6A6A687B7B606667090 wrote:

I did not want to remove the carbs :D it would be my first time, but at least is nothing terribly wrong, right?

I removed my carb for the first time a few months ago. I had no previous experience. I had put it off too. The key is to do a lot of searching on this forum, there are lots of conversations about it. As JOG said, it's not difficult - but there are a few tips that really help.

I didn't fully disassemble mine. Just removed the jets and slider for replacing/cleaning. I left the float in place.

The best advice is to plan a time and place to do it. Don't try to hurry. Don't take shortcuts - if a screw is stuck, don't try to force it with the wrong tool. I also took photos with my phone at every step as a reference.

First time I was really nervous. Second time was fine. Third time I felt like I knew what I was doing. It's very satisfying for someone with no experience [ch9786][ch9786]

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by marccarrion on 10/08/17 at 10:45:57

5C4345425F5869596951434F04360 wrote:

I finally got to it, after fighting with the nuts on the top of the carb, I was able to take it apart. I cleaned it with carb cleaning foam, and put it back together. Nothing looked terribly gunk'd up. I'm going to be re-installing it soon. I hope that fixes it :D

Thanks,
Marc

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/08/17 at 14:09:23

Chemtool, B12, spray.
Make sure the jets are clear and the passages in the carb.
You can't Get too much ventilation or be too careful about keeping this stuff Out of the eyes.
The slide needs to be clean and dry, no fingerprints. Be careful with the diaphragm and orient it correctly.
Putting the carb on and finding out it's not okay will be a bummer.

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by marccarrion on 10/11/17 at 13:22:18

Thanks!

I put it together, and the bike started with no problem, I went for a short ride on the neighborhood (as my state inspection is expired) and it was ok, a little bit of hesitation between second and third gears, but nothing major.

But then I checked other things and noticed the oil is really low, I mean really low. But I filled it less 100 miles ago, so I don't know if I didn't fill it enough or if I'm loosing oil (but I don't see any obvious leak, no oil on the pavement where the bike is parked). So, I'm planning to refill it before I take it for the inspection and longer rides, but I was wondering what can cause a leak without obvious oil outside the bike, and how can I fix that.

Thanks!!

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by batman on 10/11/17 at 14:24:40

The sight glass will look empty when the bike is on the sidestand,to check the oil the bike needs to be held level.

Title: Re: Sputtering and dying when starting
Post by marccarrion on 10/16/17 at 13:18:52

You saved me another oil change :), when I tipped it, I saw the line, it's all good. I took it to pass the state inspection, no problem. The bike sounds much better than before :D, now I just need to figure out what is this big spring that was left after I cleaned the carbs... not sure where it goes, but it looks like it is not needed, right?

Thanks everyone!!!

PS: I'm kidding, the spring went where it came from, I had no pieces left after putting it back together :D