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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1503437542 Message started by kojones on 08/22/17 at 14:32:22 |
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Title: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 08/22/17 at 14:32:22 I would like to have a 17 inch rear wheel to use with 130/80 dual sport tires & knobbies. I have a spare Savage rear wheel, so I still need a new rim and spokes or a suitable wheel. Any suggestions how to approach this? Thanks in advance. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Dave on 08/22/17 at 15:57:42 Buchanan's Spoke and Wheel in California can fix you up with the correct spokes, and a rim with the holes punched at the correct angle. I don't know how expensive it will be to ship the parts to Finland! :-? |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/22/17 at 16:39:37 +1 on Buchanan's. I found them great to work with. Great communication too. Their Sun line is their own line and it's high quality. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Armen on 08/22/17 at 17:42:20 I used Woody's Wheel Works in Colorado. Might as well do their tubeless conversion while you are at it. Nice to never have to buy tubes again, and the tires can be plugged if/when you get a flat. they've done a few wheels for me. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 08/23/17 at 04:45:32 6B505D4A5B574C4A5159544B380 wrote:
Very, very expensive, at least for the rim ;D I was thinking of doing it myself during the winter and leave the truing to a pro. I read something about a weird spoking pattern that Suzuki uses, I was thinking of purchasing a DR rear wheel, disassembling it and putting it back together with the LS hub. If there just was a DR wheel with the same size hub as the Savage it would be almost too easy 8-) |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/23/17 at 05:16:12 As long as the hub and the rim are both 36 spoke, you're all set. Nothing strange about the pattern. Search on my name for my DRZ Tracker thread in the Cafe and you will find a how-to on wheel lacing and truing embedded in there. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Dave on 08/23/17 at 08:18:13 One of the issue is that the drum brake requires short spokes, and a rim with the holes drilled/punched at a pretty steep angle. If the 17" rim comes from a donor bike that uses a disc brake, the spoke angle will likely be too shallow to work well with the Savage hub. Some folks have just taken a drill bit and wallowed out the holes in the rim....that isn't something I would recommend doing. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/23/17 at 08:56:49 Good point Dave. I think Buchanan's can provide a rim with the nipple holes at the correct angle. At a charge, of course. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by ohiomoto on 08/23/17 at 09:24:34 This might be a little more "local" for kojones: http://www.central-wheel.co.uk/ |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 08/25/17 at 08:37:52 704B4651404C57514A424F50230 wrote:
Good information, thanks. Old DR's have drum brakes, so no problem there. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 08/25/17 at 08:39:57 2027262022203B204F0 wrote:
Excellent link, thank you! Postage from UK is much more reasonable than overseas, altough just for the spokes it isn't that much. But it wouldn't even be too expensive to send them the hub. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Dave on 08/25/17 at 09:08:57 One of the things you need to be aware of - is that modern dual sport tires seem to require a pretty wide rim. Even a narrow 120/90-17 tire needs a rim not less than 2.50" wide. Be sure the tires you are looking for will fit on the rim you buy. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 08/25/17 at 18:24:35 6B505D4A5B574C4A5159544B380 wrote:
Good point! I was thinking of 3.00 or a 3.50 wide rim, wider would make the profile flatter and decrease the diameter. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Steddy58 on 08/25/17 at 18:49:31 I have just had a front wheel 19 x 2.50 ( including tyre ) built onto my hub, ss spokes and ally rim, and a rear wheel built from my rear hub with a 16"x 3.00 by Central Wheel Components in the UK and they did a really good job - bloody expensive mind but that was ss spokes, chrome plated brass nipples, ally rim,new tyre,blasting and powder coating both hubs and they built them and balanced them , so if you just wanted spokes and the rim they could probably do that. If I was you I'd give them a ring ( I hope you can speak English cos I'm pretty confident none of them speak Finnish :) :) ) Although them being from Birmingham they speak a strange variation of English ;D. If you want to p.m. me I'll sort out their phone number. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 09/15/17 at 02:33:40 email sent to central wheel components and one finnish shop, we'll see what kind of an offer they can make. I found a 17 inch Suzuki rear wheel on eBay, 160mm drum brake and same rubber cushions, wheel bearings and same bushing between the bearings. Looks promising, hope the seller accepts my lowball offer ;D |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Dave on 09/15/17 at 04:16:58 7773767372796F1C0 wrote:
It will flatten the profile - but it won't decrease the diameter. The chords in the tire carcass won't compress when you make the tire beads go wider.....they can stretch a bit when you are riding at high speed and increase the diameter temporarily. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 09/20/17 at 06:41:50 4B707D6A7B776C6A7179746B180 wrote:
OK, then it's not necessary to buy too wide of a rim for that reason :) I bought a 1st gen Suzuki DR750S wheel from eBay, hope it's a direct fit. If not, the rim and spokes should fit the Savage hub as the drum brake is the same diameter and the rubber cushions are the same. 130/80-17 should fit nicely and increase the diameter about 6 percents compared to stock. Chain & sprockets on the way, too 8-) |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 10/04/17 at 04:27:14 DR750S rear wheel is a direct fit, it's the exact same hub as in Savage, marked "814". |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 10/04/17 at 06:29:37 Fits better than stock if you ask me |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Dave on 10/04/17 at 07:24:29 That is a good find Kojones (I just don't feel good about typing your forum name....even with the K replacing the C). The DR750 is a rare bird in the US, and it will be hard for anyone over hear to find that rear wheel. Maybe you should see if you can get the engine from that bike! :) |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/04/17 at 07:49:01 I like the bike. Will the foot controls & pegs be moved back? |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 10/04/17 at 07:55:28 42797463727E656378707D62110 wrote:
There's a wheel for sale if anyone is interested http://www.ebay.com/itm/Suzuki-DR-750-S-DR-BIG-SR-41-B-Hinterrad-Felge-mit-Nabe-back-wheel-TOP-/332379655438?hash=item4d635f0d0e:g:94oAAOSw0hlZuv84&vxp=mtr#shpCntId I'm quite sure the seller accepts an offer of 80 euros, shipping seems to be the same to US that it is to Finland. If the DR big just had an air-cooled engine I would be interested, liquid cooling is one more thing to worry about. And no, I'm not changing my forum name ;D |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 10/04/17 at 07:57:29 4D474349424B4F46181E1A2A0 wrote:
At some point, yes. Still have so many things to do for this winter and only about six months of time :D |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Ruttly on 10/07/17 at 10:45:33 Like the bike,another different vision of a Savage. It has nice lines. The 17" wheel is perfect,good choice ! |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by Ruttly on 10/07/17 at 15:06:33 Kojones, I'm not criticizing your paint job so don't take this wrong. I'm not a fan of the stock tank cause of the exposed seam going around the tank and it wonder if it was painted black blending into the frame if it would change the appearance much. A quick way to check it would be a roll of black electrical tape to cover up the flange/seam and it would smaller but retaining the same shape. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by mpescatori on 10/17/17 at 01:14:54 2E2A2F2A2B2036450 wrote:
Just ordered one from a german breaker - let's see just how good the wheel is and I'll then buy a new tire with rolling diameter equal to the stock tire. I'm sure a 17" wheel with a ... ::) 130/80R17 will perform just as well as a 140/80R15, if not better 8-) |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 10/17/17 at 08:52:44 002726263E2B520 wrote:
Great idea! I like the stock tank, but it might be better with the seam masked. The tank and side covers are getting a new paint anyway, thinking of british racing green. |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by kojones on 10/17/17 at 09:00:39 293421372725302B362D440 wrote:
You might wanna consider sizes 4.6-17 or 5.1-17, as they have higher load rating than the stock tire, 130/80-17 has only 65. Both are technically just fine, but at least in Finland one could get in trouble with wrong tyres :P |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by ohiomoto on 10/17/17 at 11:09:18 20242124252E384B0 wrote:
Oooo, one of my favorite all time colors growing up. Had a 73 MGB rust bucket. Had dreams of fixing it up and laying BRG on it. But, I was young, dumb and poor so I sold it for $300 instead. lol On a side note, I'm a sucker for British design. Too bad everything British I've ever owned was a POS. Even my wife's GREEN 2012 Land Rover Freelander. Cute little car but a POS. I mean it was 2012, anyone can build a reliable car in 2012, right? At least that's what I told myself! A year later my wife was begging me to trade it in on something else and it was gone before the 50k mile warranty was expired. LOL So yeah, BRG all the way!!!! |
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Title: Re: Re-lacing stock hub with a 17 inch rim Post by mpescatori on 10/18/17 at 09:42:28 42464346474C5A290 wrote:
You might wanna consider sizes 4.6-17 or 5.1-17, as they have higher load rating than the stock tire, 130/80-17 has only 65. Both are technically just fine, but at least in Finland one could get in trouble with wrong tyres :P[/quote] The Savage has a Mammoth rear tire which is oversized and overengineered in respect to both speed and weight. I do not see how a 130/80x17 can fail when HD Dynas or Road Kings of the same year use 130/90x16... and weigh exactly twice as much... ::) |
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