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Title: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/01/17 at 12:12:34 So , I was going through a local bike shop a couple week ago ... (One should never do this) . I started "lifting handle bars ,checking weights". When I lifted a Moto Guzzi V7 , I did a double take and hoisted it up again ! [ch9786]. Its only 418 lbs. and 52HP/44+lbs of Tork. Wow ! [ch128512] Then I saw a V9 used in the other section ... [ch128523] only 10 lbs more ! [ch9786] I can't get them out of my head ... Either one of them would take the place of the Harley (560 lbs my WE Bike) and look better the whole time . I understand MotoGuzzi has been making the V7 for 50 years now and this is the III generation model , so its well proven ! [ch128528] So , my choice's are : 1. Keep druelling till my bucket runs over 2. Get a new V7 III 3. Get the 2016 used V9 HELP. [ch128561] I can sell the Harley next spring , but its paid for and I don't have too , but a Me bike and a We bike is all the bikes I really need. Anybody ever have either of these bike or know someone who does ? [ch128533] |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 08/01/17 at 12:22:16 I want a Guzzi too! Everything I have ever read about them is good. Think I would buy a new one unless the used one is absolutely perfect. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/01/17 at 12:28:17 Ruttly Which one got you duelling ? |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/01/17 at 13:16:52 I had a guzzi Nevada and the pegs were high, making it feel like riding a racehorse. It was okay, but not great.. A Guzzi running up sounds like a V-8.. Really a nice sound. Be aware they have a fuel pump in the tank. Hopefully they have solved the ethanol problem. The hoses used to pop off, and no gas to the injector. There is a forum and the most widely acclaimed shop is MPH in Houston. Luigi is known for being a bit cheap on grease in the head bearings. Mike sets them up right. Yes, he Could unrated them and sell them, but he doesn't. A call to them and a chat with Mike to ask what you should know before you buy one wouldn't cost much. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 08/01/17 at 15:17:58 Griso would be sweet but I'll settle for V7 III Special . |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by engineer on 08/01/17 at 18:40:39 JOG, they fixed the ethanol related fuel filter problem long ago. The fix was to remove the plastic filter and install one with a metal case. The PO already had it done to my 2007 Nevada when I bought it five or six years ago. I made offset brackets to lower my pegs one inch and also made a new higher seat to accommodate my long legs. I removed the "air scoops" and the chrome trim and hard bag brackets on the rear fender to further reduce the weight. Don' like heavy bikes. The new V7 III and the V9 all have a new head design that improves performance and helps it meet the new EU standards. My 2007 Guzzi runs well at freeway speeds and feels more comfortable at those at those speeds than my S40 so I generally use the Guzzi for longer and or faster riding. Some people don't like the feel of a dry clutch but it seems fine to me. Other than tires, brake pads and fluid changes mine has required no maintenance. I have been thinking about getting a V9 Roamer. I like the seating position and it feels a little roomier than the V7. MM, I've ridden Sportsters and the Guzzis are very different. You should test drive them before you decide to get one. I've liked Italian bikes since I was a kid. Before the Japanese bikes arrived in the US the Italian bikes ruled the small displacement market. They seem to have a better understanding of how to make a bike light weight. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Armen on 08/01/17 at 19:04:11 Isn't advertising wonderful? "Making the V7 for 50 years'. Not really. If I remember the history correctly... There are two distinct families of Guzzis. The big block ones and the small block ones. The original V7 was of the big block family, which evolved into todays big bikes. A smaller engine family was introduced with the 350, 500, 650, 750, and now 900 motors. In, general, the small block bikes were significantly lighter, and the designs were newer. One raging exception to 'new' was the use of Heron heads on the small block bikes. This is a design which uses parallel valves, a flat bottom cylinder head, and the combustion chamber carved into the top of the piston domes. AFAIK, this was considered a good idea for about 3 minutes one afternoon in the '70s. Except for older Jags, I can't think of anyone who uses Heron heads. Bad and wrong would be a polite way to describe the design. Apparently, the new V9 uses a conventional head, and actually makes some power, as opposed to the 700cc sub 50 HP gutless wonder. At least the small block bikes are light, so the few Shetland ponies they have corralled don't have much to haul around. So, a more accurate ad would be "Using the V7 name again, even though the bike has not much in common with it's namesake" Kinda like a modern Bonnie. Worked on a V7 the other day. Still a bunch of idiotic (I'm sorry, 'quirky') things to deal with on the bikes. To each his own. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 08/01/17 at 19:23:59 Not so sure about a gas engine but almost every Diesel engine is built that way and there is a huge difference between combustible and flammable fuels. But a combustion chamber in the top of the piston is a very efficient way to contain and direct the energy created in a diesel. It does seem to be extremely low tech for a Italian made machine. Are they four valve heads ? This is the first time I've ever heard of it on a gas engine. Possible it was originally designed to be a diesel engine. What about the 1200 engine ? |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/01/17 at 19:51:06 Ruttly I've been reading everything I can find on the V7 III , its two valves / cylinder . Its also 52 HP and 44.2 ft/lbs. and displaces 744 cc. weighs in at 418 lbs . had 130/80-17 rear and 18" front. My local dealer has a Special (blue/white) 2016 w/1,200 ish miles (spoke wheels) . for $6,999 . They also have three 2017 Stone models , for $7,999 . I kinda like the mag wheels of the Stone model . but the 2017 Stone model don't have the dual gages , or much of a front fender. I'm thinking of the 2016 Stone , it has chrome mufflers and dual gauges and a real front fender . But , they seem to be hard to find (the 2016 Stone Model). They sold the V-9 they had today , some guy from up north bought it sight unseen ! It had 800 + miles (2016 yellow) $6,999 . It was the Roamer model and the seat was too small . |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 08/01/17 at 20:10:11 MM , Remember the gas tanks are usually empty or very little in it. Makes the bike feel lighter and then add 4 gal of fuel it changes that light feeling. A bike with a low center of gravity feels much lighter than it is. My 308 lb Savage/RYCA tracker with its high COG feels heavier than my 505 lb Sportster with its lower COG. But a huge dramatic difference when riding them cause of the 200 lb difference , much more planning and physical effort with the sportster where the tracker is so light and agile if you screw up in a turn the bike will go where ever you want it to , very easy to correct a mistake with lean or throttle , same mistake on the sportster and you may be testing your off roading skills or worse. Sportster builds muscle Tracker builds excitement and huge smiles. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/01/17 at 20:44:04 Hope to see your Tracker some day ! :) your right about the Sportster building a body up ! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by jcstokes on 08/02/17 at 01:28:08 Some years ago, before I returned to riding, there was a group of "mature" riders at my workplace. One had a Guzzie, when it ran it was some sort of deity. Most times if it ran it didn't run well, and the strife, the issues, went on and on and on and on. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by gizzo on 08/02/17 at 01:56:47 02312E262D430 wrote:
Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Armen on 08/02/17 at 02:59:45 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport Right, another gutless wonder. All 16 of them that they made. The fact that Guzzi stuck with that head design for so long goes a long way to explaining why they never sold many here. Maybe in a country with tiered licensing and insurance that favors low HP high cost bikes, but not in the US. Shame, because the small block bikes had potential. And still do, if only they'd make them a little less quirky and a little more powerful. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 08/02/17 at 04:41:59 MM. Go look at a Triumph Bonneville. It likely won't be cheap - but it has enough seat to be a "we" bike. My friend and his wife shipped their bike over to the UK and spent 6 weeks riding double. The bike has plenty of power, looks good, and handles great. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by engineer on 08/02/17 at 10:05:00 The Heron head is no longer an issue since they quit making that design and now use conventional heads. The small block engine from which the current V7 and V9 series is derived has been made for nearly 30 years so they do have experience with that design and it is derived from the older large block design. I don't see a reason to label the v7 or v9 as "quirky". If anything it is truly retro and does not try to be a sport bike. Performance is not the reason why people buy these things. I currently own 4 very different bikes and have owned lots of bikes in the past. I see nothing unusual or "quirky" about the Guzzi. It is what it is, it doesn't imitate other bikes. Armen wrote, " the 700cc sub 50 HP gutless wonder" (he is referring to the older models, that would be my bike). Obviously some consider it to be under powered. The V7 will scoot past most city traffic, it will do the ton and run at expressway speeds all day long year after year. In performance and design it is very much like the BMW airheads of similar displacement. The biggest problem I see with the Guzzis is that they are expensive for what you get and the resale is low. Also there are not many dealers in the US and some of them don't sale enough of them to have any decent experience in their service departments. The designs are solid but there have been a few quality control problems. The Japanese manufacturers are more consistent in their quality control. Having said all that my next bike may be smaller and lighter. The new small displacement Versys, BMW, KTM and even the new 500 Rebel have me interested and they are attractively priced. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by ohiomoto on 08/02/17 at 11:27:35 Armen, I get that you aren't into Guzzis, but I don't see our 650cc engine ever doing the ton (over 100mph) so I guess it's a gutless wonder too?? |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by v-pilot on 08/02/17 at 14:07:57 I think the V50 made it's European debut in '76. I have a late production '77 registered as a '78. I think they moved small block production to Milan in '78. I'm a tractor fan, I have a few of them. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by gizzo on 08/02/17 at 14:27:33 In any event, and I don't have a dog in the fight because I don't own one, the Morini was good for 90mph plus, can use a stupidly small amount of fuel (80mpg) looks beautiful and evidently handles very well indeed. And they were quite popular in Europe More than 16 anyway, despite being very expensive. Not bad for a 350 with Heron head. Also came in 500cc and ADV style Kanguro. Maybe they were not so popular in the States? I'd have one any day. A Guzzi, too. That'll have to wait though. Just bought a TRX850. More quirk. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/02/17 at 14:27:45 Well , I put a deposit on a 2016 (new) V-7 Stone today , so I'll be picking it up sometime in the next two weeks . I'll keep the Harley for a while and by spring have it ready to pass on to the new lucky owner . The V7 has the same power and is 150# lighter . The Guzzi also has anti-lock breaks , and blue tooth ??? I see a learning curve in my future ! :-X I understand it connects to your smart phone somehow so you can still find your bike if ya come out of the bar after dark and forget where you parked ! ;D |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by gizzo on 08/02/17 at 14:29:04 Congrats, man. Nice scooter 8-) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/02/17 at 14:43:15 Yea Gizzo I'm thinking Hard Bags this time , and what ever makes the Wife more comfortable ! our nest is close to being empty and we need a touring bike that don't weigh a 1000 #'s . This one is only 418 # starting out. :) The 5.8 gal fuel tank might be nice too ! ;) remind me of when I could only put in $5.00 worth and the tank never got filled . ;D |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by engineer on 08/02/17 at 18:25:29 MM, congratulations! Have fun and give us an update! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by springman on 08/02/17 at 18:35:49 Congrats MM, that is a nice looking bike. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 08/02/17 at 19:00:17 Very Nice MM , it's bueatiful , now I'm jealous ! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Armen on 08/03/17 at 02:35:45 Very handsome bike! Enjoy! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 08/03/17 at 03:51:50 MM......cool! Does this mean that in the future I won't get to see sparks flying off the end of your footpegs as you corner? You might need a bit of a wardrobe change...maybe something like this! http://i63.tinypic.com/imp1cn.jpg |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/03/17 at 05:16:15 Great choice. I can't wait to see the ride report(s). I've only ridden a Guzzi once, but what was memorable was running the throttle back and forth at a traffic light and feeling the the bike rock to the right - like only a proper V engine can. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/03/17 at 05:51:12 Thanks guys , I haven't even ridden a guzzi yet , ... but am going with the fact that they have been making bikes a long time. There was a dealer in the next town over when I was in my 20's . He always rode a Guzzi , but they were really big bikes back then --- but he was a big feller . Kind of like my friend Charles who rides am old Gold Wing , but he is a big feller and the bike fits him good. Its light , and still has room and power to double is the idea that I like . :) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/03/17 at 06:52:05 Dave , I didn't even think about the --- Image --- factor ... :-[ If my leather and hair need to match , maybe I should find some --- Chrome --- leathers ;D . |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by pg on 08/03/17 at 06:59:39 Wow, and it is a shaft drive as well! Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by verslagen1 on 08/03/17 at 08:29:28 So, how many of the girls did you have to part with? |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by stewmills on 08/03/17 at 12:55:05 I know why you got that...you got scared when Dave and I were catching you on the Dragon and you had to step it up a notch with a bigger bike to compensate. We're still gonna catch you!!! Congrats! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/03/17 at 14:29:24 Well Versey , It how many I didn't have to part with ... List is $7,999 at my local dealer for the 2017 models , but they have flat Black all over them (mufflers included ) and only half a front fender . The 2016 models have chrome muffle and semi shinny paint and a real front fender . I found a dealer in Pa. who has two of them , one black and one silver , the silver one was 21% less (still new) the black one is a demo model . There were a few in Texas too , and several in Calf. One of the ones in Calf. already has a rack on the back and ( ?? :-/ ?? ) 4,000 miles on it , that was the better deal but :o dang " that's a long way away" just to save a few bucks. (cycle Trader , moto guzzi V7-II Stone ) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by verslagen1 on 08/03/17 at 14:33:44 If it's LA based, I can throw it on the truck for you. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/03/17 at 14:48:21 I got a deposit on the New one already . but I had a brief though about flying out to visit ya and ridding home . So now I'll have to ride out to visit ya and ride your neighborhood for a day or two before pointing up to the Black Hills for a visit. ??? Maybe next August ??? Wild Hogs Style ??? :-? |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 08/04/17 at 10:44:26 It looks like the V7 has Pirelli Sport Demon tires.......they stick great and you won't be slipping on the wet roads anymore - but you won't be getting 18,000 miles on a rear tire either! When you wear those out you might try the Michelin Sport Active if they come in your size - that is what I am going to try next on the Honda NT700....and maybe the Cafe' Savage. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by ohiomoto on 08/04/17 at 18:00:41 Nice looking bike. I like the retro style. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/06/17 at 20:55:11 Yea Dave its got Sport Demon's , you know I like long life tires as 99% of my riding is on dry roads , and its kind of fun when the rear slides and the front don't ! ;D So are the Michelin Sport Active long life tires ? I got back home with it today . Tags and insurance tomorrow :) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 08/07/17 at 05:09:22 Ooops.....it is the Michelin Pilot Activ. http://motorcycle.michelinman.com/US/en/tires/products/pilot-activ.html# Sport Demons are about as soft as you can get in a street tire....they grip really well - but the rubber is soft and they wear quickly. The Bridgestone Battlax BT45 is a bit more durable - the front has a block pattern that wears uneven and become a bit noisy when leaned over.....but the rear tire has a harder compound in the center and softer on the sides which helps slow down the wear in the center. Both of these tires have tread compounds that work very well in the wet. The Avon AM26 Roadrider might also be a tire that wears a bit slower - however "mileage" is not listed as one of the tires virtues. The guys that run the speed contests in the "standing mile" tend to use the Avons, as they come in a lot of sizes and some have a 149 mph speed rating. http://www.avonmoto.com/products/street-bias/roadrider |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/07/17 at 18:09:45 Well , Tags and Insurance is done. First Ride Report : The motor idling and sitting straddle of it give an unusual sensation when the throttle is gently applied , as going from idle to 3000 rpm. the whole bike moves from left to right with the flywheel accelerating . Kind of fells GOOD ... 8-) Its only 52 HP and 44. ft/lbs. but it pulls great ! 8-) The gearing can't be manipulated , so what it is , is what it is . The gears are a little close together but ... there are six of em. First is tall enough to clear all but the biggest intersections . Sixth is about like my Savage with the front Kawasaki pulley (3k = 50mph) (4k = 70mph) . Back to the gears being close ... so in third (3rd) gear at 7000 rpm (limiter cuts in) , the speedometer is showing 80mph. I though the stroke (74mm) should go about 8000rpm. The bore is 80mm. So gearing is a linear equation so ... 3500rpm would be 60mph so 7000rpm would be 120mph. That OK , 75mph cruse is just the high side of 4000rpm. :) also getting down to 40mph in 6th gear is still smooth , 8-). |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 08/08/17 at 12:15:39 Oh numbers numbers numbers, corners how does it corner , how does it ride with shaft drive , stopping what is the abs like ???? Does it feel heavy with a full tank ? I'm so jealous ! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 08/08/17 at 12:45:25 634445455D48310 wrote:
Ruttly - In a month when MM has it all broken in and ready to ride at WOT....a bunch of us are going to be standing in line for our chance to ride! Come on over....you can get in line right behind me! ;) (Maybe MM should have delayed the delivery of his bike for a month........knowing that he was having a gathering of old scooter trash at his house in early September. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Trippah on 08/08/17 at 14:29:29 and if you haven't already visited it, the wildguzzi forum is a pleasant campfire. Tell them Trippah sent you (and then duck!). |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 08/08/17 at 15:19:08 Dave , I hate reading these topics about the gatherings just cause I know I can't grace you with my presence ;D. But I feel the need to stay up to date with you all. I ride with you , I'm the one your all chasing but just can't seem to catch up to. Ride safe and enjoy ! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Oldfeller on 08/08/17 at 18:52:57 MM, I find it kinda harsh to hit the rpm limiter and just have everything STOP increasing abruptly. I am too used to going on up to valve float if I want to on my old Savage. The gears seem very close together, with the rev limiter keeps saying shift all the time. The Barcalounger just goes twist, time to shift, twist, time to shift, etc and very very soon you are out of gears and doing 100+ mph and it is all so smmmoooooth and sorta boring compared to a snarling, spitting single. You keep wanting to find another gear ...... :D |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/08/17 at 19:53:35 I'm going to get you fellers all lined up at the local MotoGuzzi Shop for test rides : So I was adding the Guzzi to my insurance policy and my insurance agent ask about other drivers . Come to find out ... anybody I let ride my bike has to be added to my policy ahead of time ... OR ... I'm risking everything ... as in NO COVERAGE . :-[ That was quite an awaking for me to find out , we've traded bike for short rides and I had no idea my insurance was not going to cover anything. Also : OldFeller , you need to bring your bike to ride. I like you fellers and like ridding with ya'll more than any other group I've meet but , I don't need to be putting all of everybody on my drivers list. ::) Ya'll , might want to check with your insurance agents ??? :-? |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by verslagen1 on 08/08/17 at 20:36:37 most insurance covers similar vehicles... but yours is new, so IDK. If I wreck it we'll trade pinks... ok? [smiley=evil.gif] |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 08/08/17 at 21:11:55 No , We go to the local dealer and everybody rides his bikes ! :) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/09/17 at 05:12:16 485A485A57444B464D050 wrote:
Yeah, that's my memory from my one and only Guzzi ride 35 years ago. It's cool. 485A485A57444B464D050 wrote:
Last I checked, that's about double the horsepower of the Savage. Numbers don't mean crap out on the road. Enjoy the new ride. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by ohiomoto on 08/24/17 at 07:52:02 Updates? Pictures? |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 09/15/17 at 06:52:36 MMRanch: I looked up the numbers on the tire swap you are considering (to get a bit taller gearing on the Guzzi). The stock 130/80-17 tire is 5.4" wide, and has a diameter of 25.4 inches. It turns 821.4 revolutions per mile, and fits on a 2.50" -3.50" wide rim. The 130/90-17 tire is 5.5" wide, and has a diameter of 26.4 inches. It turns 789.6 revolutions per mile, and fits on a 2.50" -3.50" wide rim. This tire would reduce the existing clearance to the swing arm and fender by 1/2". The 140/80-17 tire is 5.6" wide, and has a diameter of 26.2 inches. It turns 796.7 revolutions per mile, and fits on a 2.75" -3.75" wide rim. This tire would reduces clearances by about 3/8". The 130/90 tire is the tallest and would provide a 4.03% reduction in rpm (4,000 rpm would become 3,845). The 140/80 tire would provide a 3.10% reduction (4.000 rpm would become 3,879.71). |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by LANCER on 09/15/17 at 07:23:14 There's an awful lot of cipherin going on here ! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 09/15/17 at 09:09:01 :) https://tiresize.com/comparison/ Thanks for looking Dave , I'm might replace the factory tire the first mile it hits the wear bars --- ;D --- . The speedometer and the GPS are about 2 or 3 % different , so I suspect the system was set-up for a 130/90 tire anyway . :-? But I will definably go with the 90 series tire . I'd try a 140/90-17 if somebody made one ... ::) ... I wonder if "Coker Tire" out of Chattooga has such ... :-? --------------------------------------------------------------- Yea ... here is a 28" tall tire , not sure it should be run on the rear but ??? https://www.cokertire.com/m-h-radial-front-runner-4-5-28-0r17.html or https://www.cokertire.com/tires/excelsior-stahl-sport-radial.html Nnaaa , The rim ain't wide enough ? 130/90-17 will have to do ... its geared to be doing 120mph at 7000 rpm already ... but correction the speedometer would be good . :) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 09/15/17 at 10:58:19 I can't accept that a Coker tire made for a Model A Ford belongs on the back of your Guzzi. I seriously doubt that it is durable or has cutting edge tread compounds. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Oldfeller on 09/15/17 at 13:05:17 Dave, Remember MM has run darksider tires for a lot more years than I have ---- and he will try one out to see what it does rather than pay twice that for a tire that he knows won't go but one year. BTW, my current darksider rear tire is about half worn out now. Mine is a sports car tire with triple tread (silca rubber) compounding, so I got all the goodies on mine. ;D |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 09/15/17 at 20:42:16 Oh - No Guys I'm going with a 130/90-17 Michelin Pilot http://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tubes/motorcycle-tires/michelin-pilot-activ-motorcycle-tire unless something better gets in the radar :) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 09/21/17 at 08:38:37 Luggage is good if ya go anywhere ! ;) Dry stuff inside the luggage is a good thing too if ya get caught in the rain ! :) Having a dry saddle bag with a rain suit in it can be a very good thing ! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 09/21/17 at 10:56:15 MM: Those look really nice.....looks like plenty of stuff for me to store my gear when we go riding together! I will be mailing you the front caliper for you to try on the Savage. It is a modified Suzuki SV650 caliper. Dave |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 09/21/17 at 13:13:14 MM , How you liking the Guzzi ? |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 09/21/17 at 20:44:50 Ruttly , the Savage is still more comfortable , but the Guzzi is so Smooth and Double the power is nice too. ::) With the gearing on the Savage it does 75 on the Super-Slab just fine and still keeps its speed going uphill , but the Guzzi is only geared for about 120 @ rev-limiter and leaves me looking for High-Gear a lot. They are night and day different , Standard Seating / Cruiser Seating . I like them both ! ;D If I had of gotten the Guzzi V-9 , then the Savage might have something to worry about. The V-9 with the 19" front tire and 16" rear is very reminiscent of the Savage's manners . :) But , its only got a 4.1 gal fuel tank --- the V-7 has 5.55 gal. ;) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 09/22/17 at 21:40:27 The V9 looks nice but I prefer the standard look of the V7 like yours. It has that vintage look that I like. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 09/22/17 at 21:59:30 The 5.55 gal. V-7 , is good . The fuel light comes on when 4 gals are gone (225miles +-) , nice to know there is a solid 75 miles left to find fuel. :) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 11/21/17 at 10:03:09 MM....I am afraid that maybe you bought the wrong Guzzi for riding double. This couple has been on the road for 2.5 years! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wkSePMgR0k [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wkSePMgR0k[/media] |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 11/21/17 at 10:10:40 Complete with a reverse osmosis water purification system that turns urine into drinking water ! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 11/21/17 at 19:59:45 Ruttly That Guzzi is Spoiling me to the other two !!! Its so easy to like : The only thing is that rear tire is not going to last like a Commander II would and Commanders don't come in 130/90-17 ... The V-9 uses a 150/80-16 that Commanders do come in that size . It also has a slightly more Savage type sitting. I might trade , if my local dealer ever gets a Roamer V-9 into stock . Maybe in the spring ??? :-? The HP is not much different and I wouldn't trade if HP was the only issue. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Dave on 11/22/17 at 03:19:20 MM: The Pirelli Sport Demon is known for being a very sticky tire....with pretty short life. It has incredible traction (wet or dry). and a lifespan of 6,000 to 8.000 miles. The Bridgestone Battlax BT45 likely comes in the size you need, and it has a multi-rubber compound on the rear tire where the center is a harder rubber than the edges. It lasts longer than the Sport Demon - but it is still a sport-touring tire with great traction and as a result the life is probably no more than 10,000 miles. The Avon AM26 Roadrider is a good tire - but I have never owned a set yet. A lot of the folks that do the speed record attempts use the Roadrider as they have a V rating on some models. The Michelin Pilot Sport Activ is likely the next tire I will be buying for use on my Cafe' bike. It is claimed to have a long tread life - however I am sure it will not last as long as a Commander.....but it will have more traction. http://i65.tinypic.com/xlk00p.jpg |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 11/22/17 at 16:31:30 I've got almost 3000 miles on the guzzi now . if we go to Daytona bike week , it will be "tire time" soon as I get home. I still like that 5.5 gal. Tank [ch128512]. The standard seating. The extra power, The Sportbike handling. It might be different , after a week long trip ??? Perhaps we should have "Bike Week" thread [ch128528] |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by antmanbee on 11/22/17 at 18:07:20 I run Shinko 712s on both my Guzzis (both Tonti big blocks) A 130/90-17 on the Jackal and a 140/80-17 on the Calvin. I prefer the 130/90 as it steers a tad quicker. I don't ride in the rain unless unintentional and then always take it quit easy, so I can't comment on wet traction. I have been happy with the Shinkos on dry pavement. Just put a set on the s40 2 weekends ago. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 11/23/17 at 19:54:31 Antmanbee What kind of millage are you getting out of the "712's ? :-? I'd really like to know ??? :P |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Oldfeller on 11/23/17 at 22:21:16 Mike, You have got to start to keeping a list of the rides you are seriously proposing and keeping up with who is planning on going. As a recently non-working sort, I have some residual "large medical bills" to plan around -- and a slowly improving medical condition to plan around as well. I will be going on all the rides that I can go on, and this will be a lot of them. In short, I intend to CHEAT outrageously ..... Beware, I am still learning how to control my brand new bladder -- yes it is all bigger and better than it used to be, but now it wants to do the little boy "pee pee when you hear running water" sorts of things that I last did in the pre-kindergarten years. It seems every surgery involves "starting all over fresh" with me ...... ;) Can I beat this with a short catheter and a leg bag that you never see up inside my pants leg? Sure I can, I can turn it into a serious iron butt advantage since with my aux gas tanks and a leg bag set to dribble to the pavement whenever I let go, I can ride and ride and ride and ride (just running last in line, thank you very much). Next advantage is NOT REALLY CARING where we wind up camping, the only time I need a toilet is for the once daily dump which generally takes place after eating a larger meal (at the eating place, generally, or at a gas stop). With a laser focus on what I can do, I intend to do a lot. I am the new Bionic Iron Butt Biker ...... |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 11/24/17 at 07:22:51 Dear OldIronButt (I like that name) ;) You know all we have to do in-order to get rain is to put a solid date on anything. So , did you get your SS started ??? :-? As a recently non-working sort, You've should be entitled too the way I see it ! That would be a Game Changer ... Yes , what if I looked to see if the ABATE group is doing the campground thing near Daytona for 2018 ??? That might be a good place for friends to gather in the early spring ! :) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by antmanbee on 11/24/17 at 08:46:55 I am guessing that I will get about 6K out of the rear on the Jackal by comparing the tread depth of it to the newly installed one on the s40 and factoring in how much mileage I have on it already. I have put 2.5k on the Jackal rear and it measures about 1/3 less than the new tire tread depth. Your lighter Guzzi and also the s40 will probably do better. |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 11/24/17 at 15:48:01 AntManBee I got 22,000 miles out of the last Commander II I almost wore out ... on the Savage and 18,000 miles on a Commander for the Harley . I know Commanders don't come in 130/90-17 , but I was hopeful to get at least 10-12 K miles out of my next Guzzi tire. So the tire hunt continues ... ;) |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 11/24/17 at 18:09:31 Saw a V7 today on the freeway , had a dull blue paint job. It looked brand new. What a good looking bike , I really like their retro/standard look and riding position looked very comfortable! |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by MMRanch on 11/24/17 at 21:37:41 Ruttly Our local : Honda , Indian , Suzuki , Yamaha , Moto Guzzi , dealer has three of them ... Blue , Gold , Green (2017's) V-7 III's for $7,999 minus dealer discount ;) . Also has one 2016 w/<1000 miles on it for $5,999. but this one has wire wheels :( |
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Title: Re: Italian Bikes Post by Ruttly on 11/25/17 at 19:15:44 I'm not much for the dulled paint job a new motorcycle should shine like a new penny. I may have to test ride one some day. |
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