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Title: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/23/17 at 08:20:35 When are we going to learn? After the Charlie Hebdo attacks in France two f'ing yesrs ago, the French President made a big deal about talking tough but did nothing. I didn't figure he would. Now he's gone and replaced by a bigger pu$$y. This is not the first attack in Britain. Wasn't all that long ago an Islamist ran over people in a car. More talk, more cute prayer signs and candlelight vigils but nothing changed. And we have an entire class of snowflakes in this country who can't even agree to a ban on non-citizens from nations with widespread terrorist sympathizers and little to no passport control. They would rather symbolically stand up for their blue liberal team colors than take a common sense approach. Trump needs to get back to being the Trump character millions voted for. He needs to symbolically and perhaps in reality, extend leftist crybabies the Finger. Non US citizens in other countries have no inherent right to enter this country. Time to say no. Time to investigate anyone with expired Visa and kick them out. Time to do something different. That's why we hired you Donald. We didn't hire you to give two $hits what liberals think. We hired you to save us; now do it. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 05/23/17 at 08:29:40 "Snowflakes" are the ones that let terror rule their actions... Righties need to grow a pair, and stop acting in fear. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/23/17 at 08:45:14 Snowflakes , gutless, unwilling to embrace danger for no reason. It's STUPID to import people when we are BROKE. To import people who are not gonna be able to fit into the workforce MEANS We are importing financial burdens. We are importing disease. If you think that's smart, then Explain WHY the problems importing refugees I described won't exist. There's WHY I say don't do it. Your turn. Make your points. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 05/23/17 at 09:12:47 Any action directed at Muslims would be unconstitutional,... are you so afraid that you think we need to amend the Constitution to make you safe?... That's what our orange, snowflake n' chief wants... What''s that quote Righties like so much?... Give up freedom for safety?... I'm callin' BS... :-? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MShipley on 05/23/17 at 09:43:04 This will be just like every other terror attack: Everyone will be amazed.... All the pundits will run to a microphone and say see I CARE... They will all call to protect Muslims from a Rush to Judgment..... No one will do anything because that is politically incorrect.... Someone else will kill people..... Everyone will be amazed.... so on and so on..... What if it was YOUR children? What would you do to protect them? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 05/23/17 at 10:08:20 Like the gambler, the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep..... Bot is right, in the sense we can't really stop sin in this world, even taking safeguards won't stop it. As with all political/social movements, and religious too, they try to captilize in events to promote their own ideas,beliefs, and agendas. Sad, yes, but it's the way the world works. You guys argue over semantics, I will live this day and hope for another one tomorrow, but I won't fret, over it. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/23/17 at 10:08:45 7167706D75606D76020 wrote:
Explain how foreigners from Iran for example fall inder the protection of the US Constitution? Are you subject to the laws of Indonesia? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 05/23/17 at 10:10:05 58467D7C6579706C150 wrote:
That's an easy one..... I would share that dad believes another world awaits, free of the ugliness of this one ;D |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/23/17 at 10:15:50 2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
You liberals like to throw the word "fear" around because you think it's describing an irrational reaction, but it's not. I'll bet the Jews of the late 1930's sure wish a few others had let terror rule their actions.... History is littered with mountains of dead bodies because the civilized world wasn't fearful enough. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/23/17 at 10:18:21 3E2D35282D3B2B4C0 wrote:
So move to a f'ing cave Dawg and chant all day...... Hey, give me your address and let me come pillage your belongings. If you object, I'll just remind you that's the way things are, dont fret over it. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 05/23/17 at 10:32:41 073532232435221D31223B500 wrote:
My god, you are standing history on it's head!... Hitler did to the Jewish people exactly what Trump wants to do to Muslims... Hitler used fearmongering of Jews to get elected and proceeded to persecute them to the point of extinction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11/27/trump-will-do-to-you-muslims-what-hitler-did-to-the-jews-mosques-get-threatening-letters/?utm_term=.e228ba545619 http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Trump-Erases-Jews-From-Holocaust-While-Banning-Muslim-Refugees-20170128-0001.html |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 05/23/17 at 10:44:01 655750414657407F534059320 wrote:
So move to a f'ing cave Dawg and chant all day...... Hey, give me your address and let me come pillage your belongings. If you object, I'll just remind you that's the way things are, dont fret over it. [/quote] And all my belongings have not the capacity to make you reach a sustainable life...... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MShipley on 05/23/17 at 10:48:23 BOT, ARE YOU KIDDING? No one wants to punish innocent Muslims. However there are a few logical things we can do to protect our country and our children. Yet you call us fear mongers as you throw around all this crap that Trump wants to declare Genocide on Muslims.... You sir are the FEAR MONGER in this case. And it is this type of Fear Mongering that has the Left so filled with hate towards anyone that dares say "hey can't we do something to protect ourselves and our children" |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/23/17 at 10:50:47 Oh my God, you are sooooo blind! It's mind boggling! The world sat back and rationalized the growing Nazi movement. It was somebody else's problem. Jews? So what. Poland? So what? Hungary? So what. And to say Trump wants to do to Muslims what Hitler did to Jews is disgusting. Hard to fathom the depths of that statement. Absolutely awful. Hitler divided familes and shot fathers and sons before their wives and mothers eyes. Burned children alive, tortured for amusement. Destroyed homes, cities and nations. Stole generations of families. I think you need to walk your Trump/Hitler statement back, don't you? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 05/23/17 at 11:01:56 Not at all... You need to stop and think... Hitler ran on a nationalist, Aryan, white supremacist, platform... He made the Jews into the enemy. He wanted them identified, surveilled, deported, imprisoned, and eventually slaughtered... Trump has gone so far as the first three,... and faster than Hitler. The main thing is,.. he uses peoples prejudice and fear to gain support. Just ask the Jewish author of "Explaining Hitler: The Search for the Origins of His Evil" Donald Trump using Adolf Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' playbook, says world expert on Nazi leader President's 'views come out of a playbook written in German' says author — 'the playbook is Mein Kampf' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/adolf-hitler-donald-trump-mein-kampf-bluffed-way-to-power-nazi-leader-germany-fuhrer-us-president-a7568506.html Can it not be more clear?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/23/17 at 11:05:50 You're a sick mofo sew, a sick mofo. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 05/23/17 at 11:14:37 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
I guess Mr Rosenbaum is too?... ::) PS.. watch it the personal insults... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/23/17 at 11:23:36 After your comparisons, you are one giant insult......... Seriously, I'm going to hope your comments are hyperbole because no rational or serious person could make that far of a ridicules leap between the two. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/23/17 at 11:23:50 665453424554437C50435A310 wrote:
Sad - groups like isis depend on people like you. Living in fear and ready to ban a religion for fear of it's worst kind. isis loves to show our weaknesses. Hey - so maybe we need to ban Christianity because the KKK are Christians, right? C'mon.... If you honestly think that tweety will do anything but talk, you're dead wrong. His only concern is himself. Mugging for the camera and making statements like "they're losers"... The only action he'll take is the one that the generals will recommend. He's got no idea about what actually needs to happen - he's in way over his head. But you are right.... he IS a character!! |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/23/17 at 11:25:22 7C4E49585F4E59664A59402B0 wrote:
LOL - seriously? Did you forget all the right wingers that made comparisons to Obama and hitler??? Please - Bot's got tweety's number and you can't handle it.... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/23/17 at 11:28:48 7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:
WTF are you smoking? That's too stupid to respond to. You can show me where the constitution, the contract that lays out the powers we have given to the Government and those we've kept for ourselves, show where we are obligated to extend the rights and privileges of CITIZENSHIP to people who are Not Citizens. We shall Import people, show us. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/23/17 at 11:45:37 I noticed no one ever response to that request JOG and I don't imagine we'll see a response now, one that makes any logical sense anyway. Like I said, if a citizen in another country is under our constitution, that certainly works the other way. It's a two way street. Speaking of two way streets, if there are any woman reading these post, Sew wants to take away your right to drive. Oh, cover your face too. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/23/17 at 11:48:55 332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:
Banning someone based solely on their religion violates the spirit of our constitution. How would you feel if we banned all Irish immigration because of what the IRA has done? There is absolutely no difference. No, our Constitution does not cover non-citizens (obviously) - but immigration is what made us who we are today. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/23/17 at 12:09:20 Nice dodge. I gave several simple reasons for Not importing refugees. Without Evergetting to terrorism, there are reasons to not import more people, but it does require common sense to understand, so, I'm probably not gonna get it across to most of you. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MShipley on 05/23/17 at 12:15:43 NOBODY HAS OR HAS ASKED TO BAN ALL MUSLIMS. Why do you people keep perpetuating that lie? Is the only answer from the left, Ohh well, nothing we can do? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/23/17 at 12:20:33 382721263B3C0D3D0D35272B60520 wrote:
I can take it - go ahead and tell us all why we shouldn't allow any refugees in. It's not going to change my (or my Country's) stance on it. We are a country built upon immigration. Sorry to break that to you. We are a beacon to "the huddled masses" and will share what we have with those who wish to contribute to it. Your view of refugees is ignorant. Take a look at all these "terrible" ones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_refugees It's a shame more didn't come to America.... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/23/17 at 12:34:48 5E407B7A637F766A130 wrote:
What lie? You mean to tell us that tweety didn't say “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States." ? To be fair, he did some backpedaling once in office: "I actually don’t think it’s a rollback. In fact, you could say it’s an expansion. I’m looking now at territories. People were so upset when I used the word Muslim. Oh, you can’t use the word Muslim. Remember this. And I’m okay with that, because I’m talking territory instead of Muslim. But just remember this: Our Constitution is great. But it doesn’t necessarily give us the right to commit suicide, okay? Now, we have a religious, you know, everybody wants to be protected. And that’s great. And that’s the wonderful part of our Constitution. I view it differently. Why are we committing suicide? Why are we doing that? But you know what? I live with our Constitution. I love our Constitution. I cherish our Constitution. We’re making it territorial. We have nations and we’ll come out, I’m going to be coming out over the next few weeks with a number of the places." I'm not actually sure what the heck he even said there, but it's less than vague.... It's a joke. It's still not in line with what our Country stands for. The fact of the matter is, the US has pretty substantial vetting processes in place. What we're seeing from the right is fear and outright lies about the refugees coming in. They're not all radical jihadists - most are women and children. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Jarhead-CO on 05/23/17 at 12:41:47 T and T Garage I will refer back to the other post we had about refugees, breaking point I think it was. All of the orders to ban people were from countries not religions, I will concede it stated religious minorities had a first row seat but did not ban any religion. Again our vetting process is a joke and to think it works is plain ignorance. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/23/17 at 13:04:23 16223321212F377C7D440 wrote:
I disagree. The number of refugees already brought into this country pretty much prove that the vetting works. Almost 39K in 2016 (12K from Syria) and we haven't been "over run" with jihadists. Further, refugees make up a small percentage (about one-in-ten) of the roughly 1 million immigrants granted lawful permanent residency in the U.S. each year. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Jarhead-CO on 05/23/17 at 13:39:45 2D333C3D302D362B590 wrote:
I disagree. The number of refugees already brought into this country pretty much prove that the vetting works. Almost 39K in 2016 (12K from Syria) and we haven't been "over run" with jihadists. Further, refugees make up a small percentage (about one-in-ten) of the roughly 1 million immigrants granted lawful permanent residency in the U.S. each year. [/quote] How many of those can you garuntee aren't jihadists? Can you for certain say none of them are spreading jihadist ideals to people in their new community? You can't and if they influence someone else to do actions for them it won't come back on them and keeps the "record' of the vetting clean. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MShipley on 05/23/17 at 13:45:45 So once again I will say "you don't care" " you want to do nothing"...... Maybe if a couple seals or turtles got killed then someone on the left will care. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/23/17 at 13:53:07 112534262628307B7A430 wrote:
You can't legislate or vet or be 100% accurate about any type of criminal - no matter where they are. The point I make is that you can't persecute innocent people because of a few radicals. We have about 3 million Muslims in the US today. The majority of them are harmless, regular people like you and I. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/23/17 at 13:54:56 435D66677E626B770E0 wrote:
How many people in the US have been killed by Muslim terrorists since 9/11/01? Xenophobia is not what the US is all about. Once we become that, then isis wins. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Jarhead-CO on 05/23/17 at 14:11:44 You are right you don't know if murderers came from Ireland but if you start getting people from Honduras (highest homicide rate of any country) you are much more likely to get a murderer. Sure the internet does a great job but having someone there in person to spread the ideals is much more effective. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 05/23/17 at 14:18:19 Maybe if we enforced existing immigration policies in all folk we could help quell some of the uncertainty that spawns fear. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/23/17 at 15:33:50 Really,, America, failing infrastructure, in Yuge Debt, our veterans ignored, and the smart guys want to import people.. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/23/17 at 19:17:14 5C4345425F5869596951434F04360 wrote:
No, that's not what's being said. America shouldn't just shut our borders. Our immigration rates are nowhere near any record levels. They've been nearly constant since 2000. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/23/17 at 19:43:25 Deny reality. Deny truth. They don't care. Use Business sense Study the immigration laws of others We have been committing suicide for decades so, let's continue. Hey! I know! Let's import people who hate us. Let's import people who have no idea how to become a part of the labor force. Let's just run straight down the road to Cloward and Piven |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/24/17 at 04:59:18 Democrats support open boarders for easy votes and cheap labor. Again, our biggest enemy wears blue. Why do we allow either to exist in this country? Blowing up nail bombs standing next to teenage girls....putting a pressure cooker bomb next to a little boy watching a race,...but lets link articles cherry picking the decent ones and pretend we've got nothing to worry about. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 05/24/17 at 05:14:47 Cheap labor knows no party affiliation. America is ripe from captilizing on the sweat of others. It's just not PC to call it slavery anymore..... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/24/17 at 05:27:44 aww....because it's not slavey?!.....Jesus Dawg what's next? You gonna go full on bat$hit crazy and call Trump Hitler too? I caught part of Anchorman 2 last. There's a part of the story where he's blind and, being the idiot he is, (not insinuating anyone on here is ;) ;) ) he's complaining of not being able to do normal things. Like he was brushing his teeth with a lobster....at that point his friend interrupts pointing out blind or not, surely you can tell a lobster from a toothbrush. Burgundy shouts back "because I'm blinddddddd" That's how many of you on here are. You're brushing your teeth with the lobster thinking it's a toothbrush. You're looking directly at Islam being a primary driver of terror and you refuse to see it. You will go down on flames, (hopefully not literally but who knows) blinded. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c5UxApt2I8E |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 05/24/17 at 05:45:17 Web, I understand the demagoguery of the left, elitist, media, academia, etc. I need to look no further than their selective hypocrisy. However, as with Trump, you do not stoop to a 2 year olds mentality to argue with them. I will try and keep my opines and input at what I hope is constructive.... I understand some folks don't respect that, I can't help that, but I won't stoop to their level. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 05/24/17 at 07:01:00 7C6F776A6F79690E0 wrote:
This phrase is so tired,... especially considering the sliver spoon, billionaire, reality show, personality Pub's elected to the WH... Not to mention he's the second Hollywood elitist they've put there... Hypocrite much?... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 05/24/17 at 07:54:25 7660776A72676A71050 wrote:
This phrase is so tired,... especially considering the sliver spoon, billionaire, reality show, personality Pub's elected to the WH... Not to mention he's the second Hollywood elitist they've put there... Hypocrite much?... ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Sorry it gets under your skin, however, that doesn't change the facts. And before you peeyiur panties, the right is guilty of the same bent. This is what I believe folk are sick of, but you can keep your irk if you like, even if it makes you tired ;D |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/24/17 at 10:59:45 What does it say about Hilary and 15 other Republican contenders that they were crushed by a two year old? Maybe he's not.....did that occur to you? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 05/24/17 at 11:33:55 It says more about the electorate... :-? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/24/17 at 11:42:08 586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote:
LOL - um, crushed?? That's rich!! little donny tweety lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million. He only won the electoral vote by 80K.... You may want to use a different word... like eked.... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MShipley on 05/24/17 at 11:53:56 Call it what you will, He won and He is YOUR President. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/24/17 at 11:56:06 574972736A767F631A0 wrote:
True - he did indeed win. But as Americans - we lost. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 05/24/17 at 12:37:14 7D636C6D607D667B090 wrote:
True - he did indeed win. But as Americans - we lost.[/quote] And therein lies your problem...... You assign YOUR opine as gospel and final authority. Many might disagree with you for whatever THEIR reason, but of course you would just say, LOL, LOL...... dismissively. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/24/17 at 12:51:08 5E4D55484D5B4B2C0 wrote:
True - he did indeed win. But as Americans - we lost.[/quote] And therein lies your problem...... You assign YOUR opine as gospel and final authority. Many might disagree with you for whatever THEIR reason, but of course you would just say, LOL, LOL...... dismissively. [/quote] Dude - it's my OPINION. I fully realize that MILLIONS voted for tweety. I PERSONALLY think they're wrong. Gee - I don't think I've ever seen anyone on here call liberals/lefties/progressives morons... have I???? Don't kid yourself - this place was rife with righteous indignation long before I got here!! Many DO disagree with my opinions. However - the FACT is, tweety lost the popular vote. I'm not saying he lost the election - he won. But to think that the "entire country" is behind him is ridiculous! What would you have me say? "Oh - you guys are all correct! I've made a big mistake"...?? LMAO!!!!!!!!! C'mon - keep it real, huh? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/24/17 at 13:04:06 I'm sure Hillary would have been So much better..G aaaggg |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/24/17 at 13:10:19 223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote:
Yeah - she actually would have! THAT in itself speaks to what a sh!tshow we now have in the White House!! |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/24/17 at 13:15:16 Bulletin.. she would have sucked monumentally worse |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/24/17 at 13:29:28 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
Oh yeah.. that's right.... you have a crystal ball... How silly of me. I mean, after all, she's only been secretary of state, a two-term senator and pretty much a political figure since 1977. Just because putin fears her, and our allies seem to get along great with her - yeah, I'm sure she would have been a downright disaster. Not like tweety.... yeah... he's been great!!! <<<<sarcasm |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/24/17 at 13:48:15 I know everything about her history of Service. She's an unindicted felon. Many times over. . |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/24/17 at 13:56:46 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
Um, how many lawsuits has tweety had against him? How many still? Where are his taxes?........ oh, and the word "treason" has indeed come up in the russia hearings... so look out.... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/24/17 at 18:13:50 392F38253D28253E4A0 wrote:
62million say otherwise as well as, I forget the number, 80% of the counties across the country. The vast, vast majority of the landscape disagrees with you. That you have all the inner cities plus the People's Republic of California swinging the majority vote for you isn't anything to crow about. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by pg on 05/24/17 at 19:21:31 5E404F4E435E45582A0 wrote:
How about some indisputable evidence or proof? If they had some they would have filed the articles..... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/24/17 at 19:42:04 The establishment Hates Trump. Hillary IS Establishment. He is attacked by the media, the Alleged Right , and the left. He is being undermined by his own party. He's Not doing what I want, but I don't know Why. Or, maybe you guys don't believe there are powers that can eliminate a president who is too difficult to control. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/25/17 at 06:55:47 4A5D5B5758483A0 wrote:
How about some indisputable evidence or proof? If they had some they would have filed the articles..... Best regards,[/quote] LOL - pretty much everyone (except you) can see - it's coming.... Wait and see. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 05/25/17 at 10:21:24 687679787568736E1C0 wrote:
How about some indisputable evidence or proof? If they had some they would have filed the articles..... Best regards,[/quote] LOL - pretty much everyone (except you) can see - it's coming.... Wait and see. [/quote] LMAO.....it's coming....wait and see..... Trump will resign.... Trump will be impeached.... The sun will come up in the East..... Keep guessing and sooner and later you'll get it right.... Let's place a bet on it... oh wait, you looovveee your country toooo much to gamble on it..........ha ha! You're killing me Smalls! |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 05/25/17 at 10:27:12 546661707766714E627168030 wrote:
Well, I guess we'll just wait and see, won't we? Ask yourself this in the meantime - what if Obama had just ONE of these potential scandals? What would you be saying then? Yeah, the hypocrisy is thick within the neocons.... makes me want to wretch. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/17 at 10:59:08 You can kick me about any way you like, but I am not a neocon. I'm the guy who said trump was acting like one weeks ago. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by oldNslow on 05/30/17 at 20:00:14 And while the partisan bickering goes on and on and on, and everyone's own viewpoint is right and everyone else is an idiot; this. https://borepatch.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-lesson-of-manchester.html Pick the wrong,line,wrong airport, wrong city, and all the bullsh*t is, well, just bullsh*t. Pay attention to the third comment. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/17 at 20:07:21 he written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means." --Thomas Jefferson Posted by ASM826 at 5/29/2017 Many people just want it Their Way, if it means the end of America, they will not see it. Imagine a comedian with a bloody Obama head. Yeah, let's see that get justified. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by pg on 05/31/17 at 18:53:42 Everyone knows one may not own firearms in the UK. However, did you know one can't carry a folding pocket knife that locks? No kidding..... Those poor bastards don't have a chance. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by oldNslow on 05/31/17 at 19:53:01 5A4D4B4748582A0 wrote:
If you happen to be standing next to the guy with the suitcase bomb it probably isn't going to make any difference whether or not your lord and masters allow you to carry a pocketknife or not. England's laws regarding carrying weapons, and their interpretation of the right to self defense are stupid, there isn't any doubt of that, but that's pretty much beside the point at this stage of the game. Not letting the country become infested with potential suitcase bomb guys might help decrease the odds of becoming a bloody sack of homemade shrapnel, at least here in the US. It's probably already too late for England and most of Europe. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 06/01/17 at 04:31:39 The essay below mirrors your comments. Clearly, the civilized western world faces two enemies; liberals and Islamist. Mark Steyn May 30 The groupthink in our public discourse is so pervasive it goes as unnoticed as the air. For example, let's say a bunch of young girls are blown up at a pop concert. You have to say something about it. But what? Sir Richard Leese, Leader of Manchester City Council, on what he called the "incident" (seriously) at Manchester Arena: We will not allow terrorists who seek to sow fear and division to achieve their aims. Likewise, Amber Rudd, the British Home Secretary, had no doubt about the intent of the attack: Its intention was to sow fear - its intention is to divide. Even on the Continent, Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission and would-be scourge of Brexit, was admirably on message: Once again, terrorism has sought to instil fear where there should be joy, to sow division where young people and families should be coming together. The London press weighed in: Those who perpetrated this attack hope to sow division. And the Canadian press: To state the obvious: Terrorist attacks are meant to terrorize and sow division. And the American press: Isis and the other purveyors of terror are gradually succeeding in sowing division... You'd be surprised how easy it is to sow division. But take it from the Scottish press: It's very easy to sow division... Yes, yes, but what do the experts say? Paris (AFP) - By targeting children at a pop concert in Manchester, the Islamic State group aimed to cause maximum outrage and sow divisions by turning people against Muslims, experts say. When death stalks the land, make no mistake: He may look like a grim reaper, but he's really a grim sower. An entire sowing bee of experts has so decreed. Indeed, in their warnings about sowing division, our betters are so non-divided that they give off the faintly creepy whiff of fellows all reading off the same cue card helpfully biked round to them by the Central Commissar ten minutes after the "incident" occurred. You non-experts might think this a fairly crude sleight of hand - that concerns about "division" is a not so subtle way of suggesting that the real problem isn't guys like Salman Abedi waiting with his nail bomb at the exit to the pop concert, but divisive types like you querying whether it's prudent to keep importing more and more Islam into the western world. Well, screw you: if you disagree that the real danger here is the sowing of division, you're just sowing even more division. Pace The Toronto Star, I'm not sure it is "stating the obvious" to say that Monday's attack was meant to "sow division". What's going on in Britain and Europe occurs because division has already been sown. It was sown by a careless political class that insisted there could be no questioning of a reckless demographic experiment. It is being reaped, as the division-sowing pop star Morrissey has divisively noted, by the political class' hapless citizenry. Not so long ago, during the "Troubles", Britons were still permitted to notice "the obvious": There was a "division", fairly profound, between those who favored a United Kingdom and those who favored a united Ireland. Regrettable as it may be, it was openly acknowledged - and, indeed, reconciling the "division" and the contradictions was the heart of the Good Friday Agreement et al. In this century, a 2013 post-Charlie Hebdo poll for the BBC reported that 24 per cent of British Muslims believe that "violence against people who publish images of Mohammed can be justified" (see here - and enjoy the non-divisive BBC headline). A 2006 poll for Channel 4 found that 28 per cent of British Muslims dreamed of the United Kingdom becoming an Islamic state, and 19 per cent "respected" Osama bin Laden. But, unlike the Irish, that division can never be acknowledged. (Speaking of Ireland, 37 per cent of Irish Muslims think the Emerald Isle should be an Islamic state. That's not the answer to the Irish Question Gladstone would have come up with, but it seems as likely as any of the traditional choices.) Manchester's Soldier of Allah lived his entire life on the other side of that unacknowledged division. So too did his family, and large numbers of their social circle (as we'll explore later this week). And so too will thousands and thousands of those arriving at Dover and Gatwick and Manchester today, and tomorrow, and the day after. Britain is "divided", perhaps fatally. It's not so much the comparatively small numbers of suicide bombers, or even the support group of family and friends - the dad who works at the mosque pending his return to the battlefield, the sister who congratulates him on entering Paradise, the sister's schoolmates who drop out to be become brides of Isis, the bomb-maker who lives down the street, the other friends and family who turn a blind eye to it all. Beyond all that is the larger comfort zone of "British" Muslims who support the ultimate goal of Salman Abedi - an Islamic state where once was England - and for the most part live their daily lives as if it's already here. "Britain" has no purchase on them, and its "values" command no allegiance - even though, lest they give offense, non-divisive officials are careful never to spell out precisely what those "values" are". Easier to chant the approved abstractions, and warn against the non-approved ones: Diversity good, division bad. But in Britain and Europe they sowed diversity and reaped division. Tthe ever widening division was sown by Mrs May and M Juncker and Frau Merkel and all the others who insist on importing more Abedis and more of those who turn a blind eye to the Abedis, day by day, year on year. Only when that ends can there be even the possibility of healing the division. Otherwise, on this present course of dishonesty and evasion and the (so far) metaphorical shooting of unwelcome messengers like Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson, there will, one day, be an end of an entirely different kind to all this "division". As I wrote a week ago: In a decade it will be worse, and in two decades worse still, and then in three decades people will barely recall how it used to be, when all that warmth and vibrancy of urban life that Owen Jones hymns in today's Guardian is but a memory, and the music has died away, and Manchester is as dull and listless as today's Alexandria. Some readers queried what exactly I meant by that. I've mentioned Alexandria before - used to be a lively place in Lawrence Durrell's day, full of Brits, Greeks, Jews, gays... All gone. And now Islam is king on a field of corpses, and the place is a crashing bore. But no one in the new Alexandria reads Durrell, and you'd have to be - what? - seventy to have even a dim recollection of the way it was. The point of time is that it passes, and what is gone is lost from memory. Your three-score-and-ten fly by, and everyone younger than you accepts the here-and-now as the way it always was. As Hippocrates wrote, "Vita brevis, ars longa": Life is short, art is long. But, when life changes as fast as Manchester is changing, art and culture change, too. I was struck by this passage from my old colleague Matthew d'Ancona, now apparently writing for GQ: No place better exemplifies that spirit of resilient collective identity than Manchester – the city that has been home to the cussed spirit of Morrissey, the glory of Manchester United and Manchester City, the unmistakable art of LS Lowry, the comedy revolution of the Eighties, and the genius of Alan Turing... It is a moment to cherish what unites us and to present uncompromising strength to those who would sow division... Wasn't there a Manchester band called Sow Division? No matter. None of those names - Morrissey, Lowry, Turing - is "cherished" in the world in which Salman Abedi's parents raised him, and all will be forgotten as Britain's division widens, and the likes of the Abedis multiply. To be sure, there'll still be a Lowry or two hanging in the museum. But eventually they'll destroy the museums, too. I have been reading the French archaeologist Paul Veyne's elegant, bitter monograph on Palmyra: An Irreplaceable Treasure. To Veyne, Palmyra was, with Pompeii and Ephesus, one of the three greatest surviving sites of the ancient world - until Isis smashed it to smithereens, and beheaded its curator, Khaled al-Asaad. Why? What threat could the ruins of Palmyra pose to Islamic hegemony? Professor Veyne: Why, in August 2015, did ISIS need to blow up and destroy that temple of Baalshamin? Because it was a temple where pagans before Islam came to adore mendacious idols? No, it was because that monument was venerated by contemporary Westerners, whose culture includes an educated love for "historical monuments" and a great curiosity for the beliefs of other people and other times. And Islamists want to show that Muslims have a culture that is different from ours, a culture that is unique to them. They blew up that temple in Palmyra and have pillaged several archaeological sites in the Near East to show that they are different from us and that they don't respect what Western culture admires. That is true. But I would go further. As Orwell said, he who controls the past controls the future. Isis and Boko Haram and the Taliban obliterate the past in order to eliminate any possibility of a future other than theirs. They smash all evidence of the pre-Islamic past so that there remains not even the dimmest sense of any alternative to them. That was the project Salman Abedi was embarked on in Manchester last Monday. It must all go: Palmyra, and L S Lowry, and Ariana Grande. And then across a vast wasteland we can finally have a society entirely without "division". |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by oldNslow on 06/01/17 at 05:32:10 "I have been reading the French archaeologist Paul Veyne's elegant, bitter monograph on Palmyra: An Irreplaceable Treasure. To Veyne, Palmyra was, with Pompeii and Ephesus, one of the three greatest surviving sites of the ancient world - until Isis smashed it to smithereens, and beheaded its curator, Khaled al-Asaad. Why? What threat could the ruins of Palmyra pose to Islamic hegemony? Professor Veyne: Why, in August 2015, did ISIS need to blow up and destroy that temple of Baalshamin? Because it was a temple where pagans before Islam came to adore mendacious idols? No, it was because that monument was venerated by contemporary Westerners, whose culture includes an educated love for "historical monuments" and a great curiosity for the beliefs of other people and other times. And Islamists want to show that Muslims have a culture that is different from ours, a culture that is unique to them. They blew up that temple in Palmyra and have pillaged several archaeological sites in the Near East to show that they are different from us and that they don't respect what Western culture admires. That is true. But I would go further. As Orwell said, he who controls the past controls the future. Isis and Boko Haram and the Taliban obliterate the past in order to eliminate any possibility of a future other than theirs. They smash all evidence of the pre-Islamic past so that there remains not even the dimmest sense of any alternative to them. That was the project Salman Abedi was embarked on in Manchester last Monday. It must all go: Palmyra, and L S Lowry, and Ariana Grande. And then across a vast wasteland we can finally have a society entirely without "division". And our feckless "leaders" and apparently a huge portion of the citizenry of of the Western World don't (or refuse to believe) what the Islamists themselves keep telling us. "It's us or them." Because, you know, #Not all muslims are..., #religion of peace...#multiculturism..#we are all brothers... , Bla, Bla, Bla... Idiots. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 06/01/17 at 06:03:17 Good reads..... thanks. I am struck by one thought after reading this, and that is "division" is a CHOICE...... When we let fear into our consciousness, we have chosen. What is the evidence that we have chosen fear? We blame others. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 06/01/17 at 06:32:12 We are being destroyed from within. Liberals are killing us as surely as a slow working cancer. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 06/01/17 at 06:53:28 645651404756417E524158330 wrote:
Though a small gesture in the scope of things, but with that Kathy Griffin bloody head trick, the bigger revelation is that she, as a liberal Hollywood person thought it was ok, or she would have never done such a screwed up thing. I believe this is a telling example if the lefts mind thought. You look at the snuffing of free speak on campus, of ANYONE who has a differ of opine or beliefs, even if they have to become that intolerant person they readily assign to others..... The perfect end justifies the means. The media can still try to enflunce opinions, but their clout is quickly fading and becoming all to obvious. When its news that exposes their weakness or hypocrisy, it's fake, yet their news reporting is anonymous, etc.... I believe we are fast approaching a confrontation, the proverbial deplorable will start to network and forces will fight back. You will soon see lots of rats jumping ship, as they know the day of reckoning is coming..... When TT and the Bots worry over Trumps small fingers, you know the battle closes in...... It's not even about Trump, they don't even see that. Trump could be gone tomorrow, and the mindset of the left will not change one bit. The country is at a crossroad, period. A war will be fought, no turning back now. Folks have said no, the left has said, f u. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/01/17 at 07:34:20 When I start seeing the media warning that the Big Danger is Division, then I know what the policy makers really want. Remember, it's a Gutless Fear, irrational and Wrong to Not DESIRE to import more of the people who have destroyed so much in Europe, but to Not be afraid of Climate Change is lunacy, even though the fearmongers predictions have Not been correct. Gee, I wonder Why I have no respect for the left? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 06/03/17 at 20:15:46 Again...... when are you traitorous liberals going to look at the blood on your hands and admit your role in all this? This is not going away. It's only going to get worse. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/17 at 05:40:55 Until these mythical moderate Muslims turn on the radical Islamist in their midst, this isn't going away. The Boston bombers were children of refugees who lived most of their lives in US. Thanks to traitorous politicians, mostly liberals but not all, we have millions of potential timebombs in our neighborhoods who will also grow up being poisoned not just by radical Islam but by liberal ideology which has an antiAmerican hatred as its foundation. The military and law enforcement can't possibly identify them all but other Muslims can. Muslims have to root them out. Muslims have to turn on them. I keep hearing these terrorist do not represent Islam, well then prove it. I want to read about a Muslim mob burning an extremist mosque to the ground and outing the killers in training. If law enforcement doesn't follow up, I want to see them take matters into their own hands. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/04/17 at 06:06:32 I'm sure all that will happen, probably within days of all the Good cops turning on their Bad cop buddies and Not Insane left slaps some sense into the ones who point and pretend THEY are Critical Thinkers, but continue to only accept what they are Told by some million dollar face.. And they don't have Sense enough to Look at the situation and conclude Assad didn't do it. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/17 at 06:17:10 If we instituted proper immigration controls right this second, we've still got 30 years or more to live with what we've invited in just so Democrats can pick up more votes. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/04/17 at 06:31:04 I don't Think that's the Why, it's less visible than that. Understand what Left Cover and Right Cover are. Certain things are done By one side or the other, because they are expected to do such, but it Actually is being proposed and driven by the unelected policy makers. You're watching our society slowly diluted until the White/Right is taken down, and Cloward and Pivens study on How to Destroy a Society is slowly becoming a reality. This suicidal idea of importing people who are not even slightly American in their ways, despise America because WE caused them to be Refugees AND we are generally Christian, whom they hate, it's not about votes, it's about division and cost and the Need for More Law Enforcement in order to Maintain Order. Wait ten years,, and what I say won't look goofy. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 06/04/17 at 07:05:54 182A2D3C3B2A3D022E3D244F0 wrote:
Web, I hear you, however, to cave to that fear, they win...... I believe this was/is, their end game, to show the capitalist pigs, as hypocrites to their own laws..... That we are liars, mere egotistical SOB's who dictate so much policy around the world, yet exposed, shows that we are nothing but over compensating our collective inferiority complex. American elitism, lets look at its definition: e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism ([ch301]-l[ch275][ch8242]t[ch301]z[ch8242][ch601]m, [ch257]-l[ch275][ch8242]-) n. 1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their superiority, as in intelligence, social standing, or wealth. 2. a. Behavior arising from or indicative of such a belief. b. Control, rule, or domination by the members of an elite. Yes, much of this mindset, and display, can be directly associated to liberalism, which, when viewed with the definition above, is easy to see. That in fact, when you factor in their hold on the media, academia, etc, and how they propagandize, instead of engaging in dialogue and debating opposing views, and beliefs, it becomes pretty apparent to all but its own members of the elite group. However, they didn't event this behavior. It can readily be aligned to just about any power movement throughout history, and most certainly through world religions, even here in the states..... So yes, it is a mitigating circumstance, but by itself, lacks the capacity to "make" others react accordingly, unless that is their motivation to begin with.... Example, all the lefts protest on campuses, cities, etc, re: Trump. All this energy is self consuming, and only serves their agenda, not resolution.... Fact is, I think it only serves to divide further, instead of joining forces with considerate understanding, to agree to disagree, and then work toward compromise. If we forfeit our laws of innocent until proven guilty, due process, all men are created equal, etc.... In dealing with this current threat, then we too, driven by the same fear the Global Warming elites employ, and liberalism in general, and ISIS itself, we lose all the freedoms our founders tried to ensure when drafting how we should govern. Have faith Web, you saw how the folks voted, it has been a constant shift against the demagoguery of indoctrination of liberalism.... The understanding by many, that the message that is promoted by elitist, is being rejected..... So much so they elected a much flawed candidate, as opposed to towing the line under the bill of goods that has been pushed by the left. Don't forfeit our values, to win an argument, battle, or threat, it is not a sustainable path to truth Web...... Lets not become of that what we abhor and find cause to many ills we now experience. Threats will always be in this world, do not succumb to their ways. Freedom, as truth, can never, ever, be wiped away from man's heart, or soul..... Even in death, it travels with him, as a seed that will ALWAYS spring forth from the confines of those who try to bury it..... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by tcreeley on 06/04/17 at 08:42:10 The US has been bombing/regime change for the last 50 years in the mideast. Of course they hate us. We hate them too. The way the US military bombs Iraq and Syria- they destroy all infrastructure, the call in the Iraquis ground forces or the rebels and kurds. When the US is done, there is nothing to return to for the local population. They become refugees. The Syrian army in Syriaand the Iraquis in Mosul try not to destroy infrastructure. They target Isis positions and fight it out street by street. When they are done, the local residents return and rebuild. No refugees. I think that the US wants refugees- to overburden Europe's socialist economies and crash them and make them more like our country. And I think they want refugees in the US to keep wages down. The policy makers, the leaders don't give a darn about working people, they just care about the elite corporate folks. (Outsourcing, NAFTA, TPP showed us that.) |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 06/04/17 at 09:25:21 35223324242D2438410 wrote:
Interesting, but if a King can not leave his castle, hasn't he then chosen a cell, for himself? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/04/17 at 14:55:32 2E39283F3F363F235A0 wrote:
I have no idea what Ray thinks he said, but I can follow this. If not correct, it's not illogical. And, like deciding if Assad did it, following reason, you have a good shot at being right. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 06/04/17 at 16:27:45 Muslim terrorists ain't so scary... Irish Catholics are worse... Thank you, Jesus...:-? Quote:
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/04/17 at 16:33:36 Awww, look! It was WORSE once upon a time... Gee, that proves it's not stupid! |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by raydawg on 06/04/17 at 16:37:25 7B6D7A677F6A677C080 wrote:
And how many die from smoking, in that same time frame, sport? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by pg on 06/04/17 at 17:55:17 How about the daily jihad report? https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30 Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by tcreeley on 06/05/17 at 12:32:52 False flag? Theresa May afraid that she won't get elected- had to kick one off for her team? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MnSpring on 06/05/17 at 13:43:19 506265747362754A66756C070 wrote:
That is EXACTLY Right. In Many, large Metro areas, their are, NUMEROUS, ‘Gang’, shootings/killings. And those ’shooting’ only make the Nat. news, when some Innocent is sitting at the table doing their homework, and Killed, by a stray, “GANG”, bullet. Of course the Police do their best, and the local politicians, stand on the street in front of the camera and say: “Anyone who has information on this, please come forward”. (And no one ever does) Now, the people that live, in those densely packed, segregated areas, KNOW, the abc gang, was shooting at the xyz gang. They KNOW, who the, ‘Gang Members’, are. They KNOW, who fired the shots, that KILLED a Innocent, doing homework at the kitchen table. THEY KNOW !!!!! But they will Not say a word, Because, they have been TOLD TO, keep their mouth shut. They will NOT lift a hand, to help, Rid their community/area/neighborhood, of the, ‘Gangs’. NOT Lift ONE FINGER. Yet, every week, they will stand in front of the cameras, and CRY, and lament, ’something must be done’. Yet, They, the ones that live their, the ones that KNOW, they, the affected ones, are doing, NOTHING. The only way, to fix that, (as I see it), is to start a, ‘campaign’, of; ‘Don’t Respond’ Now, the start of that, will gather ALL, the self righteous, talking heads, all the areas Politicians, the J. Jacksons, & Sharpton like, and area, ‘leaders’, which will ALL be on the news, 24/7, saying, ‘You Don’t Care’. Then the, (Police/Responders/Etc) will say: “Yes WE do care, but YOU Don’t, it is PROVEN in the last Decade, of NO, Help/Information from YOU, about the identification of the people, that are causing YOU Harm. So, YOU, take care of the problem, YOURSELVES”. Next step, Dead, “Gang Banger”, Bodies on the street. Their, ‘family’ will pick them up. Innocent person shot, their family, will rush them to a hospital. Then, Finally, the People In That Area, will grow a pair, and take care, of the Problem, THEMSELVES. THEN, things can go back to normal. How Long will it take? Most likely will depend on how many, ‘ Innocents’, are shot/killed. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/17 at 13:48:58 Well, if ANYTHING has been proven it's that proving things to lefties won't change the way they operate. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by verslagen1 on 06/05/17 at 15:16:25 61427F5C5E45424B2C0 wrote:
Won't work, 1st in your analogy you have gang bangers roaming the streets doing whatever. They get outta territory to make a hit... wrong house/right house... don't matter, someones dead. Or they're spotted and ambushed by the rival gang. Much different then an open society were everyone has permission to go where ever they please. delivery man comes up to deliver a package, instead he stabs you to death. Unless you got it on camera and your friends can chase him down and return his kindness upon him... whatcha gonna do? Meet every stranger as a polite society should? |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by pg on 06/05/17 at 15:55:40 http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/05/congressman-says-every-single-radicalized-islamic-suspect-should-be-killed/ Republican Louisiana Rep. Clay Higgins wrote on his Facebook page Sunday that “every single Islamic suspect” should be hunted down and killed. http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Screen-Shot-2016-02-19-at-11.47.37-AM-e1455900969559-620x266.jpg Don't worry, just don't go to Louisiana and you will be alright. If ya do the jambalaya is fantastic. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 06/05/17 at 16:27:40 Ariana Grande and her friends just did a good thing for the people of Manchester... Nice to have some good news... http://https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/nintchdbpict0003291948921.jpg?strip=all&w=641&quality=100 |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/17 at 16:46:11 So much better,, it's almost as if it never even happened. What better way to fix stupid? Invite killers into your house and pretend to be shocked when they kill people. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 06/05/17 at 16:59:51 I've got no problem with her concerts but all the talk this proves the terrorist won't win is a joke. They did their concert basically inside steel barricades and unbelievably heightened security. Doesn't that mean they already "won?" |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/17 at 17:03:41 Kid walks outside carrying his baseball bat, dressed for football, hollering I'm not afraid of you Billy.. Yeah, if the bully isn't declared the winner outright, he's sure as Hayull scored some points. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MnSpring on 06/05/17 at 18:41:33 756671706F6264666D32030 wrote:
I Disagree. If were sitting on the back porch, could have a good discussion, because, even if we ‘disagree’, I believe we would allow each other to make points, and, I believe, we could each move closer to agreeing. Yes, gang in ‘B’ in, (Their home turf), is spotted by, gang ‘C’, cursing through, ‘B,s’ Turf. They start shooting, (No one really cares, it just cleans up the gene pool) BUT, a little girl doing her homework, gets Killed.’ Media, talking heads, Politicians, ‘experts’ etc, etc, etc, descend. Do all the people, living in that neighborhood, Know, the people in, ‘gang C’, ? Did they see, ‘gang C’, drive through ? (Maybe not one time, but out of 100’s ?) Do they say anything ? And Yes, the UPS guy, delivering a package, ‘could be’ a member of gang B or C, and Stab me. But I don’t Live in that neighborhood. The area I live in, gang B or C, would not even Dream about going into. (Not Just me), but EVERYBODY, in ’this’, neighborhood. It’s called, ‘Observation’, A example, last summer, a car came down the drive, very slowly. (Gravel Drive so attuned to it.) It was a rusted , Chrysler, mini van, had a Magnet sign on the door, which was good, but still see it was hand lettered: ‘Vacuum Cleaners For Sale” 2 got out, “This is yous house?” No I said, this is my office, my house is far away. (Actually about 300 yards in the woods) “Well where is yous house, we speak to da misses” Noticing the, ’Thrift’ store clothing, and the VERY SKINNY Ties, (When did that they out of fashion ?) I asked: “Why do you want to know” They said, “We go in yous house, and damastrate the vacuum we are selling” At that point, I stepped closer, and in a calm voice said: ‘We don’t want a new vacuum, we have one, so don’t come down this private drive again” They, Hoped in to the rusted out car, and said: “F… You, we will go where we want” 2 weeks later, a car went off the road, (I live on a nasty corner) No one was hurt, but the Police were their. I walked to the end of the drive, saw one I knew and started talking as the tow truck was pulling the car out of the ditch. Told him about the two people., He said:, “Yea Yotta of reports describing the SAME people, and in the towns, (One is 3 miles one is 4 miles away) their have been a Lot of Robberies reported". Guess, some, were paying attention, some were not ! But when gang, B or C, shoots up, the other’s neighborhood, NO ONE KNOW Who They Are ??????? After a Decade +, of that happening each week, NO ONE SAW Anything? It is time, for those 90% (+/-) % of people, living in that/those, neighborhoods, to Stand UP, and say: “Enough of the P.C., Liberal, Progressives, WE, will clean up, OUR, neighborhood” |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 06/05/17 at 18:46:04 So sad, yet funny to see all the cons living in terror. They just want/need someone to blame.... How typical. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by oldNslow on 06/05/17 at 18:52:00 Miss Grande appears to be a nice young lady, and her concert was a nice gesture that undoubtedly made a lot of people feel better. Unfortunately "feeling better" isn't what is needed. Muslim extremists have declared war on Western civilization and they will not be defeated or deterred by symbolism or "understanding" and "tolerance". What's more, they have now developed one of the most important assets that a grass roots, guerilla insurgency needs to be ultimately victorious, a supportive cohesive community from which they can operate, and which provides a safe place for them to hide and plan their attacks. That community now exists in London, in Manchester,in Paris and it other large European cities which harbor large, and growing Islamic ghettos. That community and support infrastructure is the so called "moderate" Muslims who, while they won't yet participate in these acts, tacitly approve of them. Otherwise why would they allow the vermin to flourish in their midst ? Importing more immigrants, or more refugees from Muslim countries isn't even the issue any more either. These places are now quite capable of producing their own home grown extremist murderers from their own naturalised citizens, on their own soil. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MnSpring on 06/05/17 at 19:13:04 3B252A2B263B203D4F0 wrote:
No Crumbs to throw over the Bridge today. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by Serowbot on 06/05/17 at 21:41:03 So far, I believe it is 100%, or nearly so,... these people are "radicalised" , not radicals... That means,.. they are not imported terrorists,... but people turned to terrorism... Not radical terrorists,.. but citizens turned to terror... You won't win them with more intolerance... restrictions... bans... They are already here... Our actions feed the narrative that fuels there conversion... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/17 at 08:44:45 And why does a father kill his daughter? Or any other honor killing? Date the wrong guy, Talk about the bible, question the Quran. By our standards, they're all radical. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/17 at 08:47:51 6E7D6A6B74797F7D7629180 wrote:
Who's this "our" you speak of? http://jezebel.com/trial-begins-for-the-word-of-faith-fellowship-which-al-1795760025 |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MnSpring on 06/06/17 at 09:04:12 5543544951444952260 wrote:
First is the: “100%, or nearly so”. Statement that the radicals/terrorists, are Citizens of the USA. I don’t believe it is true. One will have to find all the Stats, to determine this. One thing, the stats will skew, is all the, ’refugees’, that were, BROUGHT, to Minn, With OUT, Vetting. Those parents, (most never became Citizens), had children, and the children are Citizens. But what influence, happened in their up bringing, that a Very High %, wanted to JOIN ISIS ??? They were brought up, in the exact same Environment, as ALL the other kids around them. (In fact, they on average, got more, because the Churches, and the people that brought them here, gave them ‘extra’ things, above what the Government gave them) So again, why such a HIGH %, turn to ISIS, vs, ALL others around them? Was it influence, by their Parents? Was it influence, by a Cleric, in a Mosque? Was it a influence, by a social media, in connection with a ISIS group? It sure the hell was not: ice-cream, dances, movies, cars, girls/boys, beer, skiing, fishing, skiing, soccer, football, baseball, and On and ON. ALL, the things, that, ALL, grew up, discovering/experimenting with. Exactly, what, was in the influence, that turned the Very HIGH % of the, ‘refugees children’, to love ISIS ??? Now this statement: “You won’t win them with more intolerance..” So, how, in your thoughts, do you do it? How do you ’teach’, the refugees, that in, ’this’, Country. Beheading, Blowing up, Stoning, Cutting Off Clits, Killing people, because they don’t believe what you believe, etc. Is NOT, accepted behavior? How do you propose to, ’Teach’, that, ‘sharia law’, is Null and Void in this Nation? It is apparent, that growing up from a baby, in this Country, and having, being exposed, to everything that, Everyone else was. Does not work. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by pg on 06/06/17 at 10:38:33 7E606F6E637E65780A0 wrote:
Tell it to them..... http://https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/03/22/world/europe/23LONDON-SS-slide-XIBS/23LONDON-SS-slide-XIBS-superJumbo.jpg http://https://i0.wp.com/www.heraldlive.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2017-03-22T154812Z_1201387917_LR1ED3M17W0TY_RTRMADP_3_BRITAIN-SECURITY-22-03-2017-17-03-24-223-.jpg?resize=630%2C400 http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oo8FcsBdSpfc246GYaXKg2nM0EbqLuvV91RI4eX74tTz9cuaxp03NiNNEipbUgyviq4dRlSqrr-0ZA_RJM8trlDvF3Qck-a9=s750 Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/17 at 10:57:02 I still don't understand WHY being concerned about having people in our country who have PROVEN they will kill people is stupid, but living in fear of the climate changing and causing extreme changes in our lives after TWENTY Years of warnings that haven't come true is smart. I can point to DEAD PEOPLE created by the people YOU WANT IMPORTED. And you can say with a straight face that I'm irrational, while You're pointing at manufactured crap about the horrors of the future that will certainly Be if we don't pay taxes on using electricity.. And you will not change. So, that's why I'm done being what you demand. If I offend, tuffshit. You DON'T LOOK for the moments when you were wrong so you can think it over and CHANGE your way of looking at things in Order to NOT BE WRONG TOMORROW. Getting older is Part of growing up and part of becoming wiser, but it is obvious that Just because you have gotten older there is no guarantee that you've gotten wiser. Some of you have been actively avoiding that. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by pg on 06/06/17 at 11:33:47 3A2D2B2728384A0 wrote:
Tell it to them..... [/quote] Are ya short on words? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/17 at 11:36:33 3A2D2B2728384A0 wrote:
Tell it to them..... [/quote] Are ya short on words? Best regards, [/quote] Not at all. It's pretty obvious that the cons just need to blame someone and point fingers at rather than fight the actual problem. It's terrorism, nothing more. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by oldNslow on 06/06/17 at 12:02:53 Quote:
There is no such thing as "terrorism, nothing more" Terrorist acts do not happen in a vacuum, in isolation. They are all driven by an ideology of some sort. political, religious, whatever. The acts under discussion here are driven by fanatical Islamic fundamentalism. Asserting anything else is simply nonsense.. Terrorism, if successful, evolves. From individual acts with limited casualties, to guerilla warfare, and eventually to conventional warfare. In case you haven't been paying attention, ISIS, in Syria and Iraq is an ARMY with all the trappings that go with such. That's what these "lone wolves" and "self radicalised" as*holes aspire to. They've got a way to go, but they are going to get harder, not easier, to stop as time goes on and the appeasement and stupidity among the political classes continue. https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2017/06/04/the-niceties-lose-to-the-necessities/ "Yet we brought it on ourselves. An unsustainable program of political correctness killed the very thing it swore to protect." |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MShipley on 06/06/17 at 12:09:18 It is really interesting that the Dems and many on this post complain about and stop anything that others want to do and try to protect the innocent while they themselves offer nothing. If you have not noticed REAL people are being killed everyday. If you care more that someone may be inconvenienced or have their feelings hurt than you care for women and children being butchered and killed then I say you are as guilty as the terrorist. Is that all the left has for an answer: " OHH well just have to live with it." That is exactly the attitude people had when Hitler was rising. I do not live in fear of these people or anyone else, however, I will not take the position that nothing can be done while innocent people are dying. Sorry 99% of people in this world are NOT good. If you think they are you live in a fantasy. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by batman on 06/06/17 at 12:22:12 I believe that 99% of people are good,but that means 74 million that aren't! |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by pg on 06/06/17 at 12:43:14 I think the 99% is a bit optimistic..... ::) This is guy is certainly one of them. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/06/fing-millwall-defiant-football-fan-shouted-terrorists-tried/ They chanted "Islam, Islam" and "This is for Allah". In return, Mr Larner shouted: "I'm f---ing Millwall!!" He was knifed eight times before the jihadis left the Black & Blue restaurant and bar. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/17 at 12:43:30 506E6F63716D6C020 wrote:
OK then - outlaw ALL religions. Because every single one has a radicalized sect that uses terrorism. Sorry, Christians are not exempt. See how stupid that sounds? Terrorism is just terror. It knows no religion. It knows no ethnicity. It perverts and distorts what it's next to. For every line of intolerance you show me in the Quran, I can show you the same in the Old Testament or the Talmud or ANY religious text. Stop hiding behind fear of "others" and embrace our differences. If people like you don't, then we're doomed to repeat history. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by oldNslow on 06/06/17 at 13:06:41 Quote:
It is Islam that has as a core part of it's ideology a refusal to " embrace differences". But of course pointing that out makes me a bigot. Sorry TT, you simply haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/17 at 13:23:10 556B6A66746869070 wrote:
Let me clarify - terrorism is NOT the base of Islam. It's used as a shield by the cowards that perform these acts, nothing more. The same can be said about right wing extremists. They don't represent all republicans, do they? No, they don't. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/17 at 14:00:24 In case you people don't know it, there ARE people whose ideology is one of Absolute Possession. You can get all kumbaya and embrace THEM all you want. They still hate you and want you dead. Like lefties, regardless of the information or situation , they STILL want to Convert or Kill everyone. Infidels are to be Killed. And after literally Showing them our THROATS, why wouldn't they believe that such fools deserve no mercy? Your mamby pamby soft warm and fuzzy PC won't stop anything. But you're so brainwashed you can't see. Good grief.. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/17 at 15:18:44 36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:
Just click here and see a "real Christian" then......right? http://jezebel.com/trial-begins-for-the-word-of-faith-fellowship-which-al-1795760025 |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/17 at 16:22:58 Never said counterfeit Christians don't exist. When it all starts,which one of you will make a sign and stand downtown with I'm one of the IDIOTIC BRAINWASHED Lefties Who supported importing the animals who killed your _____________.... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 06/06/17 at 19:53:28 4E5157504D4A7B4B7B43515D16240 wrote:
Not to worry - I'm happy and confident in all my choices. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 06/07/17 at 05:04:41 So the Mayor of London doesn't want Trump to visit but has no problem opening his doors to terrorist...... Innocent Londoners don't deserve this POS. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by WebsterMark on 06/07/17 at 05:10:14 If Trump wants to visit London, maybe all he needs to do is change his name to Youssef Trumpistan, bow 3 or 4 times a day, and bingo, he's welcomed with open arms. "Theresa May has launched a review into the London Bridge attack as the third terrorist was named as an Italian-Moroccan man who was arrested last year attempting to get into Syria. Youssef Zaghba, 22, was able to enter the UK despite being Italian authorities putting him on a watch list and flagging his presence to British and Moroccan counterparts, according to reports from Italy. It puts further pressure on the British security authorities, who have been accused of letting another of the three attackers, the British-Pakistani Khuram Butt, “slip through the net”." |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 06/07/17 at 05:46:41 132126373021360925362F440 wrote:
Yep - you're right, tweety is a POS. |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/17 at 06:22:08 Obama was a total POS, but because he stood up straight and didn't fart in the microphone everyone thought he was a good representative of America. Trump Tweets, FFS, Ohhh, the horror! Trump isn't completely ate UP with the PC bullshit, Ohhh, the horror! |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by T And T Garage on 06/07/17 at 08:09:47 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
That's like, your opinion man..... Do yourself a favor - go look at the archives of any news source back in June of 2009. Go look at what a "POS" Obama was.... Compare that with what a joke we have in the White house Today. tweety's approval ratings are the lowest in history for a president in his first 6 months!! But yeah, everybody's lying about everything, huh? Covfefe...... |
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Title: Re: Manchester Post by MnSpring on 06/07/17 at 09:34:45 7A646B6A677A617C0E0 wrote:
Ya know, you posting the same post, which is about ONE instance, by ONE, media course, in more than ONE topic. Is getting tiring. Yea, you are right, their are, other faiths, which, within, ’their faith’, have their own rules. How they deal with them, within members of that faith, is, THEIR choice. Gee, Sunday Afternoon, 4 nicely dressed people come down my drive, and talk to me how I should Join their religion, and I say: ’No Thanks’. They Drive Away, they DO NOT KILL ME ! Gee, a child is sick, and the parents believe, because of the religion they are in, a Payer, not a Pill, will fix them. But if they, leave, that religion, and seek a Doctor, Do Elders of that religion come after them, and KILL THEM? Some, ‘church’, called ‘Word of Faith Fellowship’, don’t even know what part, or fragmentation of a known religion it is, (AND IT DOESN'T MATTER), is now in court. (If you don’t know it by now, both sides have different accounts of what happened, AND, BOTH, sides are LYING). It is up to the Judge and Jury, to decide, WHO, is Lying the Least !!!!!! But, do those church members, go to a Rainbow Parade, and start STABBING people, because they don’t believe the same thing they do? (Or maybe, just grab them, and throw them off the nearest Roof) Gee, a Man and a woman, get married, then one or both decide it is not a good thing, they get Divorced. It is not just, a Man, who want’s a, ’new’, wife, who STONES her to DEATH, Because it is a, ‘honer’ killing. (When she just gained some weight) Their are lots of, ’one off’, incidents, by a, religion, or, individuals, in where some, ‘wrong’, has happened. Yet is is WITHIN, that, ‘Group’ of people, you have a choice to be in. A Islmac Terrorist, targets any and everybody. Gee, go do, YOUR, Homework, and Discover, how many people are affected by some zealot, in a tiny group of people, (and ONLY in THAT group of people), and how many, and WHO, the, Islmac Terrorist, affects ! A Person, who comes to this country, LEGAL, and wants to be a Citizen. And they come from a Country, that KILLING, for Petty Reasons, is NORMAL. If they don’t understand, or learn, that, having a Photo ID, of, ’Someone’ that has a full face covered, and then proving to someone else, who you are, by showing, a photo ID, of, ’someone’, with a full face covering. Is wrong. That KILLING someone that does not believe in, YOUR, religion, is Not Tolerated. (Etc, etc, etc,) Should they be, 'Taught', ???????? (They are NOT) Yet, because, the religion says, to wear something on your head, or a flowing dress. Who Cares. A, Muslim is a Neighbor, they come to your BBQ, you have tofu burgers and pop, and Pork Chops and Beer. They eat only Tofu. But when They tell you, YOU, cannot have Pork or Beer, Got a problem. Maybe, they will try, a piece of the Pork Chop, and a Sip of Beer? Maybe, they will like one or the other? Maybe, they will try some slacks, or dresses, with a blouse. Maybe, they will try a brightly collared scarf. (or no scarf) Because, Maybe, just, Maybe, they will discover, YOU, are not going to KILL Them. But Until they COME here, KNOWING the Rules, That THIS Nation, is NOT like the Nation they came from. And NOT, coming here, to, MAKE YOU OBEY, Their Rules. That is, WHO, 15% (+/-) %, or Refugees are. (If you are from Minn, it is a Hellova LOT More) That is who, 60%, (+/-) of IL-Leagal Aliens, SNEAKING into the Country are. The LEGAL, Immigrants, who Want to become Citizens. Are Quite a different matter. Haggis; Sorta popular food in some parts of the UK. (Like Lutefisk is in the upper MW). I eat Haggis, I don’t eat Lutefisk. People that don’t like, Haggis are, NOT KILLED, by people that like Lutefisk (and visa/versa) And before you get you underwear in a bunch, during the mass immigration, a century + ago (LEGAL Imgrants) Can you point to ANY, German, who said: “You MUST Join, ‘Lutherans’, or I will KILL YOU” Or and Irish who said: “You Must be Catholic, or I will KILL you” (On and On and On) ( Had a real nice Breakfast this morning, didn’t finish all my toast, so just tossed it over the bridge on my way home) |
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