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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/17 at 05:05:40

Title: Read it all
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/17 at 05:05:40

http://www.rense.com/general96/guncontrolfx.htm

The reason it's important to read it all is because the comparisons that would lead to the reasonable perspective are toward the end.

Title: Re: Read it all
Post by Trippah on 03/22/17 at 07:28:22

Most people, I think, have no problem with firearms and the personal ownership of them. It is the type of firearm. No one needs a fully auto M-16 or AK-47 to go hunting. I wouldn't go hunting with a pistol either.
It is the multi round pistol and "weapon" variety of firearm, which are on God's green earth to help us kill each other; all too easily accessible to whacko teenagers and young hodlums in training - these are what gun control advocates dislike.

I remember the Governor of NH in the 50's-60's (?)was a live free or die type who railed against Massachusetts Auto inspections. When his grandchild fell though the rusted out floorpan of a car he suddenly changed his tune. If your grandson or daughter was at the elementary school in CT, you would be against many variant of guns also.

While he ruled out suicide numbers, I think many who take their own life by gun might not if guns weren't available. Who knows, can't ask them can we

Title: Re: Read it all
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/17 at 08:44:56

It's a Bill of Rights.
Not subject to a nanny committee.
Not based on someone else's idea of
What I NEED.
It's not about hunting.

Title: Re: Read it all
Post by verslagen1 on 03/22/17 at 09:37:03

His discounting of "law enforcement" as not a component of gun violence does not have merit. Whether it's the criminal or the LEO who brings the gun into action, it's gun violence. But those that bring a knife to a gun fight is suicide... they need to re-categorize those.

SO, 5100 becomes 9600. Not that it matters, the other numbers are simply overwhelming.

Title: Re: Read it all
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/17 at 09:43:24

With a bit of reasonable perspective, the whole foundation for the
Eaux MuGawd, we should just ban Gunz!
fades into the shadows.

Title: Re: Read it all
Post by Paraquat on 03/22/17 at 11:21:02

47617A6363727B130 wrote:

I used to tell people there were less than 250,000 fully automatic weapons in the United States₁. It appears that number did not include dealer samples₂. I doubt they are being used for hunting. However, there have only ever been two homicides with a fully automatic machine gun₃

All this aside, civilian ownership of machine guns has been restricted since 1986. The civilian version of the m16, the infamous AR15 is America's most popular rifle₄. Recently the BATFE declared the AR15 and AK47's are hunting rifles₅.

I agree that accessibility is an issue, but how do you limit accessibility without hindering rightful ownership? What methods are in place to ensure compliance? I don't pretend to have the solution, but I know that people killed each other before firearms, and they'll do so long afterwards.

--Steve

1) In 1995 there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the ATF. (Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime [PDF].) About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police departments and other governmental agencies (Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.) http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

2) 2016 information
Pre 86 (transferables): 175,977
Sales Samples (pre May keepers): 17,020
Restricted 922(o) (posties): 297,667
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/03/daniel-zimmerman/atf-reveals-the-number-of-registered-machine-guns/

3) Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons. One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

4) ...AR-15s are America’s Most Popular Rifles. https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/1/why-the-ar15-is-americas-most-popular-rifle/

5) Since the sunset of the Assault Weapons ban in 2004, the use of AR-15s, AK-style, and similar rifles now commonly referred to as “modern sporting rifles” has increased exponentially in sport shooting. These firearm types are now standard for hunting activities. ATF could re-examine its almost 20-yearold study to bring it up to date with the sport shooting landscape of today, which is vastly different than what it was years ago. Action shooting sports and organizations such as 3 Gun and the United States Practical Shooting Association (USPSA) have also drastically expanded in recent years. Restriction on imports serves questionable public safety interests, as these rifles are already generally legally available for manufacture and ownership in the United States. Low cost foreign made firearms are also still imported and converted into “non-sporting” configurations.

http://www.thedailyliberator.com/atf-declares-ar-15-ak-style-rifles-standard-hunting-activities/

Title: Re: Read it all
Post by MnSpring on 03/23/17 at 14:24:35

1C3A2138382920480 wrote:

Thought about this for a day. All sorts of facts on firearms, to say the opposite of what has been said, and listing models, and what they do, and what they are for, Instead of the PURPOSEFUL, LYING, by the Press and the Anti Gunners. But the anti gunner, refuses to hear the truth anyway. And only counter with ‘spin’, Made up facts, , from Made up stats, from comparing apples and oranges.

So decided on a different approach, how would you respond to these people?

Someone, does NOT, like Motorcycles. Not at all !!!!!!!
”MC’s are all Bad. We don’t need them. They all Make to much Noise.
The people that drive them, are all Criminals. The are Death Machines.
The Drivers think they can go just anywhere on the road,
Like when traffic is stopped, they drive between the cars.
THEY stop, then simply drive through Red Lights, (I’ve Seen Them!)
They Cause Accidents. They make themselves, Purposefully Hard to See.
They don’t pay their fair share on Road Tax like I have to do in my car.
They lie about having Insurance, when they don’t have any.
The Pollute the Air I Breath. They Clog the Streets.
They are Rude, They tailgate, give me the finger, Pass me then slow down.
(On and ON and ON)

Now someone, who, is, ‘moderate’, on MC’s.
“Well, certainly you can have a MC. In fact I have one.
But their need to be Rules, because they are Very Un Safe machines.
We have to Protect the Public, from MC’s.
They cause, and have, More accidents than cars/trucks.
The ‘qualification’ for being to drive one, needs to be much more than it is now.
Their is NO Need to have a 1,000 pound, 1,500 CC, 4 cylinder, Motorcycle.
The is no reason to have, what is termed a, “Crash Rocket”.
The, ‘Crash Rocket’, type MC, is very dangerous, and a threat to everyone else, on and off the road.
People driving a, ‘Crash Rocket’, are often rude, and self centered.
Driving to fast, and having a full face helmut on, so no one can see then, when they break the Law, so they can be brought to justus..
Some places, MC, can drive between cars, this practice must stop, because it is far to dangerous.
Only, special, people should be granted that privilege,
and only if they are in a profession, that makes driving like that warranted.
(On and ON, and On)

NOW, defend, YOUR, Position, on driving/owning, a MC !
(Do ya come up with a lot of, ‘half’, truths?
Things that need a explanation, not a, ’Sound Bit’ ?
Things that Just are NOT true ?)

And a note for the, ‘Underwear in a Bunch’, crowd.
Firearms, were NOT, invented for, offense/defense.

(Just like MC’s, were Not invented for Offense/Defense.
Have they been used for Both ? Oh Yea)

Firearms were first used by the, Nobles, that could afford them,
for Sport & Hunting.
And used for, DEFENSE, against, things that could hurt them.
(4 leg Mammals & Reptiles)
And only much later, (A VERY Small Amount), used as, weapons.

Last year in the USA, + Make, + Import, - export = 10 MILLION
The armed forces of the USA are about 1.5 Mil & 800 Thou, reserved,
(Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard.)

Gee, JUST in ONE Year, in JUST, this Country,
77% of Firearms, were made for CIVILIANS.

If you go back to 1776, their have been about 40-50 MILLION, people that have served.
If you went back just 10 Years, over 100 Million, firearms produced and sold in this Country..
(Don’t have enough paper to go back, 240 Years)

So, for the exercise today.
Defend the Position of, ‘WHY”, you should have, be allowed to have, a MC.
When Someone else, says, you should NOT !