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Title: Well presented........ Post by raydawg on 11/12/16 at 11:25:14 Lot to ponder, and I still think explains why Obama is not as popular as http://www.hoover.org/research/why-trump-won |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by MnSpring on 11/12/16 at 15:59:30 “…Trump’s cunning and energy, and his unique appeal to the disaffected white working class, did not destroy the Republican down ballot, but more likely saved it. …” This, (From your link). ‘Could Be’. Don’t know yet. Will find out. But More and More, I Believe it, (and see), ‘Could Be’. Heck, this country gave 8 YEARS, (2,920 Days), to Bama.? And cannot give, 100 DAYS, (After Jan 20th), to Trump ???? Seems I remember, that the, DEEP, Criticism, of Bama, came AFTER, 100 days, and Everyone, SAW, what he, did NOT DO ! And what he was NOT GOING TO DO. And the Freedoms he was GOING to Take AWAY ! |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by LostArtist on 11/12/16 at 16:16:47 5D4E564B4E58482F0 wrote:
I haven't read the link, this is just a factual rebuttal of your comment Obama got 65,915,795 votes, and 332 Electoral votes Trump got 60,273,030 votes and 306 (if you include Michigan) Electoral votes Clinton got 60,861,761 Trump is far less popular than Either Clinton or Obama heck even ROMNEY at 60,933,504 got more votes than Trump again, NO MANDATE |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by LostArtist on 11/12/16 at 16:27:50 54774A696B70777E190 wrote:
well, unsurprisingly, YOU ARE WRONG. the republican leadership met the night of Obama's inauguration on how to plot against Obama, and Rush Limbaugh proclaimed that he wanted Obama to fail on Jan. 16, 4 days before Obama's inauguration, not to mention the more extreme conservative media opinion shows, who NEVER gave any support to Obama now compare that to the democratic leadership and the "liberal" media, saying that they will work with Trump where they can, on you know, like infrastructure, that Obama was trying to get done also, but the republicans wouldn't work with Obama on ANYTHING. rose colored glasses |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by MnSpring on 11/12/16 at 16:29:06 02213D3A0F3C3A273D3A4E0 wrote:
Lost, when you say, "No Mandate", Please, Explain? I see, as a, 'Mandate', what the POTUS Elect, had, 'SAID", he will do. Do you expect him to do all that, even, BEFORE, 100 Days After Jan 20th ? |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by MnSpring on 11/12/16 at 16:35:57 70534F487D4E48554F483C0 wrote:
OH, could that be like the statement, YOU made !!!!!!! " ... instead of taking care of another Fellow American/HUMAN being...." OK, got it. Know, exactly, where you stand. |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by raydawg on 11/12/16 at 16:49:53 05263A3D083B3D203A3D490 wrote:
I haven't read the link, this is just a factual rebuttal of your comment Obama got 65,915,795 votes, and 332 Electoral votes Trump got 60,273,030 votes and 306 (if you include Michigan) Electoral votes Clinton got 60,861,761 Trump is far less popular than Either Clinton or Obama heck even ROMNEY at 60,933,504 got more votes than Trump again, NO MANDATE [/quote] My referencing Obama was to point out "if" the very polls that called Hillary to win, use the same data to project Obama's favorably ratings, then she should have won. Or, you factor in the Bradley effect, which is a PC backlash, and come to a more realistic number, which bear out Trump's victory. BTW, mandates mean nothing, as they should. If any person elected to this office, should serve all. Not circumventing the process through their own desires. Now senators, and representatives should serve their electorate, but a savvy politician should consider all its population as well. |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by LostArtist on 11/12/16 at 17:08:13 72516C4F4D5651583F0 wrote:
Lost, when you say, "No Mandate", Please, Explain? I see, as a, 'Mandate', what the POTUS Elect, had, 'SAID", he will do. Do you expect him to do all that, even, BEFORE, 100 Days After Jan 20th ? [/quote] a mandate, in America, you know America right, sometimes I wonder... is that the president or other politician, has the will of the people behind them, majority rules mandate, so to stand against that is to stand against the American people, so that politician gets to do what they want until the popular opinion of that politician changes. this is different from the "honeymoon" period, which is where Trump is now, where people give him a bit of time to get adjusted to actually doing his job so they are nicer than usual to him. political campaign promises, like the "contract" is usually something that a politician would like to do to take advantage of both the combination of the honeymoon period and this majority rules mandate, but Trump LOST the popular vote, so his mandate is highly diminished, not only did he lose the popular vote, but the republican party LOST seats in both the house and the senate, yes they still control them, but by LESS than they used to before the election, which kinda says that people didn't really like them all that much, so those two things together really reduce any mandate Trump and his supporters think they have, IMO |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by LostArtist on 11/12/16 at 17:10:58 1E3D0023213A3D34530 wrote:
OH, could that be like the statement, YOU made !!!!!!! " ... instead of taking care of another Fellow American/HUMAN being...." OK, got it. Know, exactly, where you stand. [/quote] quit crossing up threads, stay focused... oh, wait, nevermind, that's asking the impossible of you. I think I'm assuming a lot of the impossible of you... I'm sorry for that |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by LostArtist on 11/12/16 at 17:14:15 32213924213727400 wrote:
I haven't read the link, this is just a factual rebuttal of your comment Obama got 65,915,795 votes, and 332 Electoral votes Trump got 60,273,030 votes and 306 (if you include Michigan) Electoral votes Clinton got 60,861,761 Trump is far less popular than Either Clinton or Obama heck even ROMNEY at 60,933,504 got more votes than Trump again, NO MANDATE [/quote] My referencing Obama was to point out "if" the very polls that called Hillary to win, use the same data to project Obama's favorably ratings, then she should have won. Or, you factor in the Bradley effect, which is a PC backlash, and come to a more realistic number, which bear out Trump's victory. BTW, mandates mean nothing, as they should. If any person elected to this office, should serve all. Not circumventing the process through their own desires. Now senators, and representatives should serve their electorate, but a savvy politician should consider all its population as well. [/quote] thank you for explaining, that actually makes a bit of sense, I don't have enough inside information about polling to know one way or another about that though, but I think it's clear the some of the polls need to start to reconfigure their processes to get better results. |
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Title: Re: Well presented........ Post by MnSpring on 11/12/16 at 17:26:29 7754484F7A494F52484F3B0 wrote:
Long time ago, a Friend said: “Ya Know, it feels Real GOOD, when you, STOP, beating, your head against a Brick Wall” I Suppose, purity much the same, a a person, ‘quoting;’ Limbaugh, as, ‘Facts’. And a Person, Not stating, their, 'believes,' in a thing, except for what they are, 'Told' to say. Keep, 'slamming', ideas, and Keep, repeating, what, Other People, 'TELL YOU', to say ! |
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