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Title: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/09/16 at 16:24:16 The high road or the low road? I really am a nice guy, but I do like to argue. Normally I'd be agreeing with most of the democrats that within their principles, as best they can, they will take the high road and work to make America better regardless of Trump. Unlike the Republicans who signed a pledge not to compromise and to make Obama a one term president, and all the pundits giving Obama crap from day one, Limbaugh saying he hopes Obama fails, etc.. so, do I get drunk, meditate and get over Trump, because in reality, he's not really going to affect my life that much, no president or politician really every could and let it all go and try to be a zen master and move past this BS, or do I get super critical and hold all you all's feet to the fire so you can feel the hypocrisy of your arrogance? I haven't decided yet, become your worst nightmare as you all have been mine, or do I just let it go and let you all wallow in your filth like pigs? right now I'm plenty angry so I'm not anywhere near the high road |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by raydawg on 11/09/16 at 16:37:12 Seems you have been angry for a spell. You PM filthy accusation, to me, attaching the F-bomb to the word "tard" without even seeing that very action reveals what you think of folks with diminished brain functions. You will do whatever you want, and its NOT because of what others do. You need to awaken to the fact you are the reason for your own attitude, blaming others or circumstance will not solve your riddle. Please, seek help if you need it, no shame in that. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by MnSpring on 11/09/16 at 16:57:30 6744585F6A595F42585F2B0 wrote:
And for the 5th or 6th time, What PART of, 'The Contract', do you NOT Agree with, and why ????? Go 'Pout' in the corner, Or Get on the right buss ! Pick One !!!!!!! (Being the, Patriot, you said, you were) |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by MnSpring on 11/09/16 at 17:02:13 Raydawg, and I Disagree on many things, But I Believe, ‘Crabbing or Wally Fishing", we could sort those thing out. You, Lost, would probably go, overboard’ ! LLOLOO ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by raydawg on 11/09/16 at 17:15:31 41625F7C7E65626B0C0 wrote:
That would kill the bite fer sure ;D |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by old.indian on 11/09/16 at 19:08:45 If you want to be treated as an adult, act like one. Pouting and having temper tantrums when you can't have your way is NOT considered adult behavior. Neither is gloating. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/09/16 at 19:36:00 4665587B7962656C0B0 wrote:
And for the 5th or 6th time, What PART of, 'The Contract', do you NOT Agree with, and why ????? Go 'Pout' in the corner, Or Get on the right buss ! Pick One !!!!!!! (Being the, Patriot, you said, you were) [/quote] I'll get to that, some of it is crap, some of it is really a lot more complicated than he thinks it is, so the 100 day limit, probably not smart, I'll give you a small example now, the term limits, I actually think that's going to make corruption worse, you are going to have a bunch of rookie politicians being manipulated by entrenched staff and lobbyists. and Number 5, lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign nations... aren't some White House officials like liasons and ambassadors and stuff to foreign nations, wouldn't their expertise be vital to really understanding foreign nations, I'm just not clear on what this all entails... Sixth, requires a repeal of the Citizen's United supreme court ruling and maybe a complete reworking of campaign finance, since right now, companies, foreign or not) can give to any superPAC they want without any approval needed, so there's a lot more to it than just what the contract has down, and that's how it is with a lot of those things, just supporting my hypothesis that conservatives don't do nuance, they like simple things, but the world isn't simple. I'll break it all down later (and no, I don't know exactly when, might be a week or so, so cool your jets), since Trump won, I guess I can give you that much. oh, and I ain't getting on any bus, I have a motorcycle, and I'll go my own way |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/09/16 at 19:36:46 24272F6522252F222A254B0 wrote:
it's worked for the republicans for the last 6 years... |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/16 at 19:47:24 Whether the Democrats’ sit-in on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives to protest congressional inaction on gun-control legislation was a publicity stunt or a tipping point remains to be seen. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/09/16 at 19:58:19 687B637E7B6D7D1A0 wrote:
yeah, you're right, I will do what I want, but I am allowed to express my frustration that the same people that have been so divisive during this campaign, and before during Obama's administration, are now asking ME to not return the favor? they want me to act respectfully, when they called Obama everything up to and including the N-word. It's like someone punching and fighting you and their telling to "stay still, don't fight back" I haven't decided if I'm going to turn the other cheek yet. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/09/16 at 20:04:15 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
what are you talking about? that was nothing, merely a symbolic gesture the republicans have been obstructionist since 2010, they even scheduled secret votes at weird hours, sometimes not even in the Congress chamber, so it's fine with you if Republicans play games but not Democrats |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/16 at 20:09:04 I was called racist for disagreeing with policy. I was called homophobe for disagreeing with policy. I was called xenophobe for disagreeing with policy. I'll debate disagreements with policies.. But I might lean toward Trumpophobia. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by raydawg on 11/10/16 at 03:29:02 6C4F5354615254495354200 wrote:
yeah, you're right, I will do what I want, but I am allowed to express my frustration that the same people that have been so divisive during this campaign, and before during Obama's administration, are now asking ME to not return the favor? they want me to act respectfully, when they called Obama everything up to and including the N-word. It's like someone punching and fighting you and their telling to "stay still, don't fight back" I haven't decided if I'm going to turn the other cheek yet. [/quote] Don't turn the cheek for them, but for yourself.... Please try and wrap an understanding around who will be freed, with such actions. The best way to teach is not by instructions, but by actions. We buy so much crap, by words of promise..... Yet nothing has to be said, when we see someone doing what is right. We inherently know that is right, and sustainable, for it needs no spin. You know this, we all do.... We just forget, and get stubborn, and prideful, when caught :-[ |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/10/16 at 07:06:02 694A56516457514C5651250 wrote:
what are you talking about? that was nothing, merely a symbolic gesture the republicans have been obstructionist since 2010, they even scheduled secret votes at weird hours, sometimes not even in the Congress chamber, so it's fine with you if Republicans play games but not Democrats[/quote] I didn't know about that. Show me. Obstructionist Anyone who is sane enough to not want to commit suicide as a nation. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/10/16 at 08:03:47 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
when was this talk BEFORE the election? you were demonizing Clinton without talking about her policies, so now you want to talk policy?? that's sure convenient for you, opportunist |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/10/16 at 08:05:37 495A425F5A4C5C3B0 wrote:
yeah, you're right, I will do what I want, but I am allowed to express my frustration that the same people that have been so divisive during this campaign, and before during Obama's administration, are now asking ME to not return the favor? they want me to act respectfully, when they called Obama everything up to and including the N-word. It's like someone punching and fighting you and their telling to "stay still, don't fight back" I haven't decided if I'm going to turn the other cheek yet. [/quote] Don't turn the cheek for them, but for yourself.... Please try and wrap an understanding around who will be freed, with such actions. The best way to teach is not by instructions, but by actions. We buy so much crap, by words of promise..... Yet nothing has to be said, when we see someone doing what is right. We inherently know that is right, and sustainable, for it needs no spin. You know this, we all do.... We just forget, and get stubborn, and prideful, when caught :-[/quote] I don't want to let you or them forget their own actions and words, I'm sick of the double standard |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by verslagen1 on 11/10/16 at 08:36:46 092A36310437312C3631450 wrote:
The BS meter just pegged. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/10/16 at 11:37:22 6E7D6A6B74797F7D7629180 wrote:
The BS meter just pegged.[/quote] I didn't know you were into pegging, does your wife know? oh, and since that post was IN AUGUST, how slow is your BS meter, you might need to have that looked at. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by verslagen1 on 11/10/16 at 11:40:28 71524E497C4F49544E493D0 wrote:
The BS meter just pegged.[/quote] I didn't know you were into pegging, does your wife know? oh, and since that post was IN AUGUST, how slow is your BS meter, you might need to have that looked at. [/quote] You should run for office... You could run as trumps long lost twin brother. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/10/16 at 12:55:58 160512130C0107050E51600 wrote:
The BS meter just pegged.[/quote] I didn't know you were into pegging, does your wife know? oh, and since that post was IN AUGUST, how slow is your BS meter, you might need to have that looked at. [/quote] You should run for office... You could run as trumps long lost twin brother.[/quote] another reason why you should have your BS meter checked is because THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DID. "I've always been independent, I don't know anyone converting, but plenty are just opting out, on both sides. I'm probably voting for Gary Johnson, but might vote for Hillary just to piss JOG off " also again with the reading comprehension (this really is a thing with conservatives isn't it?), I said I, I, I don't know anyone converting, not that there weren't people converting, and in reality, can you prove that anyone did convert? the enthusiasm gap, which I admit I questioned as to how much of a difference that would make and I was wrong, that's what made the difference, a lot of democrats stayed home, the numbers show that Hillary under performed where she should have over performed, according to 2012 results. I'll give Trump and conservatives credit, the polls are flawed. But let's see how I came to that conclusion, I didn't speculate based on my personal experience, I accepted them as being fairly accurate at least within a margin of error, and now after seeing them really mess up, do I see them as flawed, also, look at that word, flawed, not worthless, not complete crap, but they need to be adjusted so there's better data next time, I'm not overly hyperbolic about this, not yelling about how worthless they are and how no one should pay attention to them or anything like, but now there's a caution sign on them, that's all. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by verslagen1 on 11/10/16 at 13:54:15 You should get a job at a used car dealership to get ready for politics. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/10/16 at 14:42:45 574453524D4046444F10210 wrote:
let me sell you a bridge in Brooklyn ... :P |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by MnSpring on 11/10/16 at 16:52:00 6E4D51566350564B5156220 wrote:
I didn’t speculate based on my personal experience, Help me with the, ‘compression’, of that statement? You say: you had a, ‘Personal Experience’, with something. Yet, a, ‘Personal Experience', IS, “Speculation” ? I have always believed, ’speculation’ is what someone else says about something. And, ‘Personal Experience’, is a Fact, because it Happened, to me, (or you), Thus, Personal Experience ! And you Contradict your own statement. “…I accepted them as being fairly accurate at least within a margin of error, and now after seeing them really mess up, do I see them as flawed, …” Would not, you, ‘accepting’ them, as …. be what you believe. And, now after seeing them …, Be a Personal Experience? “ …can you prove that anyone did convert?…” By, converting, I am guessing you mean, ‘how they voted’. I Know, Several people, (not on this forum), Who were planning on 3rd Party, then, ‘Held Their Nose’, and voted for Trump. (You don’t know any of them) Yet, if you were, ‘paying attention’, to the Posts here. You might be able to figure out, who here did ! Can’t help ya, because you are upset as to the election results. But what is what. Move Forward. and, “Hold Trumps Feet to the Fire”, saying, ‘You Said’. It is something we ALL Have to do. ALL of US ! Yes, I believe he was a better choice than Clinton. But that does NOT, Mean, I will STOP, caring ! I will, STILL, be, ‘Holding his feet to the fire’. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/10/16 at 18:25:42 7A596447455E5950370 wrote:
I didn’t speculate based on my personal experience, Help me with the, ‘compression’, of that statement? You say: you had a, ‘Personal Experience’, with something. Yet, a, ‘Personal Experience', IS, “Speculation” ? let me help you DECOMPRESS that statement, again, your failure at English explains a lot, I don't take my personal experience and extrapolate it out to confirm my already existing biases (hunches) I have always believed, ’speculation’ is what someone else says about something. And, ‘Personal Experience’, is a Fact, because it Happened, to me, (or you), Thus, Personal Experience ! And you Contradict your own statement. so, no I didn't, reading comprehension, again, how sad “…I accepted them as being fairly accurate at least within a margin of error, and now after seeing them really mess up, do I see them as flawed, …” Would not, you, ‘accepting’ them, as …. be what you believe. And, now after seeing them …, Be a Personal Experience? it's actually now a SHARED experience and in the records of credible journalism “ …can you prove that anyone did convert?… By, converting, I am guessing you mean, ‘how they voted’. I Know, Several people, (not on this forum), Who were planning on 3rd Party, then, ‘Held Their Nose’, and voted for Trump. (You don’t know any of them) Yet, if you were, ‘paying attention’, to the Posts here. You might be able to figure out, who here did ! fair enough, I did too, I was going to vote Johnson, then I went Clinton Can’t help ya, because you are upset as to the election results. But what is what. Move Forward. and, “Hold Trumps Feet to the Fire”, saying, ‘You Said’. It is something we ALL Have to do. ALL of US ! Yes, I believe he was a better choice than Clinton. But that does NOT, Mean, I will STOP, caring ! I will, STILL, be, ‘Holding his feet to the fire’. [/quote] yeah, I know you want to burn it all down, but no, I'm supposed to help heal with you, to bring this nation back together, after it's all ashes, that's going to be kinda hard though. |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by MnSpring on 11/10/16 at 18:45:03 0C2F3334013234293334400 wrote:
LOLOLOL, So, you said, YOU, are a 'Patriot'. In your world, tell us exactly, what that means? |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by LostArtist on 11/11/16 at 15:05:28 6744795A5843444D2A0 wrote:
LOLOLOL, So, you said, YOU, are a 'Patriot'. In your world, tell us exactly, what that means? [/quote] what you are really asking, is what do I think is good about America. in my world? that's highly disrespectful, but I'll take that as I question your reality as well, hopefully we'll work towards at least sharing a reality to put it simply, "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right in America." William J. Clinton Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/williamjc101130.html That's why I love this nation, we DO have a voice in our government, you can't deny that, look at 2010, and even this past election, The system WORKS, even without term limits, and I still have faith and believe that, yes it can be difficult, as you will soon find out, but it's designed to be that way, I love our government, how it's set up, sure it can be frustrating but my freedom to believe what I want is protected, your freedom to believe what you want is protected, just as long as you nor I do anything to harm any other. I love the diversity of America, all kinds of diversity, I want everyone to share equal protection under the law, that's not how it right now, but I love that that is closer than ever before though. Diversity should not be limited, we are a melting pot, not a one size fits all culture. I love freedom of speech, I love the bill of rights and the constitution, even the "evil" 14th amendment, here's the problem you have, yeah, I'm somewhat liberal, but I'm not AUTHORITARIAN, I'm not going to force you to follow my beliefs about anything, I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about it, but as long as you aren't hurting me or another, I really don't have a problem with whatever the heck you want to do. oh, and repealing Obamacare, is hurting another, like actual health hurt, not financial hurt, but yeah, it needs work for sure, but understand that arguing isn't forcing. I'll have more later... |
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Title: Re: the choice Post by MnSpring on 11/11/16 at 16:59:10 55766A6D586B6D706A6D190 wrote:
Would that be, 'everybody', EXCEPT, H.R.C. ? |
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