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Title: ANOTHER non issue Post by thumperclone on 11/06/16 at 12:47:59 Comely says AGAIN there will be no charges

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/16 at 15:24:17 Really,, as if she would be charged.. Lack of indictments for the ruling class,, What a surprise. You're probably unaware of the fact that should She be charged, her defense would crash the Whitehouse, too.. Someone pointed out what a genius Carlin was. It's a CLUB, and You ain't INITT,,

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by MnSpring on 11/06/16 at 17:00:17 322E332B362334252A292823460 wrote: Comely says AGAIN there will be no charges Could someone, request to see, 'his'  Tax  Returns? Or is a  'car' he is now driving, a, vacation, spot he now has, A  Jet, at his personal  disposal, Not  recorded,   Because it was paid for by a, 'certain',  'Foundation" ???

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by oldNslow on 11/07/16 at 10:34:44 Quote: ANOTHER non issue Really. I suppose if all that matters is whether or not your choice of candidates  happens to win the election it's a non issue. On the other hand, if what matters is that the rule of law in the good  old USA has been officially flushed down the crapper, then IMO it's a pretty big issue.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by thumperclone on 11/07/16 at 12:39:43 102E2F23312D2C420 wrote: Quote: ANOTHER non issue Really. I suppose if all that matters is whether or not your choice of candidates  happens to win the election it's a non issue. On the other hand, if what matters is that the rule of law in the good  old USA has been officially flushed down the crapper, then IMO it's a pretty big issue. no laws broken...

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/07/16 at 12:44:31 6E50515D4F53523C0 wrote: Quote: ANOTHER non issue Really. I suppose if all that matters is whether or not your choice of candidates  happens to win the election it's a non issue. On the other hand, if what matters is that the rule of law in the good  old USA has been officially flushed down the crapper, then IMO it's a pretty big issue. http://https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b9/fe/f5/b9fef5bb583291eafc514387d01d671d.jpg

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by oldNslow on 11/07/16 at 12:54:49 Quote: “In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information,” Comey brazenly announced, “we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts.” We really wish Mr. Comey would have consulted with us first. Here’s a brief rundown that anybody can do with a Google search, in which 10 people were actually punished for similar or lesser offenses than what Mrs. Clinton got away with yesterday. Bill Clinton’s National Security Adviser guilty of Destroying Documents in National Archives: “Sandy Berger … pleaded guilty in 2005 to illegally sneaking classified documents from the National Archives by stuffing papers in his suit. He later destroyed some of them in his office and lied about it.” State Department Official Fired and Security Clearance Revoked After Linking to Classified Wikileaks Document: Peter Van Buren, a foreign service officer for Hillary’s State Department, was fired and his security clearance revoked for quoting a Wikileaks document AFTER publishing a book critical of Clinton. In fact, the Washington Post reported that one of his firing infractions was “showing ‘bad judgement’ by criticizing Clinton and then-Rep. Michele Bachmann on his blog.” Bill Clinton’s CIA Director Was Pardoned During Plea Negotiations for Storing Classified Data on Home Computer: John Deutch, CIA director under President Clinton, was found to have classified information on a government-owned computer in his home several days after he left the CIA. He had to be pardoned in the middle of plea negotiations by Hillary’s husband. Navy engineer sentenced for mishandling classified material: Bryan Nishimura of Folsom, California, pled guilty to the unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials during stints in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008. Here’s the money quote from the AP – “An FBI search of Nishimura’s home turned up classified materials, but did not reveal evidence he intended to distribute them.” The exact words used to clear Hillary of her misdeeds. Instead, Nishimura was sentenced to two years probation, fined $7,500, and had to surrender his security clearance. Meanwhile, Clinton will be able to serve as Commander-in-Chief. Sailor Smuggles Classified Docs off Ship: “A Navy intelligence specialist admitted Thursday that he smuggled classified documents out of Fort Bragg in folders and his pants pockets, then sold them for $11,500 to a man he believed was a Chinese agent.” Low Level Submarine Shipmate Prosecuted for Less Serious Crime than Clinton: Petty Officer First Class Kristian Saucier allegedly used a cellphone camera to take photos in the classified engine room of the nuclear submarine where he worked as a mechanic, the USS Alexandria, then destroyed a laptop, camera and memory card after learning he was under investigation. He was indicted on one felony count of unlawful retention of national defense information and another felony count of obstruction of justice. Marine Corps. Major Caught Sending Classified Documents to Superiors Using Personal Email: Maj. Jason Brezler was dismissed from the Marine Corps when he “accidentally took home 14 documents on his personal computer, some of which were classified.” According to the report, Brezler was “in a graduate school class when he received an urgent email from military officials in Afghanistan and sent a specific document in response, using his personal email account.” Lab Tech Steals Data from Nuclear Facility. Jessica Lynn Quintana, a former worker at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, pleaded guilty in federal court to “knowingly removing classified information from the national security research laboratory, after she took home sensitive documents and data from the lab last year.” NSA Manager gives Classified Info to Newspaper: A National Security Agency manager was indicted on allegations of willful retention of “national defense” or classified information, obstruction of justice and making a false statement, after he allegedly “passed classified information to a Baltimore Sun reporter who wrote stories exposing NSA mismanagement.” Charges were dropped and the NSA manager pleaded to a misdemeanor, in what was called a victory against the Obama administration whom had attempted to use dated laws to prosecute leakers of classified information. Now apparently, the administration is seemingly content with those intelligence leaks. Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-clinton-email-10-punished-less/#ixzz4PMHr1afp Comey said in his original announcement that Hillary was in fact guilty of essentially the same thing as the folks above, mishandling classified material. But he said that her behavior was "careless" not "criminal" . Maybe you guys can see the difference. I can't.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/16 at 13:15:25 . He said they found 58 email chains which contain classified information at the Clinton received them.  He also said that some of the information sent by Mrs Clinton did contain these classified markings so Mrs. Clinton has publicly said nothing was marked classified at the time. Comey went on to say that someone in her position and the others around her should have recognized the sensitivity of the information they were handling and that is gross negligence . There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in secretary Clinton’s position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. And: Although we did not find clear evidence that secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to break laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. According to the law, that’s enough to bring charges. According to the statute US 793 subsection F, the statute Hillary violated, there is no requirement for intent: (f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. Comey said that they have to assume this information was accessed by third parties, even hostile nations, because the server was not set up with the site kind of security you would even find in a government system or even on an email system such as Gmail. To smugly pretend she broke no laws is to choose to believe what can't be supported by a rational mind.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by oldNslow on 11/07/16 at 13:33:34 Holy Crap ! Comey might be crooked too ! O Noooooo! :o Rule of law in the crapper. Or something.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by verslagen1 on 11/07/16 at 14:00:53 America now under the golden rule... he who has the gold rules.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by Serowbot on 11/07/16 at 14:31:46 4876777B6975741A0 wrote: Maybe you guys can see the difference. I can't.  Well,.. there's yer' problem,.. right there...

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/16 at 14:34:45 4A7475796B7776180 wrote: Holy Crap ! Comey might be crooked too ! O Noooooo! :o Rule of law in the crapper. Or something. Someone may have sent him a link to the finest funeral home's Selection of Happily Ever After Life accommodations. Threats against family work against the stoic. http://lidblog.com/comey-video-hillary-was-reckless-lied-prosecution-not-recommendation/ She's guilty as sin.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/07/16 at 14:44:47 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote: . He said they found 58 email chains which contain classified information at the Clinton received them.  He also said that some of the information sent by Mrs Clinton did contain these classified markings so Mrs. Clinton has publicly said nothing was marked classified at the time. Comey went on to say that someone in her position and the others around her should have recognized the sensitivity of the information they were handling and that is gross negligence . There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in secretary Clinton’s position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. And: Although we did not find clear evidence that secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to break laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. According to the law, that’s enough to bring charges. According to the statute US 793 subsection F, the statute Hillary violated, there is no requirement for intent: (f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. Comey said that they have to assume this information was accessed by third parties, even hostile nations, because the server was not set up with the site kind of security you would even find in a government system or even on an email system such as Gmail. To smugly pretend she broke no laws is to choose to believe what can't be supported by a rational mind. until it's proven beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law, saying she's guilty is complete UNAMERICAN as written by our forefathers.  so I guess you aren't as patriotic as you think you are, but I'm sure you'll just dismiss that as just another crazy thing I said, when your accusation of guilt and outright hatred of Clinton is truly disturbing, I do hope you get over your own ego someday

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/07/16 at 14:46:06 677463627D7076747F20110 wrote: America now under the golden rule... he who has the gold rules. that's always been the rule, Trump has bribed, sorry, "donated" enough to people that he knows how it works, he's said so himself, several times

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/16 at 14:55:41 Not surprisingly, yet again, you're making the victim of a corrupt system out to be the bad guy. You can blame the shopkeeper for paying the Protection money to the Mob, too. It's not Trumps fault that in ORDER to be awarded licenses and such, bribes must be paid. Rather than SEE THAT, you blame Him, instead of those who SELL INFLUENCE. FRIKKEN WOW!!!!#

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/07/16 at 16:16:12 283731362B2C1D2D1D25373B70420 wrote: Not surprisingly, yet again, you're making the victim of a corrupt system out to be the bad guy. You can blame the shopkeeper for paying the Protection money to the Mob, too. It's not Trumps fault that in ORDER to be awarded licenses and such, bribes must be paid. Rather than SEE THAT, you blame Him, instead of those who SELL INFLUENCE. FRIKKEN WOW!!!!# Trump wanted the Easy way out, that's why he bought them off. He didn't want to follow the rules, but he's the victim??? I'm sure there are plenty of people who have licenses that FOLLOWED THE RULES, but if you are all for taking the easy way out...  I guess you like cheaters then.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/16 at 16:26:44 You don't get it or you are so filled with hate that logic d oes  not matter. When the People who either grant or DON'T GRANT license demand bribes, you BRIBE. I know you are lying. Because the same attitude towards The Rules changes, depending on topic. Immigration? Kick your way in. The rules don't apply. Billionaires are ALL CRIMINALS, according to you. They don't pay their fair share. You're really something..

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by oldNslow on 11/07/16 at 16:38:07 The folks that need to read this likely won't, but here,anyway. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264746/fall-fbi-director-daniel-greenfield#.TgbIbOl8zwo.mailto

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/16 at 17:41:34 And Comey chose the cover-up. He laid out evidence of illegal actions and denied they were illegal. And he pointed out that Should someone else find themselves in the same situation They would have No Reason to believe that They would Not be Prosecuted. A few details the Gut Hooked Lefties are overlooking, because IF they choose to Honestly Evaluate the facts, they will be forced to admit the obvious. She's guilty as sin.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by MnSpring on 11/07/16 at 18:10:49  Do you watch  Football?  Do you lament that your  favorite team, seems to be getting more Penalties, and  questionable  penalties,? Do you understand the,  Betting  Spread ? Who, can  totally influence the outcome of a game? The  ‘Referees’. Now tell me, when was the Last Time, a, ‘Referee’, Was  Investigated, his  Tax return audited, his, spending checked, his ‘possessions’, checked. ? GEE,    NEVER    !!!!!!!   But, EVERYONE,  has  Accepted  THIS   !!!!! So, the Same, with  the  Clinton,   "Kiss  My Azz, you will get  rewarded". ! OK, all that  believe the  Clinton's, are,  'Pure'   Stand up and  VOTE, for a  3rd  Term  of  B.O. (ante  Freedom),  policies.  !!!!!! (Well, unless one is into, 'Shrooms') Which explains a  lot !!! *

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by MnSpring on 11/07/16 at 18:24:44 7754484F7A494F52484F3B0 wrote: " ...  He didn't want to follow the rules ...". Hello  ?????????? The,  "Rules",  are,   MADE UP, by the the people that,  EXTORT !!!! The People that are  ALLOWED, to  Extort. The People that, are, granted, 'Special'. Privileges to,  EXTORT ! Here is a hint,  "do  NOT',  drive, with your eyes,  'CLOSED'.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/16 at 19:15:01 It doesn't MATTER that the people who are effectively SELLING the licenses and permits are Extorting Money from the People who are Owed a license or permit Just BY following the Rules. But that's not how it works. That's what Trump wants to fix..

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/07/16 at 20:32:05 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote: You don't get it or you are so filled with hate that logic d oes  not matter. When the People who either grant or DON'T GRANT license demand bribes, you BRIBE. I know you are lying. Because the same attitude towards The Rules changes, depending on topic. Immigration? Kick your way in. The rules don't apply. Billionaires are ALL CRIMINALS, according to you. They don't pay their fair share. You're really something.. first, I'm not the one with hatred in his heart, you are. You've proved that time and time again with your visible disdain for anyone who disagrees with you.   I support our current immigration laws, that's all I've said about immigration. So I don't know where you get that, oh, probably the same place you get all your information, some little nothing conservative conspiracy website. Again, I've never said ALL billionaires are criminals. I really like Mark Cuban, Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, I dont' really know much about them all though, but I'm certain they aren't all criminals, that's just not logical. As to them not paying their fair share, some do, some don't, many, even the ones I like, have tax shelters and hire lawyers like Trump did to manage their taxes to maximize their profit, just like I'd expect them to do, within the boundaries of the tax code of course. But when a family does it, and ends up not owing money, because of Child credits or mortgage deduction or whatever, and when poor people just don't make enough money to pay taxes, the likes of Mitt Romney yell that they are bought and paid for by the Democrats (despite the fact the poor people statistically vote republican). I just don't believe in trickle down economics, I don't believe in blanket tax cuts. but sure, go ahead, make your assumptions.   and no, Trump bribes to get out of trouble, under investigation in Floriday, "donate" under investigation in Texas, "donate"  want Clinton to show up at a wedding "donate"  , he's not bribing to just do business and normal, he's bribing to get special treatment, to get around the rules.  He loves bribing "In 2012, shortly after the WalMart bribery scandal broke, Donald Trump said that the U.S. anti-bribery law is a “horrible law”.  It “puts [the U.S.] at a huge disadvantage” because “every other country is doing it and we’re not allowed to.”" http://www.newsroompanama.com/news/panama/bribery-part-cost-business funny how we see corruption from completely different angles, you need to let go of all that hatred and fear, it's making you look at the world funny

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/07/16 at 20:35:09 62417C5F5D4641482F0 wrote: [quote author=7754484F7A494F52484F3B0 link=1478465279/15#15 date=1478564172]" ...  He didn't want to follow the rules ...". Hello  ?????????? The,  "Rules",  are,   MADE UP, by the the people that,  EXTORT !!!! The People that are  ALLOWED, to  Extort. The People that, are, granted, 'Special'. Privileges to,  EXTORT ! Here is a hint,  "do  NOT',  drive, with your eyes,  'CLOSED'. [/quote] rich people make the rules, always have, their greed is their rule, and just stop with eyes closed thing, I purposefully expose myself to conservative media ALL day long, I hear all the agenda, bias spin crap you do, I just see through it, by using critical thinking, probably something else you struggle with, you like a simple life, you like to keep everything either black or white, well, life isn't black and white, I see that, you don't

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/07/16 at 20:36:15 60437E5D5F44434A2D0 wrote:  Do you watch  Football?  Do you lament that your  favorite team, seems to be getting more Penalties, and  questionable  penalties,? Do you understand the,  Betting  Spread ? Who, can  totally influence the outcome of a game? The  ‘Referees’. Now tell me, when was the Last Time, a, ‘Referee’, Was  Investigated, his  Tax return audited, his, spending checked, his ‘possessions’, checked. ? GEE,    NEVER    !!!!!!!   But, EVERYONE,  has  Accepted  THIS   !!!!! So, the Same, with  the  Clinton,   "Kiss  My Azz, you will get  rewarded". ! OK, all that  believe the  Clinton's, are,  'Pure'   Stand up and  VOTE, for a  3rd  Term  of  B.O. (ante  Freedom),  policies.  !!!!!! (Well, unless one is into, 'Shrooms') Which explains a  lot !!! * you're freaking paranoid

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/07/16 at 20:44:22 36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote: And Comey chose the cover-up. He laid out evidence of illegal actions and denied they were illegal. And he pointed out that Should someone else find themselves in the same situation They would have No Reason to believe that They would Not be Prosecuted. A few details the Gut Hooked Lefties are overlooking, because IF they choose to Honestly Evaluate the facts, they will be forced to admit the obvious. She's guilty as sin. that's NOT what he said, he said that there would be CONSEQUENCES, not prosecution, again, you all DON'T LISTEN. he said, and these are his EXACT WORDS "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. " so did she do something wrong, yes, is it criminal, well, not exactly. So intent may not matter in judging  the illegal part but it DOES matter in the sentencing part, ask any judge, that's why there's manslaughter vs murder homicides.   again you all need to pay attention to the shades of gray in life, I know they can be minute and nuanced, but it's important so that you are fair and just in your judgement, again, release your fear and hatred

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/07/16 at 20:59:39 more bribery talk: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430266/donald-trump-bribery-politicians-hillary-clinton-robert-menendez-solomon-melgen “I give to everybody. When they call, I give.” Yup, although more to the progressives, to implement the very policies he now complains are destroying the country." notice the "destroying the country" verbage, a tell tale sign that this is from a "conservative" source "No, my point is that Trump is a crony-capitalist pillar of the “broken system,” and his thumb has mainly been on the Democrats’ side of the scale. If he were to run against Hillary, it would be reasonable to ask which of them had contributed more to Hillary and her “progressive” causes. I couldn’t care less whether he’s indictable. I’m trying to understand how the consummate pro-Democrat insider gets to be electable — as a Republican, and in an election that’s supposed to be all about the outsiders. " Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430266/donald-trump-bribery-politicians-hillary-clinton-robert-menendez-solomon-melgen

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/07/16 at 21:59:12 pro-Democrat insider gets to be electable — as a Republican, and in an election that’s supposed to be all about the outsiders. " I asked What's different about her now? How can he run against who he supported?

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by LostArtist on 11/08/16 at 13:06:29 203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote: pro-Democrat insider gets to be electable — as a Republican, and in an election that’s supposed to be all about the outsiders. " I asked What's different about her now? How can he run against who he supported? you think he actually gave much thought about "supporting" Clinton??  Clinton was famous, Trump wants to be in the IN crowd in NY, She was a popular NY Senator, He would have bought her off if she was republican just the same. He didn't care about actual issues, He's JUST THIS MONTH released his "contract" up until then he was depending on standard republican issues and his hyperbole to get him through. He's flip flopped more than a spatula at IHOP. It was just about popularity for him.

Title: Re: ANOTHER non issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/08/16 at 18:25:40 You hate Trump so much, nothing is right. Everything is calculated, disingenuous. Ohh, but Hillary, good grief..

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