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Title: Brexit Post by Violent_Rage on 06/24/16 at 00:44:52 What do you think about? Since the EU exists, as we understand it today, we are all been led to believe that the exit from the EU would be devastating to the economy of the outgoing country. I am considering that the UK has never joined the Euro and also that they have two years to plan the exit strategy, it could be that they will not be affected as much as the government wants us to believe. I'm not an economist and I'm not British, so this is just a personal observation. We'll see... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by raydawg on 06/24/16 at 03:43:20 Well if Trump wins the presidency here..... With the same "folk are tired" of the same old same old, from politicians, energy that drove this vote, where will Bot go? Maybe all the losers can do one BIG massive sit in....... ON THE MOON ;D Seems progressive-ism/liberalism people are rejecting around the world, golly, perhaps Obama can coin a new word for them, that will chastise them, OH, how about idiots, as in, "They is too stupid to know what I thinks best for hem...... " |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/24/16 at 08:06:42 I'm Thrilled that the vote was counted honestly. I'm expecting to see some retribution.. The people who voted to leave here hurt some people, helped others, I suppose, but Certainly hurt some big financial houses. The fearmongering they tried didn't Work! So, I expect retribution. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Serowbot on 06/24/16 at 08:12:31 I think the remaining EU will feel the need to exact some consequences upon The UK... Jilted lovers can be harsh... :-? |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by old.indian on 06/24/16 at 08:13:42 When you listen to the reporters in Britain, they describe the desire to leave as a working class protest against the financial / political "status quo" that exist on both sides of the Atlantic. Then the American "reporters", (and I use the term loosely), come on and spout doom and gloom, "But everything will be fine as soon as Hillary is elected"* * No fooling !!!! Some "thing" on CNN (A.K.A. the Clinton News Network)went into a rant about how Hillary would be able to control the situation ..... :-? I will agree that there is a working class protest against the political and financial establishment in this country. The backing for Trump and Bernie are two sides of the same coin of protest. (They both represent the "anti-establishment" movement in the two political parties.) No matter who is elected, my money is on "business as usual" in Washington DC.... After all, "We Have The Best Government That Money Can Buy." 8-) |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by raydawg on 06/24/16 at 08:17:20 It's like I said elsewhere..... It is simple reasoning. Think back to your first credit card. You used it without considering the hole you dig if you carry debt. It temporarily provides answers to needs and wants, but really didn't address the wherewithal to pay for it. The pitfall of a "if it feels good" do it liberal mindset with out even entertaining the long term consequences :-[ |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Serowbot on 06/24/16 at 08:29:45 [quote author=52415944415747200 link=1466754292/0#5 date=1466781440]It's like I said elsewhere..... It is simple reasoning. Think back to your first credit card. You used it without considering the hole you dig if you carry debt. It temporarily provides answers to needs and wants, but really didn't address the wherewithal to pay for it. The pitfall of a "if it feels good" do it liberal mindset with out even entertaining the long term consequences :-[/quote] Why is that "liberal"?... Doesn't that imply that Trump supporters are "liberal"?... Just tagging anything negative with a liberal label?... ;D |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/24/16 at 08:34:38 Good for them for leaving. They were only in with one foot, they kept their pound and did mandate switch to Euro. There's more good than bad in this. The nonsense about business being affected is just that, nonsense. Money is money and those in business at the top will find a way to make it work. I listed to the BBC yesterday early afternoon and all the reporters sounded like our MSM with talk about how they were not leaving and only white working class were in favor of it. Sound familiar?..... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/24/16 at 08:44:14 Why is that "liberal"?... Doesn't that imply that Trump supporters are "liberal"?... Trump supporters aren't knee jerk response type people. It's taken years to get fed up to the point a man like Trump looks like a valid solution. Said it before, I'm not convinced Trump is the right guy to be at the point of this spear, but he's the guy who's got the job now. He says he realizes the significance of his time in history, lets hope so. Always melodramatic to say 'this is the most important election'....blah blah blah, but the thing is, one of these times, it will be the most important election. We will not survive as America if we keep electing Obamas and Hilarys. Fact is, it may be too late for anyone to save us from the enormous bureaucracy we've created. Honestly, can we survive with a leadership that actually thinks bringing in millions of immigrants from some of these $hithole countries is a good idea? Mind boggling... Look, I'm all in favor of an all out war in the middle east with any country with an Islamic population that gives aid and comfort to Islamic terrorists. They are the Nazis of our generation and we are letting them take a foothold over here. I don't get it. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Serowbot on 06/24/16 at 08:57:46 142621303726310E223128430 wrote:
Will you go fight it?... Will your children?... War has a much higher body count than a few random acts of terrorism... ... and, when have we won?... Once we declare victory and leave, we leave even more embittered people in the country we invaded. This is how the problem started in the first place, with the invasion of Iraq... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by verslagen1 on 06/24/16 at 09:48:40 5543544951444952260 wrote:
Will you go fight it?... Will your children?... War has a much higher body count than a few random acts of terrorism... ... and, when have we won?... Once we declare victory and leave, we leave even more embittered people in the country we invaded. This is how the problem started in the first place, with the invasion of Iraq... [/quote] The problem dates so far in advance of the current issue it isn't even funny. Bow to mecca and prey 5 times a day and they'll still come after you for the type of rug you're prostrate on. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Violent_Rage on 06/24/16 at 09:52:53 This thread is totally gone off topic! :D |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by raydawg on 06/24/16 at 10:16:18 3422352830252833470 wrote:
Oh sorry..... Progressive, ya know, like global change in the weather, since warming kinda didn't fit anymore, eh..... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by verslagen1 on 06/24/16 at 10:19:20 7E4147444D465C777A494F4D280 wrote:
If computers ever get to powerful, we'll form them into a committee and that will do them in. and... If ever a democracy finds out it can vote itself wealth, it's soon doomed to destruction. heavily redacted and paraphrased by my mental committee (see inside out) |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/24/16 at 10:24:44 If computers ever get to powerful, we'll form them into a committee and that will do them in. and... That's a brilliant observation, and I intend to steal it. If ever a democracy finds out it can vote itself wealth, it's soon doomed to destruction. A warning from long ago, that has not been heeded. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by verslagen1 on 06/24/16 at 12:02:29 160512130C0107050E51600 wrote:
If computers ever get to powerful, we'll form them into a committee and that will do them in. and... If ever a democracy finds out it can vote itself wealth, it's soon doomed to destruction. heavily redacted and paraphrased by my mental committee (see inside out)[/quote] The committee forgot to add the point to the quotes... The EU is a committee. Greece is a democracy. The UK is a committee by itself. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by pg on 06/24/16 at 13:04:52 Does this mean Nigel Farage is vindicated? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/24/16 at 13:36:10 Will you go fight it?... Will your children?... War has a much higher body count than a few random acts of terrorism... ... and, when have we won?... Once we declare victory and leave, we leave even more embittered people in the country we invaded. This is how the problem started in the first place, with the invasion of Iraq... If we'd left Europe alone, we'd had fought the Nazis over here rather than over there. Just because Kennedy followed by LBJ followed by Nixon screwed up Vietnam and then Bush followed by Obama totally screwed up in Afghanistan and Iraq doesn't mean the guy with the big stick shouldn't swing it now and then. Germany, Italy and Japan are allies now because we did it right back then. Am I going to fight? If I were 20 I would. Are my kids? that's up to them. Liberals can sit back and wish things would solve themselves or pass stupid laws like worthless gun control and then pretend the issue is solved but it doesn't work out like that. Yea, this thread got off topic in a way, but in a way it did not. Maybe this vote was the last burst of energy from a doomed civilized western world weakened by liberalism and put out of it's misery by Islamic terrorist or maybe it was the beginning of a resurrection. Time will tell. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by raydawg on 06/24/16 at 13:36:51 5E494F434C5C2E0 wrote:
Not sure, but I think he can now use a transgender bathroom, I guess :D |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/24/16 at 13:39:07 Only for those who are sane and intellectually honest. For those who have laughed at him and called him a lunatic to reverse course and admit the obvious would require them to admit to themselves that they were wrong... and that ain't happnin. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by pg on 06/24/16 at 17:02:23 I am surprised Cameron resigned. Perhaps someone on the other side of the pond could elaborate? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by raydawg on 06/24/16 at 20:06:29 This doomsday financial forecast reminds me of a oil tanker spill, where the cost of gasoline goes up immediately :o What a great time to buy their pound! I am mostly in bonds anymore, which rose today. Weird how just one player can freak out so many. I don't feel this is as bad as our meltdown 8 years ago, I got hit in that pretty good, and it took years to recover.... Still haven't seen the same gusto since, but slow and steady still is progress, but like I said, I am mostly in bonds now, and thats always slow and steady anyway ;D Folks, if you think the spending can just keep up, you are seriously delusional, it can't. I can't support my neighbors who choose to party on, and not attend to their future, neither can countries, they have to say NO, and make others get out of the wagon and pull, its that simple.... Get use to this, it will happen here next! |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Violent_Rage on 06/25/16 at 02:14:26 796A7D7C636E686A613E0F0 wrote:
Interesting point of view! I have always thought that in a democracy, the people were aware of the opportunity to vote for their own health and wealth. Maybe that's what they want us to believe... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/25/16 at 03:52:51 Here's an excellent article (with a great title) that intentionally or not, ties directly into the Trump appeal. Perhaps the US will soon follow our British cousins, push open the door and walk away from our jailers. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/this-was-the-day-the-british-people-defied-their-jailers/ |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/25/16 at 04:17:14 Here's another interesting point from different article. Some of this is inside British baseball so to speak and we miss the nuisances of it, but some of it is perfectly clear. It's what I've seen in manufacturing facilities I go to for work. Line workers, traditionally Democratic voters, are sporting Trump stickers alongside their hated plant managers and engineers. Billionaire Trump whose daddy gave him a million dollar loan has somehow connected with a huge portion of Hilary's voting block. More than 17 million voters opted for Leave yesterday, and yet to take their opponents at face value would be to conclude that this vast and diverse coalition of citizens was little more than a revanchist, hate-filled, antediluvian rump. It is certainly the case that the center-right opted overwhelmingly for exit. But it is notable that the election was won not on the playing fields of Eton or in the leafy gardens of England’s Home Counties, but in the industrial Northeast and the blue-collar Midlands. Indeed, as the Mirror and others have observed, Leave’s margin was provided not by a surfeit of conservatives, but by working-class social democrats who traditionally vote Labour but whose concerns are increasingly out of sync with the rest of their party. (This, incidentally, is another reason that Parliament could not get away with ignoring the result of the referendum: Because UKIP is nipping at Labour’s heels throughout the country — and because there is strong anti-EU sentiment among at least a third of Labour voters — the Labour party’s leadership knows that to sign onto any coup would be to sign its own electoral death warrant.) Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437082/brexit-uk-eu-referendum-vote-beginning |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/16 at 06:34:08 People want freedom. Once they realize that they can't trust government to make their lives work out, they shoulder that burden and move on. I wish Americans would see.. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by raydawg on 06/25/16 at 07:36:32 192B2C3D3A2B3C032F3C254E0 wrote:
Mark, I work at the biggest union employed company in the state.... The union itself, has lost the hold on its membership. Members are telling stewards they do not want their union backing the same old candidates anymore. They are looking at the waste of money in the union itself, as these jobs pay way more than their talent, need, and go to insiders only.... It has become a little more vocal, and demonstrative, as the company this week even had to circulate a company wide memo re: political activity at work, and even asked that you wear no attire with company logo's, etc, if you engage in these activities on your own time elsewhere too. Lots of Trump supporters, not sure if its a majority or not, but its a game changer for sure. NOTE: We had a major contract vote a few years ago. It was very vocal and often heated. Our company has its own police force, so to speak, and they were called in many times. The "pro" union view was defeated by the rank and file vote. The union challenged their own rules, took on their own membership, and sorta proved democracy in their eyes only works when the results are what they want..... It was ugly. They didn't stage a sit in, but petulant behavior ensued, with threats, name calling, and forecast of doom..... Gee, that sounds familiar, eh ;D PS: I sat it out because the vote really didn't effect me. I knew I would be retiring, and not held to this contact. I let those who had a stake, decide.... I even caught chit from some when I told them I would not vote, either way, years of a working friendship abandoned instantly. Like I said, it was ugly. The mob mentality reminded me of the anger I saw in those who were "forced" into sobriety programs by loved ones, or the courts..... They were so enraged by it, they could never see the "possibilities" that awaited them, if they availed themselves, to these programs, freeing themselves from the bonds ( dependency ) that kept them in servitude.... It was so sad, but when you saw the "light go on" and they became happy and productive and ACCOUNTABLE to themselves, it was wonderful and made it all worth it! :) |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/16 at 08:52:57 The union challenged their own rules, took on their own membership, and sorta proved democracy in their eyes only works when the results are what they want..... It was ugly. That does sound familiar.. And a lot like what I have been trying to get people to see. It's all Good when someone else can be forced into Agreeing because you were willing to get the government to put a boot heel on their necks. The day is coming when all this PC crap comes to an end. I suspect that it will be accompanied by a backlash, taking us Past just ending the PC and going into hard right territory. We shall see.. The entitled few have been parasitically using the People, and the discomfort is about bigger than we can bear. It's liable to get ugly. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/25/16 at 20:11:27 in honor of Brexit, I had a few Boddingtons ales tonight. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Serowbot on 06/26/16 at 07:23:55 Way to boost the economy... ;D |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/26/16 at 08:01:23 You're not even almost qualified for that conversation. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Serowbot on 06/26/16 at 08:06:47 I'm all you got for counterpoint... :-? |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/26/16 at 08:26:29 Yes, that is true, I guess. I just don't understand how or why anyone would want to see such a Union. Ohh, the bankers/ globalist bunch, sure.. one currency, one central bank and interest rate, laws made for all by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats,, yeah, all good. To not expect such a disruption to cause economic ripples is more than naive. Not being aware that the biggest money people have been betting, literally, on the exit to fail, when it went through, the Billions were lost. Had they bet on the exit with the same money , the economy should have been positively impacted. And I typed all that for what? |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by HovisPresley on 06/26/16 at 08:44:37 Boddington's is based in Belgium. It is a Belgian/Brazilian company (that own, possibly, 25% of the global market). Enjoy your 'Brexit Ale', Mark ;) PS. Despite what Mr Trump said, Belgium is still not a city ::) ;D |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/26/16 at 14:42:04 Geez Jog.... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/26/16 at 14:46:08 75524B544E6D4F584E5158443D0 wrote:
Seriously? Well, whatever, it had the Union Jack on it, but I paid in US dollars, not Pounds or Euros. Despite what Obama said, there's only 50 states, not 57. Good to hear from you again Hovis. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Serowbot on 06/26/16 at 15:29:14 At least it's brewed in UK,... ... Manchester... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/26/16 at 16:08:12 6274637E66737E65110 wrote:
What? So you mean Hovis was just trying to be a condescending English snob? No, can't believe that..... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Serowbot on 06/26/16 at 17:00:35 Nope,.. it's owned by Anheuser-Busch InBev SA/NV... Belgian... .. like everything else... ;D Anheuser-Busch just bought Four Peaks Brewery in Tempe... Hovis?... Does that make my Arizona brewed, Scottish "KiltLifter",.. Belgian?... :-/ Shoot!.... I don't even like Belgian beer... :-?... ;D Web,.. next time try a Coopers Best Extra Stout... ...bring a spoon... ;D |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by WebsterMark on 06/26/16 at 17:39:57 being n St Louis, I know InBev very well. Once they bought Anheuser Busch, they put a lot of small business owners out on their tails. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Paraquat on 06/27/16 at 06:00:22 I like Budweiser. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Serowbot on 06/27/16 at 07:59:24 Seek help... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/16 at 08:59:12 7342514252564257230 wrote:
Gakkk.. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by HovisPresley on 06/27/16 at 08:59:42 Mark, I was pointing out that in your celebration of the Brexit win, you were actually giving your money to a place described as 'Muslim hell-hole' (as Trump puts it) that is also the centre of the EU. iRony isn't the latest Apple device..... Anyway, too much Tall Table for me, time for a beer, cheers all 8-) |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/16 at 09:15:28 And why are We giving a penny anywhere? Just because the criminals running things are doing something that we don't like, we are the ones endorsing it? Where are our dollars going if Exit fails? Where we don't like. A vote for freedom is Always the right vote. Costs? What does tyranny cost? Allowing unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats to make your laws never ends well. To expect the Big Money criminals to Not punish them for trying to regain control over their destiny would be naive. Every problem for years will be in the media as Yet another economic problem to befall them because they so Foolishly left the protection of the Union. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by pg on 06/27/16 at 13:38:46 If Italy and or France votes to leave, the EU will be toast. And why wouldn't they leave, five economies are subsidizing an enormous portion of the whole entity. While absorbing workers that aren't benefiting their countries because of the Schengen agreement. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by pg on 06/28/16 at 06:12:00 5A454344595E6F5F6F57454902300 wrote:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayojl7Op37A[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayojl7Op37A That dry sense of humor is fantastic. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/16 at 11:44:05 None of you have ever done a proper job in your lives.... Luvvitt... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by pg on 06/28/16 at 17:45:59 Even some of the attendees enjoyed his speech, Farage relished the moment! 8-) Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/16 at 19:27:42 After watching imaginary Victory Laps by narcissistic sociopathic asshats for years I FINALLY got to see someone Rub faces in feces and run joyously around the track, slappin hizzass singing Kiss it here, kiss it here.. And That someone deserved the Victory Lap. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by thumperclone on 06/29/16 at 01:59:14 now there's rumblings of Texas's secession again..TEXIT ??? good place for trumps wall |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Serowbot on 06/29/16 at 07:52:15 667A677F627760717E7D7C77120 wrote:
I'm all for it... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/16 at 12:40:43 We would be forced to set up border patrol to stop the influx of people wanting away from the crap. We would step out from under the BS of All the Trade Deals and job killing legislation. Texas would immediately become a target for retaliatory tariffs and chikkenshit rulings, but I expect we, with the Oil and the major port, would find trading partners and since We wouldn't be trying to support armies in wars and bases everywhere, we would be much more efficient economically. And, unless America wanted to have an enemy on their back porch, they would kinda hafta keep us from being invaded. Those who look down their noses at Texas are deluded. Texas has a lot going for it. Sadly, I don't see how the idea will move forward. Though, I've seen charts showing Texas as a net beneficiary of federal tax dollars,,maybe D.C.Would like to see us go. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by LostArtist on 06/29/16 at 18:27:57 2432253820353823570 wrote:
I'm all for it...[/quote] Me too, give me the motivation to get the heck out of here. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by pg on 06/29/16 at 18:43:57 I thought Vermont had a better chance a couple years ago. Texas has to much oil and valuable coast line to relinquish, not gonna happen. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by old.indian on 06/29/16 at 20:32:51 If all the Federal jobs and bases were pulled out of Texas.... Space center, Fort Hood etc. etc. It wouldn't even qualify as a5th world country.... We can only hope..... |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/16 at 23:05:08 Why would they do that? Got bases everywhere now, and the Reasons for the location of the space stuff won't change. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by LostArtist on 06/30/16 at 15:52:16 322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
the reason for the location of the space stuff was LBJ, he's been dead awhile now. THAT'S IT. JSC does nothing besides relegate and manage. they can do that ANYWHERE. |
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Title: Re: Brexit Post by Ruttly on 07/01/16 at 20:45:55 Really, A wall around Texas,now that's a good idea ! |
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