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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Have you put it to bed? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1461678116 Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 06:41:56 |
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Title: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 06:41:56 Is the answer known? Or, are there enough loose ends and nagging questions to be comfortable accepting the official story? https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-308-911-trillions-follow-the-money/ It also quotes Richard Wagner, one of the companies data retrieval experts. “There is a suspicion that some people had advance knowledge of the approximate time of the plane crashes in order to move out amounts exceeding $100 million. They thought that the records of their transactions could not be traced after the main frames were destroyed.” Don't remember ever hearing anyone crying about the loss or about the salvage of the gold. Would you speak out if you knew something? http://m.ksla.com/ksla/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:4RepRzHZ D.C. Madam Barry Jennings, coincidental, possibly. He was a walking heart attack. Still, timing is so convenient. Tons of others, like the witness deaths after JFK. I saw those reports in the paper. And, let's not forget the guys who were interviewed after they got home. We were sent to document the event. How is it possible,unless someone knows what is going to happen? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw Our purpose was to document the event. Now, I don't speak the language and have no way to prove it is accurately translated. I'm well aware of at least one historical event that was pounded on in the media, Ahmadinejad said that the Jews must be wiped off the map,, allegedly, but, I have found other places where that's Not what he said. Another time,another thread.. Why would they take all the security camera footage from every place around the Pentagon? Don't they have cameras? Why have we never Seen the pictures of the airplane? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 07:29:10 Why have we never Seen the pictures of the airplane? We did. There are plenty of photos of the remains of the plane inside the building. I have a neighbor who was at the Pentagon that day. He wasn't in the line of view to see impact but he saw the plane flying low and directly at the building, heard the impact and saw the smoke plumes. I heard interviews of witness's who saw the plane fly into the building. There is zero doubt. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 07:31:22 I'd be happy to see that. I'm pretty sure the D.C. boys know that a buncha people don't believe a plane hit the Pentagon. Why was that not a regular news offering? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 07:51:58 read the pentagon building report. why not put them on?! well hell, why not put on the guy who thinks his dog talks to him or Jimmy Stewart's character and his 6' rabbit? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 07:55:21 but have to pick this up with you later Jog. I'm on a plane about to take off and I've been randomly selected to sit in the back and pull this lever when we're over cities. not sure why, but i had to promise not to tell anybody. they said its for national security so I'm gonna do it. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 08:01:10 That's probably the funniest thing you've ever said. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 08:09:47 And, the hugh jass Jet Engines, moving along at the same speed as that hollow aluminum tube with such a lower density, yet, it went through. The fact that stuff like that works in cartoons won't suffice here. The engines are vaporized, but the tube isn't? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 08:23:38 SWA flight tracker tells me we're at 28k feet so time to pull the lever. Read the report Jog. Look at the photos. Read and watch interviews of the eyewitnesses who watched the plane fly into it. Remains of the passengers were found inside the building. None of those people have been seen alive since the plane took off. It's not that there's a high probability your conspiracy theory is wrong on this, its a certainty. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 08:44:32 Well, that certainly settles That. Only missing two Big holes in the wall. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 11:21:30 Did you or did you not, read the Pentagon performance building report? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 11:39:28 You keep running up under that things skirt. Produced by the same criminals who run everything. Phhhht. It's like looking at what they teach in school and pretending that explains how the Federal Reserve works. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 04/26/16 at 14:54:33 625057464150477854475E350 wrote:
I'm not disputing this; although, I have yet to come across any of those points on the net. Please feel free to post some pics or links. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 04/26/16 at 14:59:37 Now this is a strong argument. This is the guy who owned building #7 who told them to "pull it". He also made 4 billion off the collapse of the twin towers. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-_WYHwUtcI&feature=youtu.be[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-_WYHwUtcI&feature=youtu.be Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 16:24:51 0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
So the answer is no. You have zero credibility until YOU read and comment on it. Not some YouTube video, what you say. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 16:32:27 No. Why do I need to read what the same government I blame for the event said happened? You spend fifteen hours watching all the Architects and Engineers videos, or you have no credibility. I have been right way too much for you to pretend that I have no credibility. You haven't bothered to understand the Federal Reserve, but you act like you believe you know just how it works. I read a nearly Six Hundred page book on it. And what you know is what Americans Glean from the stuff the Government tells us. And who gave us the 9/11 Commission? Do you even know who Max Cleland is? Why would I believe anything the government endorses? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 04/26/16 at 16:39:29 744641505746516E425148230 wrote:
Ok, show us some. I would really like to see some, you said they are plentiful. I posted a video of the guy who owned building number #7 who disclosed he started planning the new building in April of 2000. That one is pretty hard to dispute. ::) Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 17:00:39 That's what businessmen call Vision... |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 17:14:27 3126202C2333410 wrote:
Ok, show us some. I would really like to see some, you said they are plentiful. I posted a video of the guy who owned building number #7 who disclosed he started planning the new building in April of 2000. That one is pretty hard to dispute. ::) Best regards,[/quote] Really? So this guy made a partnership with hundreds of people that included the president, Vice President, secretary of defense, heads of foreign states that involved the kidnapping, murdering, burning the corpses of 50 passengers on a plane within a hour of taking off, smuggling their remains into the burning Pentagon building along with the tens of thousands of events that had to happen ..and this seems compelling to you? Hard to dispute? Are you kidding? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 17:21:32 Seriously fellas, think of the variables that would have to be planned out and pulled off to make this work. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 04/26/16 at 17:23:02 1B292E3F38293E012D3E274C0 wrote:
I did not say that and the only part of this event that I have commented on was building #7. I have not seen any subjective evidence supporting your position. You said: "There are plenty of photos of the remains of the plane inside the building." I have yet to see any pictures of plane parts inside the Pentagon. So, please save the rhetoric and show me some pictures. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 17:46:38 Building 7 really is the smoking gun. Prove a lie, Boom... blows up the story. And they were reporting 7 down twenty minutes before it fell. How does That happen? Why would Anyone say a building has fallen unless it's Down? Can I get an I? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 17:57:43 2D3A3C303F2F5D0 wrote:
I did not say that and the only part of this event that I have commented on was building #7. I have not seen any subjective evidence supporting your position. You said: "There are plenty of photos of the remains of the plane inside the building." I have yet to see any pictures of plane parts inside the Pentagon. So, please save the rhetoric and show me some pictures. Best regards, [/quote] first, look up the "Pentagon building performance report". second, the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center are linked together. are you suggesting that by some unbelievable coincidence they were completely separate of from one another? I don't know anyone who thinks that. Not even the most outlandish conspiracy therapist. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 18:00:06 3A252324393E0F3F0F37252962500 wrote:
that "early reporting" lie has been debunked 1 million times. if it were true, (which its not) that means we now have to add a dozen or so CNN or BBC producers and reporters in on the conspiracy. stick to one topic. The Pentagon. Nothing else. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 04/26/16 at 18:08:34 546661707766714E627168030 wrote:
Show me these pictures you speak of. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 18:11:01 Pg, look up the pentagon building performance report and download it. It's a .pdf file. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 04/26/16 at 18:11:29 7F4D4A5B5C4D5A65495A43280 wrote:
second, the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center are linked together. are you suggesting that by some unbelievable coincidence they were completely separate of from one another? I don't know anyone who thinks that. Not even the most outlandish conspiracy therapist. [/quote] Regarding your inquiry, no they are not mutually exclusive events. Ok how about this one? Why did they not mention a word about #7 in the official report? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 04/26/16 at 18:14:42 7D4F48595E4F58674B58412A0 wrote:
Unless I missed something, it did not show plane parts in the Pentagon. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 18:26:21 665453424554437C50435A310 wrote:
that "early reporting" lie has been debunked 1 million times. if it were true, (which its not) that means we now have to add a dozen or so CNN or BBC producers and reporters in on the conspiracy. stick to one topic. The Pentagon. Nothing else. [/quote] No, it Was reported, prior to falling. It's all one topic. 9/11 All that is Required of the Conspiracy Therapists is show a lie. Building 7 wasn't hit by a plane. And You don't get to reach into My post, drag out One element, and then pretend That is the full scope of this thread. Where are those widely distributed pictures? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 18:33:25 704245545342556A46554C270 wrote:
I did not say that and the only part of this event that I have commented on was building #7. I have not seen any subjective evidence supporting your position. You said: "There are plenty of photos of the remains of the plane inside the building." I have yet to see any pictures of plane parts inside the Pentagon. So, please save the rhetoric and show me some pictures. Best regards, [/quote] first, look up the "Pentagon building performance report". second, the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center are linked together. are you suggesting that by some unbelievable coincidence they were completely separate of from one another? I don't know anyone who thinks that. Not even the most outlandish conspiracy therapist. [/quote] Don't you just hate that? conspiracy therapist |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 18:45:57 [/quote] Regarding your inquiry, no they are not mutually exclusive events. Ok how about this one? Why did they not mention a word about #7 in the official report? Best regards,[/quote] oh Jesus f'ing Christ PG, think for a second. You honestly think hundreds of people, including at the highest levels of government, conspired to kill 25,000 + innocent Americans? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 19:22:39 So, because it's unthinkable to any decent person, you're willing to ignore evidence that it happened? Building 7 WAS reported Down, before it was Down. Building 7 Fell at so close to free fall speed that the only possible way for that to happen was, knock the framework out. Unless you are just afraid of the truth, go watch some stuff about Barry Jennings. I don't even care about when he died. Convenient, yes, but it could have been natural causes. But listen to what he says. William Rodriguez His report starts with The first explosion was in the basement. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 19:29:49 I'm not afraid, you are. How do you explain the testimony of the people who saw the plane fly in to the building? How do you explain what happened to to the passengers? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 19:58:37 Explain how buildings fall. How hard is it to get people to say they saw something? You know those peopl Just because someone Says they saw what the government wants them to see, means what? I WISH things were As Advertised My life would be much easier. But, I choose reality. Uncomfortable, but truthful. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by DesertRat on 04/27/16 at 00:22:56 724047565140576844574E250 wrote:
why not? Reichstag fire, anyone? and I can list a dozen + more false flags perpetuated by the U.S. ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/27/16 at 05:57:06 All you people who think a missile hit the Pentagon, raise your hands.... Okay, now all you insurance salesman, scam artist etc., take a good look around because here are your targets; they'll believe anything. Some of the things that would have had to happen: the plane that took off that morning would have needed to be quietly hi-jacked and diverted to land somewhere near by. Two passengers would have either had to be in on this or were threatened because those two made phone calls reporting their flight was hijacked. One of those callers was a popular Fox News personality and wife of the current solicitor general to the US, Ted Olson. Once that was done, all the passengers and crew would than need to be quickly murdered, hacked into small pieces and then burned. Those remains would have needed to be loaded into vehicles and driven near to the Pentagon and stored in vehicles along with dozens (?) of people who would have access to the soon to be burning Pentagon. The plane then would also need to be blown into tiny pieces and some of those pieces, including the blackbox, but also very heavy wheel supports, large sheets of aluminum fuselage, would need to also be transported near to the Pentagon and stored in waiting vehicles with people soon to have easy access to the burning building. Then a very similar plane would need to fly towards the Pentagon, low in the sky. Hundreds of people saw a plane (including my neighbor) but just as it was going into the building, a cruse missile would need to either have been fired from it or from somewhere near by into the building. In the ensuing fireball, the plane simply veered off and flew away. The planners were 100% confident no one would notice the plane gaining altitude and flying away. Now, the really difficult stuff begins. All those vehicles and people waiting nearby with body remains and airplane parts begin flooding the scene and placing the evidence in strategic places during the fire. After this was accomplished, the 100's of people involved in this disappeared and have never said a word. That's the bare minimum and only the start of what would have had to take place. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/16 at 13:32:22 Okay, Mark, I concede the point. Airplane Hit the Pentagon. Now, about building seven... Not hit by a plane And not included in the commission report. Why did it fall? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/27/16 at 14:41:52 Are we done with the pentagon? I'm not bouncing back and forth. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/16 at 15:20:56 What part of Okay, I'll give you the Pentagon. Now, on to Building 7 Is confusing? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/27/16 at 16:05:54 I'm driving, I'll get back later. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/16 at 18:41:16 Are we there yet? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by DesertRat on 04/27/16 at 21:37:26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0mQeLWCCo [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0mQeLWCCo[/media] |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 04/28/16 at 04:11:57 6B7C7A7679691B0 wrote:
Perhaps it is my computer; although, I have not seen any pictures? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/28/16 at 06:09:29 Easy Sparky.... I work you know. I got caught up in those Midwest storms. Visits got cancelled, fights were in jeopardy so I ended up driving back to St. Louis from Sioux City, actually a little ways even further north of there, so give me a break! Building 7 not in 9/11 report? Had no idea, I didn't read the entire report. I suspect it wasn't in there because it wasn't hit directly by a plane, just debris. How many buildings were destroyed that day when the towers fell? Several I would imagine. Were any other buildings included in the report? I was never at the WTC, but I imagine it was a sizable complex. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/28/16 at 06:14:59 382F29252A3A480 wrote:
Perhaps it is my computer; although, I have not seen any pictures? Best regards,[/quote] I think we're done with the Pentagon. Surely you can find them yourself however. I thought they were part of the PBPR, but if not, then they are easily found elsewhere. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/28/16 at 08:00:00 Hey, the request was made, I don't Run this. I said I am done with the Pentagon. It's clearly fruitless. Interesting logic, the 9/11 report talks about the Pentagon, not destroyed, and the towers, destroyed, but seven, which housed the offices and records of investigations ongoing into the loss of trillions of dollars, which, Entirely by coincidence, the records of those transactions were WHERE in the Pentagon? EXACTLY, right behind the Recently Reinforced Wall, the ONLY wall to get worked on, AND, the plane that Hit that wall had to make a descending turn, which many pilots with years of experience say they couldn't make. So, Abdul, who cant fly a Cessna, sees the Pentagon come into view. Rather than just dive into it, he makes a long descending turn, taking longer, giving the defenders Time to get to him and blow him out of the sky, but, he is somehow able to pull off a maneuver that is borderline impossible AND hit the Exact location where the records that could put people in jail were, Just like building seven. CIA headquarters, all kindsa high muckety muck people were officed there. If you have not read Barry Jennings account of what happened in there, you really should. It's not as obscure as pictures of the Pentagon. I don't believe what you believe about the Pentagon, but, it's just too hard to argue that one. Seven is the easiest place to shine a light on the lies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-911-woman-who-was-at-pentagon-remains-skeptical/2011/08/10/gIQAUtQDGK_story.html But, you will just dismiss it, So, how do steel reinforced buildings fall down without falling over? Two were damaged in the side, fire started . Was that fire equally hot at every vertical support? No. Have you ever heated steel and hammered it? Seriously, unless someone has watched metal go from rigid to malleable, they don't see the stages of strength it goes through. Steel does not go from rigid to fractured into forty foot long pieces. It's gonna sag, and IF the floors separated from the vertical support s and fell, knocking the next floor from its moorings, then the verticals would have been left standing. So, anything you want to talk about, seven, the towers, whatever. Hey, we can even talk about who was in charge of security right up until Juust before they fell. And who was the new guy who showed up at his new job and died that day? I'll remember or look it up... time to go. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by Serowbot on 04/28/16 at 08:12:13 Web, no matter how many theories you rebut,.. there'll always be ten more... Rather than poke each one,... just explain this... Why?... why create this Machiavellian plot to fake plane crashes?... Why not just blow up the buildings as conspirasists claim, and then say Muslim terrorists blew them up?... Seems like double the trouble... First you have to rig everything to blow up,.. then you have to rig this giant cover-up about planes... Why?... They could have still blown up what they wanted,... still blamed terrorists,... and still got all the perks (whatever they are?) of instilling terror... The planes are superfluous to the plot... :-/ Did they do it just 'cause it would be fun?... What?... :-? The added complication of this plot would be equivalent to draining yer' oil by turning yer' bike upside down... :P The actual terrorists did it that way,.. because it was easy. Ready supply of combustibles, in a prepackaged delivery vehicle. Just point it at what you want to blow up... KISS method... Keep it simple, stupid... |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/28/16 at 08:37:05 Hey, the request was made, I don't Run this. I said I am done with the Pentagon. It's clearly fruitless. Interesting logic, the 9/11 report talks about the Pentagon, not destroyed, and the towers, destroyed, but seven, which housed the offices and records of investigations ongoing into the loss of trillions of dollars, which, Entirely by coincidence, the records of those transactions were WHERE in the Pentagon? EXACTLY, right behind the Recently Reinforced Wall, the ONLY wall to get worked on, AND, the plane that Hit that wall had to make a descending turn, which many pilots with years of experience say they couldn't make. So, Abdul, who cant fly a Cessna, sees the Pentagon come into view. Rather than just dive into it, he makes a long descending turn, taking longer, giving the defenders Time to get to him and blow him out of the sky, but, he is somehow able to pull off a maneuver that is borderline impossible AND hit the Exact location where the records that could put people in jail were, Just like building seven. CIA headquarters, all kindsa high muckety muck people were officed there. If you have not read Barry Jennings account of what happened in there, you really should. It's not as obscure as pictures of the Pentagon. I don't believe what you believe about the Pentagon, but, it's just too hard to argue that one. Seven is the easiest place to shine a light on the lies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-911-woman-who-was-at-pentagon-remains-skeptical/2011/08/10/gIQAUtQDGK_story.html But, you will just dismiss it, So, how do steel reinforced buildings fall down without falling over? Two were damaged in the side, fire started . Was that fire equally hot at every vertical support? No. Have you ever heated steel and hammered it? Seriously, unless someone has watched metal go from rigid to malleable, they don't see the stages of strength it goes through. Steel does not go from rigid to fractured into forty foot long pieces. It's gonna sag, and IF the floors separated from the vertical support s and fell, knocking the next floor from its moorings, then the verticals would have been left standing. So, anything you want to talk about, seven, the towers, whatever. Hey, we can even talk about who was in charge of security right up until Juust before they fell. And who was the new guy who showed up at his new job and died that day? I'll remember or look it up... time to go Jog; I always hesitate to get involved with you on this because you will do what you've just done: switch topics constantly and never exhaust the discussion on one very specific topic. You do that for a very specific reason. As long as you can jump from topic to topic, the failings of your arguments are never completely discussed. I started with the Pentagon and listed the most probably series of events that would have had to occur for your belief a missile hit it to be true. You said you conceded the pentagon which I took to mean you could not explain the questions I raised so you moved on. Clearly you did not. So, explain to me in your own words, why the objections I listed, are wrong. Explain how hundreds of people saw the jet flying low towards the building Explain how jet parts were found in the building Explain what happened to the passengers who left their homes that morning and have never been seen again Explain how the remains of the passengers were found in the building If you don't, then we are once again done with this topic because you know your theories are built on a house of cards. If one card is pulled out, the whole thing collapses. (pardon the obvious metaphor....). if you can't explain the very simple, but monumentally obvious flaws I rasied in your "Pentagon hit my a missile" theory, then you're done. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/28/16 at 08:38:00 [quote author=5543544951444952260 link=1461678116/45#45 date=1461856333]Web, no matter how many theories you rebut,.. there'll always be ten more... quote] the worst part about this; is they put you and I on the same side of an argument.... ;) |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by Serowbot on 04/28/16 at 08:48:03 615354454253447B57445D360 wrote:
Tragic... :-? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/28/16 at 09:50:00 You get to use witnesses who you don't know hoot about. The one I used worked there. Filed lawsuits. I give her credibility. I don't see it the way you do. You think I am a weasel, willing to do anything to Win. Let me assure you, I would much prefer to believe that everything was as we were told. I go to several places to show you the preponderance of evidence, not to confuse. Have you figured out Why a pathetic excuse for a pilot would Waste Time by pulling a long sweeping turn instead of just diving into it? How did that plane not crash after hitting, what? 4 or 5 lamp posts? How is it, with All the surface area of the Pentagon, that this idiot managed to hit the very place where all those records were kept? And THAT ONE WALL had Just finished being "reinforced" Yeah,, how convenient. You know those engines lower extremities are below the bottom of the fuselage, right? And you've seen the pictures of the hole and how far off the ground the bottom of it is, and you also know that the grass wasn't messed up. So, I am to believe that this guy who can't fly a Cessna is somehow able to pull a maneuver that pilots of those planes say they couldn't do and then bring it in at four hundred miles per hour and Nail it, and the engines SUCKING huge amount of air, but didn't suck the grass up, didn't touch it, And, as April Gallup says, as she was sitting at her desk, the engine Should have been in her lap. Read Her statements. I Did, on 9/11 believe the story. It took a few days, then I started thinking.. Hey, wait a minute here... I have experience with steel. It's not gonna do what they say it did. And, Mark, you make an Excellent point. Other buildings Were destroyed that day. Huge holes in the rooves and gutted by fire.. And not one collapse of a building Not hit by a plane, except for seven... |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/28/16 at 10:01:01 Pentagon only. You answer my questions; I'll answer yours. Hundreds saw the plane flying low, dozens saw it fly directly into the building. Explain that. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/28/16 at 10:39:09 How did that plane not crash after hitting, what? 4 or 5 lamp posts? Are you suggesting a jet weighing 181,000 lbs and traveling at 530 mph is going to be stopped by light post? At those speeds, the plane tore through the post with no resistance. I got drunk and hit a light pole on the side of I-70 and knocked it over. Tore up my car, but the post fell. I was going maybe 40 mph in a 1500 lb car. How is it, with All the surface area of the Pentagon, that this idiot managed to hit the very place where all those records were kept? And THAT ONE WALL had Just finished being "reinforced" I don’t know anything about specific records being stored and I doubt anyone has real information about that. I have no answer for that other than: PENTAGON! 1 in 5 chance You know those engines lower extremities are below the bottom of the fuselage, right? And you've seen the pictures of the hole and how far off the ground the bottom of it is, and you also know that the grass wasn't messed up. I would refer you to figure 1.3 in the PBPR as well as Fig 3.8 and 3.12 and 5.3. Who the hell told you the grass wasn’t messed up? The area directly next to the building is covered in debris, you can’t even see the grass. and the engines SUCKING huge amount of air, but didn't suck the grass up, didn't touch it, The jet was traveling at 530 MPH when it hit. The grass would not have been sucked up at that speed. That’s ridiculous. The one I used worked there. Filed lawsuits. I give her credibility. See section 3.2 for eyewitness statements. Imagine you are on a jury. Who are you going to believe? Now, tell me what happened to the passengers who got on the plane that morning? They've never been seen since. How did their remains get in the building and how did plane parts get there? Who made those two calls from the plane just minutes before impact? Is it believable that hundreds saw the jet flying directly at building and dozens reported seeing the impact, but somehow they are wrong? your turn. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/28/16 at 15:09:29 Okay, Mark, planes were hijacked. You say one hit the Pentagon. I'm not convinced, but, that doesn't mean that the whole story we were told was true. One element of a big operation went as advertised. Now, on to another element. You made a really good point. Several buildings were gutted by falling debris and fire, but they didn't fall. Now, how do we explain how the towers came down? Have you ever soldered on a radiator? The heat required to get the work area hot before the mass of the radiator sucks the heat away is a consideration. The amount of heat required to compromise all the steel in a tower? There is no way that what we saw was sufficient. And, if you will check out what Architects and Engineers say about it, you'll probably come away, if not with a different opinion, at least with a few questions about the validity of the official story. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 04/28/16 at 20:12:08 The amount of heat required to compromise all the steel in a tower? The entire radiator is not heated to an equal temperature before the solder reaches its melting point. The immediate area undergoing heat is the hottest temperature and when it reaches the critical temperature, the solder melts. Steel begins losing its strength at relatively low temperatures. Thats why you can heat up and press a bearing or bend a bar using propane. If you heat a 10' foot bar in the middle you can bend it even though the ends of the bars are cooler. The entire bar doesn't need to reach "bending" temperature. So, in the tower, if the fires heated and weakened support columns and they began to buckle, the tower begins leaning to one side. You see that in videos. However, wouldn't the columns on the opposite side be stretched and damaged? With a great deal of force still pushing straight down, wouldn't those columns begin to collapse? Again, isn't that what you see? The tower tips slightly, then the entire thing falls downward. It still has momentum in one dierction so it wouldn't fall completely in its footprint which again is what you see. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/28/16 at 20:28:05 Go watch architects and engineers. Let professionals explain how it goes. It's very interesting. In order to Get the solder hot enough, you have to create enough heat, quickly enough, to overcome the heat sinking of the mass. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/16 at 15:35:47 Look at who these people are. Some very patriotic and passionate individuals in this list. None are morons. http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/#Honegger I'm in some pretty good company. And time spent watching videos presented by Architects and Engineers will demonstrate for those of us who are not math geniuses why it isn't possible for the buildings to collapse as they did as a result of fire. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by DesertRat on 05/01/16 at 16:32:35 since the initial report, there have been more than 3 skyscrapers completely gutted by fire, yet they still stand ... :o |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by DesertRat on 05/01/16 at 16:35:19 my favorite skyscraper fire, was in Dubai. the ENTIRE upper floors burnt CRISPY like a stick in a campfire ... left it looking like a burnt wooden match stick and yet you guessed it ... still f@#king standing ... :o |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/16 at 17:26:16 Yep, and all this after some neocon straight up announces We need a new Pearl Harbor type event. Microspheres of steel in the dust. The cement was powder before it hit the ground. Molten steel in the basement. The firefighters reported explosions, in rapid succession. There is nothing about the way they came down that makes sense. Considering that the structure is the Path of greatest resistance. And things move through the Path of least resistance. And given the fact that the structures were damaged asymmetrically , to expect them to fail symmetrically is not reasonable. Building demolition experts in other countries say they were demolished. But, it's just too much for some to bear, so, they refuse to see the obvious. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by DesertRat on 05/01/16 at 18:23:14 this video is AWESOME - https://youtu.be/sK50So-yYRU [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK50So-yYRU[/media] |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/16 at 19:00:12 Look at the fire! O M G. Just nothing but fire, pouring smoke from every window. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by DesertRat on 05/01/16 at 19:21:37 this one ROCKS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2E_m7l2Rww [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2E_m7l2Rww[/media] btw - there are rebuttals here that always remind me that we may have visitors working for the ministry of truth - http://www.computerworld.com/article/2470594/endpoint-security/army-of-fake-social-media-friends-to-promote-propaganda.html |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/16 at 19:41:13 A 100 ton plane makes a 100 TON mess. Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it." http://americanbuddhist.net Article 7/17/05: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 280 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."… "For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying." http://www.arcticbeacon.com Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous... It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile." http://911underground.com |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 05:11:53 So our distinguished Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot who flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years also believes the plane was quietly hijacked, passengers murdered, butchered into tiny pieces, burned into tiny fragments, hauled away to waiting vehicles with secret agents ready to spead the remains inside the buring building. Before they were killed, two were allowed to make calls to family members while I'm on the plane. The plane itself was dismantled and and severally damaged and also hauled to the pentagon with people waiting to haul the pieces of the plane inside. All this happened within an hour or so. The hundreds of witnesses who actually saw a missile, including my neighbor, were paid millions to say they saw a jet. Either that, or some form of mass hypnosis was used on all of them delivered over radio or some other method of wide spread dispersion. The President, Vice President and Secy of Defense were all on on this, all of whom today are retired and living relatively modestly, at least as modest as you can for ex-presidents and vice presidents. This, or something very close to this, is what your Capt Russ Wittenburg believes happens. And I'm suppose to take him seriously? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/02/16 at 06:05:33 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
How about posting a pick? I have yet to see a picture of a plane part in the pentagon. Yes, I looked up that report and did a google search. :-X Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/16 at 06:16:51 I read what the Captain said. Nowhere did he say what you said he said. Im supposed to believe that body parts survived a crash that evaporated all but a few pieces of a 100 TON airplane? It's completely nonsensical to believe that. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 07:11:06 7B6C6A6669790B0 wrote:
How about posting a pick? I have yet to see a picture of a plane part in the pentagon. Yes, I looked up that report and did a google search. :-X Best regards, [/quote] Sorry PG, I thought the report had photos, but it only talks about the debris and the damage it caused. See eyewitness statements and again on Page 40 of the report. Photos are elsewhere. I can't believe you can't find any. Look again. Anything I post, the source will immediately be dismissed as 'in on it'. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 07:24:50 I read what the Captain said. Nowhere did he say what you said he said. He didn't say that but what other explanation could there be? Passengers took off in the morning, two called to say they'd been hijacked, none of the them were ever seen again and their remains were found inside the Pentagon a couple hours later. Dozens saw a plane fly directly into the building. You never ever even try to answer those questions. You have to come up with a realistic explanation to those statements or you can't go any further. Yes, it's entirely believable only small recognizable pieces of the plane survived along with human remains. It took dozens of medical personnel working for months to identify the remains. As far as the alleged impossible flight path, what's the issue? An untrained pilot flies a path no trained pilot would take. Yea, that's not a surprise. Aren't you actually arguing in favor of my argument? When I was 8 or 9 and first riding, I did a whiskey throttle on a 100cc Suzuki dirt bike in our alley, bounced off some trashcans, hit a garage door, hit some more cans and used them as a ramp and somehow ending perched on top a chain link fence. The best trials rider on the best GAS-GAS could not have pulled that off if he tried a 100 times. So again, an untrained pilot flew like an idiot trying to hit a target and this surprises you because...............? But I'm not talking about an alleged flight path; you give me a realistic explanation how dozens of people saw the plane fly into the building and I'll consider the rest. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by Serowbot on 05/02/16 at 08:41:02 A controlled demolition takes 1,000's of pounds of explosives and miles of wiring,... weeks of preparation, knocking out walls, drilling into steel girders, creating blast walls to direct charges, etc... on multiple floors of multiple buildings... We are to assume this all happened without anyone noticing... No one stopped to wonder, "Hey?,.. what's all that jack-hammering and drilling?"... No Security or Police noticed anything odd... No one took a selfie... Then,... they didn't just blow it up... they waited for an elaborate cover-up plot involving impossible aerodynamics and requiring cover stories for 100's of fake deaths, timing of live fake video and audio, and planting of false evidence, and the disappearance of 4 jet liners. ... but then, they don't actually use the planes... they fake it, and then destroy the planes and kill all those people somewhere else and tote bits of wreckage and bodies to the sites. Why don't Conspiracy Theorists use the same skepticism they use to make up conspiracies to look at the extreme implausibility of the theories they put forward?... Instead of poking holes in facts,.. find one of those missing planes, or just one of those reported dead passengers still walking around. Just one camera showing a missile instead of a jet,... one cell phone image of detonation cord in the Towers... If the theory is true... there is much more evidence of this elaborate cover-up plot than there is of of the actual event. Find a tangible proof, rather than just disputing the evidence. Plenty of tangible evidence for the hijacked planes,... none for any missiles/demolition/missing planes/ missing people... |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/02/16 at 09:14:47 2533243921343922560 wrote:
Interestingly enough, do you know who was in charge of the security of the WTC? Marvin Bush was on the board of directors and another family member was the CEO from 1999 - 2002. What a coincidence, feel free to look it up if you would like. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by Serowbot on 05/02/16 at 09:17:10 Pentagon + plane = debris... http://https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/plane-debris.jpg http://https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/landing_gear_complete.jpg http://https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pentagondebris3.jpg http://supremelaw.org/cc/gwbush/pentagon/crane.lifting.parts.jpg http://https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pentagondebris8.jpg?w=668 http://https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pentagondebris3a.jpg?w=888 http://https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pentagondebris3b.jpg?w=665 http://https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pentagondebris1a.jpg?w=870 http://https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pentagon-wheel-01.jpg?w=825 http://https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pentagoninterior3.jpg?w=888 http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Screen-Shot-2014-09-06-at-9.38.54-AM.png http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/Flight_77_plane_debris_American_Airlines_wide.jpg |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 10:51:04 6671777B7464160 wrote:
Interestingly enough, do you know who was in charge of the security of the WTC? Marvin Bush was on the board of directors and another family member was the CEO from 1999 - 2002. What a coincidence, feel free to look it up if you would like. Best regards, [/quote] yes, it's a coincidence. Well actually not really. The Bushes are very influential family and have been around for a long time so it's not that big of a surprise that somebody was on the board of directors from the Bush family. Isn't it sort of like the relationship between the Bush family and the Hinckley family with regards to Reagan's shooting by John Hinckley. Both families were prominent players in the global oil market so is it really that big of a surprise that they knew each other, ran in the same circles, and both had business with the same Saudi oil company? No, in this case, it would be surprising if not downright shocking, if they didn't know each other. But let's assume you're right, then what? Contractors were working, drilling holes and installing "secret" equipment on the columns all-around one floor of a major building and nobody has said anything since then? imagine the disruption to a business if you had to install explosives around the perimeter of one entire floor of one of the World Trade Center columns? You probably couldn't even see the columns, you would have to move some partitions, take down wall panels, God only knows what else you would have to do. once you got it all wired up, then you would have to hope that the plane hit exactly on that particular floor and did not damage the explosives, so that when the time was right, you hit the button and sent the whole thing tumbling down. and, you had to do this twice. does that seem reasonable, even feasible, to you? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/16 at 12:51:34 “All I’m doing is asking questions. When you walk out barefoot and you don’t step on any plane parts. .[ch8201].[ch8201].” https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-911-woman-who-was-at-pentagon-remains-skeptical/2011/08/10/gIQAUtQDGK_story.html Her office was about fifty feet from the hole. That compressor fan is nowhere Near the size of those engine parts on a Jumbo jet. Where is the 100 tons. Of airplane? How does an aluminum tube break through several walls? Yet, those engines didn't? That puny little compressor fan is just about right for a cruise missile. Now, you're determined to fight to the death over the Pentagon. Understand that All the conspiracy theorists have to do is demonstrate one lie. I've posted links to interviews/statements by credible people. People who have flown these planes. Pilots with thousands of hours admit that even They couldn't maneuver that huge plane at those speeds, not to hit the Pentagon, not even the towers. Those planes that hit the towers were being controlled electronically. And, if you look closely, underneath the fuselage there is a pod of some sort, just under the wing root. Not something that belongs on a passenger jet. So, once again, let's just SAY a Jumbo Jet hit the Pentagon. And, let's move on. Pick one, Seven Either tower. Someone mentioned a skyscraper that burned, very badly, but it stood. How many times, as children, have we stacked things, and watched them fall Over? There is a Reason why professionals are called in to demolish buildings. If tossing gas in and lighting it up would bring one down, that is how it would be done. The structure didn't lean over, it fell down. And, in the case of 7, it accelerated at essentially free fall speed for about 100 feet. Watch the video.. I posted a link. You can see the penthouse drop in the middle of the roof, then the roofline stays almost perfectly straight, as it starts down. It's a classic demolition. Experts from other countries even say so. It's hardly even burning, certainly not fully engulfed, and it's only got office equipment in it, except for a fuel storage tank on a lower floor. It's not easily explained. Especially if experts, not government paid " experts ", are asked. Taking a stand on this topic is hazardous for business owners. Yet, some 1,500 architects and engineers have done just that. Spend some time looking at the models and listen to how they explain it. They show the frame by frame, measuring the distance fallen, time taken, calculations, showing just how close to free fall it is. Excerpt We know that the falling section of Building 7 did not crush the lower section of the building because the top section of Building 7 fell at freefall. It didn't just fall at something close to freefall. It fell for about 2.5 seconds at a rate that was indistinguishable from freefall. If the falling section of the building had crushed the lower section, the lower section would have pushed back with an equal but opposite force. But that would have slowed the fall. Since the fall was not slowed in the slightest, we can conclude that the force of interaction was zero... in both directions. http://www1.ae911truth.org/news-section/41-articles/872-freefall-and-building-7-on-911-by-david-chandler.html Watch the video, that is Observed Reality Read the article It explains what we saw without having to resort to magic. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 12:57:16 Understand that All the conspiracy theorists have to do is demonstrate one lie. Not true. What you HAVE to do is explain why people saw plane fly into building. If you can't do that, nothing else matters. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 13:21:12 But just for fun.....answer me this: “All I’m doing is asking questions. When you walk out barefoot and you don’t step on any plane parts. .[ch8201].[ch8201].” https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-911-woman-who-was-at-pentagon-r... Her office was about fifty feet from the hole. Okay, I can find a hundred testimonies that contradict hers. Why do you choose to listen to the 1 out 100? That compressor fan is nowhere Near the size of those engine parts on a Jumbo jet. 1) What compressor fan? 2) What size compressors are associated with the APU on that jet? 3) How many different compressors are on that model jet? Where is the 100 tons. Of airplane? It was removed in the same manner the wreckage and debris is always removed, in pieces over a long period of time. How does an aluminum tube break through several walls? If you read the PBPR, you'd see that the "mass" of the plane punctured a hole inwards about 300' I believe. Yet, those engines didn't? Actually, they did. Read the report. That puny little compressor fan is just about right for a cruise missile. And just how big is a cruise missile compressor? You really have never read that report or if you did, don't have the mechanical / rudimentary engineering skill to understand it. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/16 at 13:21:55 No plane hit seven. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 13:45:02 No one denies that. Here; I'll give you a definitive statement: a plane did not hit 7. Now, you give me a definitive statement: What did the people see who swear they saw a plane fly into Pentagon? Why can't you just answer that? Come on, tell me what they really saw. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/16 at 14:07:38 If it'll make you happy, they saw what was left of a two hundred thousand pound airplane. Of which only a few small parts could be found. Now, on, to building seven. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 14:15:15 What? My neighbor saw the plane flying low towards the wall on the other side. Hundreds of others saw the same thing. Dozens actually watched the plane fly directly into the wall. I'm confused by what you mean. You are saying they saw "what was left of a two hundred thousand pound airplane" doing what? Flying? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 14:16:43 ....and you're purposely not answering my question. You're like Marco Rubio in that debate when Christie couldn't believe he answered the same question 3 times with the same non-answer talking points. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/16 at 14:28:59 You're convinced. Im skeptical. It's not a big deal, plenty of ground to cover. And, since seven wasn't hit by a plane and since seven went down with all four corners collapsing simultaneously, while it was clearly not engulfed in flames, how did that happen? This is where I keep saying, Look at the video of it fall. If that's not enough to make people question things, okay, cruise on. Keep believing. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 14:39:53 Jesus H Christ! I must really be Chris Christie! I just said you were dodging the question like Rubio and you did it again just like Rubio! Holy $hit Jog. Answer the question. What did those people see that said they saw a plane fly directly into the side of the Pentagon? Give me a believable explanation. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/16 at 16:24:23 I wasn't there. I have seen some pictures. THERE IS NO JUMBO JET THERE. That's MY opinion. You see the picture of the compressor fan ? It's Tiny. It's Not from one of the two main engines on a Jumbo jet. So, you can believe whatever about the Pentagon. It's really not all there is to figure out in order to decide whether or not we were lied to. Onward, to building seven! |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/02/16 at 16:34:42 112324353223340B27342D460 wrote:
Reasonable, that would depend if you can benefit in some capacity with the buildings be knocked down. Feasible, yes. Knocking buildings over are not a difficult task. I'm not an expert on the demolition of buildings; although, I suppose all it would take are charges on the main support pillars. Let's say every other floor or every third floor. I did see first hand how a professional fireworks group shoots off fire works on the 4th of July. It was a large panel 4' x 2' with multiple many switches. They also had 2 laptops tied in some capacity. After it was wire-up all they do is hit the switches in the proper sequence. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/02/16 at 16:42:20 796F78657D68657E0A0 wrote:
I appreciate the effort Bot. The only picture shown that is very convincing to me is the one with the crane and what appears to be the wings. I will admit that is pretty hard to dispute. The guys holding pieces of aluminum cover doesn't convince me of anything. I was hoping to see indisputable evidence of parts in the building. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/02/16 at 16:46:09 Is that a wooden stool with a book on it in the middle? How can that be? The heat was strong enough to bring down solid steel sky scrapers. http://911review.org/images/snopes/119PentagonDamage2.JPG Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by Serowbot on 05/02/16 at 17:09:09 How can that be?... Use some logic here... It can be... because it is. ...whether the building came down from a plane or controlled demolition, the building did come down.. and stool with a book didn't... Reality is what it is... It is evidence of nothing... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/02/16 at 17:48:12 3D2B3C21392C213A4E0 wrote:
How about this? This is Tim Roemeer, he was the 9/11 commissioner. He admits it was a missile, then corrects himself. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUmr9dFbf2c[/media] Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/16 at 18:07:39 Joseph Maxwell "Max" Cleland (born August 24, 1942) is an American .... Before his resignation, he said that the Bush administration was "stonewalling" and blocking the committee's access to key ... The truth was So wanted that The investigation began in Spring, 2003. How would you like that if your ( fill in the blank ) was killed? Never before, Never since Steel reinforced high rise collapse. On one day, Three. And more money was spent investigating Clinton's BJ than the stand down of our defenses. Norman Minetta https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo7XAj4RUz0 |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 18:15:56 Reasonable, that would depend if you can benefit in some capacity with the buildings be knocked down. Feasible, yes. Knocking buildings over are not a difficult task. hell, I benefited from 9/11. Got a week's vacation in Boise free on the company cause we were stuck out there. Ate steak and drank beer every night. Guess I'm a suspect now cause that's reasonable. Knocking over two of the largest office buildings in the world without anyone knowing is a pretty difficult task. I'm not an expert on the demolition of buildings; although, I suppose all it would take are charges on the main support pillars. Let's say every other floor or every third floor. 25000 people worked in those towers. you think you could do that without anyone knowing? I did see first hand how a professional fireworks group shoots off fire works on the 4th of July. It was a large panel 4' x 2' with multiple many switches. They also had 2 laptops tied in some capacity. After it was wire-up all they do is hit the switches in the proper sequence. Best regards, [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/02/16 at 18:31:01 Knocking over two of the largest office buildings in the world without anyone knowing is a pretty difficult task. Difficult yes; however, not terribly difficult. Especially if you had the security detail on the take. No one is going to go through the lobby in plain sight everyday. They are going to use a service entrance and use service elevators. Just another guy with a bad mustache driving another van to service area. Keep in mind, the key is the security detail. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/02/16 at 18:43:45 Here is disturbing question to ask? Why did NO RAD not respond in a timely manner? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 18:44:43 No, it's not. It's f'ing impossible. It's thousands of pounds, strapped around columns on the exact same floors the planes hit. Despite the impact ripping through the floors, all the explosives stayed intact in both buildings. Think a moment, could that happen? It's just impossible. It wasnt a coordinated inside job. the hundreds or thousands of people required to pull this off and to remain silent alone makes it impossible. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 18:45:33 7B6C6A6669790B0 wrote:
Thats in the 9/11 report. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/02/16 at 18:53:52 Do you still have that V-Strom? Do you still think highly of it? The local shop has a left over at a very fair price? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 19:14:56 Buy it if you do 90% on road, 5% gravel, 5% dirt trails. Anything more off road, get a GS. I load it up with fishing and camping gear and have a spot thats 4 hours away. 1 1/2 interstate, 1 1/2 curvey 2 lane and the rest gravel and finally dirt trail. Works fine on all 3, but I wouldn't want to tackle gravel/dirt in the rain or really steep downhills. It's very comfortable on the interstate. But that decision requires reasonable analysis which based on this conversation topic, you don't have. ;) Come on, that was funny, I don't care who you are. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/16 at 19:25:13 Yep, can't be done. Mark, just because you can't grasp how, doesn't mean it can't be done. I don't get calculus, but it still happens. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/05/people-could-have-planted-bombs-in-the-world-trade-center-without-anyone-noticing.html Until you LOOK for what conflicts with what you believe, you won't find it. If the events of 9/11were readily acceptable, we wouldn't see so many pointing out the inconsistencies. You have yet to address the firefighters reports of molten steel. The firefighters reported quick succession of explosions, likening them to demolition charges. There are too many anomalies to just shrug and accept the official story. Do you really not question any of it? Never before have planes been off course and not intercepted. Never before have steel reinforced buildings fallen from fire. And all this shortly after the announcement We need a new Pearl Harbor. Have you Looked at the credentials of some of these people who Don't believe the story? Generals, pilots, engineers, architects, educated and experienced people. But what you find comfort in is a story by the government. Who Gained? Me? You? No. The Federal Government gained. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/16 at 19:56:14 Mark, just because you can't grasp how ...and here it is, this is the heart of the matter. I do grasp how it COULD happen your, but when I think it through, I grasp why it didn't happen your way. Again, you refuse, absolutely refuse, to explain what the people saw at the Pentagon. You do this because you know the ridiculousness of you position would be exposed. So when you answer that, I'll talk some more. Until then, no more. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 04:18:43 Look up non sequitur. Whether a plane or missile hit the Pentagon has exactly no bearing on seven. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/03/16 at 06:25:41 1C2E29383F2E39062A39204B0 wrote:
Sums up the story of my life. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/16 at 06:28:01 not moving on to 7 yet. Now, I have the answers you need for building 7 but I'm not going there until we finish this topic: explain to me what you think the people saw fly into the Pentagon. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/16 at 06:31:31 2C3B3D313E2E5C0 wrote:
Sums up the story of my life. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Best regards,[/quote] honestly, it's about the best all-around motorcycle I've ever owned. I can ride at freeway speeds for 200 miles with no problem between fillups. any longer than that and your butt will fall off. I can ride on twisty roads pretty fast, it handles surprisingly well and I can take it off on an occasional gravel road. I cannot believe a BMW GS 650 or 700 or 800 or certainly even the big 1200 is that much better. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 07:13:23 093B3C2D2A3B2C133F2C355E0 wrote:
No, you want me to tell you what you believe. I'm done with the Pentagon. Maybe it's a Jumbo jet, but pilots with thousands of hours say that maneuver is impossible. Believe what you want. You Do know that there are places in life where we walk away and accept that knowing, positively, one way or another, just isn't possible. You're firmly convinced that an airliner hit the Pentagon, I'm not. But, just for the sake of argument, let's just say it did. Now, if an airliner hit the Pentagon, does that mean that the whole 9/11 official report is truthful? That's a non sequitur, again. There are many elements to the events of the day. I've provided links to statements by professional pilots. Links to structural experts. Links are in this thread to known demolitions. Link to Seven, coming down, and looking Ever so much like a controlled demolition. If you have the info on seven, you should share it with the world, because the controversy has cost the government a lot of trust in it by the people. You have no idea how much comfort it would be to be able to wake up in the morning anot believe that rogue elements inside the government pulled this off. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by raydawg on 05/03/16 at 07:24:41 Look you guys, a dead horse don't care if its whipped.... Trying to get someone to believe something they can't, especially something as complex as this based on physical evidence, well, we have seen pictures of a hay straw being driven through a telephone pole from the destruction of a tornado, WTF, how, why..... 911 was catastrophic, plain and simple..... And remember too folks, sitting in the highest office of our nation, in charge of decisions that impact all our lives, says a member stuck in someone else's mouth is NOT sex, and a whole slew of people BELIVE THAT, so..... ;D |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by Serowbot on 05/03/16 at 08:02:55 I'm puttin' it to bed. Life's too short. :-? Web,... yer' tryin' to teach a chicken to bark... ;D |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 09:21:06 The point remains, even if a plane hit the Pentagon, that doesn't prove explosives weren't used in seven. So, since you have the information about seven, put it out. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/16 at 09:40:32 6F796E736B7E73681C0 wrote:
It's a train wreck I can't bring myself not to look at. I sometimes watch the television show, Hoarders, because I just can't believe the tricks the human mind will go through in order to convince itself of something. I won't give up with JOG. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/16 at 09:48:19 You Do know that there are places in life where we walk away and accept that knowing, positively, one way or another, just isn't possible. You're firmly convinced that an airliner hit the Pentagon, I'm not. But, just for the sake of argument, let's just say it did. Now, if an airliner hit the Pentagon, does that mean that the whole 9/11 official report is truthful? I agree, the whole 9/11 report is not truthful. but define truth. The infamous 28 pages which will probably be released soon, are not lies. we will probably find out they were withheld because the ramifications from what they say would have disrupted foreign-policy at a time when the people in power in the US government decided it wasn't worth poking that bear. I think they're going to show the Saudis had people fairly high up in the government who may have had some ideas that attack was imminent but they decided it was better for these maniacs to turn their attention to the United States as opposed to their country. as a manager over dozens of employees at various times in my working life, I withheld information because I felt it was better for the company if those people didn't know the truth. if you want to call that a lie, go ahead. but nothing I've seen leads me to believe senior management in the bush administration even the president and vice president themselves new, and were complicit, in planning and carrying out the attacks. That's utterly ridiculous. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 11:37:47 The Israelis who were arrested and released said they were here to document the event. If the interpreter is to be believed. I posted a link to the interview they had on T.V.after they got home. Someone knew. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/16 at 11:49:50 No they didn't and no they weren't. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 12:25:09 Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1 Might wanna rethink that. If you go back and watch the video I posted a link for, you'll see them interviewed. You can have your own opinions, but facts is facts. Again, I don't speak the language, so, the interpreter becomes important. This, however , has been covered by quite a few people, I would hope that IF the original report was created by intentionally "translating " what was said to English and saying something that he didn't say that someone would have challenged it by now. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/16 at 14:42:26 do you see what you've done? like a clever spider you've lured me into your web. We never finished the Pentagon , but we moved on supposedly to WTC 7, but now you jumped to the dancing Israelies, a myth impossible to prove or disprove. Aw.....the predictable methods of a truther... Nope, one topic at a time. So, for the record, Jog believes it was one of the hijacked planes that flew into the Pentagon. He no longer thinks anything suspicious about the event because the overwhelming evidence points to only one logical conclusion. So, if we agree on that statement above, we can move on to WTC – 7. Deal? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by pg on 05/03/16 at 16:05:02 Deal? I don't believe JOG will concede to the statement above. Shall we move on to #7? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by Serowbot on 05/03/16 at 16:56:17 You want a conspiracy?... here's a conspiracy... Once Bush pronounced nuclear,.. "nukular",... every Republican and right-wing media outlet started saying "nukular"... That was a conspiracy to make GW look like less of an idiot... It didn't work... it just made all them look like idiots. :-?... |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by raydawg on 05/03/16 at 18:14:25 1006110C14010C17630 wrote:
You sure, I mean, like, it is is the meaning, I guess if it depends on what the meaning of is, is..... Lots O' idiots it seems ;D |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 19:09:28 If this discussion were solely based on what the logical conclusion IS, we wouldn't be having it. You would understand that what we were told is not possible according to physics. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/16 at 19:32:51 Jog, you cant tell me one thing about 9/11 that violates physics. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 19:48:35 You can't cause a structural failure with fire unless you pump air in. Grab some logs, build a fire, toss a two inch I beam on it. Watch what happens. It won't get hot enough to work it, like a blacksmith. Watch a blacksmith. Look at how hot he has to get steel to shape it. Understand that buildings aren't BUILT just to hold the Expected load. They are built to withstand fire possibly detracting from the strength of it. The path of least resistance is how things fall. Every vertical support had to fall away at the exact same time for seven to fall with the roofline so flat AND, it Accelerated at Free Fall Speed for a coupla seconds. Impossible. Unless someone blows the legs out from under it. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/16 at 20:37:27 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
....and here is where you and the other truthers are so very wrong. Watch the video again. One second intervals. Forget your preconceived biases and obseve details. What do you see? i saw it right away. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 21:07:33 You can post a link. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/03/16 at 21:11:44 Jog, there's really only one video of wtc 7 falling. watch it, pause every second and observe. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/16 at 21:28:20 I'm not going back through eight pages. Post a link. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/04/16 at 06:42:13 I never posted a link. Seriously, google it. There's only one significant view of the collapse. If I show you a link, you'll doubt the source. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by Serowbot on 05/04/16 at 07:02:50 WTC7... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI[/media] |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/04/16 at 07:04:29 Well, I posted a link. So, I guess you didn't bother. You say there is only one, I don't think so. Let's see yours. And what ever possessed you to pause, start, pause it? |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/04/16 at 07:21:06 cause I wanted to see for myself instead of being told. Try it sometime... I'm off to the airport, actually coming towards you, Dallas. If a SWA flight out of St. Louis crashes heading towards Dallas, I trust you to research it for me.... |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by Serowbot on 05/04/16 at 07:30:37 Web,... did you ever see "Up in the Air"?... You're George Clooney... ;D ...(oh, the irony)... Loved Anna Kendrick in that... so cute... |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/04/16 at 08:09:03 0A383F2E29382F103C2F365D0 wrote:
I'll just declare a win by default. You better have a visa and passport. I don't think Texas allows foreigners in without documentation unless they are coming out of Mexico. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/04/16 at 08:59:54 4157405D45505D46320 wrote:
Every business traveler watched that movie. In fact, a lot was filmed here in St Louis because we had an empty terminal at the airport after Twa merged with AA and moved hub to Dallad. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by WebsterMark on 05/04/16 at 09:00:59 I'll just declare a win by default I knew you'd quit when cornered. |
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Title: Re: Have you put it to bed? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/04/16 at 13:44:04 You die in a crash aNd somehow I m cornered? Maybe you didn't read what you said,, |
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