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Message started by WebsterMark on 04/25/16 at 06:01:36

Title: ShotSpotter
Post by WebsterMark on 04/25/16 at 06:01:36

saw an article about this in my local paper this morning. I've never heard of this before. 62 cities have microphones / sensors attached to light poles for examples. They're designed to pick up gunfire noises.

When gunfire is detected, assuming the local police Department subscribes to the service, the location of the fire immediately downloads into a map that the police see. The Service also stores all the data from where the gunfire was located which is used for statistical analysis. I downloaded the report but it's just a summary. I didn't see an easy way to see the detail. I'd really like to see the up detail by city/ by ZIP Code.

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by pg on 04/25/16 at 06:09:28

Do you really believe they are there solely to pick up the sound of gun fire?

Best regards,

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/16 at 06:45:05

6374727E7161130 wrote:

Do you really believe they are there solely to pick up the sound of gun fire?

Best regards,

Ha! Beat me to it...

Yeah, stand under one of those Gunfire Detectors, Shooting the Bull with a buddy. Discuss quietly how much the mayor needs to die and how much you are going to do about it.. See what happens..I won't help pay your bail.

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by DesertRat on 04/25/16 at 07:01:05

and here you thought 1984 was a work of fiction, not their instruction manual ... ;)

Quote:

... ShotSpotter is ideally suited for "civilian and critical infrastructure" ...

Unlike counter-sniper sensors which can only measure a limited range of sounds ... when the array picks up a shot(s), it tells you where the gun was fired (right down to exact latitude/longitude and street address); how many shots were fired, and at what time; the position of the shooter (and if he's moving, how fast and in what direction) ...

ShotSpotter arrays have gone live, at one point or another, in over 70 US cities.

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by WebsterMark on 04/25/16 at 10:18:48

OK, hold up. Everything is not a conspiracy.

I was asking if anyone had ever heard of this before, because I had not.

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by Serowbot on 04/25/16 at 10:32:24

My Savage is gonna' drive them nuts!... ;D

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/16 at 11:00:29

I didn't Say it Doesn't Do what they say. I didn't say it's a conspiracy. It's just a sales job.
We will make you safe.
How?
By Not listening to them?
Who would be silly enough to hand a government that is listening to every conversation on a phone a high class microphone and expect them to Not eavesdrop?

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by oldNslow on 04/25/16 at 11:02:46

They installed a number of these gadgets in Rochester NY several years ago. There was a bit of fanfare when they were first put up, a lot of the talk was focused on how much the city was paying for the system, but I haven't heard much about them since. My impression is that they have not proven to be much help as a crime fighting tool. There are shootings pretty much nightly in the "sportier" sections of town, and the police still generally figure out where the shots came from the old fashioned way; by the location of the guy on the sidewalk with blood running out of him.

A depressing number of these shootings aren't ever solved, mostly because the denizens of the neighborhoods where they tend to occur don't cooperate with the police. In fact the victims, the ones that survive, quite often refuse to help. I don't recall a single instance where the "ShotSpotter actually led to an arrest.

I think the primary beneficiary of the" ShotSpotter" is the outfit that sold it to the city government.

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/16 at 11:37:56

police still generally figure out where the shots came from the old fashioned way; by the location of the guy on the sidewalk with blood running out of him.

Tragic And funny, gotta love that.

I knew a guy who got shot, sitting in his car. I guess the shooter was trying to shoot him in the temple, either outright failed or the target moved. Bullet went into the sinuses. He drove to the ER, wouldn't tell the cops who did it. I'm pretty sure whoever it was would have rather dealt with the cops.

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by pg on 04/25/16 at 13:39:56

OK, hold up. Everything is not a conspiracy.

This one is for sure.....

Whoever is in possession of the Stingray can figure out who, when, and to where you are calling, the precise location of every device within the range, and with some devices, even capture the content of your conversations.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-21/whistleblower-exposes-exactly-how-government-spies-your-cell-phone

Best regards,

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/16 at 14:35:27

However uncomfortable the truth may be, I choose to know IT ,rather than accept a comfortable lie.

The fact is,

CLEMENTE: 'No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.'
BURNETT: 'So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.'
CLEMENTE: 'No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319789/ALL-phone-calls-US-recorded-accessible-government-claims-FBI-agent.html#ixzz46sNnePHL
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Read Carefully the part about NOT wanting to use it in court.

Do you understand why not?

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by DesertRat on 04/25/16 at 15:14:42

"Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories." - Sun Tzu

OR live like sheep ...

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/16 at 15:20:43

The art of war...

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by DesertRat on 04/25/16 at 15:23:00

6E5C5B4A4D5C4B74584B52390 wrote:

OK, hold up. Everything is not a conspiracy.

ummm, YES, it IS a conspiracy ...

Legal Definition of conspiracy

1
: an agreement between two or more people to commit an act prohibited by law or to commit a lawful act by means prohibited by law; also : the crime or tort of participating in a conspiracy

Simple Definition of conspiracy
: a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal
: the act of secretly planning to do something that is harmful or illegal

1
: the act of conspiring together
2
a : an agreement among conspirators
b : a group of conspirators

Synonyms of conspiracy
plot, intrigue, machination, conspiracy, cabal mean a plan secretly devised to accomplish an evil or treacherous end. plot implies careful foresight in planning a complex scheme <an assassination plot>. intrigue suggests secret underhanded maneuvering in an atmosphere of duplicity <backstairs intrigue>. machination implies a contriving of annoyances, injuries, or evils by indirect means <the machinations of a party boss>. conspiracy implies a secret agreement among several people usually involving treason or great treachery <a conspiracy to fix prices>. cabal typically applies to political intrigue involving persons of some eminence <a cabal among powerful senators>.

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by WebsterMark on 04/25/16 at 18:35:20

u
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So this is just another version of red light cameras?

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by oldNslow on 04/25/16 at 19:07:03

"So this is just another version of red light cameras?"

Not exactly. We have red light cameras here in Rochester also. The "official" justification is the same - public safety - but, regardless of how one feels about the cameras - I don't like them - they at least generate some revenue for the city government in the form of fines. The ShotSpotters don't do that. They just cost the city money to maintain and monitor, without producing any worthwhile benefit IMO.

Of course, like the ShotSpotters, the red light cameras primarily benefit the companies that sell and install them. I believe the city only gets a portion of the income from the fines that they generate.

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/16 at 19:10:36

You've been shown things that demonstrate the amount of effort They will go to in order to invade our privacy. Equating microphones with red light cameras, which, BTW,I've been ticketed by several times and Never Paid a dime on, is just a demonstration of an unwillingness to accept the truth.

Reminds of when you could have discovered so much,, just by spending some time, talking to a few people.

Why didn't you do it? Afraid to discover the truth?

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/16 at 05:17:09

is just a demonstration of an unwillingness to accept the truth.

Reminds of when you could have discovered so much,, just by spending some time, talking to a few people.

Why didn't you do it? Afraid to discover the truth?

Oh stuff it Jog. I read your stuff and one 1 out of 20 has value, the rest is nonsense. You would know the truth if it smacked you in the head. If it did, you'd think it was frozen contrail residue falling from a spy plane from that secret group that runs the world.....

I tend to agree with OldnSlow on this, somewhat. It's primarily a success story by the company who devised the microphones and found a way to sell it to police departments. Whether it works or not is secondary in their monds. They made money off the deal. Red light cameras are the worst. St. Louis is on again, off again because of lawsuits against them. Right now, we're off but the drop off in fines means another little municipality will try their hand using them. The last thing I saw was less than half paid them. I never got one and wouldn't pay it if I did.

Really, the sales job SpotShooter did was brilliant from a business point of view. it's not all that much different than the climate change scare. Create a demand and be ready with the supply. Make people thing there's a dire problem that affects them and sell a solution. Gun violence doesn't really affect those outside of a few zipcodes in each major city. Thats why I wanted to see the raw data.

Title: Re: ShotSpotter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/16 at 05:55:07

I guess people just don't remember what a sky looked like in the sixties and seventies. The contrails ALL dissipated as the planes raced across the sky. Now, some do , some don't.

Go look at weather satellite images. Note the streaks. Note, in particular, the streaks are over populated areas.