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Title: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/19/16 at 04:24:13 Are we, collectively, responsible for the seemingly crappy choices for a leader? Think first of how some of the media covers events, how we search for stories to affirm our views instead of challenging them..... How we see the aggressiveness of Trump and BLM, etc, as a "norm" , instead of a symptom of a system that has lost all decorum. I think a bridge/link in common with mass shootings, is the effect of this mindset when pushed too far, on those of weaker mental capacity. You think I am wrong, I don't. We scoff at ISIS as barbaric, but what we have done is to fine tune the energy behind actions, as in the "end justifies the means" ...... And once in power we will restore the "sanity" after we get what we want..... Look how the politicians do 180 degree reversals, when they are in/out of power, on polices. You can't put the genie back in the bottle, I think we are witnessing that. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Paraquat on 04/19/16 at 06:00:02 Like I've said here before... I either want to pull it back or push it over the edge. I'm tired of this in-between. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/16 at 06:59:53 I agree Steve. I'm torn between demanding an all out culture war and continuing this "media war" so as to preserve 'the Union'.... to steal a thought from Lincoln. Why do we allow so few with no brains to have so much influence? and why, when they are so obviously f'd up, do we still have to hear from them everywhere the 'news' is on? Why can Bruce Springsteen cancel a concert that some people already invested time and money buying tickets and perhaps scheduling vacation day etc... because he has an objection to a NC law, but militant lesbos can sue a baker into bankruptcy because they have an objection?.... Just exactly what's the difference? Couldn't a NC resident who purchased tickets and scheduled vacation sue Springsteen and force him to perform? Why not? 40 years ago as a starving artist, Springsteen would have sung for Westboro Baptist Church if it gave him a chance to sing and cash a check. Our movie and rock stars are wimps. SNL will do a skit about God being a boob-man with no fear of some guy walking in their office and unloading a few clips into them, but they'd never have the balls to do a skit about Mohammad digging tweeners. (which could make a funny skit by the way....) Both Springsteen and SNL are pu$$ies, liberal pu$$ies. I don't know....., maybe we do need a new civil war. Liberal pu$$ies against everybody else. Take away their culture platforms and their influence shrinks to next to nothing because by sheer numbers, they are in the minority. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/19/16 at 07:51:52 Yes, good points, but..... When the left complains about Rush, etc, firstly there was a void, or lack of representation in the media. Rush filled it, he didn't create it. We can use this void argument either way, and come to the realization at some point we will have to agree to disagree, or else.... I still find it funny that the left believes they are tolerant, they are not, Asa whole. You have seen their intolerance in education, on campus, and in the news reporting.... I think anybody can get people to agree with them IF you pick a group that already agreed with you ;D Why is being on the fence, or a middle of the roader, frowned upon by both sides? Isn't moderation in all things key to many ills? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/16 at 09:08:13 Why is being on the fence, or a middle of the roader, frowned upon by both sides? Isn't moderation in all things key to many ills? Because the left are, as a whole, unhappy. They know they are in the wrong and rather than admit it, they try to drag society down to their level. As I said, the liberal left are basically children, selfish children at that. There's no reason why a young boy who thinks he's a girl has a right to use the girl's bathroom. That's just f'ing silly and anyone whose in favor of this needs their head examined. No, that's not right either because shrinks are all liberals too (like teachers and education administrators) so that would be like the fox guarding the henhouse. There's no reason why this bathroom law should be an issue except the liberal left sees an opportunity to drag the rest of the world into their gutter. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Paraquat on 04/19/16 at 09:23:19 http://i.imgur.com/NoWOK3Q.jpg Why is one acceptable and the other is not? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/16 at 09:53:31 Why is one acceptable and the other is not? Good question. Now, whose got a good answer? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/19/16 at 10:04:29 You are supposing a moral equivalence where there is none. The right to act as a bigot, is not equivalent to the right to act against one. You cannot equate a child molester with a molested child. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/19/16 at 10:31:07 Nice play on words bot, but apples and oranges..... Staying with the same thought and question, why is a white man using the word Niger cause for all sorts of repercussion but not so if a black person uses the word? Or violence, a staple in rap music, or Hollywood productions, but just owning a gun is suspect? Morality is a slippery slope when the government has to decide the actions/rights of its citizens, I believe this is one element of separation, but the left has no qualms about mandating their moral beliefs/choices on opposing folks.... Are we gonna govern over butt-hurt, or shall we put on big boy panties and practice sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/19/16 at 10:40:00 Wear 'em if you got 'em... Dawg... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/16 at 11:49:22 You are supposing a moral equivalence where there is none. The right to act as a bigot, is not equivalent to the right to act against one. You cannot equate a child molester with a molested child. big·ot. [ch712]bi[ch609][ch601]t] NOUN 1.a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions: Aren't those people who force their views on me bigots? Why am I a bigot for objecting to those views being forced on me, but they are not bigots for being intolerant towards my views? In fact, they are not just objecting to my views, they are demanding I accept their views? Is the definition of bigot a two way street or is it only a one way street? A serious question by the way. Why do Michael Moore, Springsteen etc.. get to voice their bigoted views with impunity, but I get crucified? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/19/16 at 13:21:33 I guess a free market dictating what the sheep need is only a reality in a make believe world...... Look how it works, Bot wants to watch me put my panties on, it must hold some sort of value to him ;D |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/19/16 at 15:14:06 Why do Michael Moore, Springsteen etc.. get to voice their bigoted views with impunity, but I get crucified? [/quote] Because THEY are promoting Tahluwrunts, and You want simply to cling bitterly to the Neanderthal ways that made America good. Don't you find it hilarious that the same people who demand such perverted freedoms for queers Also demand that We step back and let the Refugees in, the same refugees who live in a religious frenzy of hatred for queers and KILL THEM? Idiocy truly is boundless. The Boss can crappity smack himself. No loss to me, After that mindlessly repetitive Bourne inthu Yewessaaa, I hated him. God, those idiots I worked with couldn't get enough of it. Seriously, how many times do you have to hear the same words in four minutes before you go nuts? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Ed L. on 04/19/16 at 15:51:40 Ray, if you are wearing panties which bathroom are you going to use? ;) |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/16 at 18:09:26 1C3D061577590 wrote:
Either one. All you have to do a self identify whichever gender has the shortest bathroom line..... I should rethink my position on this. At Sporting events, the ladies bathroom is always the one with longest line, for a lot of reasons. They wash their hands more often, they generally take longer, and there's fewer women's bathrooms, usually. At airports, most of the time, the men's line is longer cause more men than women fly. so at a sporting events, a woman can just self identify as a man and breeze right into the men's room. At an Airport, I'll just call myself WebsterMartha and I'll use the ladies room. I guess you liberals are smart after all ..... |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/19/16 at 23:29:36 It's a hard issue to deal with... but do consider this... Where were these people before?... They did exist... The issue is, can they choose?... but they did exist before. Are you any more comfortable with a woman or man that identifies differently using either toilet?... Do you feel your daughter safer with a lesbian woman in her bathroom than a man that identifies as woman?... Are you more comfortable pissin' next to a woman that identifies as a man, or a man that is gay?,,, It's really all too confusing... but... these people do exist... and they will use a bathroom... They existed before this was an issue... and we have all shared a bathroom with them. We just didn't know. ...and we probably still won't... It's really a non-issue... It won't be comfortable either way... ...but it won't change the fact that there are people that don't feel that either door applies... Maybe we just need unisex bathrooms... Deciding that people be assigned bathrooms based on your criteria rather than theirs, won't make these people disappear. It's my impression that those who are against this, are wishing the problem didn't exist, rather than facing it practically. Consider it,.. realistically and pragmatically... :-/ Denial, ain't a river in Egypt... Does forcing them to be more uncomfortable, make you any more comfortable?... It makes no sense... but it is what it is... Not dealing with it, is as much a decision as dealing with it. You want to face reality, or bury your head in the sand?... |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/20/16 at 04:46:19 Ah..... You nailed it, yet, you missed the irony of it.... It's ok to make others uncomfortable for the sake of them being comfortable ;D You can't see that? Yes, you are right, it has existed all along, and as the Clinton's said, don't ask, don't tell. Seemed to work in an ignorant is bliss mentality :-X I think the gay movement is about acceptance, not really about peeing in a bathroom. Use to be said they wanted the government to stay out of their bedroom, but now it seems all are invited ;) I believe it all boils down to wanting to be accepted and acknowledged, and it's a fact our system smiles upon a heterosexual married white couple with a white picket fence around their house of 2 and a half kids and a dog and cat...... However, I feel laws forcing anyone to accept that of which they are against in a belief will ever achieve its desired goal. It only serves to keep bigotry alive and well, no matter how well meaning it is..... You have to change people's hearts, and folks ain't willing to be that vulnerable! |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/20/16 at 05:24:36 BTW..... Webby is right in one sense about libs being children, but it's a fact we all our. It is one of the three major characteristics that all of us navigate life from. That characteristic, a child, is where dreams root, and hope, and question. Artist spend a lot of time there. It is very creative element. Conservatives don't spend much time there. They see it as not reality, generally speaking. Walt Disney would be a good example of accessing both elements to successfully. Obama, not so much. He has tried to break away from the old presidential mindset, and has injected hope with wanting goodwill with all, like Cuba, etc, but with ISIS and Islam, you can see hope is not enough to carry it.... Which, brings me back to point.... It's all about balance and moderation ;D |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/16 at 05:38:10 The issue is, can they choose Why do they 'get to choose', but the others in the vast majority, do not get to choose? When this issue first popped up here in my town, all the girls (real girls that is)signed a petition stating they did not way a boy to use their bathroom. I don't recall how that situation ended but thanks to a recent case, a judge decided those 100 girls who said no, don't matter. They don't get to choose. Their feelings get tossed aside as not being valuable. If those 100 feel uncomfortable, too bad because this one guy feels uncomfortable so we're gonna put him ahead of you. Why? Which is my bigger point. Why? Why are we even having a discussion in a court of law? How did we get here? This is not 'progress'; this is decay. It's really all too confusing... but... these people do exist... and they will use a bathroom... It's not confusing at all, it's very black and white. If you stand up to pee, don't go in the girls room. Pretty simple. Hey, I'm sorry a few people have this affliction. And it is an affliction. We should look for ways to help, not enable. Given a choice between cutting off a finger and getting laid, most teenage boys would say, 'aw hell, I can work with 9 fingers' and start unzipping. Seriously, teenagers don't have the capacity to think beyond their noses which is why we have put in place all kinds of efforts to help them get past those years. Why in the hell then are we allowing a boy to make a decision like this that will follow him for life? That boy can't even walk into a bar and have a drink, but you think it's a good idea for him to say "I'm a girl and I want to $hit next to the other girls. I want to change in their locker rooms." You think it's a good idea to let a 16 year old make that call? ...but it won't change the fact that there are people that don't feel that either door applies... There are mentally disturbed people that don't feel all kinds of things apply but we don't change common sense actions with the history of mankind behind them to accommodate 1 out of 10,000 or 100,000. You want to face reality, or bury your head in the sand?... I am facing reality. The reality is the 100 other high school girls who don't want a mentally disturbed boy in their bathrooms, locker rooms and showers have the right to say no. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/20/16 at 05:56:51 ou want to face reality, or bury your head in the sand?... I am facing reality. The reality is the 100 other high school girls who don't want a mentally disturbed boy in their bathrooms, locker rooms and showers have the right to say no. That's reality. If he's wearing a dress, then he is in danger regardless of what room he walks in. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Paraquat on 04/20/16 at 06:03:36 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote:
Yea. Find any loop hole to exploit the system. I identify as a canine. I'm going to lift my led and urinate on a fire hydrant near a school. Let's see if my individual rights are upheld. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/16 at 06:17:13 5766756676726673070 wrote:
Yea. Find any loop hole to exploit the system. I identify as a canine. I'm going to lift my led and urinate on a fire hydrant near a school. Let's see if my individual rights are upheld. --Steve[/quote] if you could find a way to spin that as a democratic/liberal issue, yes they would go to war to uphold your right to pea a hydrant because you simply said so. if Hillary could get some votes out of it, she would suddenly be talking about her lifelong dream of human/canine equally. How it secretly kept her up at night. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/20/16 at 07:03:59 She has servants cover mirrors at eight pm. A glimpse of that face and even she can't sleep. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/20/16 at 07:57:39 526067767160774864776E050 wrote:
So,... you are more comfortable with this boy peeing in the little boys room?... Do you imagine this is more comfortable for all the other little boys?... Like I said,... it is an uncomfortable situation, either way. But,... the fact is these people do exist, and they will use a bathroom. I wouldn't be any more comfortable with a woman whipping out a "whatever" and pissing next to me at the urinal, than man in a dress putting on his make-up while I'm pissin'... 100 girls are uncomfortable with a "man" in a dress using their bathroom?... How about a woman that likes other women, in a suit with beard stubble?... It's confusing... but it happens. I don't see that one way is any better than the other. The good news is for most of us, this would be an odd occurrence. For the people that are this way, it's their life... and they must live with it every day. Which direction they go makes no difference to me. It's gonna' be weird either way. Do you see what I'm saying?... It will be, and is now, weird either way. Seems like the most discrete and least intrusive way, is for them to use the bathroom that they identify with. It seems to me that those that have a problem with it, want the problem to go away,... rather than deal with it in any practical way. Being against it,.. doesn't make it go away. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/20/16 at 08:19:32 Let's go simple Bot..... Are they both bigots then? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/20/16 at 09:11:04 3D2E362B2E38284F0 wrote:
You refer to whom?... JOG and Web?... I wouldn't say bigots,... they're just extremely uncomfortable with the fact that these people exist, and can't get past that to see objectively. I'm just as uncomfortable, but I see that this is an issue for these people to deal with. Realistically,... we don't have to deal with it. They do. I think how they deal with it should be their choice. One way or the other won't be better or worse for any of us. You get what I'm sayin'?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/16 at 09:18:49 I read these comments below a little while ago. Your position Sew is this woman's point of view is meaningless. The position of girls in high school who object to the boy who sued and won to use their bathroom and locker rooms is meaningless. The feelings of 100's get dismissed to accommodate the very specific feelings of one boy who we pass laws saying he isn't even competent enough to enter into a contract, drink alcohol, own a gun, maybe be drive a car at night with passengers, yet we say he can claim the feelings he has give him the right to insert himself in the private lives of hundreds of others with a different gender than his. Does that even make sense? When I was 20 I moved to an idyllic New England town where I was working a college internship. A few weeks in I needed some things from a grocery store a mile or so away from where I lived. It was a beautiful day so I decided to enjoy some fresh air and sunshine on a walk to the store. Part way to the store two guys were talking in a driveway that I passed. The men said, “Hey little girl, do you want to play?” Then they walked toward the street where I was walking. I pretended to not hear what they said and quickly walked past the driveway. Luckily, the men just stopped and laughed and didn’t come all the way to where I was. But I also knew I still had to come home, and that was the only way to go that I knew. It was a scary situation for me and I never enjoyed a solo walk in that town again. A man doesn’t understand that type of experience. The difference in muscle mass from a man to a woman makes some things more threatening to me than they would be to a man. To this day my husband teases me about taking mace with me when I walk. Then there’s the guy who doesn’t like it when you aren’t interested in him and starts showing a jerky side and you hope it doesn’t turn too aggressive. Or when there’s a rape very nearby where you live. You don’t let security concerns rule your life but you try to be realistic and think ahead about the safeness of situations that you put yourself in. So you make choices like not being alone in a parking garage, especially at night. You carry mace, or whatever, and try not to draw attention to yourself in some situations. It’s just common sense and, sadly, a small part of being a woman. In 2012 Canada passed their own “bathroom bill” similar to the one the city of Charlotte passed recently. The bill guaranteed that men who “identify” as women had the right to use public women’s facilities (not limited to locker rooms and bathrooms). In 2014 a man was placed in the women’s shelter of a homeless shelter in Toronto because he identified as a woman and, pursuant to the law passed in 2012, had the right to be in the woman’s shelter. Immediately women in the shelter complained of him peeking in the cracks of showers, etc. And there were several sexual assaults. Who knew this could happen? The LGBT lobbyists said that anyone who had security concerns about a “bathroom bill” was saying that transgender people were pedophiles and that there were no legitimate concerns with having transgender people in the bathroom. But any woman could have told you this was a possibility, it’s just common sense that we deal with every day. In 1999 a convicted murderer in Australia used the Australian laws to force authorities to move him to a women’s prison because he identified as a woman. While in women’s prison he raped his cell mate and after several other assaults, and one person pregnant he finally got moved back to the men’s prison. Who could have seen that coming? Duh, any woman you asked. The list goes on and on. From a college that had to change back from unisex bathrooms after peeping and cell phone videotaping, to the 45 yr old transgender “woman” who keeps exposing his male genitalia to the swim team in the locker room of newly enlightened Washington State. These incidents are surprising to no woman, only common sense is required to foresee a problem. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/16 at 09:21:45 Realistically,... we don't have to deal with it. They do. Bull$hit! My granddaughter will have to deal with it. I think how they deal with it should be their choice. One way or the other won't be better or worse for any of us. Again, Bull$hit! What do you tell the little girls who don't feel comfortable with a boy next to them in the bathroom / lockeroom? Seriously, what do you tell them? Too bad, deal with it Is that your solution? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/20/16 at 09:28:13 the point is,.. there are men that identify as woman, and there are women that identify as men... there are also people that are literally something in between... Either way you decide the issue,... all granddaughters and grandsons will have to deal with one type or the other... Do you honestly have a preference?... |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/16 at 10:14:14 the point is,.. there are men that identify as woman, and there are women that identify as men... there are also people that are literally something in between... Either way you decide the issue,... all granddaughters and grandsons will have to deal with one type or the other... Do you honestly have a preference?... I understand that completely. My wife knows a transgender woman/man. Granddaughters shouldn't have to deal with teenage boys using the bathroom and locker rooms. Honestly, is that too much to ask? I am genuinely puzzled how this is an issue. Are the battles lines between liberal and conservatives so strong that you would force a young girl to share a bathroom / locker room with a boy because he says he feels like a girl? You've never given a reason why her feelings, her desire for wanting to feel safe gets ignored. So give it a try. Why should we pass laws allowing a teenage boy, who makes the claim he identifies as a girl, full access to female bathrooms and locker rooms in public schools? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/20/16 at 10:56:03 Ok, is this your reasoning..... I am different. I am not sure why, I wasn't always this way, but it's a fact I can't drink booze. I know of many, many others who can not sip a beer at the ballpark, or sip wine at dinner. Fact is, it has the capacity to induce others to drink, maybe even killing innocent people if they then have to drive home from the event. I would feel more comfortable and accepted if all drinking was abolished by law. I would then feel the threat and society scorn would be lifted from the lives of others like me who can't behave, for whatever reason, like others when it comes to alcohol.... |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/20/16 at 15:06:04 Alright Web,.. have it your way... Males that feel and think like women can't use the Ladies room... This means women that think and feel like men will be using the Ladies room... Get it?... they feel like they are male.. they like women,.. and they will be in the bathroom with your granddaughter... Perhaps ogling her,.. or whatever... because they are attracted to females. ... but,.. have it your way... :-X ...makes no sense to me... |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/16 at 15:35:21 wow, you are way out in left field there buddy.... You just don't get it. The girls don't want HIM in there. His abnormal feelings don't trump the girls. Wait, so gays oggle members of the same sex so they shouldn't be in "close proximity " because they can't help but be sexuality aroused huh? So you're one of these guys who would kick gays out of the military because they can't control themselves with all those men around. Never would've guessed you'd be ones of those guys..... |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/20/16 at 16:27:11 Noop,.. I'm one of those guys that don't give a rats... ... because I can acknowledge that you can't legislate yer' why around these things. Unisex bathrooms would work for me... most people use discretion... those that don't are gonna' do what they do no matter what. Some poor boy with a screwed up sense of sexuality is likely to be extremely self-conscious and not looking anywhere. He's just very likely to get the holy snot beat out of him in the Men's room... For his personal safety, I would allow him to use the Ladies. You don't want that?... I do hope you'll defend him in the Men's... These things aren't these people's fault. I imagine it must be miserable to live with. Your granddaughters delicate sensibilities could cost a life... That boy is someone's grandson too. He could be yours... |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/20/16 at 16:39:14 Just a Freudian slip Webby [ch128561] That be a lot o supposition on bots part and he wants to make others accommodate his whim? But it has been the norm for all these years and you don't read about a boy getting beat up for wandering eyes in the men's room. This is kinda funny to watch ;D ( no pun intended ) |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/20/16 at 16:49:16 Eventually I expect the public restrooms to be three. Men's, women's and everyone else. If it's wearing a dress and needing a shave, I have no idea where it should go. I Do feel sorry for the sexually confused. But, I have more concern for the feelings of the young women who are being asked, no, TOLD, that they WILL share facilities with sexually confused, at best, and, possibly, sexual deviants, willing to dress up and pretend to be queer, just to get a free pass into the women's room. Tell me THAT won't happen. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/20/16 at 17:46:26 5C4345425F5869596951434F04360 wrote:
I was a horny young boy once... and no way would I have dressed and acted like a girl just to peek at someone peeing. I can't imagine any sexually straight boy that would. So,... if that would happen... what's to stop it now?... Any young boy can dress up like a girl and sneak in to the Girls room... They can do that now. This is not the issue. The issue is not about people being uncomfortable. The issue is people being terrified... ...and if you've never heard of a LBGT person being beat up for their sexuality,.. you're living in a bubble. I'm tired of this... I'm only defending it, because no one else will. It's a cruel, violent world, and feel sorry for anyone that can't fit in. I'm not angry at them. I don't think they're doing it to peak at girls or hurt them, and I don't think they would choose to be the way they are. I don't think any children will be hurt by this. I do think some may be hurt, without it. Younger people are much more comfortable with these things than we ever were. I doubt many have issue with it. Children are better people than you think. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/16 at 18:17:22 Your granddaughters delicate sensibilities could cost a life... That's your position? So when (not if) one of your illegal immigrants you demand we let in, murder someone; you gonna take that blood on your hands?! See how contorted you've got to twist yourself into while you try to connect all these dots? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/16 at 18:24:39 I'm tired of this... I'm only defending it, because no one else will. Lets be honest, you're only defending it because its a liberal/democratic position. It's a cruel, violent world, and feel sorry for anyone that can't fit in. Yes it is. That would be a horrible position to be in. But this law makes it worse, not better for them. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/20/16 at 18:27:00 The issue is people being terrified... ...and if you've never heard of a LBGT person being beat up for their sexuality,.. you're living in a bubble. hey, you're talking to a guy who got beat up for two years cause I was the only white boy. people are mean. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/20/16 at 19:53:14 3620372A32272A31450 wrote:
I was a horny young boy once... and no way would I have dressed and acted like a girl just to peek at someone peeing. I can't imagine any sexually straight boy that would. You STILL seem stuck on insisting that everyone shares your, apparently decent, somewhat naive, moral compass. I'm not comforted by Your inability to believe what a DEVIANT , I used that word, and you ignored it, will do. So,... if that would happen... what's to stop it now?... Any young boy can dress up like a girl and sneak in to the Girls room... They can do that now. Not with the blessing of the Law they can't. This is not the issue. Well, maybe not to you, it's not, but to me, it's a concern. The issue is not about people being uncomfortable. The issue is people being terrified... ...and if you've never heard of a LBGT person being beat up for their sexuality,.. you're living in a bubble. So, because of persecution BYV a very few, against a minority of a minority, EVERYONE gives up the right to NOT feel invaded.. I'm tired of this... I'm only defending it, because no one else will. No, you're not alone. The same confused bunch who champion importing Muslims agree It's a cruel, violent world, and feel sorry for anyone that can't fit in. Odd how that goes. Maybe arsonists should not wear signs saying I love burning houses down. See how stupid that would be? Maybe people who don't fit need to NOT try to be so obvious about it. If it can't walk in the women's room and Not look out of place, it better don't. Yeah, I've been to New Orleans back when... And I'm Still thinking that the people who were SAYING they were female impersonators were mostly women. Some of them were HOT,, well, in those lights.. Again, walks like a linebacker, needs a shave, dress or no dress, don't go in with the girls. That said, I have been in the women's room. When the men's was full and the other wasn't being used, at all, AND I could close and lock the door, and Not shock anyone. There are ways to do things that consider the feelings of others. I'm not expecting that from the light crowd. I'm expecting a real bad, vindictive attitude. I'm not angry at them. I don't think they're doing it to peak at girls or hurt them, and I don't think they would choose to be the way they are. I don't think any children will be hurt by this. I do think some may be hurt, without it. Yeah, and I have Seen the results of w h at people who Believe as you have brought . Younger people are much more comfortable with these things than we ever were. I doubt many have issue with it. I don't agree, at all. Children are better people than you think. Really? I was the kid with a scar on his face. I can tell you exactly what children are like. As You said It's a cruel, violent world, and feel sorry for anyone that can't fit in. And just what age do people Start being cruel to the misfit? And at what age do they stop? [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/20/16 at 20:22:01 I get it... already... This will be the end of the world... ...again... I'm done... Life is too short... Peace, Serow |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 04:07:30 America was charging down the tracks, and progressives started fixing society. No one stupid idea derailed us. And economic policy has certainly been a contributing factor. But, the social fixes have just messed this place up. I took the time to ask straight questions and make points inside of your position paper. Your response is no shock I expect the LGBT crowd to be as obnoxious and In your face with their hard won Viktree, baby,, As they can be. They will be loud and disruptive and everyone is gonna know, the boys who would be girls are in the girls room. That bunch is as subtle as the Bernie supporters. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Paraquat on 04/21/16 at 06:16:08 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
Why didn't you just go to your "safe space"? He said, ironically. I remember staying after school for detention. I had to help the gym teacher move all the mats. We crossed through the girl's locker room. Keep in mind, I'm a product of the 80's. I watched Meatballs, and Revenge of the Nerds, and any stereotypical 80's movie where a teenage boy couldn't wait to get into the girl's locker room to watch them practice kissing or comparing breast size. Still, at 5 pm when school had been empty for 2 hours and I was there working with the gym teacher, it felt wrong and taboo. Shame? Not shame. Just... knowing it wasn't for me? While we're on the topic of restrooms, why do we have stalls? I'm a weirdo who enjoys my privacy. Stalls are horrible. I wish we had enclosed closets. I hear that's a thing over seas. Enclosed unisex closets would solve everything. Male, female, parents with kids. Makes sense to me. Probably why it's not a valid solution. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/21/16 at 06:35:01 Sew runs away everytime he takes a stand, gets challenge and the weakness of his position becomes apparent. I wish he'd stop doing that. I was in Taiwan one time and went into the bathroom in a large city park. I think it's the park surrounding their main museum in Taipei. Anyway the traditional Taiwanese bathroom is really just a hole in the ground and a curved thing the project upwards a couple of feet. As best as I could figure, the idea is to just squat, take a dump, and aim your pes at the little curved thing in front of you. it all goes down into the hole. It was a big room with like five or six of these all out in the open. no thanks, I went into the civilized bathroom, the north American style. I literally think they had a label it said north American style bathroom. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by pg on 04/21/16 at 07:35:21 Yet another modern marvel from our friends in CA, problem solved! http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2016/02/10/new-low-group-threatens-san-fran-with-suit-over-15g-open-air-urinal/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-10/images/image.img.jpg/880/558/1455139313767.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/21/16 at 07:56:52 576562737465724D61726B000 wrote:
Ceasing a circular argument is not an admission of defeat..., it is a recognition of futility. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/21/16 at 08:00:35 Well, it was interesting to watch this pizzing match, but sadly predictable I am afraid. One posted that the position staked out is purely political, and you must march to the ordered, almost ISIS like, eh? It might not seem a big problem in the face of what we have staring at us, but it does reveal the separation, and possibly motivation, why we are so fragmented as a society. I still go back to thinking this diversion of outcome by polices is part of the reasoning the founders sought a separation clause between church/belief and state. Bot is a glaring example of blind faith in his party, do not question policy of the party, like Catholics should not question the Pope. The stubbornness and intolerance of mankind was not the result of religion, but the result of extending himself, first, over the welfare of others. When we expect a government to control every element of our lives, by default, it has been supplanted in all our lives, even if we agree, or not. By the very nature of absolute, (it) will cause fragmentation, just the opposite results of cohesiveness, or, as one, we were hoping for. Diversity should be celebrated, as an opportunity to taste among many cultures, with a chance at learning anew, instead of being forced fed with laws mandating acceptance. Government was never designed to be an absolute power..... With the next presidential election between Hillary and Trump, we will see things continue to fall apart. We will witness hypocrisy as an art form, with a blind acceptance, if its our horse, without understanding we, as in you and me, are tearing at the foundation of civility, with our own bare hands..... Simple questions, do you follow all the laws 100%? Or, is it easier to ignore those enacted by a party/court ( majority ruling ) you don't agree with? Are you always honest? One of Steven Stills great earlier works. Read the lyrics. BTW, it was first recorded in December 5, 1966 "For What It's Worth" There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I got to beware I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down There's battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody's wrong Young people speaking their minds Getting so much resistance from behind It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down What a field-day for the heat A thousand people in the street Singing songs and carrying signs Mostly say, hooray for our side It's s time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid You step out of line, the man come and take you away We better stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, now, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Last question: Who is at fault? PS: JOG, I understand your frustration. You share a lot here with the HOPE of enlightenment. But as a living, caring, being, we can't help but attach a little of ourselves to it. That is normal, we never want to be so cold that we can't cry with sadness on our heart.... Its what makes us human and separates us from all other creatures. On the flip side, pride will destroy us. It subtracts from all it touches and can never deliver on the need why it was used in the first place.... Pride is probably responsible for more heartache, death, and destruction, than any natural catastrophe, or man made implement. It is the tool wielded by deception. The blood will rise, I am afraid, until none is left to flow...... Share your heart, freely.... Your rest will be rewarding. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/21/16 at 08:22:27 53405845405646210 wrote:
Dawg,.. you're a glaring example of stupid... That's my Trump answer... ;D |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/21/16 at 08:39:10 5345524F57424F54200 wrote:
Dawg,.. you're a glaring example of stupid... That's my Trump answer... ;D[/quote] Guilty as charged..... By the way Bob, let me clarify, in context it seems I was harsh on my assessment of only exampling you.... I personally don't know of anyone that doesn't exhibit the same characteristics, when it comes to how/why we believe.... I mean, how can we not? That is why using the word prejudice, by the left, to assign it a negative connotation to gain power is very disingenuous. As we all use it to navigate through our daily lives when we don't have facts, or 20/20 hindsight, to base a thought/decision on that needs addressing ;D This door swings both way...... I apologize if I offended you ;) BTW Bot...... I also think the opposition here respect you, and that is why they post what might seem a dig, when you give flippant answers, etc... I have been guilty of such myself :-* You are entitled to bail, or express yourself anyway you feel, and we hold no obligation over you otherwise ;D There..... the GREAT and POWERFUL OZ has spoken ::) |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 08:57:08 Will they have urinals in the women's room? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/21/16 at 09:06:56 091610170A0D3C0C3C04161A51630 wrote:
Sure, the lav sink ;D |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/21/16 at 09:31:38 The crux of the issue is,... you aren't deciding their right to use the bathroom... just which direction you point them. If you send transgender A to the right,... transgender B must go left. Either way will be uncomfortable for most of us... neither way will be harmful to us. I see no value in our choosing. I do see value in their choosing which they way would feel more comfortable for them. As was pointed out... Ladies rooms don't have urinals. Individual stalls will not allow peaking or contact. This could be a unisex bathroom. Privacy is assured. Having a transgender at a urinal,.. would be very uncomfortable for most men, and extremely uncomfortable, and possibly dangerous, for the transgender person. I don't think it would happen very often because of this fact. So,... who the f*k cares?... Transgenders probably do... ...but why should we?... As I said,... forcing one, one way... forces the other, the other way... I'm just as uncomfortable either way... aren't you?... It's like the waiter asking,.. should I pee in your soup, or in your wine?... ..."oh hell,.. just surprise me"... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/21/16 at 10:03:35 The crux of the issue is,... you aren't deciding their right to use the bathroom... just which direction you point them. If you send transgender A to the right,... transgender B must go left. Either way will be uncomfortable for most of us... neither way will be harmful to us. I see no value in our choosing. I do see value in their choosing which they way would feel more comfortable for them. As was pointed out... Ladies rooms don't have urinals. Individual stalls will not allow peaking or contact. This could be a unisex bathroom. Privacy is assured. you aren't deciding their right to use the bathroom... just which direction you point them. Yes. I have no problem telling a boy with a thingy he has to use the boys restroom and locker rooms. But, knowing how mean and difficult high school can be, I'd also have a private bathroom available. Yea, it makes him stand out, but guess what, he is different. By saying he's female in a male body, he's acknowledging the obvious, he is different. Let's not try to gloss over that by letting him use the girls rooms. I do see value in their choosing which they way would feel more comfortable for them. Which means you see no value in having the females choose what's comfortable for them. If one boy can demand entrance because it makes him feel comfortable, can't one girl demand he not gain entrance because it makes her feel uncomfortable? This could be a unisex bathroom. Privacy is assured. It's not just bathrooms, but its locker rooms, it's showers. This will rapidly expand. And if you don't think it won't, you're kidding yourself. I don't understand how proponents of this can so easily dismiss the feelings of the majority of girls who do not want this. This is not like a race issue, this is not a civil rights issue. Skin color as a basis of discrimination is not valid. Discrimination on the basis of gender is. Note: actual physical gender not 'self-identified' gender. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/21/16 at 10:06:39 Sooo,... you choose the soup?... ;D |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 10:18:34 I talked with my wife about it. The point I made was IF a guy can get in and out and Not make a scene or be obvious about being a schlong hauling man who would be a woman, then nobody is the wiser, nobody is upset. But, you take some rebellious In your face I have as much right to be here as you do Radical LGBT ashole and they go in and make it a point to let the women know that they are there and Tough cookies.. Well, then you have a problem. The people who are being accommodated need to be respectful. And, IF it's some linebacker with a five o'clock shadow, IT needs to be aware that it's Not gonna be unnoticed and IT needs to wear clothing appropriate for using the mens room. I'd consider Janet Reno a candidate for a urinal, barring inspection to show otherwise. And, having a well developed gag reflex, I would have to either rely on someone else's inspection or just take her word for it. The birth certificate might be helpful, but, who knows? I'm not violent and I don't really care what someone else does, as long as they don't mess with me or anyone else who isn't receptive of them. I'm okay standing at a urinal and the next be occupied by some obviously Light in the loafers guy. He can peek and smack his lips for all I care. Reach, and touch? Dudes gonna know what that pink hockey puck tastes like. Queers have been around since the beginning. I don't agree with it. I have had friends who were, and didn't even know. I found out about one of my best friends after he died. At 6'7"" and going out, shooting pool, and seeing him trying to get laid, getting married, I never dreamed that he would play with a man..and, he knew me well enough to make sure I didn't. I would have still been a friend, I think,, stuff might have changed, I dunno.. I'm tired of people trying to force me to accept things. Just Do what you want. Don't make it a big deal. If you don't FIT IN in the women's room, don't Go. If you don't fit in in the mens room, then maybe YOU SHOULD consider working on your appearance or behavior. Why SHOULD society be expected to just Accept everything? God Made m e this way. Yeah, and the pedophiles will be next. And the same kinda people who have supported the movement Out of the closet from so long ago, will Feel like it is only reasonable. Because they have adjusted to the New Normal And, nothing is really wrong, nothing is really right, everything is relative. Situational Ethics are their guideposts. And look at how America is doing. I WATCHED changes. I know what Gloria Steinem did. It wasn't about women's rights. It was about putting the family in a bind. Creating another group of workers to tax. I would like to see the stats for divorce from about 1950 to now. Went looking.. Steady climb, until the seventies. Then the rate of increase increased. Good Ol Gloria had a microphone in her hand, IIRC, and on T.V.a lot, wanna say 65 to 67. And then we saw what happened. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/21/16 at 10:37:11 This will play right into Trumps hand...... Hillary will have her tubes tied on it. The PC insanity is the root of this election.... It might be the only thing that can conquer the powerful Clinton machine! |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 11:18:09 You know, when I was a kid, I was told to behave. I was made to feel that MY behavior had to blend in with the expectations of the Societal Norms. The Few, aided by those who believe society Should change and embrace those whose behaviors aren't what they should be , the Few, Should never FEEL Less than, or Wrong, only accepted, desired, held in high regard, Yes, we are progressing. I doubt I'll live to see what America looks like when the progressive movement has decided that we have been dragged sufficiently into their concept of what a Truly Loving and Caring society Should be. I don't know that they can be satisfied. I'm sure there will always be some, as yet undiscovered, tiny faction whose ultimate desire s aren't being satisfied and it's all My fault,, and I and society in general, must change our attitudes, once again. Howcummizzitt that without anything actually being right OR wrong, I'm STILL always Wrong? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/21/16 at 11:29:49 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote:
In this forum,.. it's me that's always wrong... You're only gettin' a tiny taste of it. I am the pinball... and there's a lot of bumpers in here.... ;D |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 11:57:34 I think you're not getting what I'm saying. The I that I am referring to is the I who makes up the silent majority, always being told by the Few who are busily Championing the Cause du jour of the ever present downtrodden select few whose behaviors,ways, wants, whatever, aren't being sufficient treated as relevant to the society. The same Few who are so intent on teaching Me that there REALLY is no actual Right or Wrong, perpetually wagging a finger at me, telling me I'm Wrong. And they say it's the conservative who can't grasp the finer points. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/21/16 at 13:04:57 Oh,... that's because in the real world you are not the "silent majority"... It only feels that way in Texas... ...and, look at your post count,... that ain't silent. :-? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 13:09:22 The Silent Majority aren't Silent in that they don't speak. They just aren't HEARD. Just as the Secret Societies aren't secret in that they exist, it's what they do. http://twitter.com/KitDaniels1776/status/723187060341764096/photo/1 |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by old.indian on 04/21/16 at 14:25:51 2234233E26333E25510 wrote:
In this forum,.. it's me that's always wrong... You're only gettin' a tiny taste of it. I am the pinball... and there's a lot of bumpers in here.... ;D [/quote] And you are enjoying every second of it too.... ;) |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/21/16 at 16:14:48 Well I shall from ever on use the ladies restroom. To me it's a no brainer. Guys are slobs, don't flush and leave skids on the seat ;D Oh oh that smell, the smell will surround you... |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/21/16 at 17:03:51 5C5F571D5A5D575A525D330 wrote:
And you are enjoying every second of it too.... ;) [/quote] I don't do anything voluntarily that ain't fun... 8-) |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 17:23:15 382B332E2B3D2D4A0 wrote:
I used to make some money getting to a bar early, and clean up. Then go to my day job. The horrors of the women's room made me quit. After the second time cleaning poo up out of the floor, I quit. The stuff on the walls was horrific. The things those cute little things do and write are just shocking. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/21/16 at 17:56:55 From Daniel Tosh "I think bathrooms should be split by political parties...." |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by jcstokes on 04/21/16 at 20:20:42 Perhaps the problem could be solved by getting rid of urinals in mens rooms and creating unisex stalls, which anyone could use regardless of race, sexual orientation, or hair and eye colour. Readers should note that the Porta Loo's/Potty's at large public events are designed for unisex use. Maybe we need more of them. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 20:47:53 getting rid of urinals in mens rooms Whatchyou tawkin bout, Willis? |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by jcstokes on 04/21/16 at 20:56:48 JOG, American English may be slightly different in its terminology but I mean any device in a male toilet where men stand along side one another and urinate. along with silly remarks conversations and the potential for overspray. Perhaps I should have said, individual stalls or pans. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 21:15:52 76696F6875724373437B69652E1C0 wrote:
Getting rid of That's the part that I can't grasp. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by Serowbot on 04/21/16 at 22:07:28 I hate urinals anyway... When I was seventeen, I was taking my girlfriend to a concert in Phoenix,.. and we stopped at a truck stop for dinner... I went into the bathroom and a guy tried to mug me, or molest me,... while I was at a urinal... Big dude,... I didn't beat him up or anything, but I struggled enough to get out of there, without losin' my wallet or ... virginity... :-? When I got out, I told my girlfriend what just happened... and she gets all man-pants about it... (all 105lbs of her), and is looking to kick this guys ass... ('course, you know where that leads)... :-? ... so I'm sayin' "Hon,.. let's just leave that alone, and get back on the road"... ;D... Anyway,... didn't use a urinal for years after that. Still don't like 'em much if I have a choice... |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by jcstokes on 04/21/16 at 23:30:21 JOG, I mean disposing of them or replacing them with stalls or porta loo's/pottys. I don't particularly like them either. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by HovisPresley on 04/21/16 at 23:58:47 http://i63.tinypic.com/311v0j8.jpg |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/22/16 at 03:11:14 Well,I've never been attacked in a restroom, but, I Have been known to discretely open my knife and run the blade along the inside of my wrist, palming the handle, because I was uncomfortable. I'm not able to do away with the urinal. I despise the little box, and , as a former roughneck, I know what having ZERO facilities means. I also still enjoy taking a leak, looking at the stars. I live where I can get away with it. I feel kinda sorry for people who don't know what that's about. The 12 foot piece of gutter beside the shop, standing on a 2x6, leans down and away from the door,,, and I use that usually several times a day. I can't remember the last time we heard a siren out here. I'm REALLY worn out with the social justice warriors. It's a new cause, over and over, all while the country really is going to nuts. You want CHANGE? Step up to something that MATTERS. Get off the whiney crap. They don't want me in that bathroom. Well, boo hoo, Ultimate butt hurt. Fight for clean food, no gmo, Fight for real money, no debt based fiat currency. Gee, divide and conquer. Keep them busy arguing about meaningless CRAP while we steal them blind. LOOK AT YOUR WORLD. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by raydawg on 04/22/16 at 03:32:38 6E7177706D6A5B6B5B63717D36040 wrote:
Yep, I pee under the stars, and sun, too, on my spread ;D I can't help but think its much ado too, as Rome burns..... Seriously, life evolved to this stage without having to address this issue, yet :o How about the trough urinals, ARG, pizz everywhere, no longer allowed but it was popular for many years. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by WebsterMark on 04/22/16 at 11:01:32 Quarryville, PA, resident James Thomas Shoemaker, 19, was arrested last week when he was found hiding in a stall of the woman’s bathroom in the Sheetz store on Manheim Pike. Police said he was taking images of young girls on his cell phone. Hey, I've got an idea to mitigate the impact humans have on climate. Lets pass a law that allows "men" the legal ability to call themselves women so when perves like this get busted for taking photos of little girls, they'll be fewer charges to filed since he won't actually be trespassing. Fewer charges means less paper which means more trees! Bingo! Now we all won't sweat to death next year! My plan makes as much sense as letting someone define their gender. |
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Title: Re: Why? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/22/16 at 11:08:21 Police said he was taking images of young girls on his cell phone. Now, now, nothing nefarious here. He was just taking pictures of the various Combinations of clothes and panty designs. Research , trying to decide on how best to dress to accent his best features. |
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