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Title: How's that working out for you? Post by pg on 01/05/16 at 11:21:01 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046 The mayor of Cologne has summoned police for crisis talks after about 80 women reported sexual assaults and muggings by men on New Year's Eve. The scale of the attacks on women at the city's central railway station has shocked Germany. About 1,000 drunk and aggressive young men were involved. City police chief Wolfgang Albers called it "a completely new dimension of crime". The men were of Arab or North African appearance, he said. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-30/swiss-army-chief-warns-social-unrest-calls-upon-citizens-arm-themselves Swiss army chief André Blattmann warned, in a Swiss newspaper article on Sunday, the risks of social unrest in Europe are soaring. Recalling the experience of 1939/1945, Blattman fears the increasing aggression in public discourse is an explosively hazardous situation, and advises the Swiss people to arm themselves and warns that the basis for Swiss prosperity is "being called into question." http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/islamic-man-pummels-christians-on-christmas/?cat_orig=world Best regards, |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/16 at 12:18:33 Well, I dunno what to do. Shall we invade and restore order or just bomb them? Maybe, out of compassion for the societies being demolished, we should just import the people who are causing the trouble? |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/05/16 at 12:23:02 Cologne: "It's completely improper... to link a group that appeared to come from North Africa with the refugees," Mayor of Cologne. "....no official confirmation that asylum seekers had been involved in the violence." BBC report. "Police were deployed outside the station because of the crowds on New Year's Eve, but failed to spot the many attacks, according to reports." BBC Switzerland: An Army chief said in a Sunday newspaper that the risks of social unrest, not social unrest, otherwise he'd say that, but the risks of it are soaring, in his opinion. He is Swiss. The last link: We've had 'Paki-bashing' here in the UK since the 1970's. ('Paki', short for Pakistani muslim) PS. In all three, nobody was shot dead, either...... |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by pg on 01/05/16 at 12:59:20 Cologne: "It's completely improper... to link a group that appeared to come from North Africa with the refugees," Mayor of Cologne. A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said. - Yes that was in the article. "....no official confirmation that asylum seekers had been involved in the violence." BBC report. The article said 8 of them were. "Police were deployed outside the station because of the crowds on New Year's Eve, but failed to spot the many attacks, according to reports." BBC There are also fears that a number of women did not report assaults. Yes, that was after the previous sentence in the article. Switzerland: An Army chief said in a Sunday newspaper that the risks of social unrest, not social unrest, otherwise he'd say that, but the risks of it are soaring, in his opinion. He is Swiss. Do you have something against the Swiss? The last link: We've had 'Paki-bashing' here in the UK since the 1970's. ('Paki', short for Pakistani muslim) PS. In all three, nobody was shot dead, either...... Does someone have to lose their life before you will condemn the rape, assault, and robbery? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by oldNslow on 01/05/16 at 13:34:13 Astonishes me that anyone could believe that this particular solution to the "refuge crisis" is a good idea. Nobody saw this coming ? |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/16 at 13:35:06 Let's see here..... Normally, these events come off just fine. Recently, hordes of migrants have been let in. Now, we have problems. And I'm not supposed to see a link unless I am told there is, while I KNOW the media is used to paint me a picture???? I'll risk being wrong. For now, the trouble is due to the immigrants. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/05/16 at 14:26:53 pg, I just copied and pasted from the article you linked to. These are facts according to the link. Official confirmation? Has anyone been charged with anything? The Swiss, I mention, is because the article goes straight from an Army chief talking about potential for social unrest to what happened in 1939. I just see the irony really, with Switzerland and WW2.... Also, the Swiss have a law about compulsory gun ownership, which I have never seen in my many stays in the country. Quite the opposite, the idea is ridiculed in most houses that I stayed in. "Does someone have to lose their life before you will condemn the rape, assault, and robbery?" No, I condemn it all. In a city the size of Washington and Minneapolis combined, on New Years Eve, one woman was raped, some were groped and some people were pick-pocketed, probably by immigrants, but who knows. So, "How's that working out for you?" presumably refers to Europe's or Germany's immigration policy. Well, considering the mass shooting on the same day in the US, I'm sure Germany can cope with one alleged rape, and various drunken assaults at New Year. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/05/16 at 14:32:06 526C6D61736F6E000 wrote:
.............................................................. People saw this coming, no-one had a good idea, there was no solution........but what were they meant to do? |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/16 at 15:03:14 Step back. WAAAAY back. Look at the policies that CREATED the problems the migrants are running From. You can't Really believe that this is what is called Unintentional consequences Can you? I say it was part of the goal. Sure as FUKK wasn't unpredictable. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by pg on 01/05/16 at 15:48:31 64435A455F7C5E495F4049552C0 wrote:
.............................................................. People saw this coming, no-one had a good idea, there was no solution........but what were they meant to do? [/quote] Frankly speaking, I am bewildered how anyone can defend this policy or the associated ramifications. However, I can to a certain degree accept your response to oldNslow. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by pg on 01/05/16 at 15:49:40 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
Hegelian Dialectic Best regards, |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by oldNslow on 01/05/16 at 15:53:20 1E39203F25062433253A332F560 wrote:
.............................................................. People saw this coming, no-one had a good idea, there was no solution........but what were they meant to do? [/quote] I have no idea. I do find it interesting that not a single Muslim country, some of them quite affluent and, for the time being anyway, peaceful, seems to have the slightest interest in helping these so called refugees out. Maybe they know something we don't. At any rate it's the EU's problem now, and making light of the New Years Eve events in Germany, and some of the other things that are being reported in other countries, and pretending that there really isn't any problem, isn't going to help. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/05/16 at 16:41:53 "pretending that there really isn't any problem, isn't going to help." I don't pretend that there isn't a problem, I just see it in proportion, remember, I don't have to 'sell newspapers' or advertising. The area between the train station and the cathedral has always had gangs hanging around, and pick-pocketing has always been going on there. I haven't been there in 20 years but "pre-immigrant-crises" Cologne had its fair share of homeless, drug addicts, prostitutes in that particular small area of Cologne. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by oldNslow on 01/05/16 at 16:54:11 Quote:
i hope for your sake you are correct. However I suspect that circumstances may force you to reevaluate your sense of "proportion." And my impression is that the press is not sensationalizing what is going on in order to "sell papers" but is actually attempting to minimize it. As are the spokespersons affiliated with the various governments. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by pg on 01/05/16 at 20:59:03 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepublic/12082757/Muslim-Brotherhood-using-migrants-as-invasion-force-to-seize-control-of-Europe-Czech-president-claims.html The Czech president has claimed the migration crisis in Europe is the result of a plan by the Muslim Brotherhood to “gain control of Europe”. Milos Zeman explained the Brotherhood lacked the resources to launch a military invasion of the continent so was sending waves of migrants as an alternative force. “It cannot declare war on Europe, it does not have enough forces for it, but it can prepare a growing migrant wave and gradually gain control of Europe as it has been happening in some West European cities that police are afraid to enter at night,” Mr Zeman told Czech Radio. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by old.indian on 01/05/16 at 21:45:29 6770767A7565170 wrote:
There are sections of New York, Oakland, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angles etc. that the police are afraid to enter after dark. But I don't think that is "Muslim immigrants" keeping them out........ ::) |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/05/16 at 23:43:43 The Muslim Brotherhood planned the immigration crisis to gain control of Europe? Can anyone even name their leader? (without using google). Reminds me of the Chinese inventing global warming to control US industrial output. I'm sure that those naughty muslims don't lack resources.... oil fields, anyone? No-go areas in Western cities? Like Birmingham, UK, (our second biggest city) described as a no-go area for non-muslims by Fox News ::) Sounds to me like a politician creating fear to then enable new laws/security-measures to be introduced which limit individual freedom. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by pg on 01/06/16 at 04:22:05 5C5F571D5A5D575A525D330 wrote:
There are sections of New York, Oakland, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angles etc. that the police are afraid to enter after dark. But I don't think that is "Muslim immigrants" keeping them out........ ::) [/quote] This thread pertains to Europe; however, you'll get no argument from regarding the state of American cities. Many are cesspools of vile criminality and only getting worse. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by pg on 01/06/16 at 04:26:52 11362F302A092B3C2A353C20590 wrote:
They lack military resources. Not that I was for the invasion of Iraq; although, what it take a month to take the entire country? The Czech presidents statements support that Islam is a theocracy. Why will the Saudis build mosques across Europe, but will not help with the humanitarian effort? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/06/16 at 05:31:32 They lack military resources, but I can think of a least 1 muslim country that has nuclear weapons....... |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/06/16 at 05:41:11 u 0B2C352A30133126302F263A430 wrote:
Why are you so determined to downplay this? Do you really believe a 1,000,000 predominantly Muslim refugees can escape to Europe and they'll seamlessly assimilate? |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/06/16 at 06:15:12 "Why are you so determined to downplay this? Do you really believe a 1,000,000 predominantly Muslim refugees can escape to Europe and they'll seamlessly assimilate? " ...................................................... No, it won't be seamless, but they can assimilate. I have a Kurd next door to me and Romanians next door to that. They both work, pay tax, are polite, and don't try pushing any foreign culture down anyone's necks. (Except for Turkish coffee!). I'm downplaying it because I live here (between UK and Hungary) and interact with muslims on a daily basis. I can see the difference between what the media report (and how they present it) to what the 'feeling' is on the street, or the talk in the pub. I actually know that place in Cologne because I stayed very near there for a month. I was at Keleti station, and also Nyugati station in Budapest, Hungary late last year and saw (again) the news-crews 'working the crowds up' before switching to live broadcast......the more dramatic, the more is sold. That's why I'm downplaying it. PS.I also see the irony of a white American expecting others to assimilate seamlessly ;) |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/06/16 at 07:41:54 all the people who interact it on a daily basis with the Boston bombers thought they were decent kids too...... but what you're reporting is not what I'm hearing from my colleagues in Stockholm. The "assimilation" is not going particularly smoothly. my suspicion is your anti-American, liberal point of view narrows your field of vision. so who do I believe? Mainstream media, FOXNews, you, people I actually know? but I hope you're right. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/06/16 at 07:45:26 as far as the irony of a white American and assimilation, sorry, but what do you want me to do? We're better than everyone else in the world. I'm not going to apologize for that. we don't assimilate to other cultures, other cultures assimilate to us. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by Serowbot on 01/06/16 at 08:02:46 My giant head gives me a neck ache... :-? |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/06/16 at 08:25:26 Hey, it's good to be the King. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/06/16 at 08:50:07 142621303726310E223128430 wrote:
It matters little to me if you believe me when I talk about the 'muslim' issue and what the situation looks like from inside Europe. All I ask is a little less hate in the world and a bit more compassion, and maybe the realization that the media is the propaganda wing of government/multinational business. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/16 at 08:54:00 Yeah, web, good point. We didn't assimilate. We destroyed the civilization that was here. We conquered the land. Yeah, you make a great point. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/06/16 at 08:54:16 695B5C4D4A5B4C735F4C553E0 wrote:
...................................................... Can you sing "in the ghetto"? ;D |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/06/16 at 10:41:05 36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:
Thank you. They had their chance. They were riding horses around killing each other. WTH. They should have invaded England! If you feel that bad about it, give your belongings away to an Indian and go back to England. Yea, didn't think you felt that bad..... I didn't influence history, I'm just living here in my time. Facts are pesky things but persistent. The rest of the world knows 10,000 more things about the US than I'll ever know about them. I don't need to. When that changes, as many of you want, and the whole world's gone to $hit, I guess I'll know what it's like then living in the shadow of another nation. Until then, I'm not in favor of following them down the toilet by opening our borders under the pretense of some expression of false compassion. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/06/16 at 10:42:32 1A3D243B21022037213E372B520 wrote:
...................................................... Can you sing "in the ghetto"? ;D [/quote] No, but Rush Limbaugh's got a great knock off song: In a Yugo. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/16 at 11:20:59 5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
We, unlike the denizens of this continent prior to our arrival, have the benefit of Seeing how the migrants are respecting the people of the countries that are allowing them in. If they, the Native Americans,had seen what we are seeing, would you call them foolish if they invited these hordes in? |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/06/16 at 12:22:31 Good point Jog but hypothetical plus many major differences. It was a pretty empty country for one thing. There wasn't what you would call sovereign territory. It was literally and figuratively a different world back then. ...but the answer to your question is; with hindsight, had they know they would end up defeated, isolated etc... they should have killed every European settler from day one! However, it wouldn't have mattered. They'd still be in the same place today, if not worse. Their culture had not progressed as far as the Europeans. They were doomed. Once Europe saw the land, they were going to keep coming no matter what. All they would have done is delayed the inevitable. I realize my opinions on Native Americans run counter to most everyone else, but I've just never been sold on the whole "we robbed their land and killed them off" stuff..... You can say that about practically every nation / culture. But.... times are different. We do have established nations and cultures. We do have the ability to project what the future holds. And for Europe to be so foolish as to think they can increase the % of their Muslim populations to higher and higher degrees with no consequences is ridiculous. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/16 at 12:29:08 Yet, you're not against bringing them here? If only one percent are angry at America, what happens? Look at how it is going in Europe. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/06/16 at 12:42:40 Are we on the wrong page here.....? I'm am 100% against immigration from a predominantly Muslim country right now. That's what I would do: no immigration from a country with a significant Muslim population. I don't the numbers in front of me or the national security details, but I'd make a list of nations and say no. I'd make exceptions for Christians or Jews or others who can prove they are in a persecuted status. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/16 at 12:49:21 370502131405122D01120B600 wrote:
I read that as Bring them on. We will assimilate them. I gotcha now. My bad. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/06/16 at 13:53:48 "We're better than everyone else in the world. I'm not going to apologize for that." .......................................... I'd say that you are made up of everyone else in the world. You don't need to apologize, Mark, but you might want to start learning Chinese! |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/06/16 at 14:55:44 567168776D4E6C7B6D727B671E0 wrote:
I'd say we're better because everyone in the past (for the most part anyway) pulled roughly in the same direction and our free enterprise, capitalistic government opened the doors for prosperity. I may wish I had slanted eyes before its all over, you might be right. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by HovisPresley on 01/06/16 at 15:12:07 At a guess I'd say the Scandinavians and the Swiss have a great standard of living, and are to be noted, if you were to be so humble.... |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by pg on 01/06/16 at 15:39:08 64435A455F7C5E495F4049552C0 wrote:
Yes, it certainly lends to credibility to the resolve of both groups. I always wondered though, how much of the Nazi bullion do the Swiss still have? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/16 at 16:11:59 312E282F32350434043C2E22695B0 wrote:
I read that as Bring them on. We will assimilate them. I gotcha now. My bad.[/quote] There,back on topic. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/07/16 at 10:23:40 as more stories about the assaults on New Year's night in Germany start trickling out, it seems a far more severe incident then was first reported. I suspect the European news agencies are following the same pattern US news agencies tend to follow when they report incidents involving black teenagers. Just a couple weeks ago in Minneapolis there was a massive group running through a mall. They were specifically targeting white shoppers. Of course that wasn't reported. You have to go on YouTube and watch the various videos people posted. so I guess the answer to the question that started this thread, how's that work for you?: not particularly well. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by Serowbot on 01/07/16 at 12:15:06 A bunch of guns added to the mix would've been helpful... :-? |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by WebsterMark on 01/07/16 at 12:27:03 A bunch of guns added to the mix would've been helpful Hey, we agree again. I think it would have been cool had they pulled out some pistols and blew their ball$ off..... |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by oldNslow on 01/07/16 at 13:00:24 nothing to see here... move along now... just your random pick-pockets, druggies. some hookers... not to worry... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35256576 Looks like even the bbc has changed it's tune from just a day or so ago. Reminds me of something Ayn Rand said: “We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality” |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by Dane Allen on 01/07/16 at 16:03:41 When in Rome, do as the Romans do. But the point that seems to be missed is why there are refugees at all. I know that I would prefer to live in my home country and I imagine the same is true with the Syrians et. al. The same issue is with the Central and South Americans fleeing their socialist paradises to come to our racist, classist crap hole of a country. Maybe the solution is not to transport refugees all over the world but to do something about their home countries to prevent them from being displaced in the first place. :o |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by oldNslow on 01/07/16 at 16:20:46 Quote:
I think the point that's being missed is that this conversation is not about "refugees" in general. but about a very specific group of refugees. There have always been, and always will be refugees, from all sorts of places and for all sorts of reasons. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/16 at 22:25:34 02272823072A2A2328460 wrote:
It was meddling with them that caused the problem. They have been squabbling between themselves since time immemorial, but we and our allies decided to go Fix things. I'm pretty sure that a bunch of those refugees are really angry at America. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by Dane Allen on 01/08/16 at 13:44:40 746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
It was meddling with them that caused the problem. They have been squabbling between themselves since time immemorial, but we and our allies decided to go Fix things. I'm pretty sure that a bunch of those refugees are really angry at America. [/quote] Pretty sure the Ottoman Empire had something to do with that long before we ever came along. And all the world powers before them. History is nothing but a string of powers imposing their views on the world. So, what if the current powers were to work towards making the world a better place? Of course, socialists need the suffering to achieve their goals, it brings down free societies with crushes of refugees and maintains power with welfare vote buying. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/08/16 at 17:08:26 I don't believe for a second that our motives were to improve the lives of the people where we invaded. IF that was the object, we failed Miserably. Libya had the highest standard of living in Africa. It's destroyed. |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by raydawg on 01/08/16 at 17:38:48 I read somewhere Moammar Gadhafi was in dialogue with Tony Blair before his death and was asking for help Predicting the current Muslim extremist situation if he was not giving help to combat them. Not sure what all happened. Wasn't their some mention of this on Hillary's server too? |
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Title: Re: How's that working out for you? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/08/16 at 18:46:20 gaddafi said Libya buffer zone refugees Yeah, I heard that too. Search engine the top line, |
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