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Message started by pg on 01/03/16 at 14:16:24

Title: The Bundy's are back
Post by pg on 01/03/16 at 14:16:24

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-03/now-time-stand-armed-activists-militiamen-seize-federal-wildlife-refuge-office-orego

I don't think this is going to end well for them.  Actually, I think they are going to make an example of them.

Best regards,

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by Serowbot on 01/03/16 at 15:56:39

"Al,.. tell Bud to leave that cow alone!"... ;D
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2016/01/Cow_0.png

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by HovisPresley on 01/03/16 at 16:52:41

Oh, when I saw the title I thought there was a new series of "Married with Children".  :(

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/16 at 22:02:44

The very few who have a clue....

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by WD on 01/04/16 at 08:38:37

Been following this on Stormfront. I'm fully expecting the Feds to go Ruby Ridge or Waco on the folks at the refuge. The ranch sits on large deposits of Uranium, Natural Gas, Arsenic. The Feds are broke, Red China wants the minerals... You do the math.

Agricultural folk across North America are under increasing federal pressure. Water rights taken away. Land siezed to sit fallow or have always empty commercial structures built on them. Grazing rights stripped. Terminator seeds from the federally protected Monsanto. Timber rights stripped and your trees taken and sold without payment (have seen first hand with red cedar in Washigton state). Mineral resources siezed, land taken, and farms demolished (anywhere oil, coal or uranium are discovered).

Decent folks lives ruined, so the Federal machine can get its kickbacks and other graft perks.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by Serowbot on 01/04/16 at 09:34:33

Here's your "armed militia", standing against Federal authority.
Their weapons may get them killed.
... that's about it...

I doubt it will come to that... they will coward out before that.
They have put themselves in an untenable position...  All the Fed has to do, is wait them out.

Fed will just shut off the utilities and wait... maybe toss a few stink bombs...
Wait for the dramatists to realize they have no finale' to their play. A dangerous game,.. and the only options of outcome are tragedy or comedy..

A bunch of grandstanding, Podunk, militia, nitwits...making a rebel stand in a shack in the middle of nowhere.
...but, you never know... one trigger happy drama queen, could light the firecracker...

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by Dane Allen on 01/04/16 at 14:07:32

Just gonna end up with more martyrs to the tyrannical government. I think the feds just need to pack up and forget about it, they already got a bogus terrorism charge against a farmer for trying to control wildfires the last thing the feds need is to spill more innocent blood (true that it is what they are good at).

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by Dane Allen on 01/04/16 at 14:08:05


092E372832113324322D2438410 wrote:
Oh, when I saw the title I thought there was a new series of "Married with Children".  :(


My thoughts exactly!!  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/04/16 at 18:31:14

https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=BLM+burning+pastures+in+July

Who is the arsonist?

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by thumperclone on 01/04/16 at 22:07:12


322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=BLM+burning+pastures+in+July

Who is the arsonist?

prescribed burns are a way of life here in the west  period

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by thumperclone on 01/04/16 at 22:11:24


7467230 wrote:
Been following this on Stormfront. I'm fully expecting the Feds to go Ruby Ridge or Waco on the folks at the refuge. The ranch sits on large deposits of Uranium, Natural Gas, Arsenic. The Feds are broke, Red China wants the minerals... You do the math.

Agricultural folk across North America are under increasing federal pressure. Water rights taken away. Land siezed to sit fallow or have always empty commercial structures built on them. Grazing rights stripped. Terminator seeds from the federally protected Monsanto. Timber rights stripped and your trees taken and sold without payment (have seen first hand with red cedar in Washigton state). Mineral resources siezed, land taken, and farms demolished (anywhere oil, coal or uranium are discovered).

Decent folks lives ruined, so the Federal machine can get its kickbacks and other graft perks.

 not going to happen
just displaced anger
their fellow militants are calling it as a wrong

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/16 at 06:33:37


5E425F475A4F58494645444F2A0 wrote:
[quote author=322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 link=1451859384/0#8 date=1451961074]https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=BLM+burning+pastures+in+July

Who is the arsonist?

prescribed burns are a way of life here in the west  period[/quote]


Unless I got the wrong clip, you should see burned cattle, BLM  surrounding a ranch, burning buildings, AND ,uncommonly, July is when it is happening.

BLM wants the LAND.  Have you seen the price of beef?
Agenda 21.
It's all Right there.
Look.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by WebsterMark on 01/05/16 at 06:46:06

The price of beef has nothing to do with this.

What this is is power happy unelected bureaucrats thinking they are Lord of their Domain and they are pushing forward knowing the current Presidential administration will let them keep pushing. BLM, EPA, IRS  insert your favorite alphabet government agency with it's own armed enforcement division are all doing the same thing.

And yes, this is why we have a 2nd Amendment. Does this situation call for armed confrontation? I kinda doubt it, but is it yet another brick in the wall? That's the question.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by pg on 01/05/16 at 07:32:11

How did they serve time, get released, then get sent back?  Isn't that double jeopardy?   :o

Best regards,

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by WebsterMark on 01/05/16 at 07:36:59

No, double jeopardy is about being repeatedly tried until a conviction is obtained.

They were convicted, sentenced, served time and released. However, the feds came back after wards and said the original judge did not follow minimum sentencing guidelines and ordered them back to jail for 4 years.

My question would be is that a common occurrence or was that pulled out of someone's a$$ just to punish these guys specifically. Does some federal agency routinely go through and look for minimum sentencing errors or what?  

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by verslagen1 on 01/05/16 at 08:05:05

I thought it was 2 separate occurrences.
1 they notified the agency and no one said anything about it.
Another was a backfire to a natural fire that burned 125 acres of preserve.
And they put that fire out.
They charged them under a terrorist charge which is totally bogus.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by WebsterMark on 01/05/16 at 09:08:07

I've honestly not read up on it much. I certainly don't trust the MSM to present it fairly.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/16 at 14:00:34


013334252233241B37243D560 wrote:
The price of beef has nothing to do with this.

What this is is power happy unelected bureaucrats thinking they are Lord of their Domain and they are pushing forward knowing the current Presidential administration will let them keep pushing. BLM, EPA, IRS  insert your favorite alphabet government agency with it's own armed enforcement division are all doing the same thing.

And yes, this is why we have a 2nd Amendment. Does this situation call for armed confrontation? I kinda doubt it, but is it yet another brick in the wall? That's the question.


Mark, the number of ranchers using the land that the goobs ,IMO, illegally claim, has dwindled, diminishing the number of cows to slaughter, increasing the beef price.

Watch the video of those BLM guys burning the places.
The LAND is what they want, to sell access to it to corporations.
Understand Agenda 21.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by WebsterMark on 01/05/16 at 15:16:06

Agenda 21 is bull$hit.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by old.indian on 01/07/16 at 08:41:16

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/us/native-tribe-blasts-oregon-takeover/index.html

"Out of state protesters".  etc. etc. Next thing we know Russ Limbaugh will show up (in place of "rev." Al Sharpton) and we'll have a right wing version of Fergusion complete with cries for "rednecks' rights" etc. etc.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by WebsterMark on 01/07/16 at 09:58:59

i'm pretty sure the odds of that happening are about 1,000,000,000 to 1

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/16 at 10:17:56

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T424sWq1SkE

She's a lawyer, and I think I'm in love.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by oldNslow on 01/07/16 at 19:01:11


203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T424sWq1SkE

She's a lawyer, and I think I'm in love.


Smart Lady. And absolutely correct in her analysis I think. Unfortunately I also think that that ship has already sailed. We're not getting a constitutional republic back.  

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by Serowbot on 01/07/16 at 21:48:25

Every genie story grants three wishes,... and the lesson is, no matter how carefully you word your wish, it will have another interpretation...

The lesson on the surface of these tales is,... be careful what you wish for...
...the lesson beneath is,... no action is without unexpected consequence....
...or,.. all things are open to interpretation... :-?


Even,... "Thou shalt not kill"...
Humans?... animals?... plants?... unborn?... guilty?...
self defense?...  
Literally,.. we shalt not kill... anything....
We all die of starvation...

Oh no,.. don't be ridiculous...  
We all know what he meant....





Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/16 at 22:41:38


77494844564A4B250 wrote:
[quote author=203F393E23241525152D3F33784A0 link=1451859384/15#21 date=1452190676]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T424sWq1SkE

She's a lawyer, and I think I'm in love.


Smart Lady. And absolutely correct in her analysis I think. Unfortunately I also think that that ship has already sailed. We're not getting a constitutional republic back.  
[/quote]


Certainly not while the minority grasp the concept. The Dumb Masses are in control.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by cheapnewb24 on 01/08/16 at 06:53:17


7563746971646972060 wrote:
Every genie story grants three wishes,... and the lesson is, no matter how carefully you word your wish, it will have another interpretation...

The lesson on the surface of these tales is,... be careful what you wish for...
...the lesson beneath is,... no action is without unexpected consequence....
...or,.. all things are open to interpretation... :-?


Even,... "Thou shalt not kill"...
Humans?... animals?... plants?... unborn?... guilty?...
self defense?...  
Literally,.. we shalt not kill... anything....
We all die of starvation...

Oh no,.. don't be ridiculous...  
We all know what he meant....


Perhaps the correct translation / interpretation is not "kill", but "Thou shalt do no murder."

Ever heard that explanation before?  :-?

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by WebsterMark on 01/08/16 at 07:52:03

Thou shall not murder.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by Serowbot on 01/08/16 at 08:07:33

Consider my point murdered...  :-/

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/08/16 at 20:32:32


2335223F27323F24500 wrote:
Consider my point murdered...  :-/



Not murdered. It stepped in front of the truth and got killed.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by Paraquat on 01/09/16 at 03:00:50


4D5254534E4978487840525E15270 wrote:
[quote author=2335223F27323F24500 link=1451859384/15#27 date=1452269253]Consider my point murdered...  :-/



Not murdered. It stepped in front of the truth and got killed. [/quote]

Sounds like a President I've heard of.


--Steve

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by WebsterMark on 01/09/16 at 05:49:51

Interesting story in my local paper this morning about the Bundy standoff and it's basis in Mormonism due to their strong ties to the American west. Hadn't seen those linked before. Anyone else heard that?

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by pg on 01/09/16 at 16:08:14

Hadn't heard that one, can you post a link?

Best regards,

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by WebsterMark on 01/11/16 at 06:10:34

My local paper, The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, is as worthless a piece of trash as there is..........  as Richard Nixon correctly pointed out one time. The writer of the article was born in the west, but moved to LA as a youngster. Growing up in LA and growing up in 'the west' are two vastly different things! The article was really just commenting on what others wrote. I saw a similar article in Time.

I'm wondering if some of you our west recognize this Mormon/anti government as being a real thing.

The guy who works for us in Boise is Mormon and has views similar to Bundy and anti-government west crowd. I just never thought there was a religious component to it.

Title: Re: The Bundy's are back
Post by Paraquat on 01/11/16 at 06:16:22


102225343322350A26352C470 wrote:
Interesting story in my local paper this morning about the Bundy standoff and it's basis in Mormonism due to their strong ties to the American west. Hadn't seen those linked before. Anyone else heard that?


Religious extremists!


--Steve

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