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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> NEWBIE HELP /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1440168814 Message started by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/21/15 at 07:53:34 |
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Title: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/21/15 at 07:53:34 So i just bought an 06 S40. Needless to say im super stoked on it and am really hoping i didnt just buy an absolute money pit. Anyway, bike has been sitting for a few months so once i got it in the garage I started with some general maintenance new battery, oil and filter, new spark plug, and unfortunately just purchased a starter.. sorry for rambling, new question is.. I found a hose thats not connected to anything. It appears to be coming up from a unit thats super low and just in front of the rear wheel. The hose runs up toward the carb. What is it? Also I have about 2.5 quarts of fresh oil in her and still have yet to see any in the sight glass ? Any suggestions .. More oil? thanks |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by verslagen1 on 08/21/15 at 08:28:43 carbon cannister - epa BS. that hose goes to the other side of the carb, should be a small port to the rear of the slide. note that the vac port is in front of the slide. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Chase on 08/21/15 at 15:25:26 Make bike level when checking oil |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/15 at 16:08:05 The plug? Why? I hope you cleaned out the cavity it sits in first. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by jcstokes on 08/21/15 at 16:43:00 No more oil, you may even be marginally over, as Chase suggests, have someone sit on the bike while you look at the window or get a suitable block of wood for the side stand to level it up. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/15 at 18:35:35 Why did it need a starter? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/21/15 at 20:53:44 the starter was not turning. I brought it to the shop to test it. Dude said it was no good. I could not get it to turn over. It gave one good try at turning over then just intense clicks every time i hit the ignition switch after that. checked the petcock, I'm getting fuel. Brand new battery fully charged and repeatedly hook it back up to the charger in between trys. installed a fresh spark plug, so i did have the tank off for a bit. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/21/15 at 21:08:35 I was unable to find the port out form the carb to the carbon canster hose. And unable to find much info about it. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/21/15 at 21:23:36 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
I changed it because the bike had been sitting for a while, had starting issues and its 4 dollars so if figured why not. I did not clean out what it sits in. never really though about that |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 08/22/15 at 00:29:26 First of all, welcome to the Forums at Suzukisavage.com! Here you will find absolutely EVERYTHING that you would ever want to know about the Savage/S40. The gurus here are much more knowledgeable about this bike than the techs at Suzuki dealerships, so when they give you advice...it's generally a good idea to listen 8-) As far as your problem, the carb is not that complicated. Is it one of the bowl vent hoses? (there are 2, one on each side). |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 08/22/15 at 00:33:35 With regards to your starter issue, I have a quirky starter on my '03 Savage. I hit the start button, loud click...count "one Mississippi" and then she turns over. Does that with a brand new, fully charged battery. Sometimes I even have to hit the button twice (about 1 second apart). Only does this when its "cold"...once she's been running she kicks right over. I always just assumed that was how they all were ::) |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by FerousBastard on 08/22/15 at 01:27:55 6A6A6275726B6B68270 wrote:
Sounds like your starter motor or solenoid might be shot. Try dismounting your seat and listening for where the clicks originate, the solenoid is just behind the intake snorkel below the seat. If you want to investigate further, then try bridging the terminals of the solenoid with a screwdriver, watch your fingers and wear gloves! if the motor churns then you know it's the solenoid that's shot. If not then your starter motor might be toast. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by jcstokes on 08/22/15 at 02:25:32 Check your earths. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/15 at 05:11:56 First, check the battery. If it's good, check connections, and that includes Earths.. as they say. Or, ground, as we say. That's often overlooked. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/22/15 at 19:08:14 Check carb hoses all look good. bowl vent as well. I dont understand checking grounds.. I understand what a ground is, but how do you identify it in order to check it. thanks |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/15 at 19:39:17 If you don't have a multimeter, it's time for one. Harbor Freight, cheap.. And a battery charger is essential. That's my opinion.. I think a compressor is essential for anyone who owns a vehicle. Along with antifreeze checker, specific gravity checker for batteries, jumper cables, tire plugs, etc, ET screaming Cetera,,, but I am just that way.. You can eyeball the bike, see, right by your right ankle, a wire bolted to the engine. Even if it looks okay, unless it tests zero ohms, pull the bolt, clean all contact surfaces. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/15 at 19:48:43 No mechanical work needs done except to get the starter turning the motor over. Have you ever seen the motor turn over? If not, pull the plug again, get some oil in it, let it soak, I like Zoom oil, plastic tube, trace the wall of the cylinder, then, in gear , no plug, roll it, |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Kris01 on 08/22/15 at 19:56:42 You can verify continuity (good solid connection to ground). |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/15 at 19:59:38 how to use ohm meter to check continuity Spend some time with that.. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/22/15 at 20:19:59 293630372A2D1C2C1C24363A71430 wrote:
no i have not seen the motor fully turn over |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/15 at 21:19:02 Then, that's a whole new Square one. Futzing with the carb and putting a new plug in a motor you're wanting to not be a money pit.. Step one, make sure the piston and rings don't wreck the cylinder. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by chzeckmate on 08/23/15 at 01:02:20 Have you ever tried to push start it? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/23/15 at 08:34:21 It may have been sitting long enough to need care before te engine gets spinning. That's why I typed all that. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Kris01 on 08/23/15 at 09:48:24 714E484F52557D3B0 wrote:
All I have to say to that... GOOD LUCK!!!!! You're gonna need it! I tried it once and it wasn't even thinking about starting. So I just used the starter! |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by chzeckmate on 08/23/15 at 10:21:15 122B302A6968590 wrote:
...I tried it once and it wasn't even thinking about starting.[/quote] I've push started mine a couple of times without a problem. Put it in second or third makes it easier. In this case we don't need it to start (although it would be nice) to find out what I want to know. I want to know if the piston is moving. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/23/15 at 18:40:03 Hello,,,,he's never seen it turn over. We've seen one engine damaged,, oil in it... First, then in high gear, after oil sits, try gently rocking it. No spark plug. Prove its not seized. Maybe that's why it's not turning over. Do that, then known good battery. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/24/15 at 07:46:17 [quote][/quote]Thanks Justin for all your quick responses .. heres a few more photos. still not sure about this hose. I also noticed some wire ends, not sure what those are about |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/24/15 at 07:48:51 Unidentified hose |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/24/15 at 07:49:29 .. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by chzeckmate on 08/24/15 at 12:39:57 That hose looks like a crankcase breather but too small in diameter. Is your bike a California model? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/24/15 at 22:19:19 5E6167607D7A52140 wrote:
yes its california |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by chzeckmate on 08/24/15 at 23:29:32 5E6167607D7A52140 wrote:
0E0E0611160F0F0C430 wrote:
That appears to be an evaporative emissions tube (An EPA measure on California models). Page 205 of the Clymer manual shows the routing http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag28/justin_fisher2/evap%20hose_zpsjqfzhwgk.png (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/justin_fisher2/media/evap%20hose_zpsjqfzhwgk.png.html) |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by verslagen1 on 08/25/15 at 07:49:27 19222F3829253E38232B26394A0 wrote:
Northern? Southern? you don't have to be too specific, but city or county would be nice. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/25/15 at 17:28:18 556A6C6B7671591F0 wrote:
0E0E0611160F0F0C430 wrote:
That appears to be an evaporative emissions tube (An EPA measure on California models). Page 205 of the Clymer manual shows the routing http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag28/justin_fisher2/evap%20hose_zpsjqfzhwgk.png (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/justin_fisher2/media/evap%20hose_zpsjqfzhwgk.png.html)[/quote] nice!, thank you. That looks promising . diagram a bit confusing . is that emission hose going to bottom of tank or carb ? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/25/15 at 17:29:14 6F7C6B6A75787E7C7728190 wrote:
Northern? Southern? you don't have to be too specific, but city or county would be nice.[/quote] Southern.. Murrieta |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by verslagen1 on 08/25/15 at 18:01:12 080800171009090A450 wrote:
nope that connector right in front of the carb is a disconnect. the end you're holding goes to the tank. http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/photo_1_009.JPG |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/25/15 at 18:26:29 gotch ya .. thank youj.. I found it and reattached hose. .. So starter showed up today, I hook it, double checking everything i could think of. No change! I hit the power and nothing but the click.. sounds like its coming from forward left side of the tank.. Pulling it off now to dig back in . |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/25/15 at 18:38:06 The click is the solenoid. just clap together |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/25/15 at 18:39:11 is there a fuse or anything thats directly connected to the solenoid |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by verslagen1 on 08/25/15 at 18:52:03 7171796E697070733C0 wrote:
nope, decomp control does have a connector between, check it, look for 3 wired flat connector |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/26/15 at 07:19:36 ugh I'm bummed that my issues seems to be electrical.. Im struggling to understand it. So to check connectors, ill use the voltmeter correct? thats what "checking" entails. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/26/15 at 07:25:43 You need to prove the starter is not getting power before you spend time finding out why it's not. You have a voltmeter? Connect to the power cable at the starter and ground. Hit start button. If you have power, then pull the plug, oil in, soak, gently rock in high gear, |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by verslagen1 on 08/26/15 at 08:04:44 181810070019191A550 wrote:
Make sure they are connected 1st still no joy check one of them goes to 12v when you press the starter button. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/26/15 at 19:31:12 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
I know you guys are good. But, seriously, know, prove, the starter isn't getting power. Is the fuse good? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/27/15 at 07:49:51 Alright just bought a voltmeter .. I've never used one before. Is any part of the frame a good ground? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by verslagen1 on 08/27/15 at 08:04:13 4D4D4552554C4C4F000 wrote:
any plated surface, not painted is good. bare metal can be found on the inside of screw threads too. if you're in doubt, check with the ohm meter setting on any 2 like contacts. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/27/15 at 08:18:58 so theres no setting on the voltmeter i got. it just lights up when theres power. I've been trying to find how to videos and struggling to find a good one. i just grounded to frame and put the voltmeter on powerpoint of starter and hit ignition.... nothing |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/15 at 18:27:59 Okay, then do the same thing at the solenoid. See if that dude is getting power. You really need something that gives a readout. Just a Yes , voltage No, no voltage just isn't good enough for troubleshooting. Harbor Freight, under ten bucks..kinda disposable..I use the Micronta from the eighties for serious stuff , but HF is good enough for hunting around the bike. Alligator clips that plug onto the tips are good and a wire with a clip for an extension if it's too far for the little leads. They give up pretty quick if you wrap around the meter. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/27/15 at 19:33:00 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
What part of the solenoid do I test .. The red wire in the harness ...or the solenoid itself ? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/15 at 20:39:56 One of the big wires should be hot, one of the little should be ground, and the other should get power when you push the Starter button, that is supposed to create an electromagnet, it's just a big relay, using a small current, because the starter button won't survive the current to spin the starter.. The two small wires energize a coil, creating an electromagnet, pulling two serious contacts together. I've seen them arc and weld themselves together enough to keep spinning the starter after the key is released, even removed. I had to whack it.. And, I've seen them click shut, but not pass current, due to arcing building up burned spots. You'd be way ahead with a maintenance manual and the electrical diagram. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/27/15 at 22:56:06 Is it worth just replacing? Is there much more between starter and power switch? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 08/28/15 at 01:26:32 Can our Savage motor be rotated by hand? Like, putting a wrench with a pipe on it for leverage and trying to turn the drive pulley manually? Knowing if the piston is jammed up seems to be a priority, no? Even trying to push the bike in 2nd (or even 3rd) gear for a couple of feet with the spark plug removed would at least tell you if it was seized. I never looked at our starter before...can they be bench tested like a car starter? Just hit it with jumper cables and see if it engages and spins? Can the flywheel be rotated from the starter area access point? Your starter relay should click twice (if you listen very carefully). Like any electro-mechanical relay, it will click loud when energized and softly when the start button is released and the contacts re-set. If it clicks every time you hit the starter, I would assume that the solenoid/relay contacts are OK and getting power. Whether the battery voltage is actually getting to the starter motor needs to be verified. Try to start it at night in the dark. If the headlight dims when you hit the start button, that would seem to indicate that the starter is getting voltage but is being mechanically held back (the lights dim because the starter motor stalls). If the headlight doesnt dim at all, then I'd think no juice was actually getting to the starter motor, even though the relay contacts might be engaging. Just a thought. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Dave on 08/28/15 at 03:05:16 You can remove the left side timing inspection cover (small round plug with big slot in it), and rotate the engine counterclockwise with a 17mm socket and wrench. Any yes you can "bench test" the starter by applying the (-) terminal to the frame and the (+) terminal to the threaded stud. You can also do it while in the bike.....just connect the (-) to the frame and the (+) to the stud. The compression release will not work - so don't be surprised if the starter pushes the engine up onto the compression stroke and then stops (release the cable quickly). |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/15 at 06:38:08 777A7A727C7038627C617D38666160150 wrote:
I'd either get fog oil or some of the light oil in a Zoom spout and trace the cylinder wall with the tip of the spout, before I spun the engine. Clear debris from the plug cavity prior to removal. Knowing if the piston is jammed up seems to be a priority, no? Even trying to push the bike in 2nd (or even 3rd) . for a couple of feet with the spark plug removed would at least tell you if it was seized. Stu, I've made the point twice, and mentioned that we've seen a piston and sleeve damaged by a dry start, no reply as to whether or not it's been done. The Look at it at night thing may yield nothing, but it's just So easy and can reveal a problem,, it's worth trying. I'd either get fog oil or some of the light oil in a Zoom spout and trace the cylinder wall with the tip of the spout, before I spun the engine. Clear debris from the plug cavity prior to removal. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/28/15 at 09:25:59 I have no dry started it .. Don't know if previous owner has. The headlights do dim when I hit ignition |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/28/15 at 09:27:41 46464E595E4747440B0 wrote:
But I could not get the voltmeter to light up when conacting starter while I try to start |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/15 at 18:36:41 Don't start throwing pArts at it. Get proper tools and information. You need a Real multimeter, ten bucks, You need a wiring diagram. Some of these guys are computer savvy and can post sections of it.. Or maybe point you a direction,, I can't. I had a Suzuki maintenance manual and let it go with the bike.. And I can't remember hoot about how stuff is wired. I don't even remember if the start button supplies the ground or the power to the solenoid. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Dave on 08/29/15 at 04:27:37 Capt. Crunch. Where do you live....maybe somebody with a bit of experience and a volt meter can come help you. Go to the top of the pae and look for the Icon that says 'MY CENTER". Go in there and change your settings...and add your home City and State. You might be able to hook up with some local members. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/30/15 at 17:33:46 Wildomar ,CA.. Any help would be appreciated . I'm feeling pretty overwhelmed with the electrical stuff .. I really don't want to bring it the shop but I might have too. So green wire looks to be coming from a negative of some kind of relay thats in line with the wire going to the plug. sorry dont have better description |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/30/15 at 18:16:03 then there are these.. no idea . the 8 wires going in and out of the connector |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/15 at 18:25:21 You better know who is doing the work. Haul in an electrical problem, hat in hand, they have you over a barrel. Did you get a wiring diagram? Multimeter? Nothing on the wiring harness is mysterious, you Can figure it out. You'll learn some things, and , instead of hiring someone, you spend a third of that on Shop manual Multimeter Tools. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 08/30/15 at 20:45:57 understood, thanks |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by chzeckmate on 08/30/15 at 21:17:44 I'd like to really underscore what JOG2 said. I know it can feel overwhelming to deal with electrical stuff but you've got to shake that feeling. Taking your bike in for an electrical problem is like giving out you atm card pin number. Get the multimeter from Harbor Freight for $5.95 and use the wiring diagram to resolve your issue. PM me your email and I'll send you the wiring diagram if you need it. I recently had electrical issues and felt just the way you do but with the encouragement of the members here and some persistence I resolved it. You'll feel like a million bucks resolving it yourself too. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 09/09/15 at 13:34:38 565B5B535D5119435D405C19474041340 wrote:
So all lights completely dim to nothing when i hit start button. I tried to turn 17mm nut to turn engine by hand with no success. I pulled plug and put just a bit of oil in , no change. Starting to get disappointed and pretty concern i bought a seized motor. so please walk me through testing it in gear. ignition switch on, put in high gear, and roll? wont it lock up with out the clutch on? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by verslagen1 on 09/09/15 at 13:46:21 45454D5A5D444447080 wrote:
Dim to nothing? how long are you pushing the button? anything more than a few seconds and you risk burning up your starter in the stalled condition. 10-15 seconds when spinning. Quote:
you don't need ig switch on unless you're trying to start it. if you're just trying to see if it will spin, then I'd take sparky out, make sure the top is clean 1st. put it in a big gear, easier to turn. I'd also put an ounce of tranny oil on top of the piston if it's locked up. Let it soak for at least an hour, but over nite is better. |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 09/09/15 at 14:04:45 Then just push it forward .. Clutch on ? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by verslagen1 on 09/09/15 at 15:00:46 53535B4C4B5252511E0 wrote:
what would that accomplish? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 09/09/15 at 17:16:40 Right stupid question.. So I put a solid effort to push it, couldn't get it to budge |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Dave on 09/10/15 at 03:15:51 If you can't turn the engine over with the 17mm socket on the end of the crankshaft........that certainly is not a good sign. Even with the spark plug in, an engine in good shape will turn over pretty easily until you come up onto the compression stroke. Your engine definitely sounds like it is locked up. So.....do you have the needed experience to tear it down and fix it - or do you look for a good used engine - or do you sell this for parts and get a running bike? |
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Title: Re: 2006 Savage.. Project Post by smokin_blue on 09/23/15 at 18:53:38 It's not just that your decomp solenoid is out of adjustment is it? What is the symptom that you say your engine is locked? Have you pulled the spark plug and tried turning it over with a socket on the left side crank nut under the cap with the straight slot? |
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Title: Re: 2006 Savage.. Project Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 09/23/15 at 19:26:08 Tried that, tried pushing it in 5 aswell .. Nada |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by CAPT CRUNCH on 10/02/15 at 07:58:46 Alright, I got the motor unlocked by yanking on the rear wheel. I have a good spark, fuel, air.. but weak compression. I had a potential buyer (with mucho experience) look at it. He came to the conclusion that it was most likely ran out of oil. Due to the blue coloring on the pipe. He did say he saw some wear/depressions on the cylinder or piston. He also determined that the compression was weak with his finger.. Any who, i'd really like to hear it run to listen for damage. piston or crankshaft, hopefully not both. any suggestion on firing it up with low compression? |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by verslagen1 on 10/02/15 at 08:24:06 IF he saw a depression in the piston, it's likely you have a burnt piston. This will jam the rings and they won't expand to the cylinder. Did you put in some oil on the piston? I hope so. Bluing not an indication of running out of oil, but running lean. Here's my experience with a burnt piston... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1228237514/0 |
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Title: Re: NEWBIE HELP Post by Dave on 10/02/15 at 08:30:04 The blue pipe doesn't prove or disprove anything. They can turn blue on bikes that are healthy and running great (Serowbot).....and some pipes don't ever turn blue (mine)....(Serowbot does have 5 times the mileage on his bike that I do). The one thing that can turn them blue is idling for long periods of time without moving.....like in a traffic jam. Not sure you can ever get an engine with really low compression to start. It may not be able to provide enough compression to allow the fuel to ignite. The only way to know for sure if you have a compression problem is to install a gauge and get an actual reading. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe if you were to try and start the bike by jump starting it by putting it in gear had having some big strong friends push you.....then you might get the engine spinning fast enough to get a bit more compression going before it leaks past the piston and rings. But there is no guarantee. If it were my bike. 1) The first thing I would do is take a compression test and see what it says. 2) If the compression is low - I would remove the cylinder head cover and inspect the rockers and camshaft. If those are worn out and the valves are not opening - the compression could be low. 3) If the cam and rockers look good and the cam timing is correct - then it is time to remove the engine from the frame and pull the head and cylinder and see what they look like. 4) Based on what you find from the above 3 steps....then you need to decide if you want to rebuild the upper end or get a used engine. |
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