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Title: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/02/15 at 10:02:19 Hi all, Some of you might have spotted my thread over at Dotheton, have decided to share a little here with you guys too. This thread might get a little more technical while dotheton is more styling. My first bike was a Savage and got hooked on the Single cylinder engine, have decided to get another one, but at 6'6" all legs the stock LS650 isn't exactly roomy, so have decided to tweak it in a more scrambler/tracker oriented route. 12.5" shocks, 17" rear wheel, slightly lowered front forks, a bespoke seat and a layer of clear or paint over the trimmed stock fenders, haven't yet decided on Stock metallic orange or clear over brushed steel. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/02/15 at 10:04:50 And here's the clear over steel variant. Am still gathering selling old bit and bobs to gather funds and looking for the right bike to start building on unfortunately, could start building right now, miss the feel of a good thumper ;D (PS. if anyone knows how to post more than one photo in each post please do share.) |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by tom3949 on 08/02/15 at 10:05:19 My bike is currently 'burnt orange' but I am going to go down the lacquered steel route. Perfect for a bobber! |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by verslagen1 on 08/02/15 at 10:16:49 4C6F78657F79486B797E6B786E0A0 wrote:
2 ways to post pic's. 1st is the way you're doing now, uploading the pics onto ss.com, but you can only do 1 pic. puts the burden of storing the pics on ss.com, easy for you and permanent. 2nd is uploading somewhere else like bikepics and linking the pics here. then you can do as many in 1 post as you like. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by KennyG on 08/02/15 at 12:57:55 Ferous, That is really a nice concept. I would like to have something exactly like that in the metallic orange. Mid pegs would be nice too. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/03/15 at 00:08:13 5F717A576675677C140 wrote:
Thank you sir, that means a lot. Will be detailing the build here on site specifically so it can be replicated fairly easily like the Rycas. Am planning on building my own seat and exhaust muffler, but if there's enough interest will look into having a few extras stitched up. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by zipidachimp on 08/03/15 at 01:24:03 Hello FB! ever since I saw this bike last week, I haven't been able to get it out of my mind. This is really the best alternative to a RYCA model. Really gorgeous! Imagine how many Suzuki would sell if they had the imagination! Biltwell sell a 'banana' seat that looks close to yours. Is your seat available commercially? I need to get a second bike just to try this. Thank you. ps: I might use a slightly taller flattrack bar. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by strang on 08/03/15 at 03:48:56 that seat looks a lot like a sportster seat which can be made to fit pretty easily I think. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/03/15 at 03:56:29 5D4E574E4346444F4E4A57270 wrote:
Wow that's awesome, thank you! 5D4E574E4346444F4E4A57270 wrote:
Did look into the Biltwell seat, it should fit the Savage, but it wouldn't have much passenger space and would need the fender modded for a neater look. At current it is only a concept based off the sportsters seat. But if enough people are interested i'll look into making it available for you guys. ;) |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/03/15 at 04:05:43 707771626D64030 wrote:
Right on the money Strang. The seats design is based off the sportsters, which has been made to fit several times on this forum. Add a bit of foam in the dip, trim the bottom edges back and re-cover and you could make one fairly easily. But that being said, with shipping, import and modding you'd end up in the same ballpark figure as building a bespoke seat specifically for the Savage, which would fit the bike perfectly. Why I've chosen to do the later; the base would have to be fiberglass to fit the contours of the frame, and if you made a mould it would be very easy to replicate. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by Todd James on 08/03/15 at 21:31:41 Many of us have raised the front of our seats for better comfort and to reduce sliding forward. Your seat looks good for your scrambler design, but since you are going to mold your own seat pan you might want to consider something like this: http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b527/jaytoddpics/Seat%20Mod/Suzuki-Savage-6StockTracker_001%20Seat%20Mod_zps8ee5wukz.jpg?t=1438575159 |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/03/15 at 21:36:47 we need a three d printer. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by verslagen1 on 08/03/15 at 21:47:28 77647D64696C6E6564607D0D0 wrote:
gotta link? |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by zipidachimp on 08/04/15 at 00:40:21 https://www.biltwellinc.com/p129/buy/parts-amp-accessories/seats/banana-86-03-xl-/-banana-seat-black-tuck-n-roll/ looks nice! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by strang on 08/04/15 at 03:15:14 6B747275686F5E6E5E66747833010 wrote:
;D |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/07/15 at 07:29:44 627168717C797B70717568180 wrote:
Could be pretty interesting to see if it could be made to fit the Savage, Sportster owners reports that its much more comfortable than the stock and from memory the sportster seat is more comfy than the stock seat. So a Biltwell might be a big step up for the bum. ;) Did another rendering to explore what it'd look like dressed in red. Fingers are getting a bit fidgety, need something physical to work on. Just sold an old project so am taking a drive tonight to check out a '99 with 15k km. on the odometer not far from here, might just get lucky heh |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by KennyG on 08/07/15 at 11:31:15 Ferous, Build two of the scramblers and send me one.... Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/08/15 at 06:02:53 Here she is; Black no. 13 1999 model, 16080 original Km. Almost all original. Chrome in good order and thumping like she should when the battery isn't dead. Has a minor head plug leak, but that should be manageable. The bike has been sitting for some time and only ridden intermittently, so am gonna drain the tank and clean the carb for good measure. Already has the 140/90-15 rear tire mounted with 1/2" of clearance on the swing arm so a 17" rear rim should be no problem. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by pointman on 08/08/15 at 10:17:03 Here is my interpretation of the scrambler/tracker concept. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/10/15 at 03:06:21 6F414A675645574C240 wrote:
Sorry for the late response, but am actually thinking about it! After the first one gets done it'd be fun to do a few extras to keep my hands busy. 100F090E140D010E600 wrote:
Interesting, looks cool! What mods did you make to the suspension and wheels? |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/11/15 at 13:05:01 I just dont understand the No front fender approach . Ive had crud hit me in the throat and up under the chin and bounce off the helmet, rain, puddles, all kinda reasons to slap something on there.. Yeah, they look good naked,, but,, I, YMMV, but I Need that fender.. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by pointman on 08/14/15 at 20:00:36 I will probably add a fender this winter along with a Forkbrace. To Ferous, the rear shocks are ryca 13.5 center to center. The forks are raised 1.75 inches with a one inch spacer added to each fork leg to regain fork travel. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/22/15 at 07:54:50 It is when you take on a project like this that you gain respect for people like Ryan and Casey over at RYCA, what they did is both highly inspirational and highly challenging if you intend to go down a similar route. While anyone can do a nice rendering, it takes some effort to plan out the little details, but most of you probably know this already. A scrambler is in many ways very different than a cafe racer, while a cafe was always meant to go fast a scrambler is a balance between practicality and functionality with a spritz of styling on top. http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/scrambler-motorcycle-tridays-625x416.jpg You want the riders footrests positioned in a way that is both comfortable and lets you stand up to control the bike in the rough stuff - you need mid controls positioned below the front edge of the seat, the narrowest point of the bike. In the end I've decided to work with RYCA's rearset brackets; available and sturdy and bolt a steel plate to the outside to move the controls forward enough to get those mid-controls and hopefully get comfy. The classic scrambler would basically be fitted with high pipes if the owner judged the need for it. And since I don't intend on riding in 3 feet of water, I've elected against high pipes to begin with. For a muffler, RYCA again supplies a reverse cone repacked and baffled which should work well enough to begin with. RYCA elected to install 18" wheels front and back to get the cafe look, but on a vehicle destined to go off the beaten path, you really want an 17" rear and 19" front for the best variety of offered/onroad tires. The bike itself has been a real trooper, have clocked some 500km on it up until now to get it a feel for where it's at. Only real hickup is the classic head plug leak, which I'll need to get fixed. For now I intend to ride while the heat is still in the air and begin on some cosmetic changes once the September rains rolls around. I'm not in a rush, would rather work out the details thoroughly before taking the plunge and doing something I'll regret. For now here's my latest renderings of the concept, enjoy. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/22/15 at 07:55:48 And here's another one in orange, just to show some contrast. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by strang on 08/22/15 at 10:56:28 Are you fussed about being able to take passengers? |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by Boogie_with_Stu on 08/22/15 at 11:32:59 101711020D04630 wrote:
I wouldnt think that a scrambler-type cycle lends itself to passengers. The whole concept screams " a man and his bike and the big wide world!" to me ;D You dont build a scrambler for company....it's a "me me me!" bike. Just my opinion of course...YMMV. Btw FB, that orange rendering is just beautiful. I'm not a cafe' or scrambler type guy...I like slow and steady and comfort with just a tad of vibration to remind me I'm actually on a bike....but I would definitely BUY that bike. Maybe in canary yellow or a black-white checkered flag paint scheme 8-) |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by strang on 08/22/15 at 11:38:48 I agree. So lose the 2 person seat, chase this vibe, easier and cooler. I've got a girl and she wants to come riding so I've done a brat seat. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by strang on 08/22/15 at 11:40:49 or this. Hell that even looks like a savage stock tank. I recon a tweek of commander chaos build gets you a hassle free scrambler build. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by strang on 08/22/15 at 11:47:02 Ferrous, if you go moving the ryca footpegs you will end up having to move the whole stock muffler position. I wish I'd just imported a set of their pegs but I stubbornly wanted mid-controls. Would have been riding a long time ago if I'd just gone with their cafe position and stayed stock muffler. Hell if you stay stock tank, what are you doing - sprung seat, change shocks, chuck some knobblies on there, paint, ride! I think it's good idea throwing photo shop ideas around for a while, will save you a lot of time in the long run. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/22/15 at 12:57:49 7E797F6C636A0D0 wrote:
To me Scramblers are just as much about practicality as ball out fun in the dirt, besides if my girl wants inn on the vibrations who am I to judge ;) Quote:
That depends on your definition of mid controls I think. These might be more rear-mid. Most scramblers seem to have their pegs directly below the 'waist' of the bike, just between the tank and seat so you can easily stand up and shift your weight. To achieve this on a set of RYCA controls with a stock tank, you'd only need to move the pegs forward about 2-3", just behind the engine. With a 3rd party slimmer tank on the other hand I agree that a more forward position would be more advantageous, but I think the design of the stock unit is actually rather well thought out, plus if I ever decide to get a bar mounted speedometer I'd have a nifty cup holder. Quote:
Thanks man! Hey, it'd be your bike, if you wanted lime green stripes and a cherry on top you got it ;) |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/25/15 at 11:02:19 Remember what I said about riding? I changed my mind, got talking with Verslagen and Lancer and ordered a new headplug + cam chain adjuster plus a Stage 3 cam shaft and 97mm Wiseco piston. The head plug and adjuster should be here soon, but would still need to send the cam and barrel out for treatment and boring. So decided to work and get the performance mods mounted and running so I can start breaking in the new bits before winter. Quick decisions! At the building where I live we have an old gardening shed out back, so set up shop there this afternoon and got in a few hours work on the bike. Got the tank, carb, exhaust, belt and battery box off, and am more or less ready to lay the bike on its side tomorrow to get the motor out. Love working on bikes like this! ;D |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by Dave on 08/25/15 at 11:09:32 Look at the size of that license plate! :o No wonder you need a bigger piston and hotter cam.....dragging that plate through the wind must take a lot of power! |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/25/15 at 11:21:27 774C4156474B50564D454857240 wrote:
Haha yeah! In a head wind you shouldn't expect to hit anything above 50mph ;) Legislation dictates that a motorcycle number plate this side of the pond be the same size as car plates and at a near vertical angle.. Some days I envy your fancy tiny american number plates. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by Dave on 08/25/15 at 11:55:35 In Kentucky where I live you don't need a license plate on a trailer - but you do need running and brake/turn signal lights. When I was looking to build a simple trailer I looked at what the folks in Europe were doing for their small trailers to haul their motorcycle behind a small car. I found that they have to use a very specific "board" with the tail lights and license plate all being very "proper". The trailers might be different shapes and sizes - but they all had the same type of board mounted on the back. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/25/15 at 12:09:26 53686572636F747269616C73000 wrote:
Looks familiar enough. Here in Denmark a trailer has to have it's own separate registration coupled to the cars, but that board looks like what you have have mounted when you have a bicycle hitch mounted behind your car. Quite common around here. Very proper and all, but you'd never get away with building your own trailer here in DK. If you lay even a single weld bead on a structural frame member you risk some nosey MOT employee giving you a hard time. >:( |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by Dave on 08/25/15 at 12:51:50 I would have a hard time not being allowed to build my own stuff. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by strang on 08/25/15 at 13:15:37 I put my bike through MOT with some dumbass big plate and then change it straight back to what looks good. Never been pulled over. It's pretty lax implementation of the license plate size regulation on the street here. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/15 at 21:37:23 harbor freight trailers bolt together.. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by HovisPresley on 08/26/15 at 08:30:02 252224373831560 wrote:
................................................................. Same here, my MoT (annual inspection/test) was due the other week and I had to revert to using the huge 'standard' plate. Luckily, when I bought the bike it came with both a small and standard plate. My bike has a side-mounted plate, and with the standard size it looked ridiculous. I've never been pulled over, either :) |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/26/15 at 12:33:31 You lucky brits.. Got the motor out today and opened it up to get the cam off to Lancer and the barrel off. It's clear that although run intermittently it was well cared for. No major signs of friction modifiers used in the oil inside the casing. The rocker faces still have their original machining clearly visible and so does the cam bearing surfaces. The barrel still has clear honing marks and the piston has only minor signs of rocking. While the piston has some carbon buildup it's to be expected from a bike which has been run with older gasoline. The adjuster was out to a smidge under 15mm, very slight ovalling, why Suzuki would willingly install adjusters like these on their engines are beyond me. :-? |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by FerousBastard on 08/26/15 at 12:35:22 Anyone know how to clean of that carbon so I can use this honking piston as a candy bowl? ;) |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by Dave on 08/26/15 at 13:05:17 I blast the carbon off with crushed Walnut shells in the bead blaster. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by strang on 08/26/15 at 13:31:54 this thing is gonna be good :) |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by Flint on 08/26/15 at 20:00:25 424543505F56310 wrote:
I like where you put your footpegs on your bike in the photo. Any chance of a close up shot?? I am really starting to hate the stock "forward controls" position of the pegs. If I stand up on the pegs going over a rough patch they are so far forward the gas tank is spreading my knees apart. If I go deep into a corner I scrape the pegs. |
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Title: Re: Savage Scrambler Concept Post by strang on 08/27/15 at 08:28:54 4277636F600E0 wrote:
I like where you put your footpegs on your bike in the photo. Any chance of a close up shot?? I am really starting to hate the stock "forward controls" position of the pegs. If I stand up on the pegs going over a rough patch they are so far forward the gas tank is spreading my knees apart. If I go deep into a corner I scrape the pegs. [/quote] Flint - I think your asking me? So as not to hijack Ferous's build thread I'll answer over on my build. |
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