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Title: Waco biker morons Post by Drestakil on 05/19/15 at 18:42:45 I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there were no Savage/S40 riders involved in the mess. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/waco-biker-shootout-to-lead-to-capital-murder-charges/ |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Kris01 on 05/19/15 at 19:20:12 Yeah, we're not that stupid! Besides, how can you be a 1%er with 1 cylinder? ;D |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Serowbot on 05/19/15 at 20:29:25 We got it all riding on one cylinder... that makes us 100% r's... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Dave on 05/20/15 at 03:38:23 4E584F524A5F52493D0 wrote:
Does that also mean we can only have a "concealed weapon" that is a single shot" |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by LANCER on 05/20/15 at 06:48:34 063D3027363A21273C343926550 wrote:
Does that also mean we can only have a "concealed weapon" that is a single shot"[/quote] I had not thought about that before but it is an interesting question. If so though, we might need to carry multiples; one in each boot; one on each side of the belt; & in each armpit. That way we can still be a 6-shooter ! :D |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Serowbot on 05/20/15 at 07:47:20 Apparently, the whole thing started over some guy getting his tootsies run over... I'd try an apology instead of lead... It's lighter to carry around... ...maybe buy the guy a beer... Might have saved 9 lives... Then again,.. we're probably all better off without them... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Art Webb on 05/20/15 at 07:59:33 424F404D4B5C1C192E0 wrote:
Does that also mean we can only have a "concealed weapon" that is a single shot"[/quote] I had not thought about that before but it is an interesting question. If so though, we might need to carry multiples; one in each boot; one on each side of the belt; & in each armpit. That way we can still be a 6-shooter ! :D[/quote] During the cap n ball days when you could shoot a revolver dry faster than you could reload one chamber this was a common thing to do actually, and persisted into the double action revolver with swing out cylinder days Dropping your empty revolver and drawing a second is called a 'chicago reload' to this day in some circles ;D |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Art Webb on 05/20/15 at 08:05:11 2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
Actually the whole thing started when those guys 'patched up' but this particular incident goes back to the Cossacks claiming what the Bandidos consider their territory by throwing a 'Texas' bottom rocker on their patches after the Bandidios warned them not to The parking dispute just lit the fuse on an extant powder keg This is a solid lesson on the difference between 1%rs and the rest of us |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Dave on 05/20/15 at 08:12:04 7A6C7B667E6B667D090 wrote:
I did hear that the Police got involved in the shooting. Maybe they should have just dropped back a bit and let the gangs work on each other a bit.....and then when it was over arrest the survivors. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by verslagen1 on 05/20/15 at 08:40:22 They shoulda met someplace out in the desert and kept it amongst themselves. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 05/20/15 at 08:40:50 Quote:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that when (or if) the whole story comes out, it's going to turn out that most or all of the dead were killed by the cops. I don't doubt that there was a fight, and that some, maybe a lot, of the people involved are a**holes, but IMO the official version of events smells to high heaven. As of today the Waco police claim they don't know how many, or which, cops fired their weapons. That's utter bull crap and flies in the face of the SOP of every police department in the country when it comes to officer involved shootings. And 170 arrests with bond set a 1 million bucks. For what? Being there? I bet most of those arrested didn't even know there was a fight going on till it was over. Even so-called undesirables are entitled to due process. I read in one report that the cops arrested anyone who was in possession of a Harley ignition key or key fob. And of course there is the asset forfeiture question. Even when this all works it's way through the courts and most of the guys arrested are released, how may of them do you think are going to get their bikes back, once the Waco cops claim ownership and auction them off. The Waco PD screwed the pooch on this one big time and now the CYA starts. If they hadn't been there this would have been a local story about a bar fight I believe. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/20/15 at 08:50:35 People there said that there had been rising tensions between attendees for the last coupla weeks... buut, they still had it aaaaand didn't tell cops and arrange for some undercover,, at some level I start wondering what it takes to get people to open the eyes and think.... |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Art Webb on 05/20/15 at 09:19:54 The cops knew about the tensions there, and the owners of the place refused to cooperate to try to stop it from happening the police are believed to have accounted for 4 or 5 of the dead I highly doubt ANYONE there didn't know there was a fight, what with shots being fired, a gun going off in close proximity isn't something you don't notice These aren't choirboys, they're outlaw bikers yes, they deserve due process, but when shooting starts, you can't just stand back and holler "Ya'll stop that, now!" |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by verslagen1 on 05/20/15 at 09:39:28 What I didn't hear is if there were civilians also at the restaurant or did they close it for the bikers. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Art Webb on 05/20/15 at 10:27:00 well technically they all are civilians, but I'm not sure on that point myself right now I do know no bystanders are reported hurt and over 100 rounds were fired supossedly that's a lotta lead for 9 dead and 18 injured (and not all of them by gunfire} pretty crappy shooting honestly |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 05/20/15 at 11:59:28 Quote:
Not all of them apparently. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/20/wife-biker-inmate-held-in-waco-after-deadly-brawl-says-some-are-innocent/?intcmp=latestnews Read the part about how long they might all sit in the clink until the system gets around to the bail adjustment hearings. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Art Webb on 05/20/15 at 12:22:33 unfortunately 'throw the loser in the meat wagon, and the winners in the paddy wagon' has long been a part of how the cops do things keep in mind the officers have a mess to sort out, and if they get it wrong, no one will cut them any slack, so the best course of action often seems to be 'arrest them all and let the system sort them out another saying that's relevant re the testimony of the family member 'there are no guilty people in prison' any one can, and will, say "i had nothing to do with it" because, guilty or not, no one wants to get locked up That means they have to go to jail while the mess gets sorted out I wouldn't want to be there either, especially if I were an innocent, but I also don't hand around outlaw bikers. Think about this, why would an non affiliated club be present at a meeting between rival groups of 1%s? I don'r want to rush to judgement of anyone, I'm giving it to you from the officer's point of view, assuming they're doing the job as they believe it should be done how many times recently have we heard 'the cops killed this innocent person' only to find the facts don't fit the narrative? |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Drestakil on 05/20/15 at 12:32:33 It's pretty obvious that some of them were looking for trouble. Or at least prepared for it. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/20/15 at 15:32:42 I drive prepared for a flat. I don't go looking for one. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by springman on 05/20/15 at 15:41:47 Drestakil, that was good!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by springman on 05/20/15 at 15:45:13 Dave, you're confusing the issue. The gun only has one cylinder, like the savage. And it only fires one bullet with one trigger pull. Sooo, it's a single. ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Kris01 on 05/20/15 at 19:55:52 oldNslow: Why all the hate against the cops? I haven't heard the whole story yet but I doubt the cops did anything wrong. If 2 rival gangs want to shoot at each other, what do you expect the cops to do? |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by gizzo on 05/20/15 at 22:13:04 Why does it matter who did the shooting? Main thing is , 9 outlaw bikers are dead. That's a good start... As an outsider looking in, it's no surprise US police are quick to shoot first,ask later. US seems to be a place where people shoot other people for sport. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/20/15 at 22:37:20 Im still waiting on the FBI plants name to leak... |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Drestakil on 05/21/15 at 04:56:05 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
That's me, too. I'll look for things that might cause a flat and avoid them. Same way I handle trouble, avoid it when I can but prepared for it if I can't. I'll bet the bikers in Waco that came looking for trouble weren't looking for flats along the way. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 05/21/15 at 06:33:36 Quote:
I don't "hate" the cops. I'm simply questioning the actions of a specific PD with regard to this specific incident instead of uncritically swallowing the "official" version of events. Going from that to accusing me of an ingrained animosity toward LEOS in general is a bit of a stretch. If you go back and look at most of the other posts, starting with the title of the original one, "moron bikers", I think you 'll have to conclude that most of the "hate", justified or not, has been directed at the bikers. Quote:
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Look. When the truth finally comes out it's isn't going to make anybody happy. Right now everyone involved in this sorry mess is trying to spin their version of events to their own advantage, whatever they perceive that to be. That's just human nature. Everyone involved has an agenda of some sort and no one is going to tell the unvarnished truth. I believe that when things are sorted out, to whatever extent they get sorted out, my suppositions of what happened will turn out to be substantially correct. 1. All, or most of the dead guys will turn out to have been killed by the cops. 2. Whether or not the cops were or were not justified in simply arresting everyone that was there, is one question, but charging everyone with some BS blanket racketeering law ( which was the JP, not the cops anyhow) and setting bond at A million dollars for everyone, is beyond ridiculous. Especially since, by their own admission, the Waco court system is incapable of handling that number of cases in a timely fashion. 3. The Waco PD, by their actions prior to, and during, the event, made a bad situation worse. Nothing in the above has anything to do with "hating" the cops. ' |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/15 at 07:25:42 Ahhh, O AND S, you clearly didn't get the memo. Questioning the heroes of any MSM story is hate. If you disagree with foreign policy and don't believe our troops should be in another country, well, you hate the troops. If you disagree with Israeli policy, you're an antisemite, You're either with us or against us. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by HAPPYDAN on 05/21/15 at 07:46:43 7A4C5B4D4A5F5557520F3E0 wrote:
Yep - That's one tough looking scooter. Just watch out for the little old lady in the Cadillac Escalade that ignores STOP signs. :o |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 05/21/15 at 07:52:52 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
Oh, got the memo. In fact I keep getting it. Again and again. I just try to send it to my spam folder and ignore it. :-X |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Art Webb on 05/21/15 at 15:47:00 5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:
Questioning isn't hate, stating you think the cops killed everyone and are in the wrong sounds a bit like you want to hate though there's not evidence so for to support that there's also not a lot of info period, as OnS stated, we don't yet know the facts but so far, most of the 'the cops are shooting folks wrongly' narrative has been disproved in court There's also nothing wrong with disagreeing with foreign policy, we have screwed the pooch there, but blaming the troops is hating on the troops, they don't set policy, they follow lawful orders (or lawful as far as we, and they, know) And disagreeing with Israeli policy doesn't make you an anti Semite, but there is a huge anti Semitic component among the left at the moment |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by savskad on 05/21/15 at 16:15:25 My roommate (also a biker) said that what he's been hearing is for all "bikers" to stay away from Waco. He works at the new Indian dealership just north of Austin. I don't know how accurate the statement's he heard were...but I don't wanna take my chances. It makes me wonder what the local Twin Peaks bike night turn out will be like tonight. My bike is out of commission while I install my leatherlyke bags... :'( so I suppose I'm just kinda waiting for most of this to blow over. On a side note...I'm looking forward to walking around with my leather biker jacket on through the "rich" shopping areas of town. :P |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/15 at 16:53:01 675E455F1C1D2C0 wrote:
Apology accepted |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Kris01 on 05/21/15 at 18:08:56 Hmmm, yeah, it kind of looks like the cops may have been a little exuberant at this point. I wasn't there so I don't know. I'm just a little tired of stories in the news that bash the cops for doing their job. Apology? Nah... not to be mean or arrogant or anything but I think the previous comment by oldNslow was a little premature. Please don't think I'm being argumentative. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Dave on 05/22/15 at 03:50:07 7576746F68616B6768060 wrote:
Well.....when the trouble breaks out.....I intend to have the sound of my single fading in the distance as I hustle on out of there! ;) |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/22/15 at 04:30:44 http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/20/breaking-cctv-video-of-twin-peakswaco-shooting-shared-with-ap-reporters-gunfire-began-outside-bikers-running-for-cover-police-entered-restaurant-with-assault-rifles/ The most comprehensive coverage I've seen on it. Apparently there are some people just like us, sittin in jail with a million dollar bond, which is, IMO, illegal. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Steve H on 05/22/15 at 04:39:39 I agree...we don't really know the facts yet. I'm with JOG on this one...I waiting for the gov't agent's name to leak out and some alphabet soup agency to start telling us this was some sort of sting operation gone wrong. They'll never admit it until the guy's name is out there. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Art Webb on 05/22/15 at 07:51:40 That was interesting definitely a difference in the stories there |
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Title: Re: Waco bikers Post by Drestakil on 05/22/15 at 09:46:27 OK, I definitely apologize for the title of the thread. If one of the moderators would like to change it, that would be great. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by pgambr on 05/22/15 at 14:01:13 574C15161710121D240 wrote:
The initial reports said 189 people were arrested and then it was down graded to 170. ??............ ::) Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Waco bikers Post by verslagen1 on 05/22/15 at 14:57:26 [quote author=4177607671646E6C6934050 link=1432086165/30#37 date=1432313187]OK, I definitely apologize for the title of the thread. If one of the moderators would like to change it, that would be great. :-[/quote] I'm ok with the original title... there are morons in waco, they could be the bikers or just associated with them (i.e., police) |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Serowbot on 05/22/15 at 17:54:53 Just FYI to all members... You can go back and edit your own posts, or thread titles... yourself... There is a modify button... This is not only handy for regretful comments,.. but you can correct spellings, or technical errors... ..or not... ;)... That said,.. now don't go around editing all over the place, or the threads will become confusing jumbles... ;D... PS.. I'm fine with the title as it is, too... :-?... PSS... if you do edit a post, more than an hour after it's posted.. a note will appear the bottom of the post saying when you last edited it... |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/22/15 at 18:25:38 PSSST, thanx dude. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Serowbot on 05/22/15 at 22:39:44 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote:
Tell me that was sarcasm... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 05/23/15 at 07:46:52 http://www.npr.org/2015/05/23/408926836/theyre-not-gang-members-bikers-protest-mass-arrests-in-waco NPR. One of the more balanced purveyors of news IMO. I think the less sensationalized and straightforward reporting will start to trickle out in the next days or weeks. Gonna have to look for it though. Fox, Drudge,CNN NBC ect. have already moved on. They got their rating hits. They don't really care about what went on any more. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/23/15 at 17:35:46 7761766B73666B70040 wrote:
Tell me that was sarcasm... :-?...[/quote] PS PSS Whats left? I dunno if it's sarcasm, I just thought it was funny. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Drestakil on 05/27/15 at 04:55:04 http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/ar-BBkeBjX?srcref=rss A view from the Cossacks' side. But I tend to believe it. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 05/27/15 at 05:36:35 Here's the original story. From the Washington Post a couple of days ago. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html Might be accurate. But the second or third paragraph of the Post story makes me wonder. One source. Won't be identified. In hiding 'cause he fears for his life. So, no way to corroborate his story. How did the Post reporter locate him? If he was right there to see all this in his Cossack outfit how did he manage to not get arrested with everybody else? |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by govnor on 05/27/15 at 08:40:41 It sounds like a few guys got into a fight and a lot of them were running off and trying to get people out of the way. Those guys are sitting in jail also right now on a million dollar's bond. I can't say I agree with that. If there is no proof that someone did something at least make their bond reasonable so they can go back to work while awaiting trial. I heard one of the members is a retired ex cop of over 20 years. I personally don't understand the gang culture, but that doesn't mean they have less rights than anyone else. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 06/01/15 at 15:18:42 The chickens always come home to roost. http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Biker-Sues-Waco-McLennan-County-Alleges-Unconstitutional-Arrest-Detention-305521171.html http://washingtonweeklynews.com/texas-tyranny-waco-judge-agrees-to-let-most-bikers-go-if-they-sign-a-contract-vowing-not-to-sue-for-wrongful-arrest/ First lawsuit lands on 5/29. Next business day, today, the Waco DAs office and PD go into full damage control mode. Still think this doesn't smell to high heaven? |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by HovisPresley on 06/01/15 at 16:37:36 It stinks |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 06/02/15 at 11:06:16 Keeps getting more and more bizarre. Looks like the lawyers are are just makin' sh*t up and blaming each other. http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/bikers-attorneys-battle-over-fake-litigation-waiver-rumors/article_e7712d41-80e8-5001-9bde-9e1e1a7f996d.html One of the lawyers involved managed to get a couple of his clients released though. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/02/two-waco-bikers-released/28341653/ Makes me wonder if ANYONE in frickin Waco is capable of telling the truth. :o |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by pgambr on 06/02/15 at 11:30:02 I heard through some mutual acquaintances from that area that everyone on a motorcycle got arrested regardless. Even a retired police officer on his old Harley was put in a jail and is in fact still there. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/02/15 at 16:14:34 Ahhh, the intelligent and judicious application of aw Thor uh teee.. Would someone please put that Lee Greenwood tape back in?? I shore dew need tuh hear Ahm prowd tew be uh American again. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by MnSpring on 06/02/15 at 18:41:23 524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:
Lot’s of people know about Waco and Koresh. How many know about, “Ruby Ridge”. In the end after MANY YEARS: “ … The surviving members of the Weaver family filed a wrongful death suit for $200 million. In an out-of-court settlement in August 1995, the federal government awarded Randy Weaver $100,000 and his three daughters $1 million each. The government did not admit any wrongdoing in the deaths of Sammy and Vicki …” |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/02/15 at 19:00:59 And the criminals walk,,, |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by KennyG on 06/02/15 at 20:01:37 I remember Ruby Ridge. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by WD on 06/03/15 at 12:30:55 Still steamed about Ruby Ridge, at the time I was not only patched, but a member of another large "fringe" organization, the Aryan Nations. Ruby Ridge sent a lot of folks into hiding, because they knew that if the FBI was going after someone as minor as the Weaver family, we were all on a "list"... |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 06/03/15 at 17:48:28 Interesting perspective from someone who grew up under a totalitarian government. http://bojidarmarinov.com/blog/when-they-come-for-the-smaller-groups/ OK ? Now read this. Connect the dots. http://washingtonpost.com.co/fbi-admits-all-registered-motorcycle-owners-are-on-classified-gang-list/ Pay particular attention to the last 4 paragraphs of the post story. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/03/15 at 18:16:48 Connect the dots. I HOPE people start doing that. Quickly.. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by pgambr on 06/03/15 at 19:08:01 What would it take to not be on some kind of a list? :-/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/03/15 at 19:57:11 There IS a list of people who aren't on a list,you know. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by pgambr on 06/03/15 at 20:06:20 67787E7964635262526A78743F0D0 wrote:
Please feel free to elaborate, I find that hard to believe. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by pgambr on 06/03/15 at 20:24:04 3324222E2131430 wrote:
Please feel free to elaborate, I find that hard to believe. Best regards,[/quote] http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-13/obama-declares-war-extremism-%E2%80%93-are-you-extremist :-/ |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/03/15 at 20:56:33 I was just being cheeky,sadly,I've chosen an inappropriate topic. I respect your source... Zero Hedge doesn't pull punches. Like every other War on ( insert your agenda ) IF what the war is on,against, like attitudes, and you are either agreeing with the average schmuck, or, you're extreme.. Que up Im proud to be a American again. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by pgambr on 06/04/15 at 15:41:26 Quote:
:-? |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by old.indian on 06/04/15 at 16:43:06 5C4345425F5869596951434F04360 wrote:
I'm still recovering from "The Weapons of Mass Destruction" B.S. And the "Enhanced Interrogation" line of Sh&T. As my Grandfather always said. "We have the best government money can buy..." >:( |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by HovisPresley on 06/04/15 at 16:55:54 65666E2463646E636B640A0 wrote:
I'm still recovering from "The Weapons of Mass Destruction" B.S. And the "Enhanced Interrogation" line of Sh&T. As my Grandfather always said. "We have the best government money can buy..." >:([/quote] ........................................................... And that's not even mentioning 'Operation Northwoods' ..... PS. old.Indian, I love the "Fighting Foreign Terrorism since 1492" |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 06/05/15 at 05:06:39 From "The Atlantic" Even the MSM is finally finding it hard to ignore the questions that this whole sorry mess raises. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/06/what-waco-police-wont-reveal-about-the-shootout-that-killed-9/394892/ It's alleged in the story that the Waco PD has requested permission from the State to refuse to release documents related to the incident. Not really sure how that works, but it sure makes me think they might have something to hide. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/15 at 06:32:44 IVE heard that cops were on scene and snipers set up before the Trouble started. It is possible that careful examination of video or statement s will show that some Biker Fired a shot to kick it off, justify police reaction, then get to cover. Someone remained calm, or lucky, I heard the nine dead were headshots and center mass shots. I understand chaos and hitting people in arms, shoulders, legs, butt, and some of that happened, but some of what I've heard about leaves me curious. I Really wanna know Who the dead were. Not just names, but position, who have they been around lately, etc. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 06/06/15 at 17:23:35 http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article23286006.html Quote:
Really ? Months to dig the bullets out of nine bodies and figure out what kind of guns they came from. Absolute BS. Quote:
I suspect that most of the guns that were collected had not been fired anyway, so what's that going to prove.? And the PD has already acknowledged that a lot of the weapons confiscated were not guns anyway. The only reason for "sending" them anywhere is to buy time in the hope that this will just fade away. Betcha they didn't send any of the Waco PDs guns to that "lab in DC". |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/15 at 17:41:39 Sending an unfired gun off to a lab.. IF that happened, well, too many adjectives and so little time. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Art Webb on 06/07/15 at 07:43:58 Why Washington? I'm quite positive we have ballistics labs here and yes, months is complete and utter BS |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/15 at 12:45:44 Maybe they needed a More Dependable result? Coff,coff.. As for the time, well, I have no personal knowledge, but I would imagine that creating evidence might take longer than just inspection of the evidence that exists. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Art Webb on 06/08/15 at 10:05:33 that was sort of my pont ;) |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by ihasabike on 06/08/15 at 15:08:06 5C62636F7D61600E0 wrote:
I paid enough attention to recognize a spoof news site when I see one. If you look at other articles on that site, it has an article about Sarah Jessica Parker being cast to play a horse, American Pharaoh, in the movie, of the same name and another article about Mormon leaders revealing that there is no god. At the bottom of the article, it says it appeared first on National Report, which is a well known Fake News site that describes itself as follows: http://nationalreport.net/disclaimer/ |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/08/15 at 15:38:20 And yet, WAPO printed it. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by spearheadss on 06/08/15 at 18:24:35 312E282F32350434043C2E22695B0 wrote:
WAPO didn't print it. It's a link created to look like the WAPO site. It ends with .co |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by HovisPresley on 06/08/15 at 18:35:53 ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 06/09/15 at 12:27:44 mea culpa. Looks like I'll have to be more careful about the sources of the things I link to.. The other link in my post was legit though. It's an opinion piece, not a news story, and does not pretend to be anything other than that. So; maybe no evidence leading to a conclusion that this was orchestrated at a level higher than Waco law enforcement. Maybe. At any rate, the malfeasance of the Waco PD in this incident is going to be a lot harder to deny. There seems to be a good bit of evidence about that. Some of which has already come to light, and some they seem to be trying to hide. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Drestakil on 06/11/15 at 20:32:46 A bail reduction from 1 million down to 250,000 is still going to leave a lot of bikers in jail. http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/bandido-shot-in-twin-peaks-shootout-testifies-at-hearing/article_4ad1cb30-c459-5f67-8318-6269a763f170.html |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/15 at 20:45:27 Why bail at All? The government should be forced to demonstrate that they have sufficient evidence for a trial. And I mean yesterday. How many people are in jail who had a concealed carry permit AND whose gun wasnt fired? Look up Excessive bail A quarter million? |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Drestakil on 08/19/15 at 20:37:19 http://abovethelaw.com/2015/08/the-reason-you-havent-heard-more-about-the-177-bikers-arrested-in-waco/ This is starting to smell more and more. I hope Mr. Clendenen wins his case big time. >:( Matthew Alan Clendennen filed a federal civil rights suit against Waco authorities shortly after his arrest at the biker rally. Clendennen is a Baylor graduate, a former volunteer firefighter, and small business owner who had no criminal record prior to his arrest on May 17. He’s mad as hell about how McLennan County officials treated him, and he’s not going to take it anymore. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/15 at 21:28:58 I agree in principle. Sadly, the costs of bad behavior are borne on the backs of the taxpayers, not the guilty... Wanna see change? Start digging into the right pockets. Ever notice how people in Positions RESIGN, and don't go to jail.. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Dave on 08/20/15 at 05:41:53 The thing that I find really horribly scary about all this.....is how easily an innocent person could have been caught up in this fiasco. I am a curious fellow, and if I had been driving by and seen a bunch of cool motorcycles (or cars), I most likely would have stopped to look around at the bikes. Two years ago I was on a Saturday ride and came to a town where the main street was blocked off and it was full of motorcycles....and I stopped and rode my bike in an spent an hour looking and chatting with the folks. I met the local minister who rides a scooter, and one of his flock that rides a BMW adventure/tourer. In this Waco event I could have been caught up in the arrests just like all the other folks. I have a Concealed Carry permit and would have been perfectly legal to have a gun - but that certainly would have added to my problems in Waco! There seems to be no "innocent until proven guilty" scenario going on with the legal proceedings. I am not sure how long these folks who can't come up with a million dollars of bail money have spent in jail - but I likely would have lost my job, been unable to pay for my mortgage, and lost everything I own while sitting in jail for being curious and stopping to look at the bikes. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by oldNslow on 08/20/15 at 06:36:55 Quote:
The alleged " final" autopsy results on the guys killed were recently released. Interestingly enough, there was apparently no attempt made to determine the caliber of the bullets that did the killing. They were simply characterized as "small" or "large". I doubt that we'll ever know who actually killed most of these guys. But I suspect that the Waco PD has a pretty good idea, and that if they had definitive proof that they weren't responsible, that that info would be shouted from the rooftops in order to exonerate them. Quote:
This is an extreme example of that to be sure, but sadly, "innocent until proven guilty" is no longer the SOP of far too many police agencies nowadays. The opposite is par for the course. |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by Serowbot on 08/20/15 at 06:58:35 A little more info... only 3 remain held,... most released on reduced bond... http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/updated-list-of-twin-peaks-bikers-jailed-released/article_96c8a81d-be6a-5c80-b8ad-2bf6a0cce4de.html |
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Title: Re: Waco biker morons Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/20/15 at 07:39:57 Dave's point is chilling. Where's the Obamacare for legal problems? How would anyone wrongly arrested and held on an UNCONSTITUTIONAL bond, Not go bankrupt? You hire a bail bondsman, you pay ten percent, and you'll never see that money again. A hundred Thousand dollars, gone... |
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