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Title: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/22/15 at 20:45:20 Slowing coming to fruition... VZ800 front end vegas head light gn400 fenders savage beast engine 8-) http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Beast/beast mode.jpg headlight still needs wiring front wheel may change, having trouble finding the right disc. fork guards need making seat still needs mounting a lot of this and thats still to be done. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by v-pilot on 03/22/15 at 20:48:06 Looks very nice. love the large headlight |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/22/15 at 21:04:09 The engine is from "the whiner"... the one the counterbalancer bearing blew out. I've had it back together for awhile, but never started. I got one of lancers VM carb's indirectly. poured a gallon of premium in... and she started up without any fuss. [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] after a few minutes of hurriedly setting up the fan... I wanted to see the effect of the choke and she died... man I just laid my finger on the choke, didn't even get to push it down. :o Now she won't start, she just clicks than rattles off like a machine gun. 13v on the bat, put a vm on the starter post and push the button, it reads funny... dang digital meter. take the wire off the post, key on... the vm reads 5v !?!, it read 0v when it was connected so maybe some current from the decomp controller. Next it reads 12v when I push the button. I'm thinking bad starter. any thoughts? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/23/15 at 05:14:27 The bike looks great. I love how you mounted the hose real on the rear fender ;D You could have a faulty starter solenoid. Maybe a bad ground connection. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by TNelsonFLA on 03/23/15 at 12:26:01 I love the look of the VZ800 front end. Is there a project build or post on here showing what is needed to do this? I can't imagine it's a bolt on bolt off swap. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/15 at 12:42:19 7248434A554948404A47260 wrote:
No it's not. The top and bottom bearings match but the spindle is longer. You'll need to find someone to machine it for you. That done, the forks will strike the tank. You can either make new stops or move the tank back an inch. Or a new tank. I've shifted the stock tank back while I work on the new tank from a gt550. Mounting a solo seat allows me to do that. The front disc is proving to be quite a problem, but I think I've found a solution. :-X |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/15 at 21:26:34 747E7A707B72767F212723130 wrote:
Bingo! ground was loosen when I installed the bat box. funky diagnostic readings = loose ground |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by LANCER on 03/25/15 at 05:27:22 Go 352631302F2224262D72430 wrote:
Bingo! ground was loosen when I installed the bat box. funky diagnostic readings = loose ground[/quote] Doggies |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by paulmarshall on 03/25/15 at 22:16:24 Looks cool mate. Mine use to sound like gears missing a bit like a machine gun and it was a worn starter clutch gear. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/25/15 at 23:11:23 Starter is still weak. I had shortened the starter cable, so I'll have to check the resistance of the cable. Also, I haven't used this starter before, so I'll check it with another too. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/28/15 at 22:52:42 Front wheel is changing to a spoked en500. disc thickness and diameter is the same as the vz800 bearings are available to convert the axle to 20mm axle spacers will wait until the new tires come. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by nickythegreek on 04/02/15 at 09:49:20 verslagen1, Do you know of any visual differences between your VZ800 and the VS800 front end? From my understanding the '98 VS800 just bolts on while providing a 21" tire and an upgraded brake. I believe the VS800 is at least an inch wider than the stock front end (maybe larger if tubes are bigger diameter). |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/02/15 at 10:12:57 47404A42505D414C4E5B4C4C42290 wrote:
from memmory (which isn't saying much at the moment) the vz is inverted vs vs is conventional (like savage) I know the vz is a cartridge style dampening not sure what the vs is. Quote:
The vz is about an inch wider (ctc) you're nit picking if you're counting the increase in diameter. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/15 at 11:48:05 Those fork seals are right in the nitty and the gritty. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/02/15 at 12:09:13 7E6167607D7A4B7B4B73616D26140 wrote:
they'll have pants on. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/02/15 at 12:12:03 also the vz fork tubes are 41mm I think the vs is 39, was real tempted to mod the savage trees to fit. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/11/15 at 18:44:50 It was pretty rusty, so I started working on it, then I invented something... http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Beast/wheel polishing.jpg wrap the wheel with saran wrap, several times. pour in a pound or two of walnut shells. poke an axle thru the belt is an old bicycle inner tube powered by a drill press at 600 rpms the wheels turning about 100 rpms we'll see how it does. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/11/15 at 18:56:51 That's genius... |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by KennyG on 04/11/15 at 20:03:04 Verslagen, That is the most creative tool I have ever seen on here. I have tumbled small parts, in walnut shells, in the tumbler that I use for cleaning brass cartridge cases. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Kris01 on 04/11/15 at 20:04:11 Now that's thinking outside the box at it's best! Haha...lay the drill press sideways! ;D |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by KennyG on 04/11/15 at 20:19:22 Once in a great while you see something worthwhile remembering and this Verslagen machine is one of them. Back before powder coating became popular my brother found that bead blasting motorcycle parts before painting them really enhanced the appearance. We couldn't afford a really huge bead blaster so he made one out of a 55 gallon drum. We could get almost anything in the blaster except some frames wouldn't quite fit. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Art Webb on 04/12/15 at 08:50:55 slick thinking, that should work well |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/12/15 at 12:25:03 Kenny G said Once in a great while you see something worthwhile remembering and this Verslagen machine is one of them. And while that's true, IMO, the important thing t to get from it is the total disdain for conventional thinking. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/12/15 at 14:21:53 455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:
"disdain"!?! I prefer to think I'm enlightened beyond the conforms I needed a motor with more power and lower rpm output. I was going to buy a 6' v belt for $30 but :P and on the wall was hanging this old inner tube... ding! free! I didn't have a extra pulley laying around anyhow. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Dave on 04/13/15 at 06:30:50 Well if that doesn't work...you would be surprised how well white vinegar and aluminum foil works at removing rust from chrome. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by LANCER on 04/13/15 at 07:07:04 516A6770616D76706B636E71020 wrote:
Interesting; may have to add that to my "Grandma's Favorites List". ;) I love the natural's. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Art Webb on 04/13/15 at 09:36:36 just remember that white vinegar is an acid and you gotta rinse well WD40 and foil or fine steel wool works if the rust isn't really bad, and isn't acidic, so I always try that first |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/13/15 at 11:30:51 Used evaporust to remove and coat what's there. There is still a heavy coating on the spokes around the hub. A majority of the spokes have been cleaned up with scotch bright. The hub needs to be polished up. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by KennyG on 04/13/15 at 12:38:37 Verslagen, I don't know if it is still available, but if it is Naval Jelly is really good for removing rust. Also, there is a chemical that the body shop supply wholesalers sell that removes the rust and turns the metal a dark grey that doesn't rust again. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/13/15 at 12:58:20 Ospho, Phosphoric acid, turns iron oxide to iron phosphate.. Only one layer,, wont penetrate,, |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/13/15 at 13:08:12 yeah, but I removed all the rust. shall I put it back? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by KennyG on 04/13/15 at 13:16:00 Verslagen, I am sorry, I thought you still had rust on the spokes. Kenny G :-[ |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/13/15 at 13:32:14 2D3E2928373A3C3E356A5B0 wrote:
Well, it's a bit inconsiderate, US doing everything we can to help you with rust,the Least you could do is have some. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/13/15 at 14:33:57 yes, I'm very unhappy with partially shinny spokes. once I get all the caked on corrosion off, I'll see what I can do. ;) If the wallmettos don't do the trick, I may tape off the desired shinny parts and use sand blast media. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/13/15 at 14:47:19 My spokes were literally sandblasted out of round from grit on the road. Polished by gutting parachute cord, wrapped around, polish and pulled back and forth, spokes got HOT, but never shine.. Time wasted..should've been riding. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/13/15 at 15:03:15 right, but this isn't riding time, this is prep for use. I'd be happiest with black spokes really. half shinny half corroded not so happy. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/13/15 at 15:21:05 I hope you are satisfied with the results of your efforts. I saw improvement, but, it felt like paying $5.00 for a piece of DoubleBubble. too much for too little. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Art Webb on 04/14/15 at 14:04:38 I used to deal with crusty nasty spokes all the time, as a 'porter' at a car / moto dealership just one of the reasons i HATE spoke wheels ;D |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/27/15 at 09:44:39 So the walnut shells didn't do much to remove the rust or caked zinc corrosion. Trying crushed glass now. After an hour I did open it up to see the results. The caked on zinc corrosion was gone, rust was still visible and the hub went from a polished look to frosted. No apparent effect to the chrome rim. HF has Rust-Cutting Resin Abrasive Tumbler Media, I may try that if the glass doesn't go any further to removing the rust. Also, was in a gun store and they had tumbler media. resin coated nut shells. I may cut up some resin sticks and throw it in with the walnut shell again to see if it will polish. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Dave on 04/27/15 at 10:49:10 I have tried Walnut shells in a sandblaster. They will remove carbon without making the aluminum or cast iron etched - but is does nothing to remove rust from steel or cast iron. It also won't remove stains or corrosion from aluminum. I have a vibratory tumbler that I used for removing rust from nuts/bolts before I have them plated. The initial rust removal is done with ceramic triangles that have sharp edges to cut the rust...it leave the parts with a satin finish (The ceramic is dampened with water when cutting the rust). Then the parts are dried off and ground corn cobs or Walnut shells are used to polish the surface. If you want to remove rust....I believe you are not going to have any luck without something hard, like the glass, sand, ceramic, or those Black Beauty type sandblast grits that I believe are aluminum oxide. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Art Webb on 04/27/15 at 10:58:26 Soda Blasting is supposed to be good for removing rust without damaging other finishes |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/27/15 at 11:49:07 Pouring in soda into this "tumbler" won't be the same as blasting it with high pressure. Although being able to direct it at the remaining spots would speed up the process. I'll keep going with the glass for another "day" I've been running the drill at 50% duty cycle to keep it from overheating. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Art Webb on 04/28/15 at 21:37:24 oh, I thought blasting was an option, too I doubt soda would do squat in a tumbler ;D |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by WD on 04/29/15 at 09:54:36 Wash the parts well, coat with an epoxy primer and a good catalyzed urethane top coat, and be done with it. Barring that courtesy of Commiefornia's environmental (emphasis on mental) regulations, tractor enamel. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 05/27/15 at 13:44:23 I'll have to post a new pic... the beast has changed. The EN500 front wheel works well enough with the VZ800 forks. Had to space in the caliper to match. Fork boots on, and in doing so found these are the ones without springs... air springs. Pretty easy to take apart. I'll have to read up on adjustment, seem a little stiff over a rough road. Lighter or less oil? Looks like ATF. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/15 at 22:18:57 I'm having an intermittent problem with starting. I traced the 12v signal from the starter button to the clutch switch. But don't think I found it at the decomp controller. (it started) When it doesn't start, nothing happens, no clicketty click, no bang bang. Also, the earthx battery seems to have some sort of protection. After a couple of these non-start, it blinks out and no power for a minute. http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Circuits/'96-'03Startingcircuit.jpg |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 06/03/15 at 14:48:59 Last night when the 'no start' occurred, I checked at the clutch safety and saw 1v and 12v when it would start, it also cut out just prior to the 'no start' so it could be the 12v supply for the right hand control which is from the side stand relay... hmmm... time to bypass that puppy. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Dave on 06/04/15 at 02:49:17 I have a good side stand relay I can send you....if you want it. (I took mine out of the system!). |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Boogieman on 06/10/15 at 18:18:41 Looking real nice Versy. I encourage you to keep removing stuff ;) |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 06/11/15 at 20:15:24 Found the problem, bad kill switch Made a quick fix and will be good to go for the dragon. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 10/10/15 at 12:36:14 state of the beast... |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by KennyG on 10/10/15 at 13:37:35 Verslagen, I would like to see some close up pics of your bike and the specifications for the changes that you made. The bike really looks good. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 10/11/15 at 19:13:18 I aim to take her to texas in april. she may change her entire wardrobe by then. I'm having an issue lately, she's running hot. I have an oil temp sensor on the front pressure port. At the dragon she was 210 and now she's 250. This happened after a couple of weeks back, only change was a click on the needle setting. Edelbrocks set the a/f mixture by raising/lowering the needle. I tried changing the needle from a 4K to a 7k with no change. She might be a little lean though. The only other thing I can think of is oil pressure. If the pump has gone south, there will be hot spots. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by KennyG on 10/11/15 at 19:57:54 Verslagen, You come to Texas please let me know when and where. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 10/11/15 at 20:28:56 507E7558697A68731B0 wrote:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1438888894 |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/15/16 at 08:46:35 Slight update on the beast... intruder shocks. even on the softest preload there's plenty of travel for my fat... I can see why 'bot likes 'em... there as good as the progressives. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by KennyG on 02/15/16 at 09:53:38 Verslagen, Exactly what does a guy look for to order the Intruder shocks? Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/15/16 at 10:01:13 I got mine on fleabay. and the forum intruderalert... I believe we have at least 1 member here if you don't want to resister. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/16/16 at 13:21:40 Mine, when still under warranty, used to just shhut down. Took it in, didn't happen to them, coff, coff. Wait five minutes, maybe ten, fire right up. No click, lights, horn okay, no click,, neutral, stand down, stand up, no click,, I put a switch from a dead DVD player from the single little red wire that runs right behind the decompression controller To the decompression controller. It would turn over then, even if you had the key in your pocket. Why it would start that way, I dunno. Not without the key, no, but spin, yes. Turn it on, hit that button, it ran. Finally, dunno why, it stopped shutting off. I know I did go into a switch on the bars, but can't remember which one. And I had the tank off, maybe it was a connector? Accidentally hitting the button, in gear, on the stand,, instant emergency. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Serowbot on 02/16/16 at 14:09:42 7F6C7B7A65686E6C6738090 wrote:
They's the bee's knee's... 8-) I like yer' rear fender, too... but, it needs a mudflap... ;D Totally jealous of the front one... (and the forks!)... :o... http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/rerun/rrshot051.jpg |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by hotprops on 02/16/16 at 14:10:13 versa, i had the same problem 1500 mile bike like new got stuck 2x. with different causes but similar, same ,in-that it was the white wire harness connectors that came slightly unconnected. once to the decomp plug and second to the ignition switch .i used the 2 and one zip tie method and as good measure did every fing one of them no problems since the connector keep together clips are a joke at least for the 2009 model year eta on visual inspection you could not see lack of proper contact till you tuged on it and it came fully apart >:( |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/16 at 14:57:21 I got the front fender thinking I may pop the 4 rivets connecting it to the fork bracket and attach it to the vz bracket as it has fork shields on it. I don't recall checking them on the savage forks but I had checked all that I had... 71 cb500, gs650 that would fit with some minor mods like what dave noted on the goldwing/750 fender. and there's a chrome vs900? fender that's close too. the gs series, have slightly wider mounting holes like the 750. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by pg on 02/16/16 at 15:16:18 617265647B7670727926170 wrote:
No kidding? What progressives do you have? I have the intruder shocks as well and was thinking of buying the 12" 412's heavy duty... Whatcha think? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/16 at 15:26:17 5245434F4050220 wrote:
The 412's I have are too light for me. I have a set of 418's that are just right. both are 11", the 418's have better damping then the 412's I have the intruders set to the lowest preload and I'm thinking of going up 1 click. They may feel better because of the longer throw and the lighter setting. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by pg on 02/16/16 at 15:28:05 Do you have the standard 412's or the heavy duty? Thanks. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/16 at 18:17:39 5E494F434C5C2E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Ruttly on 02/16/16 at 20:24:58 What's in the heart of Versy's Beast,engine mods? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/16 at 20:35:28 002726263E2B520 wrote:
a dash of this, a little of that, eye of newt... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1291516932 |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Ruttly on 02/16/16 at 21:39:55 36 or 38 vm ? How much does the beast weigh ? Top speed ? Yes I have to ask because mine is in progress . |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/16 at 22:03:39 neither, itsa quicksilver, don't know, don't know. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Dave on 02/17/16 at 13:25:52 7F6C7B7A65686E6C6738090 wrote:
std[/quote] In case it helps anybody...I finally found out what the spring ratings are for the Progressive 412 shocks. (It is not published and you have to get a catalog to find out). The standard rate springs are 120/170, and the Heavy Duty rate is 140/200. You can get a lighter spring that is 105/150, and a really light 90/130. (These rates are for the 12.5", 13", 13.5" and 14.25" shocks. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Ruttly on 02/17/16 at 14:04:11 Ruttly here, can you tell me about what looks like a dual air filter? Is that home made? More air in more power out,RYCA setup doesn't allow much room for air filter. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/17/16 at 15:20:13 795E5F5F47522B0 wrote:
yes, dual vw air filter. somebody with a vintage voodoo build suggested it and it really works for my build. the 2 filters are connected with a 2" tee and in turn there's a 2" to the carb intake sili rubber transition I got on fleabay. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Ruttly on 02/17/16 at 21:40:52 Would love to see a closer pic of that set up. I have been concerned that my small single filter might not give me the volume needed for my mods. I might have to steal that idea( not so much copy it) but just do my own version of it. The single filter I bought for the bike came in a 2 pack on eBay sorry fleabay so I have a spare,destiny,things happen for a reason! |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/19/16 at 19:31:02 360 lbs |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Ruttly on 02/20/16 at 00:34:12 I'm guessing that my tracker is about 315 lbs but it's still in progress. But it won't go up much if at all. Your bike is very different , I like it. Once a bike gets customized it becomes artwork of the builder , no 2 the same. I wanted something different no more cookie cutter bikes. Found me a 96 savage with 809 miles for 1500 bucks and called RYCA . 2 years later its almost done! Not so sure a dual air filter is gonna fit ! |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/21/16 at 20:31:08 Had a little problem getting it started at the Twisted Sisters. Multiple problems combining to be a b!tch. I put a battery monitor on and it has some parasitic drain. Which I expected, but the warning lights are set up for a standard bat so it more or less useless in this case... off it comes. I checked the voltage and it was 12.78v, normal is 13.28v. But it would start if the moon and the stars cooperated. But for the most part, I had to set it on the compression stroke manually. And when dead cold it did help to hold back the decomp and push cycle the engine to get it primed. Fearing the decomp was stalling, I backed off the adjustment. I shoulda had no fear, now I have to readjust it. I'm gonna have to check the charging voltage on the bike and my schumaker. I don't recall seeing the voltage over 13.3 with the schumaker so that may be causing extended charge times. And we've noted that the bike isn't meant to fully charge a dead bat. So it may have just gotten too discharged to do what it's supposed to do. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/16 at 21:01:36 So it may have just gotten too discharged to do what it's supposed to do. Happened to me about twenty years ago,,, |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 04/21/16 at 21:09:01 I forgot to note that in trying to start, the starter stalled. And the battery protection would disconnect the battery for about 5 seconds. When tried again it was out for 10 seconds. And it got to the point of wondering if it was coming back. Fully charging it made the cut out non existent or very short. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 09/05/16 at 12:25:45 I'm going to replace the auto decomp with a manual lever. Upon removing the controller, I found the connector was corroded. might explain the intermittent operation of the decomp. Working out with 2 terminals to jump... where's my keys? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by LANCER on 09/05/16 at 15:31:10 574453524D4046444F10210 wrote:
The last time I saw them Lilly had them. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 10/15/16 at 22:24:03 The continuing saga of verslagen1... worked out the jumper to eliminate the decomp controller. and she starts when the button is pushed. now to make it permanent. Update: I found the connector diagram in clymers has the pins identified by function. but now I got to work on the stocker... she's developed what I thought was a head gasket leak. Turned out to be the flange has broken off the pipe. good thing I gotta spare. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 09/02/17 at 21:51:32 Replaced the rotor, lets see if see charges now. Also replaced the fork boots, the HD boots were too short. Found some triumph boots, they are a bit long but they fit if I let rise up over the cuff. Makes it look like a dirt bike. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by madmikesmech on 09/17/17 at 16:52:24 I realise this is an old thread... but, Sharp looking bike! |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 09/18/17 at 22:14:50 Still wasn't charging after replacing the rotor... went back to square 1 and replaced the rectifier. Didn't have a spare so we went searching at a local shop... gimme something with 5 wires. Got one for a Chinese 150 somethinoruther for $7 and it works. but no sooner then that is fixed something new... she's leaning out. Today I checked out the muffler and the core is blowing out. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by LANCER on 09/19/17 at 06:55:47 504354554A4741434817260 wrote:
Need a solid baffle dude. Check Cone Engineering...all stainless...won't blow. Works good ... #1 GI ! |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by juggaloscorpio on 10/07/17 at 09:36:58 2A392E2F303D3B39326D5C0 wrote:
Can you give some direction on the fix you came up with? I am having a dying issue when at cruising speed and then it won't restart until I flip the switch on then off. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 10/07/17 at 09:43:06 Flipping the switch to get to work again was how I narrowed down the cause too. The quick fix was to short out the switch. A proper fix would be to dissemble the switch and clean the contacts. Which was something I didn't want to do before the ride as it would have been 50/50 the next day. 69766464626F6C70606C71736A6C030 wrote:
Can you give some direction on the fix you came up with? I am having a dying issue when at cruising speed and then it won't restart until I flip the switch on then off.[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by juggaloscorpio on 10/07/17 at 09:50:44 That is what I thought you would say, just wanted to ask first. I know how I am spending my Saturday now :( :-/ |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by juggaloscorpio on 10/07/17 at 10:05:44 Well darn, won't be doing anything today I guess. The bottom screw that holds the controller on the handlebar won't come undone and I am afraid of breaking the housing. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/17 at 10:12:23 Penetrating oil, wait 1/2 hour, add oil,set the screwdriver in the screw, gently tap on it several times, push it tight, give it a quick twist. No joy? Wait, repeat. An impact will break loose what straight torque will break. If you can get a handheld impact with the right tip, you'll be ahead. Patience,, |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 01/13/18 at 18:26:01 New problem or the latest continued... My exhaust temp is hot... hot enough to melt fiberglass and soften the core enough to bend due to the pressure. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/13/18 at 19:37:53 That's a bit hot, dude.. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by batman on 01/13/18 at 21:39:15 Exhaust gas temperatures can run 1300 F or more ( fuel to air ratios change depending on rpm ) at the header, fiberglass is rated to 1000 F. I cut open an old H-D muffler a while back to find that it was packed with mineral wool, which is rated for 1200 F and may be far enough away from the motor to not see damaging temperature . If you have a muffler that you can repack ,and can find ceramic insulation blanket. it is rated for 2300 F. I wonder if some of the damage to your muffler could have been caused earlier by the neg. pressure wave returning up the header at rpm that found the exhaust valve closed ,an pulled a very small amount of outside air through the broken exhaust flange ,(causing a slight after burn) driving up the exhaust gas temp?/or you may just be running lean?(don't know if either apply). |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 01/14/18 at 01:31:28 Lean is possible, especially after the rear opened up. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/08/19 at 09:34:43 The continuing saga of the lean beast. I swapped out the carb and muffler from my daily rider and it was lean even with the choke pulled out, bucking and surging. So I put in a 155 (cause that's the biggest I got) and it was a little better, but not much. I checked the valves and they were a little tight (maybe cause it's colder than a witches... heart) |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by LANCER on 02/08/19 at 16:24:33 302334352A2721232877460 wrote:
“a witches _____ “ ....... what ? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by batman on 02/09/19 at 05:26:38 What octane gas are you running? what's your Compression? Did you advance the valve or igintion timing? Is the cam chain new or stretched? Are you still running the same double filter intake? That maybe your problem. Air has mass ,and the more it has ( the larger and longer your intake) the harder it is to accelerate . The intake is designed so that the inertia caused by the piston dropping carries fuel in the cylinder up until the intake valve closes even as the piston is rising on the compression stroke. It may be that your intake air mass is to great, and the velocity, being slower, drops to zero before the valve closes ,leaning the charge in the cylinder at rpm higher than where the motor hits peak torque. (ever think about using a VM36 carb- 1 1/2"intake?) |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/09/19 at 10:51:18 91 10.5 no, no new yes, nothing was changed since it ran well. We checked the a/f 2 years ago, but it has been steadily running leaner until the core of the supertrapp melted. I put the stock carb and muffler on to try to eliminate that as a cause. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by DragBikeMike on 02/09/19 at 11:47:27 Seems to me that if it was running good the way it was, and then progressively started running leaner & leaner (to the point where it barely runs with the enricher pulled out), then you either have a fuel supply problem or a big air leak. The fuel supply issue is easy to check and I'm pretty sure you already checked it. Is it possible that the cylinder head stud that protrudes into the intake port has backed out. Is there a crack in your rubber intake? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/09/19 at 13:25:30 The stock carb takes a different rubber intake. And while it was off, I peeked in there and didn't see anything wrong. I'll have to check fuel delivery and for air leaks. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/10/19 at 13:58:33 4D4B44383A3D39090 wrote:
Gas flow out the petcock is 1 pint in 15 seconds. That can is 6" in length. I removed the bowl and caught the flow in a pan for 15 sec. again... only filled that same can by 1.25" So it would take 1 minute, 12 seconds to fill the can that way. OF said 1 cup per minute was good enough. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by batman on 02/10/19 at 21:07:59 Well it would seem that fuel delivery to the carbs are not the problem , that leaves air delivery to be the culprit . That leaves either the amount of air reaching the cylinder, the velocity of the air being to low to cause a high enough vacuum across the jets to pull in enough fuel or to atomize it into small enough droplets to burn (it's bad enough that only about 30% of the fuel is burned normally in a gas engine to begin with). So ... look at you Intake manifold, You used 2 inch silicon hose ,the inside diameter is 51mm(2 ") ,which you're now using on a stock carb of 40 mm (1.58 "),The areas of each being 3.14 sq in for the intake, but only 1.95 sq in for the carb ,slowing the velocity of the air in the intake by 1/3? I f that is not bad enough it is compounded by the double filters and Tee which may double the loss of velocity by doubling the size of the intake to 6.38 sq in. Where your intake may work at low rpm , the larger amount (mass) of air will be hard to accelerate at higher rpm when the intake valve opens,and the time to mix and fill the cylinder is limited to a few milliseconds LANCER once stated that the most useful velocity stack used in racing (that are the same diameter as the carb) were in the 6 "length . I used 2" schedule 40 pvc ,with an inside diameter very close to that of the stock carb, it is about 15"long and I have had no problems.Lancer usually recommends the smaller VM 36 carb for builds with the DR650 piston for the same reason(I believe). |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/10/19 at 22:46:13 I checked compression, 150 psi. the mouth of the stock carb is 2.25" the T is 2" and I have a silicone transition. I put paper filters on to increase vacuum, helps but not much. I ran the numbers back when I made it and it was pretty close to optimum for the rpms. and it ran like a raped ape when I 1st put it together, doin' the ton uphill kinda good. I checked the voltage at the TDI, and it was 3 volts down from the battery. Cleaned up the fuse connector and it went up to 1 volt down. I got a bottle of deoxit and I'm gonna go thru all the connectors and clean them up. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/19 at 22:53:56 I'm expecting you have fresh gas.. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 02/11/19 at 08:21:01 2D3234332E2918281820323E75470 wrote:
As fresh as dino farts can be... https://gifs.com/gif/dino-fart-vs-pig-fart-m8lNA3 |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by batman on 02/11/19 at 08:32:24 Versy ,the silicone tube may well be ok, but the tee is to large , it should be a reducing tee, 2"to the carb, but only 3/4 "to both filters, that would keep a steady velocity up in the entire intake, right now the incoming velocity is half or less as it enters the tee and is trying to play catch up as it moves down the hose. I would estimate that the total length of your intake from the valve to the ends of your tee to be about 20 " ,so your gaining boost in the 2nd ,3rd and 4th waves, at 10 ,7,and 4 % , but the large mass of air is hard to accelerate and you may not be actually be getting nearly those percentages . It may be better to shorten the intake to 13-15 inches (reducing air mass) and go to a single filter ,catching only the 3rd and 4th waves (7 & 4 %) but able to use them more fully. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 05/16/19 at 23:07:44 Tank Mount Construction You need to spacers that will fit in between the tank, rubbers and frame. The spacers are made from 1" diameter aluminum rod. One spacer will be drilled and tapped for 5/16 allen head bolts. The other is a thru hole. the rubbers fit tight on the 5/16 bolts heads. You'll need a short one and a long one that goes thru the spacer frame and halfway thru the threaded spacer. Then figure how far back by turning full lock and place the tank on the frame. You might have to space it up to have clearance for the wires. Slip a spacer and rubber in between the frame and tank and mark the location on the frame. Drill a hole thru the frame at that location and bolt the 2 spacers in place and place the rubbers on. Ok, that takes care of the front. For the back you'll make a plate that bolts into the stock tank locates and will locate 2 new holes centered on the tank mounting holes. I used pressed in threaded inserts, but you can just tap the plate if it's thick enough. http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Beast/tank%20mount.jpg http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Beast/tank%20mount%20bolt.jpg |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 10/28/19 at 09:46:57 With the resolution of the ignition problem, I'm back to the tubeless tire kick. I've found a set of EN500 wheels that were reasonable and will fit the marauder forks/300mm disk configuration. 15x3 on the rear vs 15x2.75, stock tire is 140/90x15. Had to use the entire assembly as the brake drum is larger and the damper is 4 lug rather than 6. The pulley has the same number of teeth and should be compatible as it uses the same belt as the drive pulley we're using. However, the belt seems tighter and requires the axle to be shifted forward. The whole assembly is quite a bit wider than the savage, and I've removed about a 1/2" from the brake hub to center the rim with the frame. This almost centers the pulley with the drive pulley, it's still off about an 1/8". The brake hub will require a strut rather than engage the swingarm. The pulley sticks out enough that the bolts on the pulley will hit the lower shock bolt head. I think there's a substantial amount of material on the pulley spider and I'm thinking of removing some to get the pulleys to align. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by DragBikeMike on 10/28/19 at 12:21:36 What sort of gas tank are you fixin to install Versy? Can you post a picture of the tank? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 10/28/19 at 12:31:28 7C7A75090B0C08380 wrote:
I'm still using the stock tank shifted back an inch or so. But, I do have the same tank Dave is using (modified with a hammer instead of a welder) 8-) |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/22/22 at 17:25:31 Beast has new shoes from an EN500 |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/22 at 18:55:17 All Bidniss! |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by TheSneeze on 03/22/22 at 21:53:20 I like the wheels. Nice ride, Versy! |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/22 at 22:35:09 Versy, howzat windscreen work for you? You're a pretty good sized guy, right? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Dave on 03/23/22 at 00:28:58 7E6167607D7A4B7B4B73616D26140 wrote:
It keeps the bugs off his chin.......... ;) |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/22 at 07:08:39 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
That big headlight is almost enough for me... I like a lot of air in the summer and it just keeps it off my chest. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/22 at 08:28:39 The first time I rode behind a shield I really liked not needing to hang on and fight the wind out on the big road. That size looks good, it's not big,shoving tons of air and distracting from the I mean Bidniss Look of the bike. I really like that setup. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by DragBikeMike on 03/23/22 at 12:43:48 The Beast looks slick Versy. Losing the tubes is about as good as it gets, and the wheels look factory. What sort of carbonator ya got on there? And is that a special header pipe? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/22 at 14:40:20 66606F13111612220 wrote:
The wheels are not bolt on... in case anyone's thinking about it. Stock header and the carb is an Edelbrock quicksilver. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by och on 03/23/22 at 15:46:52 Are these alloy wheels on the S40?! Which ones are they, and what does it take to make them fit? |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/22 at 16:16:53 737F741C0 wrote:
Since it's an '88, it's not a S40 But yes they are alloy They are from an EN500 It takes a VZ800 front end, custom fender adapters and GN400 fenders. Custom fitted wheel bearings and spacers, machining, welding, and hammer to fit. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by och on 03/23/22 at 16:32:06 Yeah, that sounds like a lot of work. Wish there were a set of alloys that are a direct swap on the S40 with no mods. |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by Dave on 03/23/22 at 17:32:23 7B777C140 wrote:
There is an option that is relatively easy. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1366486692 |
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Title: Re: Versy's beast Post by ohiomoto on 03/23/22 at 17:48:46 Those forks are pretty cool! Not many LS650s with inverted forks. I recall someone who did Ducati forks and swingarm on one a few years back. And there was that insane streetfighter where the guy fabricated custom swingarm and all kinds of crazy crap. And maybe the Drog Moto monoshock build??? |
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