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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1426816929 Message started by swing69 on 03/19/15 at 19:02:09 |
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Title: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 03/19/15 at 19:02:09 As you guys know, I bought a used RYCA from a fellow in south Jersey a couple of months ago. He bought it from a guy in north Jersey.....Here is the original build gallery picts from RYCAs site. http://www.rycamotors.com/customer_builds/ryca_customer_epena.html I guess this is the "before" pict. set. There are several things that I want to do to this bike: "Gary's Famous" front fork mod, add rear brake switch, add rear brake pedal stop, add front fender, get new rear shocks, clean up wiring and fit/finish, replace the chopped ABS front headlight and finally, REPAINT! For some reason, the paint is 'matte' green (crappy rattle can). Wheels and spokes are rattle canned black (peeling in spots). Generally the cosmetics all need going over. Its a shame....it was so close to the finish line. I'm going to post update picts and status posts as I go. Its probably the first RYCA restoration! lol |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 03/19/15 at 19:13:02 Status 3/19: Bike on the lift. Gas tank, side covers, seat removed. Sidecover glue removed from brackets and the covers (STINKS when ground off!!!) Removed tail light bracket from the seat base. I'm gonna need to buy some of that RYCA superglue! Lightly glassbeaded the seat and sidecover. Lightly glass beaded the side cover brackets and seat bracket (some rust); repainted black and cleared. Inspection notes: some clipped wires are just bare. need to terminate them properly. A relay and 2 pigtail fell off when the tank was removed. Not OEM suzuki....not sure what this is for, no markings. Will post pict soon. tank light indicator plasic piece is broken. may replace OR relocate lights and switch. I saw a pict of a smoothed tank...looked sweet! Found rear brake switch pigtail tucked up under the seat. wires on coil tapped into (not sure why) with crimp type splices. yuck...they gotta go.... I like solder and shrink wrap much better. Ordered off ebay: lower triple tree to mod into upper for the "Gary's Famous" mod. Ordered the adj. fork caps too. Need to order emulators and the springs. I have "Daves" bike lever control decomp. lever kit to install. I also have the Tkat brace. Also got a stock headlamp from another lister here. I don't think I need much else right now....... Question: how darn tight a fit is that battery into the holder!! lol sheesh...I'll need a crowbar to remove it! |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 03/19/15 at 20:15:15 Emulators to be ordered: FEGV S3801 Springs to be ordered: FRSP S2938075 I used the Racetech spring calculator: SR500 plugged in. Modified weight of the bike between 320 - 330 #s. Rider weight 190#s. lowest street value: .732 - - highest RR value: .785 So; best bet is the .75s for me. Parts to go on order this weekend. where is the money with wings emoticon? |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/19/15 at 21:07:28 Gary? Who's Gary? We have a relatively famous , well, quite a few of this bunch are well known to everyone ON the forum . |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/20/15 at 05:54:49 6A6E70777E2F20190 wrote:
Yeah, 0.75kg/mm should work perfectly. Remember, since you are using the adjustable fork caps you'll need to keep two of the OEM washers for use under each cap. The washers that RT supplies are too small to sit flush under the caps. Set your preload at 15mm, which should be 7mm below the top of the fork tube (the caps are 22mm deep, so 22-15=7). Justin, I'm not famous, but I just might be infamous. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 03/20/15 at 11:16:32 Final tally on parts with shipping and source: used lower to convert to an upper, fleabay $38.64 new adj. fork caps, fleabay $$39.99 FEGV S3801 emulators, Amazon $125.60 FRSP S2938075 springs, Amazon $128.73 $332.96 + Tkat brace that I have on hand. not bad. Rear shocks are PRICEY. not sure how good the RYCA provided units are. My guess. balance of cost and performance. Probably room to improve here too. Time and riding will tell. I'll yield to Gary in NJ on this one, since he's riding first! sorry: WAY too many Garys on this site. I should narrow it down! |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/20/15 at 12:30:21 4F4B55525B0A053C0 wrote:
You're on your way. I can't wait for a ride report. There are many shock companys out there, but the field narrows when looking for dual shocks that are high quality. A few companies come to mind; Fox Shocks, RaceTech and Falcon. Fox has the Podium units that are made for cafe racers. I found pricing for the high-end RC1 model at $995 for the pair and $655 for the mid-line R. They are 13.8" eye to eye so they "should" work. Falcon shocks will run about $630 plus shipping from England (£425). That's for the units with damping and rebound clickers - the only way to go because I wouldn't want to have to send them back-and-forth to England for adjustment. RaceTech units that start at $700 per pair and can go to over $1,200 depending on options. But, RaceTech is a known and proven company that really supports its products. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase the $700 shocks and know that they will get them dialed in correctly. But here's something to consider. We only have 2 inches of travel. There's not a lot that can be controlled in such a short stroke. I think we'd get more bang for the buck from a simple spring rate change. Based on my preliminary sag measurements, this spring seems to be ok (so far). If I were to go with a longer shock, I think my chain will make contact with the front of the swingarm. At this point I don't have enough useful data to make any suggestions. More testing is required. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 03/24/15 at 10:34:57 Updates as of 3/23: 1) RycaShawn's front super brake (320 disk) kit on its way 2) Gary in NJ front fork mod parts on their way too. 3) research on-going for the rear shock options. 4) Bike being stripped down, to fix all little deficiencies. Planned: Dzus fitting side cover attachment. Possibly moving key and dash lights. LOVE Gerry's dash / gauges.... would like to go that route. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Jeff71 on 03/24/15 at 11:02:38 If you need the glue Ryca uses, I have an unopened one that I won't be using. Make me an offer. :) Jeff |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 03/24/15 at 17:12:04 Thanks Jeff. but I'm not sure if I need it yet. PM me with what you want for it....I could probably use it for something..... Also: Issue: I noticed that the frame cuts under the rear seat mount are no where near straight or level. The bracket with pad are ~ 1/4" above the tube ends. the two little allens on each end are holding up the rear mount. I guess some sort of tube cap repair is in order.... ::) |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/24/15 at 17:40:43 Those two mounts are what hold the OEM seat and the RYCA seat in place. It's well triangulated between those two points and the front mount. The seat pan rests on the top of the tubes, but I believe it's safe if there is a small gap. You could fill that gap with rubber with a high durometer. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 03/25/15 at 04:32:45 I don't think it is all that uncommon for the seat pan not to rest on the frame tubes - most folks don't cut those tubes all that carefully, and RYCA instructions just give you measurement to cut.....no instructions to check fit and grind as necessary to allow the seat pan to rest on the frame tubes. I did cut carefully and made a pretty tight fit - but those small screws really aren't going to have any trouble holding up any person small enough to ride a Cafe' bike. I did fill in my frame tube with some rubber plugs and silicone and ground the top of the rubber plug so that the seat pan rests on top - the rubber plugs will keep the water thrown up by the rear wheel from going down into the frame when I get caught in the rain. One thing you might consider since your frame is cut so far away - is welding nuts into the frame and then threading in a bolt so that you can adjust the height to support the seat pan. http://i45.tinypic.com/34942t1.jpg |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/25/15 at 05:04:02 32090413020E151308000D12610 wrote:
Exactly. This is written for RYCA builders of the future... When cutting the frame seat uprights you need to confirm that seat pan rests evenly across the freshly cut tubes. In order to properly establish that tubes are cut to the proper length, install two M6 bolts at the rear seat mount locations (the threaded tabs adjacent to the top of the fork tubes.). It is suggested that when you cut the tubes, that you leave them "long" and use an angle grinder to shorten the tubes to achieve a good fit. The mounting hole in the seat pan has an elongated hole to allow for some variation in the final tube length. With patience and several small "grinding events" you should be able to get the M6 bolt located in the dead center of the elongated hole in the rear seat pan mounts. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Art Webb on 03/25/15 at 12:27:45 so you gotta cut the fram tubes for cafe / standard kits? rats, I was thinking about a CS2 |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/25/15 at 12:35:23 41525457454242200 wrote:
Frame cutting is a piece of cake. Measure twice and cut once. It can be done with anything from a cut-off wheel (on a die grinder), saws-all or a hack saw. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 03/25/15 at 16:34:29 The mount on the 2 tabs seems solid. but I'm going to shim and weld something that fits better under the crossbar for the seat. I just don't trust the 2 little bolts. Maybe I'll weld in a little crosspiece just under it. thats the easiest |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 03/26/15 at 11:34:38 Shock Information: research: I'm in touch with B&J racing in Tennesee. The custom make custom valved shock by Falcon and some other companies. Some are adjustable, some are not. BUT...they all are pricey! I have a fixed valved, nitrogen emulsion shock...."DeCarbon" style too. I'm sending the Ryca geometry including the stroke (2") and length (13) requirements to him. This will put the Falcon rear shock De Carbon style cost at ROUGHLY $475 range. It will only be adjustable for preload by moving a springclip to preload the coil. There are other falcons with clickers for rebound and compression......but much more $$$. THe numbers I gave him areL 2" travel, 13" length, 320 lb bike, 50/50 weight dist., 180 lb rider. Anyone know the stock 10" shock savage spring rate? ????? Thanks |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/26/15 at 12:01:02 Assembled Eye-to-Eye length is 13.5" |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 03/26/15 at 17:46:04 thanks Gary. I thought it was 13.0. Questions: 1) pulling down the beast; I noticed I need the little metal bracket that holds the cable for the decomp. lever along with the 2 mounting screws. Mine had the foot rod decomp, so it was removed. Anyone have a spare with the 2 mounting screws????? pm me. 2) there are 4 wires in a sleeve that control the 2 gauges. red, green, blue and black. red and black are the lights, blue and green are the tach. At the coil end: green ties into the orange coil lead. black is on a ground clamp. red and blue are not connected to anything! I assume I can attach the red to any lighting "hot". what does the blue go to? (again, this is the ryca dual gauge wiring) thanks! |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/26/15 at 18:17:59 The red and blue get tied together and go to 12vdc. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Art Webb on 03/26/15 at 18:57:30 050F0B010A03070E505652620 wrote:
Frame cutting is a piece of cake. Measure twice and cut once. It can be done with anything from a cut-off wheel (on a die grinder), saws-all or a hack saw.[/quote] Lawl you never seen me use a cut off wheel, it ain't pretty :-[ |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 03/27/15 at 03:40:50 What ever the frame is made out of.....and especially the tubes for the stock foot peg mounts - it is incredibly hard on Sawzall blades. I had thought that I could be more accurate in making straight cuts with the Sawzall, and I didn't want to throw sparks and grit all over my garage when I cut my frame - so I used a Sawzall with metal cutting blades. Even with high quality brand name bi-metal blades - it was hard to make a blade last for more than a single cut. I did try cutting slowly so I didn't overheat the blades - but they became dull very quickly. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gerry on 03/27/15 at 04:43:29 Do you have a Harbor Freight near by? One of these from Harbor Freight works well for cutting those frame tubes, tabs or other projects... http://www.harborfreight.com/portable-variable-speed-bandsaw-47840.html And with a 20% coupon is only ~$66 http://www.harborfreight.com/20off-coupon912-aff-17564.html?utm_source=cj&utm_medium=aff&utm_campaign=wts-coupons&hftref=cj# I know, it's Harbor Freight, but for anything less than full production or constant use most of their stuff stands up pretty well for the home shop. Gerry |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Art Webb on 03/27/15 at 10:50:17 I have a HF electric impact rated at less than 250 lb tourque that out does my CH air impact with a higher rating ;D |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/27/15 at 11:38:42 I swear by my IR 231C. I've yet to find a nut/bolt that it can't break free. It has never let me down. They can be had for ~$100 |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/01/15 at 11:37:05 update 4-1: upper tree (was a donor lower tree) ready to go. made a fork tool (5/8" bolt and tube! thanks for the tip fellas) forks disassembled, ready for Emulator / spring work update 4-2: drilled the emulator, spring bases; swapped out tension springs to "blue" (set to 2.5 turns). drilled the damping rods - all 6 holes at 9/32! (couldn't find my 5/16!!!) - -good enough! PITA to deburr and clean the inside of the damping tubes...but its done. THINKING headlights: fork ears or single point mount. need to see some RYCAs with both! some measurements: forks C to C L ~7.5", fork tubes 38mm also: rechecked my rear shocks 13" eye to eye. Gary; you came up with 13.5" ??? wonder why the diff? :o |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/01/15 at 13:12:15 25213F3831606F560 wrote:
Because that's how RYCA markets them. I'd trust your measurement. Ride the bike with the fork changes. I think you might be surprised how well the RYCA shocks work when they don't have to do all of the work. I don't love them, but at this point I don't hate them either. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/06/15 at 11:18:28 BBK in! ready to install! Looks really slick! Started stripping the black rattle can off the wheels today with a weak stripper solution. I don't want to move the clear on the hubs. Slow, but working well. Having some trouble removing the rear wheel bearings. Any hints? Fork mod DONE! need to get some fork oil (don't want to use ATF unless I have to) Frame cleanup from green overspray continues. Gotta figure out what to do for paint. Kinda liking matte black. or red and black. we'll see. Spraymax makes a gloss clear and an mattel clear. so I may do the duplicolor / spraymax trick. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/07/15 at 17:39:04 frame stripped down of the RYCA bits. Time to fix things! Heres a few picts as it sits now. Frame cleaning and touchup underway. Trees ready...some polishing needed. Now to figure out the gauges! Notice the gap under the seat braces. pretty inaccurate cut if I must say so! Belt drive cleaned up...BBK by Shawn in waiting! |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/07/15 at 17:39:53 ,c |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/07/15 at 17:40:38 hey: how do I get more than one pict per post????????????? |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/07/15 at 17:41:49 tree |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 04/07/15 at 18:22:31 To get more than one photo...you have to use a place that will store the photo and provide an address to include in your threads. I use www.tinypic.com |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/09/15 at 08:00:53 wheels now clean. black paint removed. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/09/15 at 08:03:05 thats reflections in the chrome that looks like rust! lol the wheels are spotless!!! ;D here are the reworked shocks without shrouds. The rubbers were dug out, to slip over the shaft nuts, which limited some of the motion. this should give the designed value of travel. NOW there is ~2" of shaft exposed. before the dig, there was maybe 1 1/2 or so.... |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/09/15 at 08:04:10 paint was red/white before it was rattle canned green. seat is stripped of the green. tank next. ::) |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 04/09/15 at 09:57:25 The Shocks look good that way.....I might have to do a "chromectomy" on my shocks. It has always bothered me the way the chrome collars hold water in them after I wash the bike. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/10/15 at 16:38:42 Friday 4-10 update. Tank stripped of the army green down to red/white. I did the ala Dave hub carrier bushing mod, but used PVC rather than bronze. its really a no load situation, so I'm sure the strength is fine. Actually did if twice. first one was slightly loose, second one, a nice easy slip fit. This should fix that wobbly hub potential. Nice Idea Dave! you can see the contact points on the carrier side from the cush splines on the hub. DPO didn't have the carrier bearing spacer installed. :o |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/11/15 at 15:51:15 Wow, that bike had a nice paint job at some point. The shock mod looks great. I'll be doing the same to mine as well. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by savagelocal on 04/14/15 at 17:10:47 Shocks look good that way. I like the factory chrome look on the CS-1, but I think the CS-2 standard would really pop with the caps off like that. Nice! |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by fobmarley on 04/16/15 at 20:22:00 Frame cutting and welding. My biggest fears considering I'm new to bike customizing and don't want anything to go wrong. At least I can live vicariously through you all and slowly build the courage to make the cut! |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/17/15 at 05:08:25 No welding and the frame cutting is not complicated and is completed in about an hour. Just jump in and go. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/17/15 at 05:23:05 I took a more complicated route.....why? just because. Since the tubes were already cut a bit too short, I made some jack bolts to support the crossbrace. Overkill? yup. 3/16" steel disks with a 3/8 nut welded to the underside. Welded in the disk. Trimmed. installed a jack bolt and jamb nut. Once the seat rear crosspiece is installed, we'll raise up the screws, and lock them with the nuts. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 04/17/15 at 05:27:01 Overkill????? It has always worked for me. :) Anything worth doing....is worth overdoing! |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 04/30/15 at 19:48:20 UPDATE: Forks reinstalled. New "disk" center painted black to match the rear sprocket...then installed on the front wheel. Gauges installed. Rear wheel installed. Bodywork at painters..... Wiring "fixes" in work. still waiting for the clymer manual in the mail! :-[ |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/01/15 at 05:20:31 4F4B55525B0A053C0 wrote:
I'm not gonna lie...I really like this approach. No guess work, you'll get the seat and frame junction spot-on. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/01/15 at 10:15:26 hot rod black |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/01/15 at 10:15:46 gauge |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/01/15 at 10:16:14 side with new brake |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 05/01/15 at 10:23:22 It looks good....I painted a trailer with Hot Rod Black and I like the finish. Is it my imagination.....or is the speedometer upside down? |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/01/15 at 10:28:02 0A313C2B3A362D2B3038352A590 wrote:
LOL, I noticed the same thing. The flat black is popular these days. How durable is it? It's a finish I've been considering as well. Mike, give me details on the shop and cost if you can. I need paint. The bike looks SO MUCH better then what you started out with. Well done. When are we going riding? Flemington should be a good mid-way point. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/01/15 at 11:14:56 True Hot Rod black from a local body shop. Very durable....not rattle can stuff. We didn't like the polish of the top tree, so we powder coated it black. yes, gauge upside down. Easier to get the bulb in / out in the back for now. Once the wiring is sorted out, we'll flip it over. Bodyshop that did the paint who we trade favors back and forth, so cost ? all shops will be different. I would say commercially, $600 or so for the pieces. matte paint isn't as bodywork critical as a shiny paint. I would think that black epoxy primer would work just as well. you can even get 2K spraymax in matte black. that was our second option. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/01/15 at 11:16:49 The gauges sit kinda high right now. we may lower them. It depends if we put a small fairing on or not. Basically, we just want to get it done at this point! Fab work left? making a beltguard. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 05/01/15 at 11:20:21 Do I see a Benelli fuel tank in someone's future? |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/05/15 at 17:54:00 Benelli tank is from a little bike. too small. Wiring going on now. May need to finish it with quick. tore me shoulder, now scheduled for a "fix" in a couple of weeks. yup, torn rotator. :( I WILL be moving the key mount. I didn't think I would initially. I want to do it so I can use a tank bag. Proper signals and plate mount will have to wait. Gotta think this out. MAY or may not leave the indicator lamps in the tank. May move them up to the tree. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 05/05/15 at 18:26:01 Oooooouuch! Rotator surgery is something I see happening all around me, and I want no part of it! Hope you heal well.....Speedy Recovery isn't something to say when 6 weeks or more will be spent healing. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/05/15 at 18:43:45 I know the drill. 3 fixes on the left shoulder, 2 previous on the right. Too many sports and too much physical labor. Now into 50s, I'm falling apart! lol. Last fix was last June. fell on the ice in March and wiped out the repair! I'll be out of work 2 weeks, then back in to close out the school year. I can point and yell. good enough to get the shop closed. lol. Should be out 8! yeah, like I can do that! To the bike: Got 4 ABS long shaft, black 1156 bulb blinker assy. and a 1157 bulb type cat eye tail light coming to replace the LED stuff. I want the better lighting. Again, going to move the key (and probably) the indicator bulbs. I guess I should have sealed up the tank hole! I could alway pop in the stock indicator and speedo housing. I could pop out the speedo and install a compartment for storage (paperwork stuff). who knows. more to follow. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/05/15 at 18:44:57 Hey, I know! a handy dandy tank cupholder! ;) |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/06/15 at 16:04:32 Made a bracket for the ignition switch today. I will live just behind the starter. Got all the wiring sorted out today. All lighting is good. Thats about all I could test. Now making pigtails with connectors to speed up the tail light and signal installation. Going to use a gutted stock speedo mount for the indicators - getting rid of the ryca plate. seems the studs are a bit off where they go into the tank mounting tabs. are there 2 different patterns? or is my tank tabs off? speedo removed, but I'm keeping the glass & bezel. I need to find something fitting (3" pun intended) to fit into the space! |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/06/15 at 17:42:15 Oil pressure or voltage gauge? |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/07/15 at 17:04:44 putting this under the speedo glass...... |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Art Webb on 05/07/15 at 20:04:47 looks like a patch |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/13/15 at 05:50:01 patch installed under the gauge glass. will be keeping R / L / HB indicators. Added a green neutral light "N" |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/13/15 at 05:51:13 clip ons now moved to the top of the tree. I will have to remove the gauges to top off the fork oil, but no biggie. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/13/15 at 05:51:58 some front wiring clean up. You can see Dave's bicycle cable decomp mod installed. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by KennyG on 05/13/15 at 06:07:44 Swing, I like the patch in the speedometer opening. Where did you obtain the patch? Kenny |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/13/15 at 06:29:00 ebagh; 3" round patch. lots of different bike / car patches available. Its the only "color" on the bike..... |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/13/15 at 06:52:19 Coming along nicely. The bars above the t-clamp look like they'll be comfortable. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/13/15 at 07:44:39 visually better too with them up. here they are below. the gauge mount I have is kinda high, coupled with the 1.5" tube push through, makes the high mount clipons more appealing. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/13/15 at 07:45:37 the only visual miscue, is the tank will look to low. A tank bag will help that out. :D |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Art Webb on 05/13/15 at 08:15:25 The patch in the tank looks awesome, great idea and I agree the bars look better up top (and likely will be more comfortable) |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by KennyG on 05/13/15 at 08:57:24 Swing, The tachometer and speedometer look really good the way you have them mounted. The instruments have an "Authentic" look, and look like they belong on a Café Racer. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/13/15 at 09:11:10 The gauge mount is 1/2 of Gerry's "Plan A" mount. He went with Plan B and graciously kicked the Original to us to use here with the kids. That's the bottom half, powder coated black. the top tree was also powder coated satn black. The Plan A had provision for indicators, but we're leaving them in the tank now. plus we added the neutral lite. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by KennyG on 05/13/15 at 09:20:18 Swing, Is there a post on here for "The Plan A Mount"? A drawing maybe? Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/13/15 at 17:45:27 Gerry's build thread. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1385498224/45 |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gerry on 05/14/15 at 18:21:51 09272C013023312A420 wrote:
I can send you a drawing if you want. PM me Gerry |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/18/15 at 15:29:18 Update: Rycashawn brake installed and bled. Front fork assy complete - just need to add fork oil Front fender installed Tkat brace powder coated and installed. Perfect fit! Tank installed (way too many wires underneath!) All wiring mods done; waiting on turn signals Ignition switch bracket coated and installed. Belt guard fabricated and installed. Carb installed. All cables installed. Tomorrow: tail light install. going with incandesent rather than LED. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/18/15 at 17:22:50 H 7F7B65626B3A350C0 wrote:
How are you going to measure the height of the fork oil if the forks are installed on the bike? You want 140mm of space between the top of the fork tube (compressed) and the top of the oil level. This is measured with the GV installed and the spring, spacer and washers removed. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/18/15 at 17:48:24 A) pull the caps, springs and spacer and let the forks compress - take the measurement and add oil. B) just ask you how much oil did you put in? lol I think it was ~ 15.5 oz????? a little less than stock?????? |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/19/15 at 05:09:00 In order to take the measurement, the forks have to be vertical, i.e removed from the bike and standing upright. I know that my level is 140mm, but I'm not sure how much oil is actually in the forks. I originally topped the the forks off at a 130mm level, but found the last 1/3 of travel too stiff, so I reduced the level to 140mm. I really have no idea how much fluid are in my forks. It's in the neighborhood of 15oz...but I can't give you an exact figure. I'm still thinking about reducing the height an additional 5mm for a 145mm air gap. Mike, after all of the work you put into the forks, get this last step right. There is a big difference between 140mm and 130mm (and I suspect +/- 10mm in either direction from there). The level needs to be exactly even in both forks otherwise tuning will be problematic because each fork will respond differently to changes. You can try to wing it by adding 15oz to each fork. I think this amount will put you somewhere between 120mm to 140mm. From my experience, for someone in our weight range, 120mm is too much oil. You'll only use 50% of the available stroke (you want to use 80-90%). If you find that the last third of the stroke needs adjustment (too stiff or too soft), every 0.3 oz (easiest measured with a syringe) represents 10mm in oil height in the fork. Too stiff = remove oil / too soft (bottoming out) = add oil. I think it's just easier to remove one fork at a time and get it right. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/19/15 at 07:05:59 for now, I'm going to have to add fork oil by the ounce. I only have 3 more days to get any work done, on the bike before surgery. Then, I won't be able to do squat for a couple of months. :( goal: get it running by Friday. I won't have the turn signals or tail light installed, they haven't come in yet. side covers will also not be mounted. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/20/15 at 09:31:20 Front Brake |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/20/15 at 09:31:40 guage look |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/20/15 at 09:33:10 front look |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/20/15 at 09:33:53 right side with exh. wrap |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Art Webb on 05/20/15 at 09:41:16 Nice! Me likey 8-) |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/20/15 at 17:07:37 Racetech sticker??????? Seems my shop kids helped themselves to all the racetech stickers from my emulator / spring swap. Anyone have a pair of the small racetech stickers they aren't gong to use (or any of the other sizes...) they can send me? I want to put a set on the forks.... thanks!!!!!!Mike |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/20/15 at 21:49:00 U 71756B6C65343B020 wrote:
I have 'em. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/21/15 at 09:48:53 hugger; cut a plastic fender and attached it at the battery box bolts. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/21/15 at 09:51:41 rt side. installed rear blinkers on welded tab "ala dave". exhaust on and tight. darn header pipe holes were crossthreaded! Nothing suprises me. but I was able to get them tapped and straight (lucky for sure). Started right up. Last to do: tail light. going to a surface mount on the rear tail. Hopefully, it will be here tomorrow so I can finish it up. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/21/15 at 13:15:00 Nice job on the inner fender. What did you start with? |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/21/15 at 16:04:05 I have a preston petty off road plastic fender. I cut it in half, the cut side toward the swing arm. I painted it satin black before the install. Its normally grey. Its mounted to the two battery box back bolts only. You are welcome to have the other half. I have no use for it. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 05/21/15 at 19:00:12 It will be interesting to see if the paint stays on the Preston Petty.....I remember seeing lots of them with peeling paint back in the day. The plastic always seemed kind of waxy to the touch. Maybe the truck bed coatings will hold up better if the paint doesn't hold up. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/22/15 at 09:42:28 A L M O S T made it....just ran out of time!!!!!!! Pulling the bike off of the lift and taking it home today. I'll be out commission, and won't be able to work on anything for a few months. Status: Changed the oil and fired it up. Runs perfectly. All lighting, cables and controls work as they should. What is NOT done: sidecover mounting and rear tail light installation (still waiting :( ) Sad part? I don't think I'll get a chance to even ride it until Aug. or Sept time frame. Just throwing this out there.....anyone want to buy it????? |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Art Webb on 05/22/15 at 10:57:19 well, I'd sure like to RIDE it ;D I got too many bikes already though |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/22/15 at 13:25:30 couldn't resist; went for a ride when I got home today! just a short around the block...or two.... Observations: 1) I'm old; I need a softer seat 2) I'm old and fat; The bike is smaller than I thought it would be. 3) I'm old.....but not deaf; The friggin thing is LOUD! 4) Rides nice and flat! smooth....ride and power delivery. 5) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 05/22/15 at 18:23:19 When you are healthy again....we can fix that muffler with a table leg and/or a freeze plug! Funny coincidence is that I just couldn't resist riding mine tonight for the first time this year....even without a seat. (The seat is at Ronnie Price getting new padding and a seat cover to fix that hard seat issue). I taped some foam padding onto the seat mount. I only went for a couple of miles - but it was nice to be on the bike again after 6 months off it! :) |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/22/15 at 18:49:24 My Sparto light came in, so I'm going to mount it. I'm not thrilled with the look, but it will have to do for now. If I keep it, I'm going to replace the seat with something longer, so I can slide back another 3-4 inches. It is a bit cramped. I'm 5'10 (was 5 11 :( ) |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by LANCER on 05/22/15 at 21:51:54 7377696E673639000 wrote:
Uh oh, it's a terrible thing when you begin shrinking ! :( :-[ :-/ |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/23/15 at 04:38:48 It's so true Lancer. I was 6 foot and half an inch my entire adult life. Now over 50 I only show 6 foot even. Somewhere along the way I lost 1/2". I didn't feel it go, but go it did. The cafe bike is a tight fit. I've been riding sport bikes for 30 years and this is about the most folded-up position I've ever ridden. If you've ever ridden a Ducati, you'd feel right at home. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Art Webb on 05/23/15 at 11:39:03 I so want to ride one of these and see for myself what they're like in my more ambitious moods I keep thinking 'CS2' which isn't that different from the CS 1 imo and sometimes I even think 'cs1' |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/23/15 at 15:14:01 You loose height in: feet going flat, disc compression and posture. Life's unfair sometimes. but its better than the alternative! lol little cramped. If I could slide back 4 inches, it would make a world of difference. It might improve the looks too, since the seat hump is actually ahead of peak of the rear wheel anyway. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by botticelli on 05/24/15 at 07:12:31 I second this. My ryca cramped seating position is extremely similar to my old 748 ducati. 363C38323930343D636561510 wrote:
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by botticelli on 05/24/15 at 07:14:55 Traditionally, the cafe tail is supposed to end at the rear axle, so the ryca kit got the look spot on. In terms of comfort, I would love an extra 2-3 inches of seat space, or move the rearsets further back. One of the two. I'm 5-9 and feel cramped, at 6 foot or more the cs1 has to be unpleasant at best. 4D4957505908073E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/25/15 at 10:40:40 since I'm out of commission for the next several months.... :'( Bike listed in marketplace for $4800. Mike |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/25/15 at 13:32:18 Here is how it started in March. rattle can green....rattle can black wheels |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/25/15 at 17:49:15 how she finished up. best parts are what isn't seen...all the bodges fixed. Ride impressions? did 10 miles today: faster than I thought. gobs of torque - noise adds to the sensation I'm sure. very nimble, no wandering, no harshness, except for minimally padded seat. brakes excellent. Very predictable. Its in the garage now, in the corner, under a sheet - tender on the battery..... :-[ |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/26/15 at 05:13:42 Looks great Mike...a vast improvement from what you started with. Did you ride the bike at all prior to your rebuild? If so I'd like to hear your impression between the RYCA fork solution and the Race Tech fork solution. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by swing69 on 05/26/15 at 06:34:39 As I sit here in the surgical waiting room.....I'll tell ya. I only did a small ride. I didn't have it registered and it was 19 degrees. So, my pre purchase test ride was limited to : it runs and is properly titled! There were also safety issues. By inspection, I couldn't believe he even rode the thing. No brake stop, loose wires..... i just didn't have any confidence in it. Runs great now I'll tell you. Just wish for a better seat. If I keep it I'll adress it. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/26/15 at 07:13:56 46425C5B52030C350 wrote:
Good luck with the surgery. Hopefully Dave's cushion/pad design will be a way forward for us. When you're ready, lets meet up for a ride. |
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Title: Re: Mike A's RYCA re-do (mid march 2015 start) Post by Dave on 05/26/15 at 07:50:00 3F35313B30393D346A6C68580 wrote:
Good luck with the surgery. Hopefully Dave's cushion/pad design will be a way forward for us. When you're ready, lets meet up for a ride.[/quote] Well....I am working on it. I didn't notice it when I was there....but that color dark color in the center of the foam looks bad....really bad. That is where the hump in the fiberglass pushed the memory foam up when it was glued to the base....the blue foam is used to level and shape the seat. There will be another 1/2"of softer foam put on the top and another 1/4" of foam under the entire covering. |
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