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Message started by drharveys - FSO on 11/20/14 at 19:26:32

Title: Black Poverty / White Poverty
Post by drharveys - FSO on 11/20/14 at 19:26:32

Black poverty is urban and visible.
White poverty is rural and hidden.

There was an article on our local NPR station about a hospital closing in outstate (rural, White) Missouri. The hospital had been declining over the years, but when the legislature decided not to approve Medicaid expansion, it went under. Not only did the town it was located in lose some of its best paying jobs, but the local folks now need a 35 mile ambulance ride to obtain emergency care. For routine care they are left to their own devices to deal with a 70 mile round trip.

The state legislature is overwhelmingly Republican, with a strong Tea Party bent. It is clear that killing Medicaid expansion was seen as a way to either "not reward" or "punish" the urban (Black) poor.

Law of unexpected consequences anyone?

Title: Re: Black Poverty / White Poverty
Post by mpescatori on 11/21/14 at 06:06:14

I ask permission to post in this thread, because Italy is, sometimes, in a similar situation.

It is not "white/black", rather "urban/rural".

Rural hospitals are being routinely cut down, until they are shut down.

It is not uncommon that a young mother in labor or a more aged patiend with a heart attack has to be delivered not 10, but 30 miles away because the local hospital was shut down.
Mind you, Italy (and Europe as a whole) has a long-standing tradition of civic hospitals, or "religious" hospitals (i.e. run by a religious order).
Health care is free (almost) because it is paid for through taxes.

So when one reads that the local rural hospital is shutting down a ward, or in its entirety, the locals are all but happy.
Being driven an hour or more to the "nearest" hospital, once used to mean "they made it in the nick of time".
Sometimes, these days, it means "they sped off in great haste, and arrived at slow speed and with the emergency lights switched off - the patient had died en-route".

:P

As for "white vs. black", I learned to appreciate Norman Rockwell during my years in the US.

Here is one emblematic painting of his, "The Homecoming - 1945".

http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/Solder-return-Rockwell-45.jpg

I was also very fond of MAD magazine, and loved the way it poked fun at anything and anything... but I won't post anything on Officer Joe, lest I offend anyone.

Hang on there :)

Title: Re: Black Poverty / White Poverty
Post by Pine on 11/21/14 at 14:12:54

Being from MS .. my whole state is rural!
So yes we know this quite well. To me this speak volumes but not as most would think. Black poverty is a political football. There are entities that advocate to help this group due to political motivation.. and really not much else. White groups have NO such advocates.. no traction. I can tell you that when ANYONE does advocate for white poverty groups they are quicky called down or the funds become diluted to include already funded Black areas. I really have no answer to it. Its just sad.

Title: Re: Black Poverty / White Poverty
Post by pgambr on 11/21/14 at 15:06:51

574A5F49595B4E5548533A0 wrote:

I learned to appreciate Norman Rockwell during my years in the US.

What are your thoughts regarding Rockwells's art? I don't know what it was like during his time; although, I generally think that was the way it was or perhaps how it is supposed to be.

Title: Re: Black Poverty / White Poverty
Post by drharveys - FSO on 11/21/14 at 15:12:21

Historically, the only groups in the US identified as "pro-White" have been racist. We can thank the KKK as well as the Citizens Councils for totally poisoning the well.
Yes, there are White pro-ethnic groups, but they are for various types of hyphenated-Americans: Irish-Americans, German-Americans, Polish-, Czech-, you get the picture.
No one seems to be able to put together an umbrella group of these.
And, when you get an overwhelmingly White group that is political, they seem to get sucked back into the swamp of racism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Councils

Title: Re: Black Poverty / White Poverty
Post by mpescatori on 12/09/14 at 01:53:28

485F59555A4A380 wrote:

[quote author=574A5F49595B4E5548533A0 link=1416540392/0#1 date=1416578774]

I learned to appreciate Norman Rockwell during my years in the US.

What are your thoughts regarding Rockwells's art? I don't know what it was like during his time; although, I generally think that was the way it was or perhaps how it is supposed to be.
[/quote]

What are my thoughts on Norman Rockwell and his art ?
Absolutely, entirely positive.

Take notice, not once, afaik, did Norman Rockwell portray something negative. Ever.

He always did his best to highlight the positive even in the most grim situations.

See "The Runaway" - the happy ending is quite clear - maybe not immediate, but you can feel it's coming.

http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBcpGi22yNpomB_DMXB1bLp22JbcQmBAKm6KnjSHUk33rjD6BJ

My 25th wedding anniversary will fall during tyhe XMas Holidays, and I intend to surprise my mother and treat her to a special exposition of Rockwell's art they are having here in Rome.

http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRe8WVtwCq-b7gllczzBQra2vHauIKwufJQj-I3gQTgPeCQfd5x

Title: Re: Black Poverty / White Poverty
Post by pgambr on 12/09/14 at 05:01:59

Pesci:

I am surprised to hear someone would go to an American art exhibit while in Rome with all the treasures.

http://www.argo-platinum.com/sites/default/files/cities/photos/rome-04.jpg

http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/rome-normal.jpg

http://www.top10inrome.com/images/wp/rome_10.jpg

I suppose if you live in Rome you would want to see something a bit different ever once in a while. Although, it is difficult for me to even type that. :-?

Best regards,

Title: Re: Black Poverty / White Poverty
Post by Art Webb on 12/12/14 at 08:31:43

33253F362521322E24570 wrote:

A blanket statement, though not entirely inaccurate, I am whate, and was poor and urban growing up
but most of my neighbors were minorities, both black and hispanic, depending what projects I was living in at the time

Title: Re: Black Poverty / White Poverty
Post by tcreeley on 12/14/14 at 19:32:21

I grew up in rural Mass. on a farm and live now in rural Maine. Poverty has to do with who has the power, who does not. Every town, city, state has their ruling elite- and they keep the power and wealth. Opportunity does come to people, but if enough pieces are not there- it is not opportunity. As a kid we employed people on our farm and sawmill that lived in tarpaper shacks unless they lived on our farm. They had nothing to shoot for. They were white. Samething in Maine- plenty of people living without electricity, deer jacking to get by, working under the table. They are white. I taught their kids. Poor is poor- and they are not ever going to college. Just graduating highschool is an accomplishment.
We are a lilywhite state population wise. If we had hispanics or African Americans- racism would rear its ugly head and hold them down.
The wealthy take care of their own,

Norman Rockwell was always an inspiration to me- representing what was best in people. He had a studio a few miles north of where I grew up.