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Title: Thoughts on a next bike Post by NCSUindy09 on 10/19/14 at 10:30:20 First of all, I would never get rid of my savage. But I've been wanting something sporty. I don't care much about top top speed(anything over 140). I'm looking for a bike that handles really well and has good acceleration. Something that's not too hard to do work on is a bonus. I'm trying to stay under $3000 USD. What about the SV650? It's still a 650 so I'm not sure how much faster it will actually be. They're pretty cheap and they look good without fairing. Any other recommendations? |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/19/14 at 10:36:03 If I wanted fun,quick,but not necessarily high speed,I'd look closely at the Kawasaki 250 and 300. They have forum support at near cult following levels and are about bulletproof. |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by oldNslow on 10/19/14 at 11:49:35 Quote:
It's a 70hp 650. It will run rings around a Savage. http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/08/13/suzuki-sv650-and-sv650s-best-used-bikes/ |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by arteacher on 10/19/14 at 14:55:12 If I buy another bike it will be Triumph America. |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by Dave on 10/19/14 at 18:40:48 If you want Sport Bike sporty....any 500cc sport bike will be sooooo much faster than the Savage. And the naked bikes like the SV650 are so fast they can make your head spin....and also get you in trouble really quickly if you have a heavy right fist! If you don't care about folks impressions and just want a really fun bike, the 300 Ninja is a bunch of fun....and so is the 250 Ninja. It is about the same horsepower and acceleration as the Savage....but handles better and can cruise the interstates at 75 easily.....and gets 70 mpg! They are cheap and plentiful and you can get really nice ones for $ 2,000 or less, they are cheap to insure. Go ride some bike and see what feels and looks right to you....bikes are a very personal thing and you need to get the one that you like best! |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by NCSUindy09 on 10/19/14 at 18:49:11 Ah yeah the triumph america is beautiful. But I've got the savage for a cruiser. I'd probably pass on the ninja 250 or 300 just because of how minimal the increase in power would be. What about the ninjas in the 600cc range? Are they also indestructible? 650-750cc super sports (CBR, GSXR, R6) is what I was looking at before but i'm not sure I want the crazy in line 4 top speed. |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by MMRanch on 10/19/14 at 19:09:57 I'd though of getting a GS500 for a couple of years now. So I check on prices and millage for them when I find em. One of the most resent was advertised as ; "Runs great and only 87,000 miles.". I have looked at the parts diagram on line. They have replaceable babbitt bearing like cars do and look to be well made. I wonder if the 500 motor is the same design that began as a 425cc in the 70's or 80's , then 450cc for a while ? The motors look alike . :) |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/19/14 at 19:51:30 And Nuthing sux quite like buying a bike,then finding out about another bike that kixxbutt and costs less.. Seriously, check out the little Kawasakis, hunt up a forum, |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by oldNslow on 10/19/14 at 19:56:27 5E534345797E74692029100 wrote:
The ninja 650 is a twin. Performance is comparable to the sv650. It has taller,wider bars and the pegs are lower and not as far back as on the true sport bikes. Sort of a standard with roadracer style bodywork. The Kawasaki 600cc inline four is the ZX-6R which is a true sport bike, and much more expensive. The Kawasaki Versys uses the same motor as the 650 Ninja, but I think it might be tuned a little different. And the motor in the new Vulcan S cruiser is based on the Ninja twin. For the past few years a lot of teams have been using the 650 Ninja twin in AMA Expert Twins flat track bikes. They have been beating the Harley XR 750s pretty often, and I've read that, even tuned for racing, they don't need rebuilding as often as the Harleys. Based on that, I'd guess that in stock condition they are probably pretty stout. |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by old_rider on 10/19/14 at 20:24:07 NSCU If you can, go to a kawa dealer and see if you can test ride, the 300 ninja...trust me, I , like you really don't NEED to do 140. How big are ya? I'm 5'10, 165lbs, 30" inseam and the 300 is all the bike I want or need. I've drivin' it twice from the Florida panhandle to tennesse, and into the NC dragon area. Not a problem, handles awesome in the twisties and has enough to pass on the interstate. It runs comfortably at 65-70 even though it is a really low geared bike (you go through 3 gears getting up to 40mph). I have topped mine out at 110mph, but that was just to see what it had, I rarely go over 70 and it gets in the mid to upper 60mpg range (unless you twist the heck out of the throttle! Its hard not too! LOL) Fuel injected, water cooled, runs like a little top, makes me grin everytime I get on it (and that's every day now). Oh and its combo steel and aluminum frame keeps it at a measly 362lbs. Easy for an old guy like me to pick up. Oh, and did mention I made mine pretty? ::) http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Ninja%20300/G2253a.jpg |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by NCSUindy09 on 10/20/14 at 09:20:22 Yeah I'll see if I can arrange a test ride somehow. There is a suzuki dealership near my house so I might see if I can try an older SV650 first. Up to this point I didn't know the ZX-6R was not the ninja. I've got some friends who might let me try theirs. Thanks for the comments |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by oldNslow on 10/20/14 at 18:33:54 515C4C4A76717B662F261F0 wrote:
I think Kawasaki calls them all Ninjas, but the 300,650 and the 1000 Ninjas are very different from the Z models. Yamaha also makes a couple of bikes you might want to look at if you really want something around 650cc. The FZ6R, which is a direct competitor to the 650 Ninja, and the new FZ- 07 which is a naked bike like the SV650. |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by gizzo on 10/20/14 at 22:19:34 SV650 is a killer motorbike. Really nice, and fast enough IMO. Like MMRanch suggested, I'd recommend looking at the GS500. They are just about indestructible, and Cheap too. They look good naked and sound OK. Tough choice though, there's too much to choose from :D. (If you want to know what I'd buy, that's different. Ducati Monster. No contest. Fast, funky, reliable and can be had fairly cheaply. I'd suggest a RE Continental GT, but that's slower than the Savage so doesn't fill your needs). |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by mpescatori on 10/21/14 at 07:58:52 You come from a thumper, may I suggest you stick with a thumper or, at best, a big twin (not HD related ;) ) Yamaha makes the nice MT-1 (big 1100cc twin, meaty yet easy to ride) and the smaller and lighter MT-3 (600cc single with a cafè-racer style frame) http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPioHZTOSyq6UgPviZY6rgzDsI53YQ_8dE1ScwIMiq408z0KlUhttp://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwc-Y2dpUOFfdQQjby_kTPSfWYYFPqLRsC2sLp6Srgle8zu7FCjA The japs still make big bore enduros (Yamaha XT and the like) The japs still make mid-size twin-sports (Honda TransAlp and the like) Yet... the picture is clearly incomplete if you don't consider European manufacturers. BMW made the excellent R850, R1100 and 1150 flat twins, test ride one before you "...naaah...", you'll be surprised beyond belief ! (I certainly was... I ride a 105bhp R1200ST which will easily match the Savage's fuel economy, yet accellerate out of my socks if I dare twist the throttle!) They come in plain jane "R", RS (cafè racer), RT (long haul tourer) and GS versions. http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL2PLZl2BCCoWx2GYQdMTdJT2f6mxKUnwOl5Gk7CZirBqUB_beJwhttp://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsYND6QhWmIL9gJrkBU9gcHKf0HHZEwC6YvRrnSkC8JUPMOf7lhttp://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjikwnV5Yy-8saN6tV6zBzr5SxqNbsdmQ6D_zSw-nGDGrQirX5Jwhttp://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1XdcClMCZpcOlSvMnNlnQAewVplqkHN-zumm7CKZ9wGH9nzfo Moto Guzzi make the excellent V7, a 750cc V.twin with "only" 48bhp (51 in its very first version) which combines Italian frame design and Italian Guzzi mechanics with japanese reliability. It's over 100lbs lighter than a HD 883 Sportster, shaft drive "without" the clunky gearshift of old, terriffic fuel economy and the looks of 1970's vintage. http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmMcawML3-enPo3xkN_8hpQ9lASZijwAzbeuboiwhTCfPZMsH Guzzi also made the excellent V1100-V1200 V-twins such as the Bellagio. Pulls girls more than any Harley... 8-) http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9TLbexcT5skIfR_1TORaKxZaj9rwbFRsb0xj678NRAMdiDdfJFQ Both Guzzi and BMW may look heavy, but have the agility and maneuverability of a bicycle once going. If you want to go British, Triumph hase more models than I care remember. If you must go japanese... consider kawasaki's W650/800: brit looks with japanese engineering (Kawasaki at that !) http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS57OHzVQ2u9t70l1lq6c3Srb_PoGn1PXufHR8bkk67ZX32yIiFJw Difficult choices... ;) |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by mpescatori on 10/21/14 at 08:01:25 PS I don't even know if it's exported to the US, but CAGIVA (formerly Aermacchi HD-Italia) make the wonderful Raptor; Suzuki SV engine on an Italian frame with Italian-spec suspension and brakes... http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRO0j1YVnq5VaRZ-fS1cqHbyprrPCK4L651PQqO830YAZQfyS2k ...another kind of animal... ;) |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by PerrydaSavage on 10/21/14 at 15:30:02 All great Bikes mentioned in this Topic! Love the EX300 Ninja with the "military" paint job! Am going to suggest the Suzuki Gladius, the successor to the SV650 ... comfy Roadster ergos ... same Ducati-esque 650cc v-twin as the SV and used Gladiuses (what's plural for Gladius?) can be had cheap with low- mileage. |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by mpescatori on 10/22/14 at 10:14:15 Plural for Gladius is "Gladii", prn. Glad.ee.y (to you, Sir) OR One Gladius, two Gladys, three... er... is that your Mother-in-Law? :D |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by mpescatori on 10/22/14 at 10:20:44 706D786E7E7C69726F741D0 wrote:
http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRO0j1YVnq5VaRZ-fS1cqHbyprrPCK4L651PQqO830YAZQfyS2k See the Cagiva raptor up above ? Frame c/o "the Boys@Ducati" See the Suzuki SV 650 below ? notice the frame looks like it was welded by a plumber ? :-X http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQj4GaedjXsPbtIvFsmkSk7A3FallYg8zEOF1fkMxrCy_AP3c0l See the Suzuki Gladius here below ? http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKxH3vUiYQzYTVqdeb8xbLVVRUP9bHCn_B9_MeSfXhppeVObqQ Notice the siimilarity between the Cagiva frame and the Gladius frame ? That's because the boys at Suzuki realized you need an Italian frame to compete with the Big Boys... 8-) PS Cagiva was Ducati's sister brand for a number of years... |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by Tocsik on 10/22/14 at 10:51:46 The SV and/or Gladius was high on my list before getting the S40. In the end, I just couldn't get one for less than $4K and my S40 was only $2500 with less than 3K miles. The Gladius was originally marketed to urban hipsters but it's a great bike. The SV650 has a great following, much like our beloved Savage. |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by NCSUindy09 on 10/22/14 at 13:01:52 Wow thanks for the info. Yeah really it's just a case of choice overload. I don't know about buying anything similar to the savage though. The type of riding I've enjoyed most lately has been really fast back roads stuff. I just end up scaring my pants off trying to keep up with the rest of the group on super sports. Also screw gas mileage :P For the amount of fun, no motorcycle will ever cost too much in gas. |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by runwyrlph on 10/22/14 at 17:32:00 283520362624312A372C450 wrote:
Le's see... 2nd declension masculine... gladius gladii gladii gladiorum gladio gladiis gladium gladios gladio gladiis |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by Oldfeller on 10/22/14 at 19:37:26 I bought an SV650 intending to use it to whup the snot out of a certain sportster that showed up the Savages on our first trip to the Dragon, oh so many years ago. An SV650 really can hit 120 mph just going down the exit ramp on an interstate .... it is a 74 hp sports bike, a ducati lite in other words. Handles good, light for the displacement -- a generally excellent bike. BUT the crotch rocket style seating position puts it out of the riding style that my old bones can stand for very long. I spent 2 years trying to mod my SV to be more "short old fat person friendly" and was only able to get about half the way there and finally sold it for what I paid for it, selling the modded parts and the original parts as separate deals to the boy who bought it. The Gladus was the follow on model, it had less power and still had too much of a crotch rocket seating position. The NC 700 was of interest until I found it had a VERY tall seat and wasn't able to be modded for much due tot he gas tank position. The new Kawasaki 650 S cruiser might have more potential since it was DESIGNED to fit different leg lengths, it has a low starting seat height and it is intended for a comfortable cruiser seating position from the very get go. Since then I have learned how to eat sportsters in the curvies up in the mountains using the Savage, but have also gotten simply too old and too feeble to really like riding all that fast. |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by old_rider on 10/22/14 at 20:59:43 2F3826282824324B0 wrote:
Le's see... 2nd declension masculine... gladius gladii gladii gladiorum gladio gladiis gladium gladios gladio gladiis[/quote] And a troop of them? gladicium? I'm just glad I wasn't the scribe that had to come up with those words.... cause if I was... it would have been "zug-zug" or "ug-ug" LOL...hope you seen that movie.... :P |
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Title: Re: Thoughts on a next bike Post by mpescatori on 10/23/14 at 07:29:16 25322C22222E38410 wrote:
Le's see... 2nd declension masculine... gladius gladii gladii gladiorum gladio gladiis gladium gladios gladio gladiis[/quote] Ralph, THIS is the ROMAN GLADIUS: used in close quarter combat, its short, heavy blade ate up longer swords and beat the daylights out of clubs and maces. http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqea0st3EMxN2nYbIwOhCs3Q9Y_ZBGSGA2ovZWkAwyVsX8B25HLw THIS is the ITALIAN GLADIUS: an underground paramilitary organization kept in "sleeper" mode lest the Warsaw Pact were to become aggressive. http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXvzHUflQsfi9RmyyUDD4MH7ANBpKphkqXzH9NNxP19lF_LIKfhttp://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuggFlV8vcsYgNVvg6SUMoOO6SEeFYUP7iptFf3nQ-pf2VvQbThttp://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwS3KvSEFhHr1V0SIwLurtQt3O0CUntGsjYM197S7IMDjvCl0- Also known as "Operation Stay Behind". When somebody blew the whistle, the Italian Communist Party literally sh!t its pants. Good as their intelligence was, they had no idea... ;D |
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