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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/16/14 at 11:21:21 Okay, I heard the attorney for the family. Ive heard a few scattered bits & pieces from other interviews. The picture is starting to come clear, I Think.. Here goes,,& the first part has nothing to do with how it ended, cuz the cop had no idea that the man he was talking to had just been doing what he was doing, Apparently, Brown & a friend were walking in the street & a cop tell them to get outta the street. They didnt. Now, did they say or DO things to agravate the cop Other than just NOT do as they were told? IDK.. Mita flipped him off,, or said the equivalent, again, IDK,,, But, The word is, cop pulls alongside & as he opens his door, it hits Brown, struggle ensues, Gun goes off,Now, IDK if Brown is already running away when it goes off or if he runs when it does,, BUT,, according to the attorney, Brown had some distance between him & the cop, a shot is fired, he stops, raises his hands & surrenders.. THEN he gets shot &, from what Ive heard, he is down & the cop comes up & finishes him off.. Now, the fact that they have some sketchy security cam video of a man who LOOKS like Brown, AT the store that had Snitch painted on it and burned, throttling the clerk & taking some cigars has no bearing on this incident directly, but, IMO, that does play into being able to get some idea as to the mindset of Mr. Brown at the time of the incident. Full disclosure rules require I add he Did graduate HS & was attending college. So, what happened THAT Day that would cause him to believe he should act that way? OR, maybe the other side of the coin has the right question,, Has he generally been a punk & a thug type all his life but KNEW deep down his future would suck if he Didnt Do Something right? Is that why he finished HS? Is that why he was going to college? Id like to know how his grades were in school & what kind of people were his friends & what was he studying in college & how was he doing there. Id For SURE like to know what a toxicology report would say. Had he been smoking that K2 crap? Whatever the case, no matter WHO he really was,, based on what Im hearing, that cop Executed him. I dare say should a cop execute a neighbor of mine I wouldnt start burning MY neighborhood.. Ill never understand that.. & Sharpton? Where is HE when 45 blacks die in Chicago over a weekend? NOWHERE,, because Black people SHOT them,, He doesnt CARE about black people, he only cares about creating racial division.. He is a TOOL,, He is USED BY the system, to keep things agitated.. Now, theres where I am on this event. Should information come out that would make it unsupportable, Ill look at it, but Ive held off making an opinion until I had enough info to believe I could have an opinion supported by facts. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by raydawg on 08/17/14 at 10:33:23 Another option..... He could have just moved to the sidewalk, and I would not be typing a reply to a post you would of never made :-* Folk, how is your life working out for you? Are you just happy and thankful to be able to enjoy another day with all its wonder? Or..... Is someone or something keeping you from a good life buzz? Has fighting and pushing back, work'n for ya? Can I expect to control the world, when I can't control myself? I know JOG, you can explain it to me, but you can't make me undetstand it ;D Again, how is life working out for you? Self testimony is cheap and holds no answers, even to one self, as the wheels on the bus keep turning..... |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/17/14 at 16:12:50 Yes,he created a confrontation. If he did the same thing with you or me AND he pulled away and stopped attacking and then you or I shot him and after he went down and was No Longer a THREAT,then that is Murder. Cop or no cop,IF that's what happened,then that cop is guilty of murder. Unnerstand? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by pgambr on 08/17/14 at 16:23:43 Quote:
I not disputing this, but do you have any links? The only stuff I've seen has been about the riots. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/17/14 at 16:47:51 I was listening to the lawyer being interviewed And I have been hearing little bits and pieces of the same things being said from other sources,So,until conflicting information comes out,I'm going with that. I have a short wave radio and listen to 5 or more talking heads a day,usually. I don't watch TV news.. I go to the internet or the radio. And I don't just accept the first story I hear. I wait and check out as many sources as I can. At this point,I'm seeing a guy who may or may not have been "under the influence",but who certainly,created a confrontation and,best I can tell,got murdered. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/17/14 at 17:47:31 Quote:
Or, maybe not: http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/ Everyone involved - cops, protesters/looters/rioters, media, and of course our race- baiting pals Sharpton, Jackson etc., all have a dog in this fight, so none of them are going to tell the truth. And most everyone else is only going to believe whatever version of events tends to confirm their own preconceived notions of what went down. Even when the truth eventually trickles out, whatever it happens to be, sadly,very few folks will actually believe it. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/17/14 at 19:01:22 As I stated earlier,If those were the facts and If no contradictory evidence came out,then I would conclude it was a murder. That's a serious piece of fresh information there. Now,sure would be nice to get to see that person interviewed. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/18/14 at 14:06:49 This is my city and I’m sick to death of it hearing about Ferguson. It’s 15 miles away from me, but might as well be 1,500 miles away which I suppose you could argue is part of the problem…. Like the Travon Martin case, the facts will come out, but they’ll come out slowly. In the beginning, the story was Zimmerman hunted Martin down and murdered him in cold blood. The reality turned out to be vastly different, to the point where a jury let Zimmerman walked away. In this case, more and more bull$h!t is getting disseminated and everybody’s an expert or “heard” this or “heard that”. Just a few days ago, this guy was a gentle giant who wouldn’t hurt a fly, was going to college and was shot while kneeling with his hands up. Now look where we are….. No one has executed anyone and comments like that serve no good. Let’s try dealing in facts. (You’d think the Martin case would still be fresh enough we’d know that, but apparently we’re going to have to learn it all over again….) All we know as fact at this moment is this kid robbed a store, stole cigars, was walking down the middle of the street and the officer made some type of contact with him. There was a confrontation. The cop shot the kid multiple times from the front. There were several wounds on the front of the right arm and two in the head, one of which was fatal. There are multiple stories that are 180 degrees opposite with one another so it’s fair to say right now, no one knows how the confrontation went down. When the forensic tests are done, the distance he was from the cop when the shots when fired COULD be known, but isn’t always discernible. That’s all I’ve heard that has been released that any reasonable could call factual. That’s it. The rest is rumor and conjecture. That’s as of 4 PM CST. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/14 at 06:02:34 Could they have possibly done a worse job of handling this? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/19/14 at 08:09:13 nope; that much we agree on 100%. I've never paid much attention to the Governor of Missouri, but Holy Flip-Flops Batman, is he ever a limp noodled politician if ever there was one. First a curfew, then no. First local cops, then no. First backs prosecutor, then doesn't. My prediction: You think it's bad now; wait until the 'hands up; don't shoot' falsehood is revealed for the BS it most likely is and the cop walks. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by tcreeley on 08/19/14 at 08:32:50 Isn't there a constitutional right to overthrow the tyrants? I think the folks in Fergurson who are Afro-American and rioting are feeling this way in regard to the authorities. The storm trooper response of the cops only supports this. Read about the Boston Massacre that tipped off the revolution. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/19/14 at 08:33:33 So much time has passed that now I don't trust"New"revelations. They have had time to go Find"witnesses"and create a story. If I'm not wrong in the memory department,even the autopsy results are in conflict. One report I heard was"2in the back,5 in the front", just too much conflicting information to even Have an opinion at this point. My speculation that he was high on something is starting to look like that was possibly on target. The rest? Looks like someone is going out of their way to foment racial division. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Paraquat on 08/19/14 at 11:06:28 You don't need to attend college for 7 years to tell the difference between an entry wound and exit wound. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WD on 08/19/14 at 12:22:04 TNB*. Let them have their "fun"... you, know, "Saint Flatscreen" is their latest hero, sacrificed his own life so his "downtrodden brethren" could "get's dem dere got's to have's", while wandering aimlessly acting like petulant toddlers. I say the Guard needs to go belt fed, with live rounds, but on the other hand... A full on Category 5 "Chimp Out" is doing wonders for gun and ammunition stores; is showing the media for the lying, scheming, snake in the grass agitators and collaborators they actually are; and has awakened tens of thousands of Americans to the fallacy of the "diversity is good" bilge spouted by the left since the 1960s. Diversity is code for White Genocide. * Typical Negro Behavior * |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 08/19/14 at 16:24:12 As to the Brown/Cop thing. Who is right, who is wrong? Don’t know, don’t have all the facts, wasn’t their. Perhaps in time we will find out. But the ‘BASIC’ problem is, these are, TWO groups, who BOTH, have been told, over and over again, that they are, ’special’ , and enjoy privileges not available to anyone else. And that, ‘conflict’, will go on, and on, and happen over and over again. However this statement, is very disturbing: “ … Folk, how is your life working out for you? … … Are you just happy and thankful to be able to enjoy another day with all its wonder? … … Is someone or something keeping you from a good life buzz? … … Has fighting and pushing back, work’n for ya? … That attitude above, is EXACTLY why, we are in the situation we are in today. Which started, v e r y S l o w y, in 1776. It grossly excelated, in 2008. 'Their is nothing I can do about, ‘it’. I can’t change, ‘anything’. I can’t, ‘do’ anything. My Vote doesn’t count. It’s to much work. Let someone else do it. So I’ll just sit back, and ignore it all.’ That is the attitude that 80% of the people in this country have. and that is the, SOLE REASON, the elected politicians, and the appointed administrators, do ANYTHING they WANT, Any Way, Any Time, for Any reason. Because they KNOW, 80% of the, ‘people’ will NOT DO ONE THING, or SAY ONE WORD. And the few that do, “Well their just kooks, don’t listen to them” Suppose this happens: ‘You live in a small town, you stop at the mart-mart on the way home from work to pick up some milk and bread. You see your neighbor, (your friend), you have a pleasant chat, and he mentions; “Ya know, I know you drive a Motorcycle, their was something in the local paper, about the town council, and Motorcycles, don’t know what it all was, but maybe you want to check it out”. Well you had a hard day at work, ya just want to get home, have a beer, order some Pizza, and turn on the TV. So you do just than, and forget all about what your neighbor just said. Meanwhile: (The camera pans to the notice in the newspaper), and it says: “Town Meeting Tues Night at City Hall at 7PM, All invited. To be discussed, …blaa-bla-bla, and buried in that notice is says: “Decision on the ownership of the Suzuki/Savage, LS650 or the S40 motorcycle”. Of course it is a Great T.V. show, and a very Tasty Pizza, and you forget all about what your neighbor said. Didn’t bother to find out what the notice said. Didn’t call City hall. Don’t bother to check. Didn’t bother to talk to your, Alderman/or one of the Council people, or the Mayor. (What a tasty Pizza and a great TV show) Now, one of the reasons, you are so tired after work, is that you have been putting in a lot of overtime, and saving up for the NEW 2014, S40, which you have had your eye on. Finally, you have enough. You get a ride to the Dealer, (in the next town), plunk down your money, and are driving it home. SUDDENLY, the Town Cop, pulls you over, is Very agitated, and Demands you surrender your new Motorcycle, ‘BECAUSE IT IS NOW ILLEGAL, for YOU to OWN it ! Seem that, the, ’council’ meeting was well published. And the ONLY people that showed up, were the people that wanted to, BAN, the Suzuki/Savage, LS650 or the S40 motorcycle. NO ONE WAS THEIR, to defend it. So They Made A LAW! "Ya Can't Own One" Now, what will you do? Kiss 5 grand good buy? 5 grand you worked so hard for, 5 Grand, which was YOUR, money? Or? Ya now gonna be a, ‘kook’ ? YES, the above senerio, is far fetched. But you GET THE POINT ! (If you don’t, well then, ‘What JOG said”) Let someone else do,’it’, because: “The Pizza tastes good, and their is a great TV show on” Ya know I live a good life, I do stop and, ’smell the roses’. BUT, one cannot do that, if one’s Head Is In The Sand! |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by raydawg on 08/19/14 at 18:00:03 Dude.......you miss the forest through the trees. You can push back, get involved, etc, yada, yada, yada..... And pretend you make a difference by being vocal. Fact is you are on the same bus with all those you claim are against you, your ideas, and beliefs, and fail to see who is driving (the bus) cuz you is too busy arguing. How do you change people, by being a person who they want to emulate...... sorta like lead by example. Not with envy, or other trappings, but real HONEST caring and compassion, and concern..... In other words, one who puts others first as in servant-hood, kinda like that Jesus dude...... But again, if being spoon fed a media diet is your favorite feast, by all means, eat till your full......... I hope its working for you amigo. Just thought I would try and perhaps put my remarks in context, but sumtin tells me you read what you wanna hear anywaz. Carry on. Edit: BTW, don't have TV, haven't for over a decade, go to movies rarely. Eat pizza, and I lived most my life without my savage, darn.... Blind luck I fancy :o |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by tcreeley on 08/20/14 at 08:42:37 Whatever Mr. Brown was, the cop was not hired to be a judge and executioner. So the guy starts to run away- no excuse for shooting him. I see the problem is the cop- too much "force". It is no wonder that local people hit the streets. The rioting is predictable when you have cops that shoot readily, then turn to riot gear and teargas -while things were still peaceful. -A matter of living up to expectations. Good luck backing it down again. A few years ago the issue of arresting afro-americans was in the news in this state, so they decided to keep records with details of arrests. These records show there are a disproportionate number of afro-americans being arrested. Glad I don't live in that climate. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/20/14 at 09:31:55 Well,TC,that's how I've been feeling,but dangittt,New information keeps leaking out,conflicting information,NOW it seems that he was shot in the front,with no entry wounds in the back. It's not good the way the "Facts" have been drizzled out,and changing as time goes on. Someone will surely apologize for it and expect people to accept it as reasonable,but I don't. I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to believe that they didn't KNOW what happened at least in a day. For the facts to be changing for a week? No,no,no,not acceptable. I believed that they tried to create a race war with the Trayvon Martin thing,but the People wouldn't get agitated enough. Look at the escalation HERE,if their goal is peace,they sure are going about achieving that goal in a strange way. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/20/14 at 09:32:39 Your response typifies part of the problem. You're saying the guy was running away, but more and more evidence as it trickles in points to the fact that he was running towards the officer. The police department released medical reports on the officer and he has a broken eyesocket. The initial autopsy reports show all the bullets were from the front. The entire hands up don't shoot fiasco is going to turn out to be just that, a big giant fiasco. It probably never happened, but let's wait and see what facts come out after the grand jury hears the evidence, which is going on right now. Think back on all the cases just like this one where, as time has gone by, the reality of what happened did not match what we were first told. And when you say such nonsense like cops that shoot readily, that is such bull$h1t it's beyond belief. That implies they are just running around willy-nilly like shooting at will. Why don't you try examining the record to find out how often cops in St. Louis shoot anyone, including black people. Interestingly enough it happened yesterday when a man with a knife charged directly at police officers. They shot and killed him. There was no rioting. Do you know what the difference was? There was no idiot like the guy that was with this Michael Brown character who claimed Brown had his hands up and was surrendering. I'm going to bet right now that was a complete and utter lie. This whole thing might boil down to that one fool opening his mouth trying to cover his ass. Yet you, perhaps with a case of white guilt, will go ahead and repeat that as true. So go ahead stand up right now put your hands up and say hands up don't shoot. Maybe it'll make you feel better. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/20/14 at 10:11:31 Quote:
Which likely only means that a disproportionate number of afro-americans are committing crimes. Unless of course you are implying that the cops are out arresting innocent black guys just because they are black. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/20/14 at 10:40:37 a disproportionate number of cars traveling over the speed limit get tickets..... |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/20/14 at 10:42:45 No one is trying to create a race war. Jackson; Sharpton etc.... milk it for all it's worth and know another circumstance will happen in a couple of months they can exploit as well, but there is no effort by some secret government group to create a race war. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/20/14 at 12:37:07 Quote:
I wouldn't be too sure about that. I think that such a war is the objective of some of the outsiders who have inserted themselves into this mess. The New Black Panthers for example. Almost everyone who's been arrested in the past day or so has been from somewhere other than Ferguson. I don't think "justice", however you define it, is very much a part of a lot of those folks agenda. The worse things get, the better some of these fringe groups like it. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/20/14 at 13:26:17 when Jog says someone is trying to create a race war; it doesn't mean what you're talking about. I agree with your point, there are some individuals and small, meaningless groups who are trying to stir the pot. The New Black Panthers for example, but again, Jog is referring to some kind of World Order organized and ran in secret by a small group in some nondescript castle in Europe somewhere..... like a scene from Eyes Wide Shut...without the porn. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/20/14 at 15:46:24 7D4F48595E4F58674B58412A0 wrote:
Understood. But when one of these incidents finally does go really sideways, it isn't going to matter to everyone caught in the crossfire whether some mysterious conspiracy lit the fuse or just some a**hole like Sharpton. Sooner or later the lid's going to blow off and it isn't going to be pretty. Ironically it's going to be especially ugly for the blacks . A lot of them are so pissed of at the whites whom they perceive as their oppressors, that they can't see the forest for the trees. They depend for darn near everything on those same white folks that they have been taught to hate. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/20/14 at 16:01:46 That "lid" just might be when the cop isn't charged with murder or even manslaughter. if the reports of him having a broken eye and that his gun was fired in his car turn out to be true, then a jury isn't likely to convict him. Look at Zimmerman case; when it was know he was having his head pounded against the sideway, everything changed. Same thing here. If this Mike Brown kid was huge and running full speed, a couple shots to the arm weren't going to stop him. My city's gonna get really interesting then..... Funny story: we've got a rich little private university in my suburb. Wife drove by last night and called me laughing. they were having their own little Ferguson support rally and she's was cracking up looking at rich white girls going to a 50K a year private school on daddy's dollar carrying signs that said "Stand up to Power". She wanted to pull over and say "oh honey...... you are the Power." |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/20/14 at 16:32:35 NOW the"facts"include the cop with a busted eyeball orbit. Either THAT'S a lie OR they withheld that little detail.IF it's true,then Why did they keep that quiet? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/20/14 at 17:08:05 Quote:
Well, that's why Holder is in town. He's going to twist whatever arms he needs to to make sure the cop is indicted. What you've got in a nutshell is the chief law enforcement officer of the US openly and deliberately planning to interfere with a Grand Jury. Hell, maybe the cop should be charged. I don't know, and neither does anyone else at this point. But considering Holder's track record when it comes to racial questions I'm not exactly convinced that we're going to get an impartial decision. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by mpescatori on 08/21/14 at 01:43:54 Considering European news is also covering this issue and the rioting... ...may I ask a question or two, in order to ascertain a few facts : 1. Are LEOs in the area equipped with pepper spray ? 2. Are LEOs equipped wirh a baton ? 3. Are LEOs in the area equipped with a taser ? 4. Are the handguns issued to LEOs in the area set on full-auto mode only ? Because the one thing which is difficult to understand to the "Plain Joe" guy here in Europe , is ... ...why didn't the LEO spray the guy, or use the baton to defend himself from Mr. Brown ? (considering Mr. Brown was unarmed, the most bodily damage he could have caused was a slap in the face or a black eye at worst) ... why didn't the LEO use the taser to immobilize Mr. Brown from a distance ? ... having decided to DRAW... why didn't the LEO fire the famous warning shot in the air (as is common protocol here in Europe) or shoot him once in the leg to drop him ? The four shots in the arm show that Mr. Brown was trying to defend himself, it is an instinctive gesture to cover oneself with the arm(s), hence, the LEO fired at Mr. Brown at least 5 times too many. All the evidence we are fed through the news say the LEO, black eye or no black eye, killed Mr. Brown through ruthless violence, going well beyond any acceptable and necessary force. That said, my own personal experience in the US (1968 - 1973 as a schoolboy in Virginia, and as a regular visitor twice/year from 2003/2011 shows America is inherently a more violent society than anywhere in Europe. Fights among schoolkids are egged, confrontations are provoked and almost encouraged, and people are educated to "take things into their own hands", which often sparks family feuds... not to mention neighborhood gangs... Even in stereotyped mafia-ridden Sicily things aren't as violent as in some parts of the US... :-X |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/21/14 at 05:07:16 1. Pepper spray - probably, but I don't know for sure 2. Same as above 3. Same as above 4. No police agency that I'm aware of is issued Full -auto handguns. They are semi- auto. One round fired for each pull of the trigger. In fact full auto handguns, while they do exist, are pretty uncommon. The initial confrontation has been reported to have been a struggle for the officers' gun. There are reports that it was fired at least once inside the car.It isn't clear who fired that shot. The policeman was still seated in the car at that time and brown was either leaning in the window or the door.The cop may not have been able to access any of the less-lethal alternatives that he may have been carrying. Quote:
Police in this country do not fire warning shots into the air. Nor do they shoot to wound - in the leg, for example. They are trained to fire at the threat, and to keep firing until the threat is stopped. regardless of how many shots that requires. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/14 at 07:20:12 All that aside,LOOK at how the"facts" have been manipulated. They KNEW the cop was injured. Why was that not stated? Don't you think that would have calmed some people? Why let people think the cop executed him when the facts don't support it? Why did it take more than a day for the medical examiner to say"All entry wounds are from the front". It LOOKS like someone is looking for a way to justify declaring martial law. I don't think they will get there this time,but the attitudes of the people and the cops have been impacted by this. Next time we have such an event,we may get that Flash Point. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/21/14 at 07:21:24 1. Pepper spray - probably, but I don't know for sure 2. Same as above 3. Same as above 4. No police agency that I'm aware of is issued Full -auto handguns. They are semi- auto. One round fired for each pull of the trigger. In fact full auto handguns, while they do exist, are pretty uncommon. I think oldguy is correct on the above. Not sure they always carry tasers, but I thought tasers need a few seconds prep time before they are fired. Does anyone know? IF (and this is still an IF) Brown was shot in the arm during a struggle in the car in which the cop had his eye busted, and Brown walked away only to turn around and bullrush (as it's been described by more than one witness) I could easily see the cop firing 5 shots quickly. The 4 shots in the arm seem less defensive wounds as they do wounds gotten while charging forward. As the autopsy reported, all the shots were survivable except the one to the top of the head which is what dropped him. Remember, Brown was 300+ pounds and 6'4". A big man. Maybe the cop fired until he fell or maybe he panicked and fired until he was out of rounds. When the evidence comes out, I'm wondering if he had a revolver or 9 shot clip and if so, how many unfired rounds left in his gun. As far as America being violent, maybe that's the case. However, my guess is if you took drug & race related violence out of the equation, the murder rate in the US drops to European levels. All those murders and shootings in Chicago nightly are gangbangers shooting each other. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by mpescatori on 08/21/14 at 08:11:08 Thank you , all. My asking was not to "throw gasoline onto the fire" but because EU news correspondents in the US will often "copy&paste" whatever their agency believes is the piece of news best suited to draw listeners' attention and to raise the audience... ...so much for "the facts, and nothing but the hard facts" :P My comment on "LEOs being issued full auto" was actually a little sarcastic, but only "politely so", i.e. it was a rhetorical question the obvious answer being "of course not, silly!" One fact which I learn thanks to you is that Mr. Brown was 300+lbs and 6'4" - not only XXXL size by EU standards but simply NOT explained to EU public. As for "LEOs are not trained to shoot in the leg but to the threat"... I beg to differ. Given that any police TV serial drama clearly reflects the customs and habits of the times, i.e. "Dragnet", "Adam 12", "Hill Street Blues", or even the original "Hawaii 5-0"... ...LEOs in those days would often try to negotiate their way out of a haphazard situation, or incapacitate the felon, long before going Gung Ho on him/her. I saw a clip on Facebook where a guy is shot in cold blood (probably taken from a US Newscats) simply for talking back and refusing to kneel... he was unarmed and in no position to harm the LEOs... he was simply provoking them, and they allowed themselves to be provoked. I personally find it alarming when two LEOs in the middle of a street gun down a "felon" for "resistance" when all there is is... talkback... As for the situation, may I say that, with better communication skills (Public Affairs, anyone? ) the situation would have been under control. I'm sincerely sorry all this is happening. Thank you for clearing some facts from hearsay and fiction. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/21/14 at 08:35:33 no doubt that we have an abundance of "TV educated" cops who get carried away with all that macho $hit fed them on the TV and shoot first, ask questions later. However, as info slowly trickles out, this is not looking like that's what happened here. I still say the guy who ought to be strung up by his fingernails and fed to the dogs is the kid who was with Brown. This was the kid with him during the robbery and the one who claimed they were walking backwards with their hands up when the cop fired for no reason. all this bull$hit we're going through is based on a lie told by some scumbag trying to cover his ass. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/14 at 09:00:19 Pesci,IF it's true,and a lie here will be soon discovered AND destroy what confidence is left in the cops,Brown had punched one of the cops so hard as to fracture the bones around his eye. Now,If that's true,and I expect it is,WHY did they NOT let that information Out on day one? That would have made the shooting a lot more reasonable. It would have made it a lot easier to justify to the community. But they sat on that and let,well,threw gas on the fire with their heavy handedness,and Caused the demonstration to get out of control. There are signs of agents provocateur,throwing bricks at cops from inside the demonstrators lines. One reporter stated that he Found a box of Molotov cocktails and reported it to the cops,only to be ignored. I Stand by my point that there is an effort to magnify this event to Show the people that they NEED a bigger,stronger,more heavily armed police force in order to"Keep them safe". |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/14 at 09:10:19 AND,gee whiz, would you just Look at how far down the memory hole the border crisis has fallen? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/21/14 at 09:50:00 Quote:
Google up the ACTUAL training protocols for any US police agency - local, state or federal - with regard to the use of deadly force, and you will see that the statement above is utter nonsense. Or are you just being sarcastic again? Here's a good place to start: http://www.forcescience.org/morrison.pdf |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 08/21/14 at 10:32:47 415E585F42457444744C5E52192B0 wrote:
And the totally outrageous, IRS Scandal. And, 'Fast & Furious' And, a, 'war' (pick one) Etc, Etc, Etc, ... And sending Holder in, would be like putting the fox in the Hen House. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/14 at 11:09:52 But who will look at the questions I've posted and step back and think about the points I've made? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/21/14 at 11:25:46 I do JOG, and the points you allege are bull$hit. I heard the next day the cop was injured. The main stream media didn't pick it up and broadcast it because if went against their 'white guilt infused mindset' that this was a racist cop shooting innocent black kids. What reporter said he found a case of Molotov cocktails and told cops, but nothing done. I'm throwing the BS flag on that. Prove this too: There are signs of agents provocateur,throwing bricks at cops from inside the demonstrators lines. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/14 at 11:52:32 As if you would accept the source? Why,why didn't YOU TELL US about the cops injuries? You sat there and allowed everyone to believe what was being said and DID NOTHING.. You're either a liar or an not a very nice person. YOU tell me which. I didn't say Not a very nice person.. I said A55HOLE.. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/21/14 at 12:16:03 show me the source. I did no such thing. I wasn't spreading what could be rumors. once the xray was posted, I assume it to be true. I heard a million things the first day, about 5 of them turned out to be true. now, show me the two sources for your allegations. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/14 at 13:58:42 And you didn't bother to counter information spread by a media that has been SHOWN to be liars and just OFFER that Local Information that contradicted the national media? You could have EASILY just stated you'd heard it on local media,yet it wasn't to be seen on National media and Let US consider it... Where I got my information was the radio,not everything in the world has a link. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/21/14 at 14:52:35 radio huh? well isn't that convenient. No one printed that amazing bit of news huh? It wasn't local information. There's nothing local with regards to Ferguson. I'm 15 miles from this mess, you're 100's but we have access to the exact same info. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by tcreeley on 08/21/14 at 19:38:13 It used to be that cops did negotiate in armed situations and frequently succeeded. In Maine they haven't for the last 20 years. They shoot first, confront close up, yell, demand, etc. -Almost like escalating a situation purposefully so they will have an excuse to shoot. When I lived in Mass, the local and state cops closed a couple of streets down in my neighborhood. A guy was holed up in his house with a gun. His girlfriend had run from the house and called the cops. For seven hours the cops were there, talking and waiting, No confrontation. The guy -who knows maybe sobered up, gave up his gun and came out. No one was shot, no one hurt. No tragedy. The cops knew this guy- petty theft, drugs etc.. -Not a community favorite. They didn't shoot him. Cops are different today, trigger happy and militarized. They are becoming brutal and we are turning into a police state/country. Look at the news - this is happening all over. Fergurson is just an example of the police state at work messing with its citizens. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/14 at 20:37:12 043631202736211E322138530 wrote:
I've tried to deal with you with respect,but,it's not been easy,NOW,you've made it impossible. You're dishonest. And I have no use for you at all anymore. Pretending that I have the same information you do when it's CLEARLY not so. Did you see ANY mention of the fact that the cop was injured by ANYONE here?Yet YOU had heard about it and said Nothing.. Dude,you Suck..and to hide behind"Uhh,I didn't wanna be spreading rumors" is a load of Crap..All you would have needed to do is what I have done many times,just state what you have been told and that you can not say it is a fact. Instead,you watched everyone trying to understand what happened,NOW look where we are! You had,you HAD,IN your hands,information,local information,that the national news wasn't carrying,AND NOW pay attention here,NOW you have IN YOUR HANDS, EVIDENCE that Someone WANTS this event to get out of control. No?Then explain WHY this information Was Not spread Far and Wide.. Incompetence? Really? How was it even Possible to keep the fact that the cop had to go to the hospital? That was NOT accidental. Someone is managing the news..that's the only explanation. Y,of course,can't see that.. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/21/14 at 20:38:12 I agree the police are a bit full of themselves more now than in the past but I think even Barney Fife from Mayberry blows this guy away in the same circumstances. If not, Sheriff Andy is looking for another sidekick |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/14 at 22:28:52 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
I've tried to deal with you with respect,but,it's not been easy,NOW,you've made it impossible. You're dishonest. And I have no use for you at all anymore. Pretending that I have the same information you do when it's CLEARLY not so. Did you see ANY mention of the fact that the cop was injured by ANYONE here?Yet YOU had heard about it and said Nothing.. Dude,you Suck..and to hide behind"Uhh,I didn't wanna be spreading rumors" is a load of Crap..All you would have needed to do is what I have done many times,just state what you have been told and that you can not say it is a fact. Instead,you watched everyone trying to understand what happened,NOW look where we are! You had,you HAD,IN your hands,information,local information,that the national news wasn't carrying,AND NOW pay attention here,NOW you have IN YOUR HANDS, EVIDENCE that Someone WANTS this event to get out of control. No?Then explain WHY this information Was Not spread Far and Wide.. Incompetence? Really? How was it even Possible to keep the fact that the cop had to go to the hospital? That was NOT accidental. Someone is managing the news..that's the only explanation. Y,of course,can't see that.. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WD on 08/21/14 at 23:55:05 Knock yourselves out... https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1059233/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1058481/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1059254/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1059239/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1059067/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1059249/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1058820/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1058960/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1057903/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1059236/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1058677/ https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1057122/ I could go on and on and on... follow the links to get to the source links. The ones from me comprise hundreds of pages, thousands of responses, add in the original source links and the original comments under them, and the whole thing becomes a 3000 ring circus... None of us were there. How about we butt the hell out and let nature run its course... |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/14 at 00:38:00 Is that national news? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by mpescatori on 08/22/14 at 01:30:45 744A4B47554948260 wrote:
No, Sir, I'm not being sarcastic, not at all. It was a legitimate comment based on personal observation. And the Forum member below proves my point. 32253423232A233F460 wrote:
Given what one sees on TV, these days they would have thrown a full scale SWAT operation at him. My point is that when Mr. Average is approached by a LEO, he should be confident the LEO will protect Mr. Average, not scream into his face and point a gun at him "because I don't like your accent/haircut/whatever". Again, no sarcasm. But from what I see on TV things are downright nasty. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/22/14 at 04:50:37 You are comparing a situation where someone was holed up in a building surrounded by police, with no possibility of escape, and no real possibility of harming anyone but himself, to a split second confrontation between two guys and ONE police officer in the street, to bolster your argument? Talk about apples and oranges. The anecdote you cite proves nothing. When it is possible to negotiate and attempt to defuse a situation without resorting to force the police routinely do so. That is not always possible unfortunately. Look, I have never disagreed with the assertion the the police in this country sometimes are guilty of using excessive force. I have even posted about that exact subject on this forum. It's becoming more and more likely as more information comes out that that is not what happened in Ferguson, however. And your assertion that the police respond to dangerous situations based on what they, or you, see on television shows is still nonsense. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Paraquat on 08/22/14 at 06:15:26 One of your links, WD, refers to a "chimp out". Could you elaborate or is that what I'm thinking? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/14 at 06:16:56 657A7C7B6661506050687A763D0F0 wrote:
I've tried to deal with you with respect,but,it's not been easy,NOW,you've made it impossible. You're dishonest. And I have no use for you at all anymore. Pretending that I have the same information you do when it's CLEARLY not so. Did you see ANY mention of the fact that the cop was injured by ANYONE here?Yet YOU had heard about it and said Nothing.. Dude,you Suck..and to hide behind"Uhh,I didn't wanna be spreading rumors" is a load of Crap..All you would have needed to do is what I have done many times,just state what you have been told and that you can not say it is a fact. Instead,you watched everyone trying to understand what happened,NOW look where we are! You had,you HAD,IN your hands,information,local information,that the national news wasn't carrying,AND NOW pay attention here,NOW you have IN YOUR HANDS, EVIDENCE that Someone WANTS this event to get out of control. No?Then explain WHY this information Was Not spread Far and Wide.. Incompetence? Really? How was it even Possible to keep the fact that the cop had to go to the hospital? That was NOT accidental. Someone is managing the news..that's the only explanation. Y,of course,can't see that.. [/quote] [/quote] I think this is a valid point and im not just letting it fall to the side. i |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Serowbot on 08/22/14 at 07:50:13 435C5A5D40477646764E5C501B290 wrote:
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/22/14 at 08:40:20 I think this is a valid point and im not just letting it fall to the side. What valid point? That I had access to local news sources you didn’t? There’s no such thing as local news that’s not available worldwide anymore! Try to find a local newspaper that’s not online. That ship has sailed a long time ago. I don’t care if you don’t have any use for me or call me an a55hole; I will still enjoy sparing with you from time to time and agreeing with you the other times. You’re just pissed caused I threw the BS flag and you had to move back 15 yards. Some guy on a radio calls in and says some crap that should be immediately discarded and you believe it?! It’s easy to discern complete nonsense from reality. Example; some guy on twitter posted that the mayor’s wife is an avid racist and he faked a facebook page and posted it showing all kinds of racist nonsense she was to have said. It was easy to see it was fake, but some retweeted it as being true. As to your radio story, why would a cop on the line, just an average ordinary cop, not think a case of Molotov cocktails lying around shouldn’t be looked into? For that to be true, all those hundreds of cops on the line would have to be ‘in’ on the conspiracy to keep the black man down because some rich guys wanted the status quo to stay intact so they can keep banking cheese. Come on man…… that’s crazy. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/14 at 10:11:49 I didn't say he"called in" ,he was a reporter. Nobody was talking about the cops injuries. Did you read it in the paper? Like I would even Think to look for information SO RELEVANT,so Important,that would be in the paper,but Not on the news? Really? That's unreasonable. What's the name of the paper? I'm BEGGING you,HELP ME,I'm trying to show people what is happening.. it's important to know When the information about the cop being injured came out. It Matters HOW it came out,was it really in print? Or was it just mentioned in passing? Am I the only one who Sees this for the HUGE moment it is? Does no-one else SEE how Making SURE Everyone Knew that,that the cop had been physically assaulted and seriously injured,how that would have worked to keep the peace? Why was that not broadcast day in and day out if they Truly wanted to calm the people? Instead,they disseminated False "facts",like shot in the back.. Gee,it's Almost as if someone Wanted to get the people in an uproar... And what have they been Training for in recent years? And this provides an opportunity for them to evAluate how the people react in Real World Police State in action moments. Ohh,what we're seeing right now is a laboratory experiment.. They have seen what they needed to see, the facts have finally been found out and the tensions are deescalating. Only one who knows history and understands military thinking can even grasp what is happening. This is a psychological operation,and boooy was it a success.. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WD on 08/22/14 at 22:34:43 5B6A796A7A7E6A7F0B0 wrote:
Ever seen chimpanzees go absolutely loony in a nature film, for little or no reason? Same concept, pack mentality takes over and all hell breaks loose. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/14 at 05:45:58 Why was that not broadcast day in and day out if they Truly wanted to calm the people? Instead,they , disseminated False "facts",like shot in the back.. The main stream media today is composed almost exclusively of hard core liberals and one of the tenants of their religion is to ignore the black culture as a factor in the condition of American blacks today. It is blasphemy to point out, in any manner, regardless of how small, the fact that maybe… just maybe… the black community is to blame a little bit for their plight. The MSM had that information the same way I saw it. Some guy on twitter posted it first and then it was picked up by a few others. The MSM guys had that, but that narrative would have been met with extreme resistance by the crowd, Sharpton, Jackson etc… so the MSM did what they always do when it comes to matters of race, they pu$$yed out. No way were they going to interrupt that protest train from running down the tracks. They just got out of the way and kept their cameras running. Made for good TV. Look at the uproar when the news came out that the gentle giant had just strong armed some little Korean store owner. (His store was torched the next night by the way) And they would not have released those pictures if it wasn’t for FOIA request that I guarantee did not come from MSM. It wasn’t until a week ago that the story of the officer’s injuries started to sneak out in more and more publications. Even now, it’s mostly ignored and downplayed. How often do you hear that fact when listening to some talking head yak about the topic? It’s tossed in as just another part of the story when in reality; it’s an ultra-critical part of the story. As far as why didn’t the cops talk about that story themselves? I think it was fear and pressure knowing what they would be accused of if they said anything at the time that made them even appear they were defending their own officer. We will probably never have a real national conversation about race because that would force the nation to address the 800 lb elephant in the room which is that the black culture is chiefly responsible for 90% of the problems they face today. Sorry, but it ain’t The Man impregnating and walking away form 70% of children born. Sorry, but it ain’t The Man with 60% of pregnancy terminated by abortions. Sorry, but it ain’t The Man gunning down dozens every weekend in cities like Chicago. Sorry, but it aint’ The Man looting stores. You can go on and on and on….. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/23/14 at 14:00:01 Search DOJ asks Ferguson police to not release video of Michael Brown Now,tell me again it was just the media not telling the facts to the people. Then TRY to understand the Why of it. One day I'll stop looking crazy to you guys. I just pray that you will find the way before it is too late.. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/23/14 at 15:30:16 The DOJ nowadays is no different than the mainstream media. They were afraid that what ultimately did happen would happen. They desperately want the truth to be this cop executed the gentle giant in cold blood. There is no scientific experiment being conducted by your secret group that runs the world. We are unfortunately saddled with emasculated leaders. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/23/14 at 17:41:32 You hang onto that.. I'll be around for the day when you can no longer pretend the world is as you say. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by pgambr on 08/23/14 at 18:52:12 Ok JOG, this one is for you. I have no doubt their are extraordinarily powerful people and groups influencing if not making decisions. Some people call them globalists, bilderbergs, bankers, I am partial to the term central planners. I know you have done extensive research and I would like you to outline how you think this structure actually works. If you are not interested; no problem, I think it would be an interesting topic worthy of its own thread. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/23/14 at 21:54:31 If you're interested in understanding how it all works,,you're gonna have to first learn how to identify the dots,then learn to connect them. If people Can't SEE that Important Information was kept FROM the people,Information that would have DEFUSED the situation.. then no explanation would be sufficient,for those who can,none is needed. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/14 at 06:46:27 If you doubt how totally emasculated the main stream media is and how afraid they are of challenging the liberal enforced mantra that the plight of black America is all the fault of "The Man", watch a rerun of Meet the Press this morning, listen to the pathetic comments of the Mayor of Atlanta, and note that neither of the supposed conservatives on the panel said a thing to dispute his stupidity..... To open their mouth and challenge his comments would label them racist and they'll be drummed out of the "club". |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/14 at 06:47:11 687771766B6C5D6D5D65777B30020 wrote:
Pga. Watch Beautiful Mind first. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by raydawg on 08/24/14 at 08:02:49 Lets boil off the fat........ At times it seems problem are bigger than they are, but as Solomon remarked years ago, ain't nothing new under the sun. Root problems are always the same, just different players and circumstance. I will ask you this question, your answer will reveal if you're complicit or not. Question: Would you report to authorities an illegal act by a loved one or close acquaintance? What is an illegal act, could be petty theft, drinking after consuming, fraud, tax cheat, drug use, poaching, over limit of game, possession of stolen property, you get the idea...... I think murder is obvious. Well? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/24/14 at 08:12:09 Quote:
It depends entirely on what the "act" was. A lot of the things that are illegal are not in and of themselves wrong, just because there is a law against them. There are in fact laws that are immoral themselves. Because I make such judgments based on my own moral compass, what exactly does that make me complicit in ? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WD on 08/24/14 at 09:35:10 A good "must read"... http://www.fredoneverything.net/Ferguson.shtml |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by raydawg on 08/24/14 at 10:59:44 4A7475796B7776180 wrote:
Not trying to be a turdball here, it comes naturally to me ;D BUT...... If you steal from me a million dollars, is it the same violation on my person hood if you took a buck? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/24/14 at 11:58:23 7A69716C697F6F080 wrote:
Not trying to be a turdball here, it comes naturally to me ;D BUT...... If you steal from me a million dollars, is it the same violation on my person hood if you took a buck? [/quote] Yes. Stealing is stealing; the amount has nothing to do with whether or not it is wrong. But you didn't say anything about right and wrong, you said " illegal." Not at all the same thing. A couple of - I admit - trivial examples: Where I live fourth -of July fireworks are illegal. So would I call the police on my neighbor if I saw his kids running around their yard with sparklers, or if he himself was lighting fireworks off on his own property? No I would not. He's breaking the law but as long as he is causing no harm he isn't doing anything wrong. It is likewise illegal in my state to alter the factory exhaust system on a motorcycle. A huge percentage of the motorcycles on the road, including my own, have non factory exhaust, or factory exhausts that have been altered in some fashion. Whenever I take mine for it's annual inspection should I call the cops on the guy who issues me the sticker? He's in fact breaking the law , just as I am. Just because something has been deemed to be illegal by some government entity does not make it actually wrong or potentially, or actually, harmful or immoral. However most of the laws on the books deal with just such things. Everything that Hitler did was legal. He and his cronies created the laws that made it so. Legality and morality are not the same thing. I think most people are able to recognize the difference, which is why a lot of laws are pretty universally ignored until the powers that be decide to pick on someone, often for reasons that have nothing to do with the particular law those powers use to do the picking-on with. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by raydawg on 08/24/14 at 12:57:02 Ok....so bottom line it is up to each one of us to decide. And that is the rub, we all have different beliefs, prejudices, views, etc..... That will add to the deciding factor. As in Ferguson, a lot of folk think their actions are justified based on their beliefs and views on this matter...... I see too many cooks in the kitchen and the need to change the menu to limit the choices. Right or wrong, black or white, no gray..... |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/24/14 at 13:21:14 40534B56534555320 wrote:
No, the bottom line is whether or not ones actions cause harm, physical or economic, to someone else. That's what makes something right or wrong. I think you are totally misunderstanding what I'm saying. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by raydawg on 08/24/14 at 14:20:50 Emotional pain? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/24/14 at 14:43:02 2D3E263B3E28385F0 wrote:
Sorry, now I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Or did you just misread what I typed - I said economic harm, not emotional. If you mean do I think causing someone emotional harm constitutes doing a wrong or immoral act, then yeah, I suppose so. But that would be pretty hard to quantify. Physical or economic injury on the other hand is pretty obvious. In the context of Ferguson though,justifying rioting, arson and looting as a response to getting one's feeling hurt is a bit of a stretch. Most of the folks doing that had no discernible connection to either the policeman or the young man that was shot and killed. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/24/14 at 14:47:00 Would someone PLEASE explain to me How it's possible for the cop to have suffered such injury and NOBODY says anything about it. Am I Really the only one who Sees how important That ONE fact IS? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/14 at 15:01:21 Jog, the news of that came out 2 or 3 days afterwards, I think it was Reuters that ran it first. Everyone knows how important that news is, but you clearly didn't read my post nor do you see reality. White America is terrified of being label racist so they ran away from that story as fast as they could. Hell the whole "hands up, don't shoot" is false and everyone knows it, but no ones saying it. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by raydawg on 08/24/14 at 16:22:37 053B3A36243839570 wrote:
Sorry, now I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Or did you just misread what I typed - I said economic harm, not emotional. If you mean do I think causing someone emotional harm constitutes doing a wrong or immoral act, then yeah, I suppose so. But that would be pretty hard to quantify. Physical or economic injury on the other hand is pretty obvious. In the context of Ferguson though,justifying rioting, arson and looting as a response to getting one's feeling hurt is a bit of a stretch. Most of the folks doing that had no discernible connection to either the policeman of the young man that was shot and killed. [/quote] Yes, emotional. We have passed laws that categorize some crime as hate. Why? Emotional infliction? Can we really read a persons mind? Why do some need a further retribution, to feel better? Emotionalism? Why does a society separate its citizens in such a manner? Guilt? Or do they think they are more fragile, need to be coddled? Is hate bias? Is death discriminant? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Trippah on 08/25/14 at 18:55:07 did anyone catch the news tonight? A woman was pulled over and handcuffed by police while her 4 children sat in her car. They figured out fairly quickly it was a case of mistaken id; but the saddist part for me, one of the children about 6 yrs old finally got out of the car and approached the police to find out what was happening. As he got out of the car, this child immediately raised his arms above his head as he approached the police. What has this country become. :'( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Paraquat on 08/26/14 at 06:04:19 Someone posted it here before... to paraphrase: "When did seeing police make you feel nervous instead of safe?" --Steve |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/26/14 at 07:02:46 Easy,when I got my drivers license.. cuz I was Always deserving of a ticket. I didn't have a pen and a phone,I had a gas pedal and a brake pedal and I was Hard On one or the other... |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/26/14 at 16:34:30 082E352C2C3D345C0 wrote:
Read this:http://fredoneverything.net/CopNotes.shtml Then try the experiment in the last couple of paragraphs. Some of the things that the police in this country do make me nervous, fearful even, sometimes angry. But there is something to be said for taking a few steps in someone eles's shoes before passing judgement. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 08/26/14 at 17:01:07 6253405343475346320 wrote:
Didn’t, ‘fear them’, it was more of a, “Oh S&*$ moment” Riding a bikecycle, (After Curfew), Throwing firecrackers off the RR tressel, Drinking 3.2 beer and smoking cigarettes, at the Town Fair, Skiing behind a convertible, with the top down, in Dec, on snowy roads in town. Parking out by the lake on a deserted road, (with a girl). Etc. Never, Fear, just the, ‘Oh Sh*& moment. But ALWAYS Respect, because, I was treated with Respect, So I Respected the Cop. About 20 years ago, got a speeding ticket. “You were going 45 in a 30 MPH zone” ( It was about 100 feet, as I came from a 45, and turned into a office, which was in the 30. Just didn’t slow down fast enough) The Cop asked me: “When was you last speeding ticket” I said: “I don’t know, 15-18 years ago” Then he said: “Well it’s about time you got another one” I told him: “I knew you when your Mamma wiped the S*&% off your ass, give me a warning”. He said: “Here is your ticket”. So, 20 years ago, I stopped, ‘Respecting’, cops. In the last 20 years, I have gotten two speeding tickets, and each time, I was treated like I was one of the 911 Terrorists ! LOLOL, In Minn, a, ‘Blue’ light, working in conduction with the Break light, as long as it is 1”, or under in Dia, is LEAGEL. Can you guess what I have added to my S40 ????? Haven’t been stopped yet, Just Waiting LOLOL Can you Guess, what, then will happen !!!!! Recently, I was in a car shop, waiting for the owner. In to a empty Stall, pulled this ‘Cop’ car, puts his Light and SIREN on, INSIDE THE SHOP, gets out of his car, grabs a pop, (which everyone else pays .50 for if they want one, it’s just a refrigerator) didn’t pay, hops in his car, and Burns Rubber in reverse. Couple of weeks later, I was sitting at the Counter, talking with the owner, about repairs made to my car, when In Pulled the Same Cop, (No Stalls were empty at this time) He Rudely, walked behind the counter, interrupted my speaking with the owner, acted generally like a total A88 H0l@, until he caught my eye, He must have saw something their, because I was about to ask him: “What do you want to be, WHEN YOU GROW UP”. Then he left. I have NO, NONE WHATSOEVER, “Respect’ for ‘cops’, UNTIL, They, show me respect. The, the, ‘Guide Lines’, of ‘who’ are, cops, have changed, Drastically ! Remember, YOU, pay, Their wages, THEY do not pay Yours ! Now we have TWO Groups, ( Brown/Cops), Who have BOTH, been told: “They Are Special”. Now add to that the ‘Media’, who have ALSO been told: “They are Special”. Is it ANY Wonder, why the, ’TRUTH’, of what ACTUALLY Happened, has NOT come out !!!!!! You show me ‘respect, ‘ I give you, ‘respect’. You act like a A@@ H0l@, I Am Going to the TOP.! No, never, feared the cops, It went from the, “Oh Sh*$% moment”, to the, “You speak to me with, ‘respect’, or find a different job”. In Ferguson, (As far as the info I can get), it seems like, the Cop was right, and Brown, was, ‘excerpting’, his, ’special privilege’, (that he was told), was befitting him. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by old_rider on 08/26/14 at 21:22:51 This pic is "supposedly" from a face book page taggin' Brown... and why is it no news agency has posted his criminal record? http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/brownonfacebook9mm.jpg Also.. I know yahoo isn't the best source for news but they do provide links to the news stories... here is the latest.. http://news.yahoo.com/alleged-audio-recording-may-have-captured-fatal-shooting-of-michael-brown-193717404.html It has a illustration of the body and the shot placements.... |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 08/27/14 at 05:18:53 Did anyone listen to the audio tape that surfaced? I did, sounds like a roofer working to me, but I don't know the details. How far away was the guy when it recorded? Were his windows up or down? It's pretty loud on the tape, did any of the two people mention the noise later during their conversation? Listen to it and comment. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/14 at 07:10:04 The pause May have been a moment to see if the guy was gonna stop coming. The autopsy report shows that Brown was hit in one arm a number of times and a few shots were more"" center of mass" then a couple were head shots,or,so I hear. Have the"facts" stopped changing yet? If it's true that the cops face was busted,that could account for lousy shot placement. I don't know how he was not knocked cold and able to see or do anything.. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by mpescatori on 08/27/14 at 10:50:44 4F7E6D7E6E6A7E6B1F0 wrote:
This is what I found on Facebook, I have no idea if the FACTS are as described or what, but if they are, they will be all over EU news tonight. http://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=277273405805190 A 16-year old was caught without a ticket on a bus, jumped off and ran away from the Police - guess what, he was shot ... ...for hitching a free ride on a bus ? :o For want of a $2 bus ticket ? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/27/14 at 11:32:41 Quote:
Happened a month ago. Cops said he had a gun and shot at them. That was disputed by witnesses at the scene. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/17/bayview-police-shooting-muni_n_901197.html |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/27/14 at 11:37:11 Update. Looks like the kid was another chiorboy ::) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/18/kenneth-harding-killed-police-bayview_n_901637.html |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 08/27/14 at 12:04:28 And now, back to the gunshot audio: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/08/27/cnn-now-worried-ferguson-shooting-audio-is-hoax |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 08/27/14 at 13:12:47 MnSpring - Your experiences with cops are the exact opposite of mine. I personally know several, including my secretary's husband, who is a real gentleman. When he gets a DUI driver, he doesn't even take them to jail, just gives them a citation, IF they have a cell phone and can call someone for a ride home from the scene. If they fight, or get nasty, then they get a trip downtown. In the suburb of Columbus where my office is, a person has to have a bachelor's degree just to get on the force. I make a habit of either giving a small wave, smile, or nod of the head to every officer I see. 99% of the time, the gesture is returned. When my daughter learned to drive, I told her that if she ever gets arrested, she does two things: First, address the officer as Sir or Ma'am, and then put your arms behind your back to get cuffed. Don't argue with the officer - court rooms are for arguing later. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 08/27/14 at 13:41:57 Yea Jerry. I agree, for the MOST part, Police Officers, are good people. And their are Always, 'bad apples' in the barrel, for Any group of people. However, in the last 20, and even more in the last 10 years. Their is a LOT MORE, 'bad apples'. The office, the other workers around, and most importantly, the BOSS. Have a Tremendous influence, in how the rest act. You are very lucky, to have a Great Chief or Sheriff, or whatever he/she is called. But their are a lot of places, where, 'Bubba" rules. (And apologies to anyone named or nicked named, 'Bubba'.) |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/14 at 21:16:05 Gee,it's Almost as IF someone is just Trying to Stir things up... And frustrate the crap out of normal people who just want to get to the truth. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Paraquat on 08/28/14 at 06:09:18 Oh, Jerry. Once again you and I are polar opposites. I haven't the time to get into another full post packed full of quotes, evidence and citation that you will just ignore and never respond to so let me throw in an anecdote. Two years ago on Christmas an elderly woman backed into my girlfriend's car. We had been visiting her parents in a smaller town. Small towns are great because everyone knows everyone and the jerks you went to high school with become the local police. So, up walks a kid 5 years younger than me that her brothers all went to school with. It was a reunion for them. He said, and I will quote "... yea, if you see a suspicious car and want to check it out just tell them they have a marker light out. 90% of the time they don't know what that is and it gives you a chance to look inside their car. You know, they're like 'What's a marker light'." Here's one more: When I was 16 I got a job delivering pizzas. I was new to the area so I had maps in my passenger seat (this is before GPS). I was pulled over, the officer told me, because I looked suspicious. Being the only car on the road at midnight I was the most, and least, suspicious vehicle on the road. He asked why I had all the maps and kept questioning me for something else. I was stupid, or must not have been giving him what he wanted, and he let me go. The point is I was pulled over for "looking suspicious". --Steve |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 09/01/14 at 17:28:21 LOL, 'Local Cop Stories'. 20 + years ago, I was pulled over for a speeding ticket in Mpls.. Local Cop came over and saw, on my passenger seat, a small case, (Which to most people looked like a handgun case) It was, and a was, a UN-Loaded Revolver inside. Local cop said: 'Give me that gun, I'm, Confiscating it, you Can't have it their, It is supposed to be in the trunk.". I then, (told him what I was doing), and two fingers, I opened the case, released the cylinder, showed him it was un loaded, and put it back in the case. He said: "I am going to confiscate that gun and place you under arrest and haul you as* off to Jail" (After he SAW the gun) I Told him: "Well that law, was CHANGED TWO YEARS AGO !" He said: "I Don't Care What the Law is, YOUR Going To Jail". (If the law hadn't changed, it would be simply a misdemeanor, and then If I would put in the trunk, a simple ticket) In a very calm voice, I said: "Well, you are betting, you can do that, my bet is, you will be dam* lucky to find another job as a 'mall cop'. You decide". He looked at me for about 30 sec, then marched back to his car, and spun out. (Forgetting all about the speeding ticket) Gee, If I had a, job, which was to enforce the LAWS, would ya thing I would KNOW, what the Law Is ?????? Now, was he just DUMB? Or, do you think he saw a very expensive, collector piece, (Which I was delivering), Which would just, """Disappear""", Because he thought I would, 'succumb', to his, 'authority'. ? You decide LOLOLOLOLO Relevance to, Jerry's, post. And relevance to the, 'Ferguson', Debacle. Where, their are, Two groups of people, who have been told, they are, 'special', conflicting. Each group, is, 'BETTING', on the outcome, which depends on the, 'authorities', (and each group has their, 'authorities') And which group of, 'authorities', has the most 'SPIN". |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 09/01/14 at 17:35:56 Yea, if at FIRST, when this happened, and ALL THE FACTS came out. And NO ONE LIED. Not a issue. Now, it is Just, Who SPINS, the Best !!!!! (SPIN = 'New word for', LIE) |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/14 at 10:04:26 Correct, Mr. Spring,, Now, If YOU were the cops and you could SHOW that the dead guy had BEATEN the cops face in, wouldnt you have put that out? Wouldnt that have taken the righteous indignation OUT of the crowd? Its almost as IF SOMEONE wanted civil uproar.. And Efic Holder TRIED to keep the robbery video under wraps,, WHY??? HE, of all people, should WANT any facts that would calm the crowd down OUT There.. But Noooo,, lets keep it running that it was an EEEEvil white cop who just shot a black choir boy,, NOW does anyone see how the media is used to create civil unrest? GEEE, But that doesnt make SENSE!,, WHY would the people in power WANT civil unrest? WELL,, Because that Justifies arming the cops like the military and it creates friction between cops and society and creates a tinder box situation thst could become a civil war THEREBY creating the moment that would allow them to justify declaring martial law.. And IF they didnt WANT martial law, then they sure are training for it and setting up situations that would justify it.. so YOU think about it,, I already have. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 09/02/14 at 10:18:04 302F292E33340535053D2F23685A0 wrote:
Well, if your'e right that might also explain why ANYONE in the media or the government is actually willing to listen to an a**hole like Sharpton, and to treat him as anything other than the fraudulent buffoon that he is. The guy has a TV show for crying out loud, on - and I almost gag when I say this - a NEWS CHANNEL ! |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 09/02/14 at 11:15:09 Correct, Mr. Spring,, Now, If YOU were the cops and you could SHOW that the dead guy had BEATEN the cops face in, wouldnt you have put that out? Wouldnt that have taken the righteous indignation OUT of the crowd? Its almost as IF SOMEONE wanted civil uproar.. Don't you remember the Travon Martin cases, the Duke Lacrosse case, the Tawana Brawley case?.... All of them had clearly identifiable evidence from the very beginning that the story being spread was not correct, but that didn't stop it. Have you never heard of the Black Panther voter intimidation case in Philly that was buried? These ridiculous cases occur daily; the pressures of the politically correct influence the behavior of the media, teachers, corporations or government leaders. This is not one of your conspiracies JOG. This is the cowardice that is infecting so many in leadership positions is on full display…front and center. A few weeks ago, my local paper, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, dumped George Will from their editorial page because he wrote a column that dared to go against the media enforced acceptable position on sexual assault on college campuses. He simply did a little math and pointed out that, from a mathematical point of view, the number of sexual assaults occurring annually was statically impossible to be true. Not even close. Was there a rebuttal in the paper? No, he was called a liar and dropped. When/if this cop is acquitted; do you think this paper, which has all but lead an uprising, will apologize? Do you think CNN will apologize for the story about the supposed tape of the shooting? Never gonna happen.... if they did that, they might as well just direct the muzzle of the politically correct directly at their temple and pull the trigger! The media desperately wanted this to be a prejudice cop murdering a kid in cold blood so they published that narrative early and often. Only a couple days afterwards, Reuters first mentioned the cop was punched, but no other major media outlets picked it up and Reuters dropped it. Why did they drop it? Fear of being left outside the politically correct group. Look at what happened when the cops released the video of the Brown kid robbing a store minutes before he was shot? They got crucified. The media all banded together and presented the story that the robbery and shooting had nothing to do with one another which to any sane person is absolute nonsense! Of course they did! They have everything to do with one another! The nation’s leaders are morphing into Obama look-a-likes more and more everyday. We are so f’d…… I really don’t know how we pull ourselves out of this mess. I really don’t. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/14 at 16:10:24 I know about everything you mentioned. I Stand by my position. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 09/03/14 at 14:15:09 350700111607102F031009620 wrote:
Reminds me of 40 years ago. A Play at the Guthrie Theater. (Stage). "Front Page". A scene where the stereotyped, Boss, was talking to a new, 'kid'. In response to the question: "What if the newspaper makes a mistake". The, BOSS, Shouted down at the kid, aground the cigar in his mouth, and coffee spilling out of his cup, and said: "Kid, if we printed retractions, today's newspaper would be just a footnote for Yesterdays newspaper". It was the Funniest, and truest statement in that Play. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by tcreeley on 09/03/14 at 19:12:02 Check this video out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz5V_Pdxy10 -traffic stop. Some cops are good, lately I worry about the vigilante military style they are adopting. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 09/11/14 at 06:21:13 4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/387642/why-didnt-ray-rice-get-richie-incognito-treatment-right-away-charles-gasparino I'm circling back to this JOG. Here's a classic case, political correctness which protects gays and blacks caused the NFL to freeze in terror and just hammer Incognito immediately and soft paddle the Rice situation. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/14 at 08:30:22 So,if you can find a nail in a tire,ALL flats are caused by nails? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 09/11/14 at 10:27:57 Course not. However, if you followed both these stories, you would see the similarities. Political correctness can absolutely petrified cowardly leaders. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by 12Bravo on 09/11/14 at 19:36:09 Ahhhhh the good ol' St Louis Post Disgrace! About all that tabloid is good for is to start fires with. Political correctness is ruining our country |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Paraquat on 11/25/14 at 06:03:16 0310540 wrote:
Ever seen chimpanzees go absolutely loony in a nature film, for little or no reason? Same concept, pack mentality takes over and all hell breaks loose.[/quote] Ohhhhh. A chimp out. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 11/26/14 at 14:16:05 O.J.'s First Trial. Remember, "If it don't fit, you must acquit". After he was, 'acquitted', How many, "Riots and Looting's" were their? I don't remember, Any ! |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Kris01 on 11/29/14 at 10:10:25 I read a quote on the internet the other day that borders along the same line as MnSpring's thoughts. Remember how all the white people rioted after O. J.'s acquittal? Me neither. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 12/01/14 at 16:19:47 The recent Riots and Looting in Ferguson, HAVE, accomplished something. Perhaps it is Not, what a group of people wanted, or envisioned, but it HAS accomplished , “The conception of a Stereotype, of a group of people”. It is, Heartening to see news coverage, of a group of residents, who chose to, ‘Guard”, business places, from further looting. Kudos, to that ‘Minority’, of people, who, live in that area !!!! |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 12/02/14 at 17:08:23 a white Bosnia man was beaten to death with hammers by 4 teens, 3 of whom are black, the 4th is being search for and rumored to be Hispanic. interesting, the mayor of St. Louis has ALREADY announced that race played no role in the gruesome murder. (if it were that easy, Ferguson mayor should have done that! ha ha) I've heard unconfirmed rumors that the teens had just returned from a Mike Brown riot march. if true, this could certainly complicate an already f'd up situation. St. Louis has the largest US population of Bosnians who came here during their war. It took a while for them to assimilate into St. Louis life, but they have, with the exception of a couple of pretty nasty gang fights which have quieted down a lot in the past few years. A few bodies would turn up now and then until they sorted out who was the boss etc... |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 12/21/14 at 06:11:22 So now two NYPD cops shot by an Islamic wacho. These Islamic thugs have been invited into this mess by Ferguson and Gardner protestors. There were always Palestinian signs being carried around during the Ferguson riots and I mentioned this was a disturbing connection. Unfortunately, many American blacks have a blame whitey attitude the same as many Palestinians have a blame the Jew attitude. They've both latched on to a straw man and it's a convenient way to avoid personal responsibility. Nothing good can come out of this. I see more trouble ahead. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/21/14 at 10:37:27 Just a footnote,, Report said 6% of those jailed during riots were locals. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 12/21/14 at 14:07:33 At what point will be NYPD start going all "Pakistani" on the protesters? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/14 at 06:11:52 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
No comment,,does that mean no one sees the relevance? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by pgambr on 12/22/14 at 07:03:41 36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:
No comment,,does that mean no one sees the relevance?[/quote] Sure I see the relevance, I’m just not surprised at all. The normal agent provocateurs are hard at work. Have you ever heard of “top down, bottom up, inside out”? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 12/22/14 at 13:09:15 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/14 at 15:22:08 I'm glad someone sees what it means. Just as I suspected,the hotels were busy. SOMEONE was PAYING for people to be there. I would like to know who. I'm betting it was we, the taxpayers. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 12/22/14 at 20:15:08 No, it was just wackos. There's no government agency involved. Drop that. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/22/14 at 20:19:59 Right, wackos have the money to move to Ferguson and hang out for a month.. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by pgambr on 12/23/14 at 03:26:23 I suspect NGOs played a key role. Now my next question is where do they get their money from? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Paraquat on 12/23/14 at 06:08:58 Interesting theory... I had recently heard a rumor of why foreign governments hate NGO's... because they're there destabilizing the country. Keep going, gents. I'm listening. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/23/14 at 10:03:54 First,someone needs to Prove hotels had an uptrend in rentals. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 12/23/14 at 15:39:38 Nope, I've been following this on twitter. The outta towners shack up with locals. The clever ones set up paypal accounts and ask for donations. There is no involvement of some government agency, no one wins if this keeps escalating. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by pgambr on 12/23/14 at 15:52:13 How many protesters were their in Ferguson? The media would say a couple thousand? |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/23/14 at 18:27:27 No one has bothered to actually PROVE what I Asked you to do,Web. Twitter is not gonna cut it for me. I'm not saying it was government who helped them. But powers that Want to see gun control and more centralized power In the government. The level of thought I'm proposing may be a few steps away from what the uninformed can actually grasp,don't despair,one day,enough will have happened that even you will be able to lean back and say Ahhh,NOW I see what that crazy guy was getting at. You weren't here when I told everyone that they were going to soon see their IRAs cut to shreds,but One member listened. He had been saving for his first house. He took the penalty,cashed order,bought what he could.. Couple of months later,BOOM, his IRA would have been cut to ribbons. He thanked me. You keep believing you have a clue.. you're fodder. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by Paraquat on 12/24/14 at 06:05:04 Round two. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by WebsterMark on 12/24/14 at 06:47:38 Yea , mile and a half away. I've been to that station I think. Berkley is where the St. Louis airport is. Video released. Cop pulls in, is standing there talking to 2 maybe 3 people. One guy walks over to other side of car and pulls a gun and they stop video at that point. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by raydawg on 12/24/14 at 10:25:59 Live by the sword, die by the sword, it has been the rule since the very beginning..... Power has always used the weak (in spirit and mind) to do their bidding..... Have you ever seen the rich folk wholesale their children to fight the wars they deem needed to assure peace? These Black folk are nothing more than pawns, useful fools, too ignorant to see the poison they drink is killing them, NOT the ones who they hoped would die.... I have talked to many Black friends and acquaintances re: this "race" problem. In general they claim they are only associate to these thugs by the color of their skin that the government uses to "lump them all together" and then portends ( the government, media, academia, etc) to speak for them and their "cause". As with many Muslims I know, who are nothing like portrayed in the media, they don't believe or sanction the stuff the media, academia, etc, report, but feel impotent and some, afraid to speak out publicly in opposition...... Evil is evil and plays by no rules other than to annihilate any opposing views and beliefs.... Me, I see Satan, plain and simple, working the prophecies to its conclusion. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by oldNslow on 12/24/14 at 10:46:29 raydawg wrote: Quote:
Exactly. For reasons that are incomprehensible to me, the human race has, all through recorded history, allowed itself to be ruled by psychopaths. And any individual who aspires to the power to rule over others, should, just by the fact of those aspirations, be viewed with extreme suspicion,regardless of how attractive his ideas or philosophy appear to be. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by raydawg on 12/24/14 at 11:02:14 7F41404C5E42432D0 wrote:
I agree, and key qualifier is: individual who justifies it with any more speak. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 12/24/14 at 15:50:42 Used to be, one, ‘race’, (color of skin), would decide, (upon the Color of Skin), what another, ‘People’, were like. And that still exits today, however in much SMALLER quantities. Yet, one, ‘race’, (color of skin), STILL, concludes, that a, different,, (Color of skin), is evil, JUST BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.. Please tell me, how that is not, Race-Est ! |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 12/24/14 at 16:01:28 For those that perhaps may not get it. It Used to be, from a white skin person, a, Black, (skin color) was, (such and such) It is now, “From the Black Skin people”, “The, White Skin People, are Such & Such”. Sorry, I am, NOT, responsible, for someone Else’s, 100-200 + years ago, actions !!!!!!! Judge people, on their actions. NOT the Color of there Skin. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by tcreeley on 12/24/14 at 19:38:32 What is this! Not racism....but helps to maintain a difference of opinion! Baltimore Fox Affiliate Edits Protest Footage To Sound Like 'Kill A Cop' http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-wbff-edit-protest-kill-a-cop "A Fox affiliate in Baltimore aired a segment on Sunday showing footage from a "Justice For All" demonstration in Washington, D.C. in which it edited a chant to sound like protestors were shouting "kill a cop." "At this rally in Washington, D.C. protestors chanted, 'we won't stop, we can't stop, so kill a cop,'" the WBFF broadcast said. But the full footage, flagged by Gawker on Monday via C-SPAN, revealed that the chant was "we won't stop, we can't stop, 'til killer cops are in cell blocks." ....Sharpton was there and after this aired, it was labeled Sharpton's "kill a cop" march. Fox has apologized. |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by MnSpring on 12/26/14 at 10:27:36 Many times I have heard, people, say the work, "Axe”. As in: “ I is gonna Axe dat person ”. I don’t think, that person wants to hit some with a sharp object. I believe that person wants to ask a question, of another person. Just as I believe the words, (in the above statement): “dat”, means, “that’. And, “is”, means, "am”. And, "AXE", is, 'Ask' The words: “Till Killer Cops”, with a dialect, accent, just plain mispronouncing, or running words together, sound like: “kill a cop”. The key to looking further, is the end, (of that chant), the words, “are in cell blocks”. Now, most all of us, have some, ’thing/words’, that we say, which defined where we are from, or how we were brought up. Like me: ‘Ya Know’, ‘Ya Bet Cha’. (The movie Fargo, those people, REALLY do, talk that way) Or if you are from, a Country North of here, the word, ‘yep’ or ‘a’. Or from the N/E, ‘Ah Yep’. Or down south, ‘Ya All’. And in those times, that, ‘local’, words are used. The meaning, is quickly grasped. However, in this case, (Ferguson). Such words, are being broadcast to a international audience. Their may be a lot of people, who do Not, ‘grasp’ what they mean. One wonders. WHY, are they being said? Is it just, not thinking, what everyone else hears? Is it for, just, the local people, to pick up on the chant? Or is it to, ‘purposely’, mislead people into thinking, something else was said? Now the news station, who cut off the words: ‘are in cell blocks’. Gee, they were the First One to do that ? Or the Only one, (that ever has, or ever will) highlight a, ‘political’, position, by cutting off the rest of a chant? If a group of people, have a belief, and a cause. One would think, that, the better, they communicate that cause. the more success they will have. BUT. By, Rioting, Looting, Disrupting, just for the sake of disrupting. And chanting, in a, dialect, that few other people understand. Or can be very easily misunderstood. Just serves to, ‘reinforce’, a, Stereotype Attitude! And that, group of people, are doing, that, VERY well ! |
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Title: Re: Ferguson Missouri Post by pgambr on 01/17/15 at 20:35:37 4F585E525D4D3F0 wrote:
Mr. Soros spurred the Ferguson protest movement through years of funding and mobilizing groups across the U.S., according to interviews with key players and financial records reviewed by The Washington Times. In all, Mr. Soros gave at least $33 million in one year to support already-established groups that emboldened the grass-roots, on-the-ground activists in Ferguson, according to the most recent tax filings of his nonprofit Open Society Foundations. The financial tether from Mr. Soros to the activist groups gave rise to a combustible protest movement that transformed a one-day criminal event in Missouri into a 24-hour-a-day national cause celebre. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/14/george-soros-funds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/ |
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