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Title: Bowe Berghdahl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/02/14 at 13:44:49 What are you folks thinking about this deal? OHH how handy it is! Suddenly, the VA mess is dwarfed,, Which, btw, dumped a missing airliner in the memory hole,, Ohh how quickly the People forget,, |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by Serowbot on 06/02/14 at 15:29:03 I'm kinda' torn on this one... -The circumstances of his capture are questionable... - "No man left behind"... - but,.. not negotiating with terrorists... Obama got away on a technicality with that one... because "the negotiation was with Qatar govn't, not terrorists".. the result is the same... - I do believe it will encourage more kidnappings... - and then,.. 5 for 1 trade?... and I assume these are real bad guys,.. not the innocents that got dragged along to GITMO... ...and so I sit, upon this fence... :-?... PS.. I'm not gonna' buy that it was a "Wag the dog" distraction... For one thing, this is too small to cause any distraction... For two,.. the Veterans care issue is not politically one sided... We all care about our vets, including Obama... |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by pgambr on 06/02/14 at 18:22:17 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
I would describe the timing as impeccable. ::) One if the guys from his unit said he deserted his post. |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by Trippah on 06/02/14 at 18:28:52 I am not sure, but I don't think we had anything to do with the missing airliner. The VA has sucked as it really thinks it is in the WWI era, with the Administrators on short days and long links. Their budget has been tripled but apparently no one gets off their butts to actually see what is going on. (The usual). As for Bowe - well he apparently walked off to meet with the Taliban. Is he a sympathizer, or a deep cover spy or what ever you wan to think. The guys traded for him were never tried so I suspect we have only circumstantial hearsay that they are bad guys. We'll see if they want to hurt us anymore. ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by thumperclone on 06/02/14 at 19:52:36 stupid is as stupid does |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/03/14 at 07:07:34 Whats bugging me,, hmm,, coupla things.. The justification Suddenly, after 5 years of "captivity?" his life is in danger.. REally? Why? What changed? Is it related to the station chiefs recent "accidental" outing? The , well,, ya cant REALLY call it negotiation,,because We didnt negotiate,, we caved,, in every demand, theyve wanted those same 5 guys, for ever since we have had them,, What WE got for those 5 guys. Someone who laid his gear down & walked off the base,,not captured in a battle, someone who, for all we know, JOINED them in their battles against our troops. Im not endorsing our even being there, so, Im sure not endorsing our mission & the killing, but at best, he deserted, at worst, he took up arms against his own troops. Now, how much of the language did he know before he took that walk? If zero, then Im gonna say he wasnt trained & sent in to infiltrate. Another coupla things about the potential for infiltrating. It would seem to be a pretty slim odds kinda operation,, I mean,, why would he believe they wouldnt just torture & kill him? If he would turn against his own, why would they ever trust him? AND, since we ALL KNow the Taliban is already effectively defeated ( coff, coff) is there any real NEED to risk someone being killed to let them take a shot at being taken captive & trying to infiltrate? & Whats the deal with Dad? REally? HE speaks Pashtun or whtever language that is? & I just heard dear old dad is following those bad guys on Twitter! He retweeted something he got ( I heard it on the radio, Ive no idea what a tweet is or a retweet,, is that like regifting on Christmas?) about how they attacked a base & "Killed as many as 25 cowardly American soldiers".. Now, once his boy is free & safe, is there some reason to be following the guys who had been holding him? &, excuse me,, but I have a real hard time picturing the Taliban out in wherever with cell phones & towers,, What kinda war doesnt destroy the infrastructure?? OHH, wait! Maybe the same kinda "war" that creates an environment that allows an opium crop to go from the smallest ever under the Taliban rule to the largest ever once we ( You know, Murca, land of the whirlds Greatest Army, with equipment & herbicides & a VERY determined "war on drugs") got in there. OUR soldiers guard those poppy fields.. read that again, dont fail to grasp the full strength of what that means,, |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by thumperclone on 06/03/14 at 12:22:54 chips planted in the skulls of the 5 push a button and the cranium is removed from the rest of 'em :-? |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by thumperclone on 06/03/14 at 16:51:42 ill let his commanders judge his apparent desertion ....until proven guilty |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/14 at 05:31:00 I always said Obama was the only President who never seemed to truly have his nation's best interest at heart, but even I never saw something as low as this......unbelievable. Absolutely unfingbelivable..... |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by shorty on 06/04/14 at 06:00:29 I'm starting to believe B. Hussein obama hates the USA like his preacher, you know, his preacher that hates the USA but got paid to shut-up |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by Pine on 06/04/14 at 10:40:06 I am waiting on more info. But congress sure seems pissed.. and I don't mean JUST the pugs.. Dems are upset as well. According to them Obama broke the law. White house says.. hey we sent an email saying we had the constitutional authority to act regardless of the law. Pissing contest. I wonder who will win? I do agree, the timing was great to get the publics mind off.. well everything else. I think its great we got the guy back.. bring them all home.. is good ideal. Trading a hostage for prisoners of war... not so good. |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by verslagen1 on 06/04/14 at 11:21:06 Bad move, coulda been easily hidden as the beginning of the end... closure of QB. They release the POW's to Qatar, hold for a year, nut job 'escapes' we pick 'm up. Yeah, I think the outing of the top spy made his health decline real quick. |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by RatdogWillie on 06/04/14 at 19:15:24 http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/06-JUN/MAD-Magazine-Trading-Private-Bergdahl_538e1730c295a6.07331124.jpg |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by WebsterMark on 06/04/14 at 20:06:15 Amen rat, amen. |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by Serowbot on 06/04/14 at 23:31:38 I won't "Amen" that... ...but it is funny... ;D... I'm betting there'll be some tracking going on with those 5 released... They may be bird dogs... leading our drones to the game... :-?... If Bush did it,.. it would have been genius... but, it's evil that Obama uses drones... I'm iffy, on the morality... but I'm iffy on the morality of most war and killing anyway... Drones or AR-15's... is just semantics... We have to face the fact... modern warfare, is evolving into a a video game... The future of soldiers.. is in front of a screen... I'm all for any technology that makes war faster, cleaner, with less friendly fire and non-combatant, death and bleeding... I suspect Berghdahl has some serious esplainin' to do... ...but,.. ultimately.. the loose ends of a messy war are a messy thing to deal with... Just like what Columbine did to mass shootings... 9/11 created a paradigm shift in the nature of war... We attacked 2 nations, based on the actions of a radical band of renegades... If it were to be accurately focused to a nation, we would have attacked Saudi Arabia... ... but they are our "frenemy"... ...(you know a paradigm shift has occurred,.. when we must use new words to explain it)... Most Arab nations are our frenemies... ...(this is not say any people are bad,... just the people in power. ..the people wielding the power of money, guns, and gods)... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by mpescatori on 06/05/14 at 01:55:13 "The future of soldiers.. is in front of a screen... I'm all for any technology that makes war faster, cleaner, with less friendly fire and non-combatant, death and bleeding..." When you shoot from a screen, you get the "Playstation syndrome" - i.e., no morality, no common sense, no "wait a minute, what am I doing?" second thoughts. It's just "shoot'em up and get a higher score than my buddy". Who are the victims ? Not enemy drones, let me tell you. It's not going to be a "starwars dogfight" but indirect target shooting. So... who will be the real victims ? Would you like a second guess ? http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/05/23/most-us-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-attack-houses/ http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=8722 Deaths from drone attacks much higher than reported http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Drone_Strike_Accuracy.jpg Do your math: of 482 declared estimated deaths, 6 certified Al-Qaeda leaders, 265 "small fry" (men, not combatants, just men) ... and 211 civilians (women and children) guilty of... just living there... :-X http://i.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/9/25/1348565677259/dronereport2.png?width=620&height=-&quality=95 Excerpt from a study conducted by Stanford University. Unfortunately... you can't even get married anymore !!! http://www.nbcnews.com/#/news/investigations/yemenis-drone-strike-turned-wedding-funeral-n5781 http://blog.witness.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Screen-Shot-2014-03-18-at-3.33.50-PM-670x367.pnghttp://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0Kl9pwgFQvQmqTsY1ZtHZJlg2YYBx8ymCo_DZHypTa4xB8zYL5ghttp://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/drones.jpg "The Obama administration has launched an internal investigation into a Dec. 12 drone strike in Yemen that targeted an al Qaeda militant but which local villagers say ended up hitting a wedding party, killing 12 and injuring 14 others, U.S. officials tell NBC News. NBC News has obtained exclusive videos and photos taken in the aftermath of the strike. The graphic images show the scorched bodies of young men who villagers say were part of a convoy on their way to the wedding celebration when they were killed in their pickups by two Hellfire missiles fired by a U.S. drone. " Of course, the US-led inquiry was conducted in the US and nobody was ever asked nor required to compensate the families ... ::) It reminds me of "liberating" carpet bombings during WW2: in order to destroy one railroad terminal, let's claim a few thousand lives... These are pictures of "liberation bombings" in Rome, courtesy of ... you guessed it... :-X In 90 minutes, over 4000 bombs were dropped, and casualties ran over 11000, but only 1674 were identified. http://www.abitarearoma.net/photos/18474.jpg http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTiF-ZnUKApsg_dRhKcNXOHZ85fLiSf6IfHr6MAsubRNJnUU1IH http://www.lamadredellachiesa.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Pio-XII-a-S.-Lorenzo.png You wouldn't even heed the Pope's begging for mercy. Of course, what's a 2500 y.o. neighborhood with churches dating back to the days of Costantine, when the target is a 19th Century railroad terminal you could have rendered just as inoperative with a Team from the OSS ? Hey ! Fly those planes ! :-[ So ... my message is... avoid a generation of Playstation pilots and Nintendo warriors... life is more than just a videogame :-/ http://thegrumpyowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/predator_drone3.jpg And please pardon my irony, but Italy still carries the scars from bombings which happened 70 years ago (and we still dig up unexploded ordnance...) |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by WebsterMark on 06/05/14 at 06:48:57 If Bush did it,.. it would have been genius... but, it's evil that Obama uses drones... No, this is a big difference between Republicans/Conservatives and Democrats/Liberal. Conservatives will very strongly and publically attack on of their own who strays off the path as was done to Bush over his uselss education bill with Ted Kennedy and the prescription drug benefit add on to Medicare. Liberals will close ranks and support their own regardless. If Clinton were a Republican, there would have never been an impeachment because he would have been forced to resign. Sorry, but if you do what would get any college professor fired, you give up your right to be President. I suspect Berghdahl has some serious esplainin' to do... ...but,.. ultimately.. the loose ends of a messy war are a messy thing to deal with... I agree it’s messy. I also feel bad for the kid and his parents. He made a stupid, stupid decision and the more I hear his father talk, I see where he got his stupid attitude from. But…. And this is a big but, sometimes you pay for you mistakes for a long, long time. If this ‘kid’ had gotten drunk and ran over a bus full of school kids, he’s in jail for life. In this case, he deserted and ran off to find the enemy; foolishly drinking the liberal KoolAid that the US is evil and the cause of this war to begin with. Big mistake, but not only did a few soliders die looking for him, we gave them 5 bad guys back and an incentive to do this again. Hopey-Change won’t have to deal with that however, it will be the next guy’s problem and if he’s got an R by his name, you’ll change your tune. Sorry, but the kid should have sat there and faced his fate. once he deserted, he was no longer a solider. Oh, and don't call him Sargent, he's a PFC. He was promoted strictly on a time schedule while his new buddies made movies with him. Just like what Columbine did to mass shootings... 9/11 created a paradigm shift in the nature of war... We attacked 2 nations, based on the actions of a radical band of renegades... You’re memory is a bit fuzzy there Sew….. The Taliban basically had control of Afghanistan. Remember the two big statues they blew up because they were offended by them; they owned Afghanistan. It’s why Bin Laden and company had free reign, the governmet was on their side. If it were to be accurately focused to a nation, we would have attacked Saudi Arabia... ... but they are our "frenemy"... Attacking Saudi Arabia would have been an example of ‘attacking a nation based on actions of a radical band… Now, if it turns out Obama had these guys infected with Small pox and they end up wiping out half the Taliban commanders, sweet! Put Hopey Change on Mt. Rushmore! |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by Paraquat on 06/05/14 at 15:45:00 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/05/special-forces-members-noticed-something-in-the-bergdahl-release-video-that-you-probably-missed/ --Steve |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by mpescatori on 06/06/14 at 00:18:00 OUCH ! You have a point ! Also... sorry for hijacking the thread... |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by RatdogWillie on 06/06/14 at 06:48:38 1D2F28393E2F38072B38214A0 wrote:
You still believe that the Republicans and Democrats are different…..BS!!!!! They both are going in the same direction and no matter which is placed in top position by the hacked voting machines, and corporations, the final destination remains the same. They both will start the same wars. Death and destruction will be their answer as long as their personal wealth increases and increase it will……..that’s why they invest fortunes for a job that pays less than what they inve$t……But people like yourself seem to be satisfied with this system because there are 2 parties….so there will always be one party to blame……after all you go to church and they tell you that Rambo Jesus and his imaginary daddy in the sky are on your side……because the U.S. is the good guys……that is what we “learned” …..were programed to believe in the government controlled schools and from watching all the “programing“on the propaganda TV. The governments strong-arm military recruits young folks with glamorous lies. We join thinking we are the good guys and will save helpless poor people from their evil villain leaders. We believe that we are going to fight the bad guys over there so they won't come over here and take your freedom to remain ignorant away from you. We join with good intentions. We go off to battlegrounds and kill, die, get wounds that stay with us for life, and watch our friends get killed. We soon realize that those we fight are defending their homeland and really didn't want or need our assistance. We realize that our purpose was not in reality to assist the down trodden oppressed after all. Our purpose was in reality to assist the elite wealthy gain control/steal valuable resources and increase their wealth. We soon realize that we were duped. ………well maybe that this soldier woke up to the truth and said phuck it….I’m out of here. If that’s the case…. I wish him the best. He certainly will need it as he will be made to pay for the sins of a country gone bad. The Cheneys. Bushs, Soetoros will walk free for their crimes that placed this hapless soul in harm’s way and told him to kill other humans for their greed. If we don’t do our best to wake up our fellow countrymen to the fact that the people pretending to be the government that George Washington and his fellow founders created are rotten to the core and are enemies to the United States Constitution and all that is good….. then we will continue to slide into a tyrannical hellhole until even people such as yourself finally get it…..By then it will be too late! |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by WebsterMark on 06/06/14 at 17:10:31 Yes the two parties are vastly different. Are both populated with crooked and corrupt politicians? Yes of course they are. But ideology matters. |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by RatdogWillie on 06/06/14 at 18:22:50 714344555243546B47544D260 wrote:
WHY? |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by WebsterMark on 06/07/14 at 20:41:29 Why what? Why does ideology matter? Are you asking that question as it's written or are you angling for something else? |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/14 at 22:00:16 STATED Ideology is one thing,, in practice, theres not a dimes worth of difference between bubs & dems,, Look at the wars,, mite as well be Bush in there.. |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by WebsterMark on 06/08/14 at 05:47:09 Nonsense...... You think if Gores election scam lawsuit had succeeded and he was President on 9/11 there wouldn't be a difference? You think Romney makes the same moves as Hopey-change the past 6 miserable years? Hardly. Of course there's a difference. (And please don't star the whole thing's run by a small group who coordinate every major event blah blah blah....) |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by RatdogWillie on 06/08/14 at 06:20:22 360403121504132C00130A610 wrote:
I am asking a question. Why does is ideology so important? |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/08/14 at 08:14:15 Why do you believe Obama sudenly became the dem choice over Hillary? The bubs ran a lame horse,, no way would bammy lose.. One day, youll see Im right,,Its a game, we arent players, we are pawns. |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by raydawg on 06/08/14 at 08:15:51 Ideology........ It is nothing more than a sales pitch. I understand the process of analyzing a problem, arriving at a solution based upon ones experience, and understanding, which might be termed ideology However, using only that, in trying to reach a solution makes one an ideologue, which narrows the possibilities to a fix, based upon what the person is willing to consider in finding a possible solution. Why is it used to campaign, because approx 80% on the voters vote strict party lines, regardless of the candidate itself, to appeal to their narrow mindset (ideology). This reasoning retards new, and novel leaders, keeping the US stuck in a quagmire that is dragging us down as a nation, and individually as unique citizens too..... |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by raydawg on 06/08/14 at 08:31:05 3F2026213C3B0A3A0A32202C67550 wrote:
You're right...... I was in a flux myself. As with the Bush & Co burnout, I had a Clinton & Co burnout..... I bought the historical implications of electing the first Black president, hoping it would build a bridge, etc. I was very dismayed when the WH became the headquarters for the NAACP, as Obama seemed to want to chime in on that more than other matters. His arrogance and poor leadership removed any chance on another vote by me for a second term. But sadly, I had no real viable choice otherwise..... The ideological mindset is killing the very soul of this nation, the extremes on either side are squeezing the life out of the middle. The "middle class", that is. |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/08/14 at 09:10:31 His arrogance and poor leadership removed any chance on another vote by me for a second term. Face it, you know you became a racist AFTER you voted for him,,Racism is the only explanation for criticizing him, |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by shorty on 06/09/14 at 08:26:39 253A3C3B2621102010283A367D4F0 wrote:
^^this^^ |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by WD on 06/11/14 at 22:55:55 They will both get theirs... Berghdahl is likely to be convicted of desertion and either spend the rest of his days in Leavenworth or be executed. Obama will hopefully be tried and found guilty of providing material aid to the enemy, a crime that not even the President is exempt from, and sentenced a minimum of 10 years (can carry a life sentence). Read up on it, Judge Andrew Napolitano has already declared Obama guilty... |
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Title: Re: Bowe Berghdahl Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/12/14 at 07:58:49 Judge Andrew Napolitano I like that guy, in spite of his last name, |
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