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Title: New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 05/31/14 at 00:03:43 I'm freaking out I just did the carb swap and wanted to get a new plug in. I was going to try a few but the first one I got was those E3 ones (e3-36 model), and I was using Thunder Products index washers to get it facing the gap. I had my torque wrench set just below 10 ft lbs, though instructions said 10, regardless, I was having trouble getting the cap on and I went to loosen it and it just put up no resistance. I took out the socket and felt the plug could be removed by hand but it suddenly just popped out leaving behind shards of the porcelain..... I can't tell if any got in they are mostly large shards so far as I can tell, but I'm afraid to try and remove them there all being held in place by one large shard and I feel like I'd be paying operation as a kid all over again except if I mess up this I'm gonna have to take the head off, right? Please what do I do I can't afford this darn mistake right now I have summer school on Monday... |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by anebv8 on 05/31/14 at 00:19:47 vacum cleaner (hoover) ? |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 05/31/14 at 00:35:46 Well that might work but upon further inspection of the plug I've realized the head of the new plug is still screwed inside the head.... so it didn't just break the porcelain. Now I don't know how to avoid taking the head off, and is that all up have to take off or will I need to check the lower part of my engine now? And put of curiosity, can I get the maker of this defective nightmare to pony up for the cost of this? Notice in the pic how the metal is busted off, and the plug to its left it the one I took out. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 05/31/14 at 00:37:01 Here is the plug head still in the engine, you cab see its prongs making the square. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by gizzo on 05/31/14 at 02:00:10 That sucks, man. I'd try a stud extractor (ezi out) before I popped the top off the engine. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 05/31/14 at 02:13:47 776D696B6A54657670766D606361040 wrote:
I know I need to I'm just really skeptical about using those. I tried using one on my front forks for a broken screw and the extractor ended up breaking flush where the screw originally broke and now it's even more stuck in there. Worried that would happen to the engine, and even if it does work, what about the possible shards that could have gotten into the cylinder head? It seems like I am going to have to get inside no matter what I do. I am curious if I'm going to have to just get the cylinder head off or go even deeper..? |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by jcstokes on 05/31/14 at 02:32:13 If you use an Eziout all porcelain mist be removed before you start. I understand your scepticism about these things. Is there absolutely no hex left on the plug? Where was the plug made? |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 05/31/14 at 02:46:19 The pic above shows what is left of the plug, probably more than half the threaded part still in the engine. It's one of the e3 spark plugs. That's the brand, their website says their made in Florida. www.e3sparkplugs.com I sent them a rather upset message but they have on their warranty saying they will only cover the cost of spark plugs, even if you do everything right. Really frustrated.... |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by WD on 05/31/14 at 02:52:42 50-50 acetone and atf mix, saturate the area and hit it with an easy out. It probably galled on the way in, you'll need a lot of lubrication to get it removed w/o pulling the head threads out. Once out, run a well greased tap through the plug hole to chase and straighten the threads. Use anti-sieze on the replacement plug from now on. Your engine doesn't leak enough yet to warrant a "dry" install. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 05/31/14 at 02:57:13 What about anything that may have gotten into the engine though? That's my main concern. Really don't want to have to open her up. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/31/14 at 09:43:04 It wasnt tite, so getting it out should be easy. If you dont wanna drive an extractor in it & knock porcelain into the jug, I get that.. Piano wire, 1/8" bits even, theyre cheap, OR 2 skinny extractors,, drill holes in the threaded slug, punch the wire/ drill bit ends, extractors, whatever, into the holes & use that to back it out. Now, get a piece of wire, put a skinny loop on it, get some grease & dab on it, THINK about where that end is, walk it down the wall till it hits the piston, swing it around the Piston/wall junctiona few degrees, pull it out, look for signs of debris,,Spend time here, maybe even lay the bike on its side& smak the jug w/ a board to make anything want to go to one side,,but you need to know theres no busted glass in there,, If you have a compressor you can build a vacuum of sorts. Youll need a blower tip with a skinny, long nozzle tip. I added a 1/8th tubing to one of mine, poke a hole in a piece of tubing about 6 inches from the end, insert nozzle, aimed out the short end, when ya pull the trigger it creates a vacuum on the other end, Ive used that setup a number of times, Itll move fluids.. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 05/31/14 at 10:11:45 786761667B7C4D7D4D75676B20120 wrote:
That seems like a good strategy. It was tight though. I was supposed to get it to 10 ft lbs and I only did about 8-9ish, so it is in there.... What kind of grease should I use? Would just like normal can of engine goop like Valvoline all purpose engine grease? |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by Serowbot on 05/31/14 at 10:20:15 What a piece of carp sparkplug!... JOG's grease on a wire method seems like it might pick something up... ..(hope this is a lesson learned for some people.. don't trust wizbang gizmo science... Champion, NKG, Bosch, all know sparkplug technology... If something really works they'll make it, and make it right)... Sorry for your troubles, dude... Seems like you need access to a bore camera... Call around some machine shops,.. maybe they have one?... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Inspection-Camera-Bore-scope-Endoscope-Waterproof-Snake-LCD-Screen-/261489061330?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3ce1f66dd2 http://cdn.chv.me/images/2_7_Inch_LCD_Screen_-G4ndn_q.JPG |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by scubachef on 05/31/14 at 17:50:48 I have used the grease trick before. It is a very good suggestion. I don't see a way to avoid using an extractor to get it back out. Regarding how this mess began, Are you sure the torque wrench is accurate and calibrated? Maybe it is cranking down more than you thought? If my two cents means anything, anti-seize and tightening just past contact with the head is all that is needed for a plug. I was told by an ASE master tech that the only time he or his employees reach for the torque wrench is engine builds. Good luck, go slow. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by engineer on 05/31/14 at 19:00:25 Sorry this happened to you. And I regret to say this but I think your best course of action is to pull the head. Any piece of ceramic, no matter how small, will score up your bore. Also, if you remove the head you have access to both sides of the plug and it will be easy to remove. I bet you were using a click type torque wrench. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by HondaLavis on 06/01/14 at 00:16:19 I, too, would believe you were using a clicker type torque wrench. Nothing against them, as I use them in aviation all the time, but they NEED to be calibrated on the regular. We do ours every 6-12 months depending on the wrench. Even when calibrated, clickers are typically only accurate +/- 5%. Even still, 10 ft-lbs/120 in-lbs is not a lot of torque. Sorry for your luck. You should definitely contact the spark plug manufacturer with some detailed pictures and angry words. Once you get the big pieces out of the whole, you might go fishing with some wax at the end of a straw, pencil, or string. See if you can pull any more pieces out of your head. That chunk of electrode insulator looks pretty big, though. Where are you located? Are there any nearby savage riders that can help? |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by raydawg on 06/01/14 at 07:57:22 When I go fishing at work (losing standards while building the airplane into a nook or cranny, which now is FOD and must be accounted for) I use a cotton swab with a real sticky paste grease and probe around where I think it fell. If I need more length, I use a spring claw (party roach clip) ;D I have used plastic tubing as well, using duct tape to reduce down from the 1" vac hose to one about 3/8 which really directs the suck to pick up small pieces..... |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by Dave on 06/01/14 at 08:19:02 I am with Raydawg on the vacuum trial first. The problem with using grease is that you may actually make the cylinder sticky and parts may stick to it as well as the grease coated swab. I use my shop vac and the plastic top from a paint spray can. Find a spray can top, or peanut butter jar, or anything that fits over the shop vac hose. Then cut/drill a small hole in the plastic and insert a piece of rubber hose that will fit in the spark plug hole. Having the piston at the bottom of the stroke will give you the most room to move the hose around. A really small tube is the most maneuverable - but may not be able to big up big pieces.....bigger tubes are less flexible but can pick up bigger pieces. You might try a few different sized to see what you can use best. The angle of the spark plug may require that you lean the bike over toward the clutch side and vacuum up the pieces from the low spot on that side....you may not be able to reach over to the shifter side very well. OK....explain to me what you hoped to accomplish by indexing an E3 spark plug? Indexing on a high performance 8,000 rpm engine with a single electrode might get you a ).0001 second advantage on the drag strip......but on a spark plug with 3 electrodes....what is there to index? If a 3 electrode spark plug was of any real benefit - they would have been installed in most production cars and bikes. The factories are spending millions of dollars trying to make engine more efficient....they would have used E3 plugs if they made any real gains. Customer reviews like these would have stopped me from putting them in my engine. Hi if you are consindering changing to this plug please dont they are junk, they caused missfire,blew out a plug boot and cost me $179.00 to find this problem. I contacted E3 they said it was not caused by their plug. I had AC delco plugs installed and have no problems. DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY THEY STINK. The warrenty just covered the cost of the plugs I am out almost $200.00. CHECK WITH YOUR DEALER TO SEE IF PLUGS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR YOUR VEHICLE...I put a set in my 09 wrangler, drove from Kentucky to Florida. At approximately 600 miles the jeep started missing, at 700 it was missing and back firing, we stopped for the night. We took it to a jeep dealer the next morning, they put it on the computer and told me one plug was dead and three were breaking down. Also the plugs were not recommended by Dodge and should not have been installed, as a result the warranty did not cover repairs. I had to pay $197.00 for diagnostics and new plugs, then on the way back to Kentucky the check engine light came on, back to Dodge dealer, because of the back firing, I had to replace EGR valve and PCV valve also not covered by wrranty, $572.00. both dealers said the E-3 plugs because of the firing/spark design the computer sent the wrong firing command and the plugs did not work right, the back firing killed the EGR and PCV. In my opinion if you have a late model Jeep you should not use this plug under any circumstances. I bought these from my local autozone to replace my old Denzo plugs in my 08 Saturn Outlook. The autozone guy said they were better than the denzos and would produce varied gas mileage over new Denzo plugs. Being a car guy, I usually go with what I know and buy brands that are reputable; in this case I said what the heck I'll give them a try, big mistake! After replacing the plugs and setting them to the proper manufacture torque, I start the vehicle, runs fine purs like a kitten, ildles high as all outlooks do. Then, once the idle settles at 750-800, I kept getting stutter and hesitation. No check engine light, so I scan it with my Craftsman OBD2 scanner...code P0301 misfire cylinder 1! To make this short; I removed these plugs one by one only to find all but one cracked. Yes the porcelain was cracked around the top and in some cases the entire diode was bent. I thought I just over tightened then till I googled the situation. There are many reports of these plugs either being defective out the box or crapping out under 30k miles. I just wish I had done my homework first, these plugs have a quality control issue, you are playing roulette buying them and I'd steer clear of them! The company along with some random others promote these plugs as having produced HP gains of 8hp, and 5lbs torque, and distances of 100k miles or more, however they lasted all of 10 minutes in my truck. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by raydawg on 06/01/14 at 09:23:00 Dave, I only use a very small amount of grease, actually it is called CIC, corrosion inhibiting compound, an almost invisible amount works great on holding a smaller washer to a nut, etc, when I am trying to fish it to a very hard to get thread. A glob of it will not work as well as a small amount, so I don't think it would be an issue of sticking to the interior of the cylinder.... by no means is it a magnet, and if you bump up against something it will dislodge, it can be a real bugger, but with patience it works and I don't have to remove additional parts (requiring additional authorization to remove and re-install, etc) to get er done :D |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/01/14 at 10:50:25 Yeah I was using a click torque wrench I just got new from Harbor Freight, didn't know I had to calibrate it, though from the reviews posted above, seems like I bought a crap plug. I already emailed them with some choice words, I'll send pics now too though. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/01/14 at 10:54:54 I didn't realize indexing the plug was going to make so little of a difference. This is the only bike I've owned and so I don't always know when something is more sport bike oriented or not. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/01/14 at 11:01:17 Waiting on a torque wrench to click,, youve got too much leverage to "Feel" a spark plug crush washer work.. Ive never seen plugs installed with a torque wrench. They put torque specs in the book for everything, but not everything needs a torque wrench. Get a ratchet, put it in, dont even TRY to tighten a plug till it stops. Use antisieze, Its like Brylcreme, a little dab'll do ya. Just use a short 3/8ths ratchet & dont put much work into it,, I like Daves answer a lot, Id Start there. The only thing that bothers me about it is GETTING the piston to bottom dead center. Youve gotta do that w/o ever letting the piston move UP, so, dont go past BDC & let it start back up & dont go toward TDC. You dont wanna catch any busted chips between jug wall & piston.. Id start with layin it on its side & vacuuming. I would want a Super Clean vacuum to start with, wash the hose insides out, or maybe figure some "Catch can" inline or maybe just a piece of tee shirt pulled across where the hose attaches, so I could SEE what I was getting out,, But, of course, a tee shirt would be somewhat restrictive,, & yea, go easy on the grease. After youve done all ya can with the vacuum, unless you can get hold of an inspection tool & KNow its clean, then Id go fishin with a wire,, Now, you CAN get some very stiff but very thin wire at the hobby shops that cater to airplane builders. I call it piano wire, sometimes they call it control rod wire, Take the hose thatll pass thru the plug hole, & some masking tape or dental floss or fine fishing line & connect the wire to the hose, that way you can actually point the hose where ya want it.,You can shape the wire at the end & make the hose not round, kinda like a crevice attachment. That changes the area, makes it smaller, increases flow rate, as long as ya dont decrease it enough to make such a restriction it decreases it.. It could A: Reach that piston/wall junction better B: suck a little harder If ya hear that "Im kinda plugged up" sound, gently pull out & see whats on your hose.. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by Serowbot on 06/01/14 at 11:06:05 091610170A0D3C0C3C04161A51630 wrote:
Yuppers... whenever I'm tightening into aluminum, I hold the head of the ratchet and tighten with one hand... never get any leverage from the handle... You get more feel that way... I do anyway... :-?... |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by jcstokes on 06/01/14 at 16:54:20 Three or more electrode spark plugs were around in the very early twentieth century. Most were soon done away with. I had two electrode ones in my Toyota Camry and they gave no trouble, but single ones are in there now. If the hex part broke off, it must be faulty manufacture, as to break of a good one there wouldn't be any thread left in the head. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by S-P on 06/01/14 at 17:59:13 3325322F37222F34400 wrote:
You might be able to rent one of these at a tool rental place now. Home Depot sells a homeowner/contractor version of these, pretty pricey for a one time thing tho. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by engineer on 06/01/14 at 18:14:29 I changed my mind! In an earlier post I thought it would be best to pull the head. After reading these posts I think some of the suggested methods of fishing out the debris will probably work. There is always a certain amount of risk associated with mechanical work and removing the head might end up creating a new problem. If you do vacuum it out, try to catch the debris is some sort of filter so you'll know if you got anything. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/01/14 at 18:28:39 So had a mostly wasted day getting supplies. I got one of those inspection cameras from HF but didn't take note that the head size of the coil camera is 16mm. I got a air compressor and tried rigging it to produce suction, which didn't work, so I put the whole thing in a bag and tape around some tubing I put in and it sort of works.... Couldn't find anyone who knew what kind of grease to get, though I tried looking for that CIC stuff and none to be found. About all I did get was thin mechanic wire which will work if I go the grease route, and an extractor. Though I forgot, what am I supposed to apply to the plug before I try and remove the busted end? |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by S-P on 06/01/14 at 18:32:36 2F333D3328352F225A0 wrote:
Sounds like me and a plumbing job. ;D Anyhoo... a 50/50 mix of acetone and transmission fluid is the best "nutsoff" rusty bolt fluid. It works ten times better than any off the shelf product. Small amount, let it sit and penetrate, apply agin, let er sit, apply again... etc etc. Let the fluid do the work. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/01/14 at 18:59:46 How do I apply it? Meaning, I don't want to get any in my engine in guessing, but I want it to loosen the threads for extracting the plug, so do I cover the bottom and apply a bit around the broken part of the thread? I'm going to return the stuff I got today I found that home Depot has a few bore cameras for about 130. After that still undecided about using the wire with grease (still don't know exactly what kind to use that won't stick to my piston as previously warned, or if I can get a vacuum setup, but that is really expensive it seems to... Can someone name exactly what kind and brand of grease I can fish any debris out with that won't end up sticking to my piston or other parts? |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by S-P on 06/01/14 at 19:06:42 4B5759574C514B463E0 wrote:
You can probably use an eyedropper. It is acetone which evaporates in a heart beat and tranny fluid which won't hurt anything in your cylinder if you get some in it, it'll burn off quickly after smoking like crazy for a couple minutes. (Buy the acetone at Home Depot, 7 bucks a quart in the paint department). You can use any home vaccuum cleaner with a hose. Depot sells small shop vacs for about 30 bucks if you don't have anything that will work. Grease? I'd think any moly wheel bearing grease would work. I don't think you'll be depositing enough in the cylinder to do any damage... again, it may smoke for a while as it burns off, and you might have to change the plug, but still cheaper and easier than pulling the head. Grease experts may correct me on that so stay tuned. ;) |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by Serowbot on 06/01/14 at 19:32:52 There are grease experts?... :-?... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by gizzo on 06/01/14 at 20:03:19 5B4749475C415B562E0 wrote:
Dude, surely you have a vacuum cleaner hanging around the house? You just need that, take the pipe off the suction hose so you only have the bendy hose on the vacuum cleaner. Get a piece of PVC hose that fits though the spark plug hole. Wrap one end of the hose in a rag, stuff that in the vacuum cleaner hose, wrap up in packing tape or something and let it rip. Get the busted spark plug out first tho. More crap is bound to fall in while your poking around. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by S-P on 06/01/14 at 21:08:57 5F495E435B4E43582C0 wrote:
You never know who might be lurking on the lis... People get Ph.Ds in pretty slim topics these days. ;) |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/02/14 at 07:40:03 I didnt have a bore camera,, I was just meticulous. A Vacuum cleaner,, just any old vacuum cleaner with a HOSE,, start there, Just get some grease, some THICK grease, ..like for heavy equipment, high pressure stuff. The backhoe gets a red pasty grease, a dab of that on a 3/8ths dowel will pick up a 3/8ths nut. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/02/14 at 19:13:27 Surprisingly I don't, I live in a apt with all wood floors. I'll go for one of those small hoovers. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/03/14 at 07:16:59 If ya dont wanna buy one, look at renting a shop vac,Youre not gonna do it damage, You mite get one for 10 bucks for a day,.,maybe less,, OHH,, & you have my sympathy. Ive had some experience in apartment living. The last one I rented I was 22. After that I found Guest Houses out behind houses in the old part of town. Back in the 50's, thats how they did it,Listening to other peoples music, doors closing, kids, chairs dragging across the ceiling, toilets flush.,. AAaaaggghhh! I lived in some dumps, but at least they were quiet,,I was in control of my environment. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/04/14 at 12:55:25 Dave, where did you find these reviews? I'm dealing with e3's warranty people right now and he saying he never heard of this happening to which I replied someone in my forum posted a bunch of comments about this happening and then he started saying how well yeah that was like ten years ago but we've fixed the problem since then.... Anyways was just wondering in case it comes up again. 6B505D4A5B574C4A5159544B380 wrote:
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by Dave on 06/04/14 at 13:18:45 Reviews were on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/E3-Spark-Plugs-E3-56-Replacement/product-reviews/B000BPOIB6 |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by shorty on 06/04/14 at 13:29:57 sorry buddy, I feel your pain, but let me say this: never use anything bigger than a 3/8" ratchet on aluminum heads, and even with the small ratchet don't make them tight.. you would not believe how many outboard motor heads I've had to replace because of folks over-tightening or not using bare fingers to thread all the way in |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/04/14 at 13:51:42 Well this is a bit of a side note but now I'm pissed at Thunder Products. To try and pay for some of this work and tools I'm having to return some things to them and the owner just like flipped out on me over the phone and wanted to charge me like nearly $60 just to return 3 things which I haven't even opened. I told him that was absurd and agreed to a $30 restocking fee and he just yelled ship it now and hung up. WTF? I understand this isn't his fault, but regardless of if this had happened, I was already having a hard time properly jetting my new carb, and he sent me the wrong dial-a-jet, the torque wing isn't worth a hundred dollars I don't care what performance gains it gives I could have one fabricated for about ten dollars. I'm the one paying for shipping, all he has to do is receive the package, check that I did in fact not open anything, and put it back on a shelf. That darn spark plug didn't even shatter until I tried indexing it which he really empathasized was so important, so this wouldn't even have happened had he not pushed all these darn products on me. Maybe I'm over reacting, he was nice when I wanted to buy something from him but as soon as a return is mentioned he loses all sense of customer service? I saw planning on getting a Dial-a-jet down the line when I can afford it again, but not anymore. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/04/14 at 14:14:26 Well I guess I must of pissed off the motorcycle God's or something. Just tried doing an easy out and that broke off nice and deep in the cylinder. Now I have no choice right? Not only do I have to take the head off, but I'll probably need to have it machined to get this stuff out. Omg I want to cry right now it's so hot in Houston already and now I'm going to be waking and taking the bus to summer school for the next month at least... :'( |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by S-P on 06/04/14 at 14:27:20 45595759425F4548300 wrote:
Dang... that sucks. I've never heard of an easy out breaking. Yeah, it sounds like pulling the head is the next stage. Sorry to hear that. :-/ |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/14 at 09:59:56 HOw much MEAT is there to drill into if you drill 1/2 way between the center of the plug base & the threads? If you can drill a 1/8th hole between center & threads on both sides of center, you can cut 2, 1/8th bits off & use the smooth ends. Poke them in the holes & stick a flat piece of metal between them & use them to drag it out, If you broke an ease out off instead of backing that plug out, you were well past 10 foot pounds.,.,or cross threaded. Sure doesnt sound like a plug w/ antiseize just being properly installed, |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/10/14 at 18:12:08 Well I had to take my bike to a local mechanic, luckily found one through a forum here in Houston who's really reasonable. He got the plug out and said it wasn't over torqued, it is just a crappy plug with very thin walls for the metal threading. Have been taking to the company about warranty and getting these costs covered, though it's probably a pipe dream lol. The good news was he didn't have to remove the head to get the plug out and my threading is perfectly fine, further reinforcing that I didn't over torque it. The bad news, when I tried extracting it I used a easy out that was too small and went in and damaged my intake valve (one at least so far as the bore camera could see, so now the cylinder head does have to come off. So far just the parts I ordered already have me over $150, and I'll just have to wait and see what labor will end up being... Hopefully it's just the one valve damaged. Ugh fml. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by S-P on 06/10/14 at 19:20:16 Well, that's good news and bad news... I really hate it when I create work by trying to do stuff that I should have just paid someone to do when my gut was saying "you're in over your head here!".... oh well. I just look at it as my student loan on a PhD in "Stupid". :D |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/10/14 at 21:10:11 Being as my student loans are paying for this and those were the thoughts I had originally about being in over my head that is pretty much 100% dead on how I feel. The mechanic who is currently working on my bike originally offered to do the plug removal for free but I had no way to get my bike to him at first. Only after I messed up did I remember that my gf has triple A so I was able to get a free tow about 40 miles away. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/14 at 04:51:33 Buddy O mine had a jet boat w/ a 460 Ford motor. We bounced & hopped that thing all over the lakes of Texas for a coupla years. One day I looked back & that motor winks at me as we hop a wave.. it lifted the motor cover & winked at me.,, & I knew that wasnt good.. WE shut it down to a crawl & got it on the trailer,,Took it home, discovered some of the wood had busted. We set about fixin it, Man, took a coupla weeks, fiberglass, borrowing saws, buying wood, Pain in the BUTT,, & as we were finishing up Ronnie says, "Ya know,, I just sent in the payment for the insurance on this thing... Why didnt we use the insurance? " Dooooh.. Glad YOU didnt cause the problem. Theyll send ya a new plug, for FREE! The rest is on you,.. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/11/14 at 08:57:07 Yeah I know it's all BS but I'm just gonna play along and maybe I'll be surprised.... Though rather unlikely lol. |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/14 at 09:03:01 What? You a glutton for punishment? You already GOT one "surprise" from them,, You mite mention you dont have a real hobby & youre kinda lookin for one.. & that should you go away with such a bad taste in your mouth you just mite be tempted to spend time surfing the net for any place their product is mentioned & include a comment or two about your experience.. Whereas, OTOH, should you go away believing theyre an honorable outfit & stand behind their product youll tell everyone they treated ya right,, |
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Title: Re: EMERGENCY! New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/11/14 at 10:01:17 You read my mind. That's basically going to be my counter offer when/if they tell me they are only going to replace the plug. Hell, just sending the plug to them is going to cost more then the plug itself! Lol I emailed them telling them what my mechanic told me and that he was very sure it was a bad spark plug and I got a response today from them thanking me for involving him haha. Yeah... I'm not one who would ever try and take advantage of a situation like this, but I get very angry over the principle of how these things are handled and if I feel like I'm being screwed around I'll definitely find that new hobby, and get very good at it. ;) (unless it involves complex motorcycle maintenance...) |
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Title: Re: New spark plug shattered while in. Post by Dave on 06/11/14 at 12:08:24 I modified the thread title.....I believe the emergency is over. |
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Title: Re: New spark plug shattered while in. Post by uigiroux on 06/11/14 at 12:19:29 447F7265747863657E767B64170 wrote:
That seems about right. |
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