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Message started by thumperclone on 05/28/14 at 21:07:36

Title: snowden
Post by thumperclone on 05/28/14 at 21:07:36

what's your take?
I just watched the nbc interview with him
blew me away he's a hs drop out..

I'd like to know exactly what "secrets" he gave away

russia's role in this seems a lot more transparent now that my wifey explained the screw you factor..

Title: Re: snowden
Post by Serowbot on 05/28/14 at 23:01:21

...HS dropout?... that's just scary...
He had a point,... that we already knew...
Sure,.. 9/11 happened, terrorism is real,... NSA happened... now Big Brother is watching...
This ain't news...

Dude's just a bit snarky...
... and he's more a self promoter than a patriot...
JMHO... he's a traitor... :-?...

Title: Re: snowden
Post by Pine on 05/29/14 at 07:09:17

I don't see him as a traitor, but a simple person who saw things he believed were WRONG and decided to use his position to let EVERYONE know what was going on.

Washington as shown by Kerry, are only pissed because WASHINGTON got a black eye. The secrets were NOTHING (in terms of damage).. except embarrassing. The most damaging thing he did was to force the powers such as NSA to tiptoe around Washington, instead of bully it into submission ... something they have done since G H Bush ( aka former head of the CIA). Sadly I cannot think of or name a single Washington politician that has not shown evidence of having a "visit" with the NSA and then suddenly deciding that 911 terrors are around every corner and that no freedom.. no liberty is too sacred to remove from the american citizen in order to fortify the security of the government.
Further.. such measures .. the draconian removeal of freedoms from the general populace are NOT to protect THEM... but ONLY to protect manifestations of the government itself.

Title: Re: snowden
Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/14 at 09:06:38

You can't deny that he knows something we don't.
And knowing that, he choose to be in another country before he disclosed the eavesdropping/wiretapping issue.

No, I don't like that he tipped off every criminal to that fact.
It may not be a well known fact that any phone can be traced/tapped,
But it has been portrayed in many films already that it should be.
But the fact that Uncle Sinister Sam can watch all phones at the same time is (really impressive if you think about it) beyond comprehension.
And the 'oh no we don't do it to Americans' cop out is really impressive too, not only can they track/bug all phones, but they immediately know good/bad too... and we don't track/bug good guys unless they are talking to bad guys... yeah right.

Title: Re: snowden
Post by Serowbot on 05/29/14 at 09:18:14

If they're reading my e-mails... they're only doing it to cure their insomnia...
;D ;D ;D...

Title: Re: snowden
Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/14 at 09:48:16

6C7A6D70687D706B1F0 wrote:

If they're reading my e-mails... they're only doing it to cure their insomnia...
;D ;D ;D...

I'm sure they're acquainted with you... and they're reading them backwards with great interest. :-?

Title: Re: snowden
Post by shorty on 05/29/14 at 10:05:44

I don't think he gave up any big secrets internationally, and domestically I think we've all known how "snoopy" uncle sam is..

so I don't see him as a traitor, maybe a coward for not staying in the states and blow the whistle..

on the other hand uncle sam has already stated they want to lock him up.
I would have told folks close to me and leave it at that :-X

Title: Re: snowden
Post by pgambr on 05/29/14 at 15:46:44

When the revelations came forward, the establishment hedged bets and lost. No we aren't doing anything of that nature. That one fella even lied to congress under oath. Then congress asked what about our phones and e-mail? Yes yours too. :o

Title: Re: snowden
Post by Trippah on 05/29/14 at 18:52:27

If you check the history of whistle blowers, you'll find they are protected all the way to the gallows.

The truth seems to be that the Government feels it needs to trample anybody's rights in order to protect us (really itself). If you look at the numbers, 3,000 died on 9/11 while many more die each year due to gun shots , or automobile accidents. That being said, if you read the Presidential briefing book every morning, you sometimes wonder how little actually has happened to us. It is a depressing book to read. ;)

Title: Re: snowden
Post by Pine on 05/30/14 at 07:12:03

60727D607C7D7674130 wrote:

Just a comment on that ( highlighted in yellow) Staying in the states would NOT be a smart move given the NDAA... yeah remember that one??? You see the NDAA allows the military to pick up and secret away ANYONE connected with Terrorism. There are NO charges, NO court, NO trial.. and NO limit to how long one can be detained.

Indeed - America home of the NEW oubliette.

An oubliette (from the French oubliette, literally "forgotten place") was a form of dungeon which was accessible only from a hatch in a high ceiling. The word comes from the same root as the French oublier, "to forget", as it was used for those prisoners the captors wished to forget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon

Title: Re: snowden
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/14 at 08:08:18

Im still trying to wrap my head around the whole affair. He recently admitted he is a spy..
Telling us where the goobs are breaking the law & doing things To US is never treason,,

Title: Re: snowden
Post by Serowbot on 05/30/14 at 09:26:47

He has asylum in Russia... they ain't keeping him, 'cause he's a good, patriotic, American... :-/...
So, what do you imagine, are they are getting out of it?... :-?...

Title: Re: snowden
Post by shorty on 05/30/14 at 09:43:03

Pine reminded me of the NDAA which I'm trying to forget..

I would surely hope as a citizen of these United States a whistle blower would get a fair trial with a jury of his peers..

anything less would mean a severe breakdown in our judicial system

Title: Re: snowden
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/14 at 10:09:42

3523342931242932460 wrote:

He has asylum in Russia... they ain't keeping him, 'cause he's a good, patriotic, American... :-/...
So, what do you imagine, are they are getting out of it?... :-?...

You ask a good ? there. Ive seen a Snowden remark that was shockingly critical of Russian policy,,dang if I didnt forget what it was..Hard to know whats a psy-op & whats real. One thing is certain, he NEEDED somewhere to be. What kinda deal did he hafta make to be allowed to stay? Man, I dont like to think what he may be trading for his rent, Too bad our goobs are so dangerous, he coulda stayed here if not for the NDAA & the potential for a car wreck or heart attack & the myriad other things that could happen to someone who exposes criminal acts by the powers that be,

All that said, lets dont lose sight of his recent statements.. He IS more than just some low level analyst,,he has worked for several agencies & is trained as a spy, so, what to believe?

Title: Re: snowden
Post by Paraquat on 05/30/14 at 11:10:33

I think it's an excellent question.
Best theory I've heard all month.

Let's put a spin on it, shall we?
1)
Russia makes a move.
US gets uppity.
Putin uses that intel to make them settle down.

2)
Russia waits for a real good indicator of a civil uprising.
Released intel and throws gasoline on the fire.

--Steve

Title: Re: snowden
Post by shorty on 05/30/14 at 14:06:57

FORCED into ACA good enough indicator? or do we need more rights taken.. the freight train ain't stoppin' folks, they only care about themselves.

we desperately need them to spend within their means like the rest of us
(apologies for getting off topic)