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Title: Religion of Peace Post by WebsterMark on 05/28/14 at 05:33:06 Pregnant Pakistani woman stoned to death by family 'Honour killing' in broad daylight outside Lahore high court involved father and brothers, police say |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by Paraquat on 05/28/14 at 06:07:22 I read up on the Honor Killings last year. Those are some messed up, backwards people. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by shorty on 05/28/14 at 06:17:40 but if we're nice they will love us ::) or so that's what barack hussein obama and his sheep say |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by Pine on 05/28/14 at 06:32:57 I read some of the story... The "honor killing", which I would have supposed was a father killing his own daughter because she did something "bad".. er no.. She dated and was engaged to a man for several years. But the man would not pay the father for the daughter ( a grown woman) so the father accused the man of basically kidnapping. The now husband and wife were at court to fight that charge. The father and brothers tried to force the bride to go with them and when she fought.. they decided to kill her. The police stood by and watched. as Paul Harvey would say.... "its not one world" |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by thumperclone on 05/28/14 at 08:48:46 aren't these from the same tribe that molest boys? |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by WebsterMark on 05/28/14 at 09:53:36 425E435B465344555A595853360 wrote:
Is that an attempt to equate the catholic priest scandal with bashing hundreds if not thousands of women's brains out? Just wondering.... |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by WD on 05/28/14 at 09:55:39 Probably not. There are a couple factions of Islam where laying with a woman is seen as dirty, yet turning young boys into sexual playthings is considered normal and acceptable... |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by thumperclone on 05/28/14 at 10:08:16 754740515647506F435049220 wrote:
Is that an attempt to equate the catholic priest scandal with bashing hundreds if not thousands of women's brains out? Just wondering....[/quote] not really was just wondering we live in a world where atrocities are hidden behind the veil of religon |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by WebsterMark on 05/28/14 at 10:10:46 Well, there are atrocities and then there are ATROCITIES.... |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by Serowbot on 05/28/14 at 12:20:10 If you have a religion,... let it guide your behaviour... The problems come when people try to impose it on others... We can't fix what Pakistan does... but we can straighten up our own act... All religions have some archaic rules and behaviours...( if Christians followed to the letter, they'd be stoning half the world to death)... Phffft!... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/28/14 at 12:31:39 NO,, not so,, the Cross & Resurrection changed it all,, We live under Grace, not The Law. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by thumperclone on 05/28/14 at 14:05:22 3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote:
I have a niece named grace ::) |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by shorty on 05/28/14 at 17:21:53 I think we don't stone daughters to death for getting married, I'm pretty sure the church stopped burning witches 200 yrs ago. religion of peace is the subject title |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by mpescatori on 05/29/14 at 00:07:05 Stoning women is not the backwards custom of a backwards People, it is the Word of God as given to Moses, (Leviticus, 20:10 - BOTH are to be put to death)(John, 8:1-11 oddly, there is no mention of the MAN who committed adultery) Unfortunately, someone oh-so-wise thinks that "Jesus spread the Word and now we are forgiven". ::) Unfortunately, not so. In the episode nararted in John 8:1-11, Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"... and they all left. Hence, no-one, in Jesus' eyes, is entitled to judge a case of lust, as we are all subject to lust. Back to the case of the Pakistani woman. That is not a case of Islamic Law, any more than burning witches is a case of Christian Law. :-? No siree, it is a case of local customs and traditions, as applied by King Charlemagne when he conquered the Saxon Tribes Tribes and, mimicking an illustrious precedent by Bishop Boniface, burend down all sacred centenary oaks in the Sacred Forest, and offered "conversion or death" to the "pagan" Saxons. Unsurprisingly, most Saxons remained true to their Lord and God, Thor, and preferred death to apostasy. http://www.pathguy.com/thorsoak.htm https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Charlemagne ... interesting read. I quote: "In his first campaign, Charlemagne forced the Engrians in 773 C.E. to submit and cut down the pagan holy tree "Irminsul" near Paderborn" Religions of Peace ? Buddhism, or the Monotheistic Incas (who were wiped out by Catholic Spaniards... :-X ) Jesus said "Blessed are you because you believe..." John 20:29-31 but NEVER EVER said a word against those who would not believe... ...or, quite simply, against those who would remain true to their own religion... Think about it ;) |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by shorty on 05/29/14 at 05:17:34 that was two thousand years ago ;) the incident in Pakistan is present day |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by Paraquat on 05/29/14 at 06:00:57 HEY! This is an argument over religion, not evolution. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by mpescatori on 05/29/14 at 23:55:57 Correct. "That was 2000 years ago" implies the preachings of Jesus are, by someone's standards, absolute hogwash because they're 2000 years old. OR Why is it that any and all lew students are made to read Cicero, Seneca, Cato and Aristotle ? Just to waste their time with "2000 y.o. stuff" ? Man's evolution is measured in "quarter million " and "half million year" intervals; 2000 years means Julius caesar had exactly the same receding hair line we have today, and made his hair grow long from his temples to comb it over his bald head... ...sound familiar ? http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwz-zoatv1dpc5JIBMw-frFBdnY63ssxJSlr-28hBOLPvsv2ajqA http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6Sri-aWQ1aoZXYekjpYG8tNnYuXqePndYN1MbeKzYLOahh2tx |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by mpescatori on 05/30/14 at 01:22:37 And anyway... stonig to death, or burning to death, or circumcision, are customs which belong to some peoples, and not others. They have nothing to do with religion, other than being officialized by priests. Evidence is how neighboring Peoples with differing religions may still have similar customs. EXAMPLE : CIRCUMCISION According to many an anthropologist and archaeologist, the event described in Genesis, where "The Lord" told Abraham to circumcise himself, does not describe "The Creator" enforcing the Patriarch to slice away a piece of his own body, but "God on Earth, the Son of the Sun, the Wings of the Hawk, the Dispenser of Justice" (who already followed such a tradition on his own Royal Family), telling his new Prince vassal to do the same as a sign of dedication and absolute obedience. To those who didn't understand... circumcision, infibulation and other forms of body mutilation were the surgeries performed on the babies (or adults) of the Royal Family in Egypt since the Naqada Dinasty, also known as the "00" Dynasty, sometime around 3900 B.C. That, ladies and gentlemen, is even before the Flood, according to the integralist Creationists out there. To those who didn't know... Abram did not come out of the City of Ur in lower Sumer, but from the "Land of Ur(artu)", which is modern Kurdistan; Abram was a Prince of the Mitanni, who lost a war against the Egyptian Pharaoh (Kadesh, anyone ? ;) ) was offered as "royal hostage", and became governor of an internal Province (Canaan, the Promised Land). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Qadesh http://ash.byu.edu/publications/books/?bookid=48&chapid= interesting read... http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/sitchinbooks03_03a.htm only if it's a dull rainy day... ;) Please take note that "Ur" meant "city" and it is chock full of city names all ending with, or containint "Ur" or "Ar": Nippur, Izurtu, Urbuni, Arbailu (modern Erbil in Iraq) Shingar, Harran... http://cdn2.all-art.org/Visual_History/52-c.jpghttp://euro-synergies.hautetfort.com/media/02/01/882468055.jpg Sooo... where does all this lead us ? It leads us to the understanding that popular lore and customs evolve and change much slower than religion will change your view of things. No modern metropolitan Turk would stone a girl for an incident similar to the one in Pakistan... ...nor will you see Turkish or even Tunisian women dressed in burqas... http://www.corriereinformazione.it/images/stories/velo_musulmano.jpg http://wp.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/files/2011/01/r778639797-300x199.jpg |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by shorty on 05/30/14 at 09:47:56 I was not trying to imply 2000 years eliminates culture, just saying Christianity and other religions of the modern world would not promote stoning to death of one's daughter for getting married without permission |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by mpescatori on 06/01/14 at 06:21:46 Hi Shorty. I beg to differ, but... "Christianity and other religions of the modern world " ...the last time I looked, Christianity was founded 650 years before Islam. The only "modern" religions I am aware of are Jehova's Witnesses and Mormons, neither of which are very much thought of in Europe. In fact, other than Jehova's Witnesses themselves, a religion which enforces Death of children because surgery in hospitals is forbidden, is considered an extreme for of brain washing and blasphemy to the eyes of the Lord. Of course, you are entitled to your own opinion, but Italian prisons are known for hosting JW "guests" who refused surgery to their own children and were convinced "prayer will save them". It didn't. They died a horrible and painful Death. :-X |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by raydawg on 06/01/14 at 08:14:07 Yo scant-fishy, I got your inference about stoning by Jesus, and you used in correctly, to debunk their claim.... Of course Jesus knew their answer before he asked, I believe, and the question can still be posed to each one of us today, and be just as relevant ;D Now here in the state of Washington we have a whole slew of stoners, but that's a different parable 8-) |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by shorty on 06/01/14 at 10:07:28 11021A07021404630 wrote:
...LOL ;D |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace Post by shorty on 06/01/14 at 10:11:18 MP- bad comparison my friend, the JW parents believe prayer will save the child.. no comparison to the deliberate murder (intent to kill) that the Pakistani father did to his own daughter :-? I don't know if you don't understand me, or just like debating buddy ;) |
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