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Title: New Bundy thread... Post by Serowbot on 04/19/14 at 11:41:56 Okay... restart.. Govn't bad,... Bundy good... North pointed out a statute in the Nevada state law,.. that acknowledges the rights of the US govn't and declines any claim of ownership by private persons... ... and everyone here ignored it... Why?... the law is clear... :-?... ...section 4, paragraph 4 of Nevada's Enabling Act application which states, Quote:
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/14 at 12:20:32 Breaking the law and ignoring the law was the calling card of occupy Wall Street. Didn't we hear for 8 darn years that dissent was the highest form of patriotism? Can't Bundy dissent? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by oldNslow on 04/19/14 at 12:25:37 7563746971646972060 wrote:
These folks don't seem to be very impressed with the law North cited. And they are not exactly radical Ar-15 toting "teabillys". http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57836973-90/utah-lands-lawmakers-federal.html.csp Besides, when the current resident of the white house and his attorney general routinely ignore the law, why should Mr. Bundy be harassed for allegedly doing the same thing. Quote:
Besides,Bundy has never claimed to own the land, he has just claimed the right to use it per longstanding practice and agreements, that he thinks were arbitrarily altered for political reasons. As I said in one of the deleted posts - Google "prescriptive rights" if you want some background on the legal precedence that may support Bundy's claim. The way the BLM choose to handle the matter is what got folks upset, not the legal disagreement itself. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/19/14 at 13:09:15 A law, repugnant to the Constitution, is no law at all,., Look it up, study it. Is it POssible the state of Arizone signed its people into slavery to the feds? I guess,, BUT, are the citizens REQuired to accept it? How about Texas sign a piece of paper giving 80% of Texas back to Mexico without having any time for the People to have their say? I can produce a piece of paper saying everything you own is mine, does that make it so? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/19/14 at 14:05:55 it is our DUTY as citizens to protest or disregard ANY law that is unjust.. Only the PEOPLE can invoke laws.. BRAVO to anyone who stands up for people's rights.. all govt land belongs to the people of the United States |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Serowbot on 04/19/14 at 15:02:30 796B647965646F6D0A0 wrote:
I agree... Stand up,.. protest,.. defy and get arrested (used to good effect during the civil rights battle)... Sue,.. fight them in court all the way to the SCOTUS... ...but, when people start pulling guns on law enforcement,... that is not legal civil disobedience, it is life threatening... and you win nothing by doing that... You just get dead or imprisoned for life... |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/14 at 15:10:21 Western lawmakers gather in Utah to talk federal land takeover ‘It’s time’ » Lawmakers from 9 states gather in Utah, discuss ways to take control of federal lands. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Serowbot on 04/19/14 at 15:44:38 5C6E69787F6E79466A79600B0 wrote:
Behind closed doors... I wonder in who's pocket these fella's are... ;D... |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/14 at 16:47:10 That's what you took from that?... Gee wiz.... |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by pgambr on 04/19/14 at 18:02:07 OK, so what do you think is going to happen next? I don't foresee them saying bygones be bygones. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/19/14 at 19:12:01 How fascinating would it be if 3 or 4 states stopped allowing certain federal agencies to have final say in their state..... Has the potential to get outta hand but no more outta hand than the Feds have gotten. It's started a little when some states said no to setting up exchanges for obamacare. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/20/14 at 04:58:42 4C5A4D50485D504B3F0 wrote:
I agree... Stand up,.. protest,.. defy and get arrested (used to good effect during the civil rights battle)... Sue,.. fight them in court all the way to the SCOTUS... ...but, when people start pulling guns on law enforcement,... that is not legal civil disobedience, it is life threatening... and you win nothing by doing that... You just get dead or imprisoned for life... [/quote] sorry, false.. nobody pointed guns at law enforcement.. what is your news source? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Serowbot on 04/20/14 at 11:44:57 Quote:
Gives new meaning to ladies first.. I guess Sheriff Mack is taking chivalry lessons from Al-Qaeda and the PLO... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by North Country on 04/20/14 at 18:36:53 “Sorry, false.. nobody pointed guns at law enforcement.. what is your news source?” Google is your friend sir, there are many photos (proudly taken by the lawless loons) showing them behind cement barriers with their sniper weapons locked and loaded trained on law enforcement. “A law, repugnant to the Constitution, is no law at all” And a citizen denying the authority of the United States government, and the legitimacy of the duly elected president of the United States of America, cannot hide behind the Constitution to justify their criminality. “How fascinating would it be if 3 or 4 states stopped allowing certain federal agencies to have final say in their state.” This issue has been addressed time and again sir, from the war of southern treason, to the governor of Alabama standing in the door of a school shouting: Segregation Now! Segregation Forever! It doesn’t pass the smell test. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/21/14 at 04:36:19 war of southern treason?? you make a fool of yourself NC, you have zero knowledge of American history, you are a puppet for the liberal agenda |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/21/14 at 05:41:46 shorty; anytime someone calls the civil war anything other than the civil war; (without a detail explanation why they call it that) they are only doing it to get a rise out of people. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Paraquat on 04/21/14 at 06:15:08 373F3E202E284D0 wrote:
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson --Steve |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by oldNslow on 04/21/14 at 06:32:37 Quote:
Of course it's perfectly OK for the president,the attorney generaI, and the heads of all the federal alphebet agencys to IGNORE that same constitution to facilitate their criminality. ;D |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/21/14 at 07:16:26 Of course it's perfectly OK for the president,the attorney generaI, and the heads of all the federal alphebet agencys to IGNORE that same constitution to facilitate their criminality Excellent point old; what's the difference between Obama, Holder and Bundy? Holder refuses to uphold immigration laws because he believes they are unfair. Obama changes his own laws because he feels it unfairly cost a certain class of people money. Bundy ignores laws he feels target him specifically so others can gain financially. What's the difference between the 3? Obama and Holder brought this on themselves. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/21/14 at 07:22:31 1E2C2B3A3D2C3B04283B22490 wrote:
thanks mark, the offensive post (by NC) actually hurt my heart.. Having spent many years in the country's NE and deep south I became a little bit of a civil war student and learned a great deal.. State's rights are of utmost importance if we are to remain free of centralized tyranny.. Our forefathers new this and took great steps to limit the power of the federal government. "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by thumperclone on 04/21/14 at 07:32:40 the only injustice I see is bundy owing us back rent |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/21/14 at 07:37:28 322E332B362334252A292823460 wrote:
I rest my case |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by thumperclone on 04/21/14 at 07:41:00 7569746C716473626D6E6F64010 wrote:
let me clarify he needs to pay up!! |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Paraquat on 04/21/14 at 09:08:05 What happens when you misfile your W2? Or don't fill out an extension? Does the IRS show up with snipers? --Steve |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/21/14 at 09:27:00 Anyone not familiar with Marbury V. Madisson needs to do some digging. Thats where Unconstitutional law is no law came from, thats a Supreme court ruling. That law need not be so labeled in Court before being disregarded by a citizen, Thats In The Court ruling, Do you think a soldier can go to a court in order to get permission to disrefard an illegal order? Are YOU incapable of reading & grasping the Constitution & are YOU unable to know the difference between right & wrong? Why do you believe others must have a judge read it & tell them what it says? Ive read it, I KNOW much of it & if you wanna have a little discussion on reading comprehension Ill go toe to toe with ya on the commerce clause ( unless of course you dont believe the feds have the powers theyre exercising illegally today) http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/19/do-the-feds-really-own-the-land-in-nevada-nope/ Read it all, dont stop up at the top where the "paper" says the feds own it,, they dont, YOu need to learn the difference between fraud & color of law & REal Law. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/21/14 at 09:51:19 6150435040445045310 wrote:
The US royals new exactly what they were doing when they made the IRS responsible for enforcing obamacare.. no judge to rule on dissent, the IRS will take private land and homes to satisfy their insatiable lust for power.. history will show the turn of the century as a turn away from govt for the people.. I place blame on repubs AND dems for this mess |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by North Country on 04/21/14 at 18:37:20 “Of course it's perfectly OK for the president,the attorney generaI, and the heads of all the federal alphebet agencys to IGNORE that same constitution to facilitate their criminality.” Mr. Nslow, I am curious to know just what criminality you are referring to? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by oldNslow on 04/21/14 at 19:12:51 Quote:
Well you could start with Fast and Furious, The Benghazi coverup, The IRS targeting of Conservative 531s, The refusal of the DOJ to investigate and prosecute documented cases of voter fraud and intimidation, the never ending extra-legislative "tweaks" to the ACA which are not within the POTUS's constitutional authority, the contention that the POTUS has the authority, which he has already exercised, to order the murder of a US citizen without any sort of due process - you know - just blow his ass up with a missile fired from a Predator. . . Come up with the rationalizations/justifications for those and maybe we'll talk some more. And just saying that they are nothing but tea-party conspiracy theories wont' cut it either.. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by North Country on 04/21/14 at 20:19:16 “Well you could start with Fast and Furious, The Benghazi cover up, The IRS targeting of Conservative 531s, The refusal of the DOJ to investigate and prosecute documented cases of voter fraud and intimidation, the never ending extra-legislative "tweaks" to the ACA which are not within the POTUS's constitutional authority, the contention that the POTUS has the authority, which he has already exercised, to order the murder of a US citizen without any sort of due process - you know - just blow his ass up with a missile fired from a Predator”. . . “The Benghazi cover up.” Do your own research. The truth about the scandal is that there never was a scandal, and certainly not on the part of the Obama administration. “The IRS targeting of Conservative 531s.” Along with equal or more liberal 531’s targeted. “The refusal of the DOJ to investigate and prosecute documented cases of voter fraud.” You’ve got to be kidding. After extensive investigations over years, 47 documented cases of voter fraud. “The POTUS's constitutional authority, the contention that the POTUS has the authority, which he has already exercised, to order the murder of a US citizen without any sort of due process - you know - just blow his ass up with a missile fired from a Predator”. . . Get off the FOX teat and do legitimate research so you don’t look so foolish. The contention that the POTUS has the authority, which he has already exercised, to order the murder of a US citizen without any sort of due process - you know - just blow his ass up with a missile fired from a Predator”. Oh please, an overseas avowed enemy terrorist planning terrorists attracts on US soil? Why don’t you set up a defense fund for the enemies of America? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/22/14 at 04:19:47 NC bows to whatever the administration tells him, no mind of his own, thank goodness he's just an internet troll |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/22/14 at 04:23:38 “The Benghazi cover up.” Do your own research. The truth about the scandal is that there never was a scandal, and certainly not on the part of the Obama administration. “The IRS targeting of Conservative 531s.” Along with equal or more liberal 531’s targeted. “The refusal of the DOJ to investigate and prosecute documented cases of voter fraud.” You’ve got to be kidding. After extensive investigations over years, 47 documented cases of voter fraud. As has been said many times before, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. The items above are facts, particularly the IRS targeting of conservative organizations which you say the opposite occurred. I'd be interested to see where that info came from...... |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Paraquat on 04/22/14 at 06:17:05 Editors note: The following has not yet been independently confirmed by Intelllihub News, but we are working on it. If you are in Las Vegas and can confirm or deny this YouTuber’s video please contact us. Please check back for updates. LAS VEGAS (INTELLIHUB) — According to a video posted on YouTube by FreedomFighters2127, an unidentified law enforcement officer leaked critical information to someone known only as “J”, warning that at least 140 agents are now staging en masse throughout different hotels within the city. According to the video, “[...] there are more agents than can be counted.” In fact, an excerpt posted on 2127news.net describes the scene, pointing out how “hotels are being filled with Federal Agents, Rangers and FBI arriving in unmarked vehicles. Most of the vehicles are white, some are black. They are being parked in secure areas and are under lock and key and some are in back parking as well. So no one can nosing around. Never mind those who may be flying in. They’re obviously building up for something.” http://intellihub.com/recon-federal-agents-rangers-f-b-now-staging-hundreds-vegas-possibly-massive-armed-raid-bundy-ranch/ It ain't over 'til it's over. --Steve |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by oldNslow on 04/22/14 at 08:36:34 NC wrote: Quote:
Oh please, an overseas avowed enemy terrorist planning terrorists attracts on US soil? Why don’t you set up a defense fund for the enemies of America?[/quote] Read this: Yeah, I know this link is from fox, but I'm sure the other news outlets are covering it. No doubt you can find one more to your liking. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/21/federal-court-obama-administration-must-release-targeted-killings-memo/?intcmp=latestnews Pay particular attention to the last paragraph. The legal justification for this is not as clear cut as you seem to think it is. ie. quite possibly criminal activity on the part of the POTUS. Which is all I alleged in my previous post. The recent amendments to the NDAA allow some pretty wide latitude for the administration to decide who might be a "domestic terrorist" and allows such people to be handled like enemy combatants - regardless of whether their activities take place on foreign or American soil. It's not too far of a stretch to imagine that that power could be used against political enemies instead of legitimate threats to national security. That could someday result in a hellfire into the back window of someones SUV right here in the good old USA. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Paraquat on 04/22/14 at 09:20:18 I tried arguing this when activists were described as "Eco-terrorists". If you photographed a cow being mishandled you be labeled as such. 7C4D5E4D5D594D582C0 wrote:
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Pine on 04/23/14 at 06:44:40 737B7A646A6C090 wrote:
I do have to say North, that I am surprised at this statement. You are certainly entitled to your opinion on the war of Northern Aggression, but I have to say thats the first I ever heard it called that. As to the OP and the re-start. I siad before, I was not sure that Bundy was right, but I was dern sure the BLM was wrong in their application. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Dane Allen on 04/23/14 at 10:34:10 7870716F6167020 wrote:
Srinath!! It is you!! I knew it!! Is North Country a play on North Carolina? Did you forget your login? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by North Country on 04/23/14 at 18:29:39 “The war of southern treason.” ‘The war of northern aggression” I would say sir that attitudes change with latitude. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Pine on 04/24/14 at 10:39:44 5951504E4046230 wrote:
Indeed you are correct sir. Though, some conveyance of such attitudes are more inflammatory than they are informing. But I guess it is refreshing to see someone willing to vocalize their disdane for the southern states. Generally such ill-will is done with casualness as to be apologized for (after the fact). |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/14 at 11:20:05 Really? You guys really think that was ABOUT slavery? Lincoln himself stated that he didnt care if slavery was kept or destroyed. There were economic things being done to the south that caused them to be angry.,Im NOT fighting this fight again,, Ive been down this road at least twice. Not doin it again, I suggest people go looking for reasons other than slavery. & WHEN was the Emancipation Proclamation? IF the war was about slavery, wouldnt that have been a founding document for the war? Yet, its from Jan of 1863? War starts in 61? THINK a little// |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/24/14 at 14:02:34 thanks justin.. nobody I know up north believes the south committed treason, that opinion was just printed to upset folks on this thread. anyone who thinks the civil war was about slavery or treason hasn't a brain cell in their head. Economics and one-sided legislation was the reason southern states were not permitted to peacefully secede. Would not have such a powerful, arrogant, dysfunctional federal govt if this nation had two sets of unionized states. Competition is always good |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by North Country on 04/24/14 at 17:22:42 "no one who thinks the civil war was about slavery or treason hasn't a brain cell in their head." What else would you call a rabble uprising of slave owning people determined to destroy the United States of America?? Sometimes I wish the USA would have let the south go. 150 years later the south is still a thorn in America’s side, sucking in more Federal dollars than they pay in taxes. They are welfare states of which the northern states are unfortunately obligated to pay their way. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by pgambr on 04/24/14 at 18:08:08 Quote:
What happened to the universal bliss of socialism / progressivism? “Love thy neighbor as thy self, no I'm my brother’s keeper” (It Must Be So Tiring To Be Hateful 04/21/14 at 19:27:40)? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by North Country on 04/24/14 at 19:22:55 You tell me sir, I do not live in the south. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by pgambr on 04/24/14 at 19:53:52 Asking a question in the place of an answer without merit is merely superficial interlude. So I ask again what happened to the universal bliss of socialism / progressivism? You often speak of how appalling and “hateful” the right is because they do hot help people and are self-serving. Then make a statement that these states do not comprise enough value to be part of the Union because they receive the government benefits. Please elaborate…. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by North Country on 04/24/14 at 20:41:49 The record speaks for itself sir. I am gratified that you appreciate your government benefits. As for the bliss of socialism / progressivism, that is yours to accept or reject. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by North Country on 04/24/14 at 21:31:27 Bundy How do you like your blue-eyed boy now? Quote: “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” End quote. So this Welfare Rancher complains about any African American receiving govt. assistance???? The irony... Item: A spokesman for Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.), who had previously hailed Bundy and his supporters as "patriots," rebuked the rancher's racist remarks, saying the senator “completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.” Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who said he supported Bundy in an interview with Fox News' Greta Van Susteren earlier this week, denounced Bundy's racist remarks Thursday, Business Insider reports. "His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him," Paul said, according to a spokesman. This is the essence of many of your belief systems here on SS.com. - never forget many of their ancestors' wealth was acquired from slavery. Bundy's statement is mainly the same thing Republicans say everyday. That is why I am not moved by people like Rand Paul coming out and saying they disagree with Bundy. How many times have we heard similar statements from elected Republican leaders? A few weeks ago Paul Ryan claimed that the real problem for African-Americans was that a whole generation of black men had grown up not knowing the value of work. The idea that black people were better off as slaves has been a theme running through the Republican Party for years. In addition, a Republican at either the Tea Party Convention or the Republican National Convention claimed that white people had nothing to apologize for with regards to slavery because slavery had provided a roof over the heads of black slaves. Finally, Republicans like Ronald Reagan have been using the idea of lazy black people on the government dole to attempt to win and win elections for decades. I wonder... What would have been the response of Hannity and all the other republican gasbags if the story broke as "liberal democrat caught illegally grazing cattle on federal lands." |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/14 at 00:30:14 Youve got REAL problems with comprehension.,,You WANT to hear racism there, Youre the racist if you do,,because that man isnt a racist. Youve listened to the media, Ive LISTENED to him, for more than an hour, being interviewed. He is the most humble, gentle, kind man. & Nothing he said was racist,, |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Pine on 04/25/14 at 07:48:26 51595846484E2B0 wrote:
I am very certain you would not be willing to anything different from me. But you owe it to yourself to consider digging beyond 5th grade social studies to find the truth about that time period. The south, the war was never about "destroy the United States of America". That is utter non-sense, and you do you self a dis-service by saying such things. The war was over STATES RIGHTS. The states lost. Notice I did not say the south lost, that is self-evident, the STATES lost, all states, and the power they once had has become the property of the Federal government. To me it really is rather an interesting topic: for instance The question: Is the Constitution meant to limit the Federal Government? meaning that all powers not assigned by it are kept for the states? OR Is the Constitution a foundation, on which new powers not otherwise assigned to the states is defaulted to the Federal government. That ONE question... still unanswered by law.. was the basis for the South to see their position as legal. As to rabble: Robert E. Lee, as well as generals on both sides were anything but rabble. These were BY ALL ACCOUNTS the best of the best From the US Military Academy at West Point. It is a great loss, that so much talent (again on both sides) was wasted on such a war. Now... if you really want to read something interesting.. and I leave it to you do find such. Read what the Supreme Court wrote AFTER the Civil War as the correct LEGAL position of the Union, and for the United States of America. As to South sucking down federal dollars.. so true! Yet, you can credit that with the failed Reconstruction Era.... and the death of Abraham Lincoln. The vast bulk of southern men from the war died or left. The people running the south are all carpet baggers. That is northerners that came in with dollars to continue the pillaging. It continues to this day, (in effect) with all dollars drawn out of the south and sent up to the north east to land owners. History is written by the winner. But in time... and with digging, it is possible to find more truth than is offered to school children. It makes the time no less though, nor does it clear up a "right and wrong" side. Slavery was no more an issue to that war than Tea ( Boston tea party) was to the US revolution. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Serowbot on 04/25/14 at 08:34:59 Quote:
Bundy, is a 20 year welfare cheat, to the tune of $1.2million in free handouts he wasn't allowed... Taking an unfair advantage using your dollars... Others ranchers feed their own cattle, from their own pockets... .. and, his statement is racist... this is even acknowledged by the likes of Rand Paul, and Hannity, amongst others... |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/14 at 08:41:14 NC, use REASON,,IF Indeed the fight was about slavery, then wouldnt the Emancipation Proclamation have been at the beginning of the war? Again, youve been educated by a system with an agenda. Youve GOT to educate yourself & be ready to accept that youve been lied to over & over in order to get to the truth. Ohh,, & By the way, its a painful journey at first. Gets easier, tho.. "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." by: Abraham Lincoln Now, you still insist it was about slavery? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/25/14 at 09:08:22 It doesn't matter if Bundy is racist or not. Martin Luther King was a serial adulterer. JFK basically raped girls in the White House swimming pool. And we don't even need to talk about Bill Clinton do we? I'm pretty sure you're not going to disown what you consider to be their positive achievements are you? Bundys issues are still valid regardless of his racist point of view. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Pine on 04/25/14 at 09:26:05 1425362535312530440 wrote:
--Steve[/quote] I think this is more to the point than anything about Bundy. The BLM has decided to use functions here-to-fore used by agencies seeking to protect either high ranking government officials or the public at large, when local law enforcement was thought to be insufficient. Thus the Secret Service uses it to protect the president, or president candidates ( such as at primaries) or for large event such as the superbowl. For the BLM to use that sets a horrendous precedent. This is not a party thing... its a government thing. Use of "First Amendment Areas" in order to deny public knowledge of a government action is not good. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/14 at 10:32:58 Your point is spot on afaic, However, smearing someone as Racist is the first step toward demonizing them & stripping them of Righteous Support.. Its a LIE. He isnt racist,. Ive listened to HIM talk,, I didnt listen to what others said he said. I KNOW what he said & I am smart enough to know that even tho his words arent perfectly PC, what he SAID was in support of minorities. He has no problem with people based on where their great grandparents were born,,Imagine the stupidity required to believe that the value of a person could be determined by where their ancestors were born! Does tha man actually seem that stupid? Not to me,, & what he SAID proves it to me,, |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/25/14 at 10:41:39 now the media (media being govt spokesperson) will paint Bundy a racist, therefore a demon worthy of imprisonment (or death) remember the Waco mess? The govt painted them all as child molesters and then parked an APC over the escape hatch killing all the women & children from smoke inhalation 1st amendment area? WTF is that? doesn't sound like free press to me |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/14 at 10:50:06 Free Speech Area,, pretty much the most Anti-American idea Ive seen.. Anyone who supports such I see as someone who has burned their citizenship card & gone to the side of tyrants, |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Paraquat on 04/25/14 at 11:13:31 http://theblacksphere.net/2014/4/black-marine-clive-bundy-no-racist --Steve |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/14 at 13:30:23 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152049979831850&set=pb.724441849.-2207520000.1398454326.&type=3&theater In case that one didnt get past the taught inability to grasp the meaning of what the man said. I sure hope the brainwashed learn to read & think for themselves instead of just accepting what theyre told. Ohh,, & I Told ya so,,, Please dont go away NC, I dont want any of the left to leave. We cant help you guys peel the wool off your eyes if ya leave. Its a LOT harder to pull the wool off of peoples eyes than to pull it over their eyes. Once people believe something they tend to want to defend their beliefs even when theyve been laid bare & the lies exposed, because they dont want to admit theyve been conned.,. Looked up Margaret Sanger yet? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Serowbot on 04/26/14 at 18:03:12 :-?... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evQrVzVlGpg[/media] |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/14 at 01:08:50 Maher? AS If that jerk cares about the truth,, I wont even look till I have an idea why .. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/27/14 at 06:32:12 How many times have we heard similar statements from elected Republican leaders? A few weeks ago Paul Ryan claimed that the real problem for African-Americans was that a whole generation of black men had grown up not knowing the value of work. The idea that black people were better off as slaves has been a theme running through the Republican Party for years. In addition, a Republican at either the Tea Party Convention or the Republican National Convention claimed that white people had nothing to apologize for with regards to slavery because slavery had provided a roof over the heads of black slaves. Finally, Republicans like Ronald Reagan have been using the idea of lazy black people on the government dole to attempt to win and win elections for decades. I realize it's no surprise that this garbage coming out of "Ms. North County"'s mouth is all lies, but it's staggering the brainwashing the liberal media and entertainment culture has done to Americans. Whomever the Republicans put up for President in 2016 will be called a racist in one fashion or another...... watch for it and you'll see it everywhere, but if you to examine it closely, you'll find no greater % of racist on the conservative side as you would on the liberal side; with the help of their liberal allies, they just hide it better. Along those lines, listen to the recording of the LA Clippers owner.... what a moron... How a guy could make that much money and be that stupid should give anyone who wants to move ahead hope they can. He simply worked harder to get ahead a little, saved his money, got into real estate and over the years, made millions. He clearly things of people as property.... he's going to die a very 'poor' man.... Classic case of someone thing money is the be all to end all. It aint. I've been dirt poor and I've been not poor, it's better to be not poor, but it doesn't change who you are. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by verslagen1 on 04/27/14 at 09:44:57 526067767160774864776E050 wrote:
and a big demo contributer |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/14 at 10:05:47 I have a real hard time believing a guy who owns a team would say anything like that,,Ive also heard there was a BIG tiff between him & her & she vowed some serious Get Even. Now, is that just a cover story to set the stage for declaring the recording a fraud? I am also left asking myself,, "REally? She just Happened to be recording when he said that?,, Hmmm,," The only way I can think of to prove or disprove is to actually analyze the voice electronically & compare to his. Now, can he, being a man of means, PAY someone to "analyze" the recording? IF it proves he is what it seems he is, then Ill agree the tests were done right. If the tests say "Not his voice", tho I doubt it is his voice some anyway, there will always be that little nagging feeling, questioning the tests. The only other way Id know is to know the guy personally & see him in action around others. Id know if he was really a hateful racist,, which is fine, if thats who he is,, we just wont be hangin out,, |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by verslagen1 on 04/27/14 at 10:09:36 oh btw, unless he knew he was being recorded... she's committed a federal offense. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/27/14 at 10:44:06 7A697E7F606D6B69623D0C0 wrote:
and a big demo contributer[/quote] That's one of the things I checked for. I think the only two recorded donations were to Dems but I wouldn't call him a big donor. More of that info will come out.....just don't look for it on MSNBC or as Rush calls it, PMSNBC! |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/27/14 at 10:47:13 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
I don't doubt it's him and I don't doubt she broke the law recording it, but that horse has left the barn and you can't put it back. His public life is over and it should be. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/14 at 11:01:43 Well,, Im not a hater of those who have engaged in a thot crime,, not so that I believe there should be any official sanctions against him,, I would allow the free market to deal with him,, I would expect attendance & support for the team to drop off,, I personally dont hang out with racists, & I mean that in the broadest sense of the word,, I wouldnt hang out with a staunch supporter of affirmative action., Thats racist,, |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by oldNslow on 04/27/14 at 11:57:40 Bundy? Bundy? Who the h*ll is Bundy? Oh yeah, that guy... 'Bout Tuesday or Wednesday some other dumb-ass is going to mysteriously get recorded saying something racist or offensive or just stupid and then the press will be all over him. For about a week. Till the next totally meaningless controversy can be ginned up. And then they'll run with that one for a while. Meanwhile completely ignoring anything anywhere in the world that might possibly be important. I think a little perspective is in order here. The old fart got overheard arguing with his girl friend - who's about a hundred years younger than he is. He'll buy her a new BMW and she'll STFU. And in a couple of days so will everyone else except the folks who have a vested interest in keeping the racial animosity crap churning along for their own benefit. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/14 at 12:26:19 An Ass Toot osbervation.. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/29/14 at 12:48:42 hey.. I gotta say I don't give a rat's butt .. whatever... I'm sick and tired of hearing who said what about anybody.. I mean anybody ok? since when did we get so thin skinned? I'm Italian and learned as a child people will say sh.. and you gotta let it bounce off. is this a Nation or a soap opera? The mainstream news media has become a high school rumor-mill |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/29/14 at 13:38:47 36242B362A2B2022450 wrote:
This is a bit more than that. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by shorty on 04/30/14 at 09:42:38 well it looks like another "politically correct" issue, this one just involves race.. What am I missing gents? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Pine on 04/30/14 at 14:33:22 21333C213D3C3735520 wrote:
I made a post but deleted it... I had only heard a tidbit of what he is suppose to have said. But then I went out and found what I have to assume is more of the text. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-sterling-naacp-drops-plans-to-award-la-clippers-owner/ So he is a grade-A jerk, and may be racist..though I can't really be sure since he is OK with his girlfriend to sleep with black men.. just don't bring them to the game. So thats kinda outside my social norm anyway. Race aside.. I am a monogamous kinda guy. Thats all a little too LA for me. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by WebsterMark on 04/30/14 at 15:17:32 This is way past politically incorrect or an over reaction by overly sensitive crybabies. The league can fine him all they want but the free market ended his "ownership" as soon as the news broke. However, what's fair got the goose is fair for the gander: given the racist thongs Spike Lee has said about. "Whitey"' the NBA should likewise stop embracing him. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by oldNslow on 04/30/14 at 16:29:26 Quote:
3/4 of the other team owners have to agree in order to force him to sell. Pretty much everyone who knows how the owners association operates expects that to happen. Somebody's still got to pay him for the team though. He bought it for 12.5 million back in nineteen eighty something. Estimates of what it's going to cost to buy the team today run from 600 million to a billion. I doubt if he's feeling a h*ll of a lot of pain. |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by pgambr on 04/30/14 at 19:16:10 Quote:
Los Angeles or Lower Alabama ? :-? |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by Pine on 05/01/14 at 11:26:50 3126202C2333410 wrote:
Los Angeles of course.... only love for Mobile and tossed rolls |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by pgambr on 05/01/14 at 17:58:22 Yeah, I know it. Mobile is a good town. ;) |
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Title: Re: New Bundy thread... Post by RatdogWillie on 05/07/14 at 10:09:23 So you’re a terrorist- Now What? Whether you agree with the Bundy Ranch protest is of little relevance. Your government believes YOU are the terrorists. This came, unapologetically, straight from their mouths. http://www1.gcnlive.com/CMS/index.php/component/k2/484-lotfi-so-you-re-a-terrorist-now-what |
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