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Title: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/26/14 at 06:06:16 Folks have been PMing me when we were going to start the ball rolling on the tutorials, etc. Answer IS: First we gots to have us a rolley ball to go roll with .... Here is the release details for the Linux Mint Mate 17 as just put out by the distro folks. Linux Mint 17 LTS will be named “Qiana” and should be available at the end of May 2014. Qiana is pronounced kee-AHN-ah. It was the name of a fashion silk-like material, introduced in the 1970s and popular in the disco-era, when it was made into loud, shiny shirts with pointy collars. The feminine name is of American origin, and its meaning is “silky”. Mint folks start out with the full released version of Ubuntu, which lands late in April, then they rework it with all the Minty pieces so it works flawlessly well. This takes time, especially if the Ubuntu has any remaining bugs in it. (Mint LTS will NOT be released with a known bug in it). This work isn't completely serial in time, the beta versions of both distros have been in the hands of the bug boys for over a month now so work is happening as we speak. The fact they are taking the full month in the schedule indicates that they think it will be required to get the job done correctly. So, we will begin when the main release is put into the mirrors sometimes in May. ====================== If you can't do these prep things using Windows, speak up now so we can help you get them out of the way before May rolls around. ASK IF YOU GET STUCK ON A STEP -- not asking and staying stuck is the only crime here. ====================== Good news, the installer has been improved and does all this for you now http://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/english_15.0.pdf is a very good source for the entire installation enchalada, and now I don't have to go write one myself. Yay !!! Go Mint guys !!! The installer now does not require any of the stuff you used to have to do in Windows so it got A LOT EASIER for people to do. I will go up to the top of the thread and remove all the instruction stuff and replace it with this. List of Steps 1. Learn how to defragment your hard drive. http://helpdesk.its.uiowa.edu/windows/instructions/defrag.htm Do the defragmentation to drive C: 2. Learn how to turn off all the screensavers time-outs on your Windows machine. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-xp/help/setup/set-up-screen-saver You want the screen saver at OFF, or NONE or the very highest 99999 hour limit on all of its features. Turn off your Screensaver time-outs. 3. Learn how to turn off all the energy saver time-outs on your Windows machine. http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=power_mgt.pr_power_mgt_manual_act_winXP You want the energy saver at OFF, or NONE or the very highest 99999 hour limit on all of its features. Turn off your power management time-outs. How to know you got it right --- your machine never shuts off now unless you turn it off yourself. Verify this by leaving your machine on overnight. It should be sitting there, unchanged, in the morning. If not, you missed a setting. 4. Download and install this Windows program. http://www.partition-tool.com/easeus-partition-manager/help/resizing-and-moving-partition.htm You will use it to shrink your main drive C: partition by 20 gigabytes. By this stage you should KNOW how much free space you have on drive C: and you should know if you have 20 gigs available or not. YOU SHOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO GET USED TO THE LAYOUT OF THIS EASEUS PROGRAM AND YOU SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO GET USED TO THE TUTORIALS THAT EASEUS PROVIDES. http://www.partition-tool.com/easeus-partition-manager/help/resizing-and-moving-partition.htm Your goal is to use EASEUS to see what your drive C: partition REALLY looks like and to shrink it (resize it) by 20 gigs, leaving 20 gigs as "unallocated space" in your system. When you get to the shrink part itself, be aware it can take hours and hours sometimes to complete the shrink step. You minimized this wait by defragging the drive, but it will still take some time. The program attempts to tell you it is working on it, all is well and to leave it alone -- but it is up to you to keep your fingers OFF the keyboard and OFF the mouse until the shrink job is done. Getting ansy and fiddling with it or rebooting the machine because YOU THINK it is stuck is what actually kills most hard drives during partition type work -- so tell it to shrink the drive, see that it is working and GO TO BED. Leave the machine totally alone for like 6 hours ..... Once you get your 20 gigs of unallocated space on your hard drive, you are done with the Windows portion of things and you can turn your screen saver and energy saver back on again. How to know you got it right --- Systems Tools in XP shows that drive C: is 20 gigs smaller than it was before. Next step is to download the Mint, and we have to wait until May for that. During the Mint install Mint will find the 20 gigs of unallocated space and "suggest" it to you as where it can be put. Good news, the installer has been improved and does all this for you now |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by verslagen1 on 03/26/14 at 07:13:12 are we there yet? ;D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/26/14 at 16:34:54 No, we are not there yet. Still getting the folks situated on the bus, getting ready to leave actually. Are you coming on the trip with us, or are you just waving at at the group as we pull out of the bus station? ::) Really, I do understand the plight of the folks who don't know their computer much at all, have never worked on the internals nor have really done anything much other than just use it. It's like working on the carb on your Savage for the first time, or adjusting the valves. Some folks simply can't do that ..... I'm reminded of Bill, who used to go buy a new motorcycle whenever it got complicated (time to do maintenance on the valve adjustments, etc). We got a lot of people who are like that about computers. If you find yourself wishing for an inexpensive way to not have to do it at all, do a Serowbot and just run it until it dies. Then go buy a Chromebox for $179 when that time finally comes. Linux really isn't very hard, but for folks who have avoided XP's internals for 10 long years even "not very hard" is likely going to be a bridge too far for them. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by verslagen1 on 03/26/14 at 19:15:06 I got several dinosaurs to play with... are we there yet? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Steve H on 03/26/14 at 19:30:42 I booted up Mate 16 the other night. Everything worked fine except I couldn't get my normal video resolution. I usually run 1920x1080 with millions of colors. It would only give me 13xx x 1024 and it looked like maybe 256 colors. I can't deal with that. It gave me no option to change color depth. I had several resolution settings but the 13xx x 1024 was the highest. Built-in intel graphics so I know there's been plenty of work on the drivers. Video playback was dropping frames and choppy/jerky. Plays fine under Win on the same system. I didn't install...just ran off the live DVD. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/26/14 at 19:54:06 Did you go look for the specific graphics driver for the specific INTEL GMA on-board chipset that you have? Which one is it? An Intel GMA 4400? There is a Linux open source "generic driver" for Intel, and there is a Intel driver for their own specific chipsets for Linux. Guess which one loads when you are running off the DVD .... and it looks like it auto-detected your monitor as super VGA but it might have gotten that idea off the general XP OS defaults, instead of your monitor's real capacity. Generally speaking, the specific Linux driver put out by the chipset manufacturer does the very best job. But you will need to find it, generally by asking the Mint folks in the right forum question area. If you are running a higher than normal resolution specialty monitor that came with its own drivers (that were Plug 'N Play installed when you put the monitor on the CPU box) then look for the specialty drivers for that brand of monitor in Linux. Once again, questions posted in the correct Mint forum area. Don't be bummed if they tell you to go ask the Ubuntu people. Remember Mint is re-skinned, tuned Ubuntu and some things really need the people that wrote the video section of that particular version to answer the questions about what to do to get where you want to go. I got an odd situation using my new video card, when I go over to Steam and install a new game it recognizes the very highest level the new card can do -- which exceeds what my old crappy monitor can really do by a lot -- go figure. The monitor tries, and it does display, but just slow as shite. So I turn the games down to super VGA (monitor natural pixel resolution & speed) and the game goes super fast and looks great. ;) (my great probably simply isn't as nice as your great that you are used to) If gaming is what is driving your need for maximum graphics, understand that Steam boots their own proprietary Intel Graphics drivers when you start Steam up. That is one of the things that makes Steam on Linux such a winner, they finally got all the video guys to cooperate with them. And some of those drivers are restricted specialty items, just for Steam. This doesn't bother me, I get them when I need them (when the game starts). Now if I just had a better monitor .... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/27/14 at 12:27:45 Now, I know this doesn't help with Intel drivers, but when you go looking you keep hearing about people using Envy to load the custom video drivers. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/installing-proprietary-video-drivers-for-ubuntu/ Envy is a script written by a command line expert that goes and gets the most modern AMD/ATI and NVIDIA drivers and loads them on to your system. Being Ubuntu, it works with Mint supposedly. Mint claims to already have loaded all the most modern drivers, but that is always a thing in motion, so your mileage may vary according to what is fresh and what is new and what is really already there. ====================== For Intel, try these. They will likely get updated when the new 14.04 versions go out. This tool is written and maintained by Intel themselves. http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/how-to-use-intel-linux-graphics-drivers.html Reading this you note some work arounds to get the tool to work correctly so you will probably need to wait until Intel upgrades their tool again to make it handle multiple versions of Ubuntu, or else come out with a tool specifically for Ubuntu LTS 14.04. ====================== Here is what is coming in LTS 14.04 --- looks like your monitor will be covered by the natural Mint drivers now. For instance, there’s now TRIM support for Intel and Samsung solid state disks which helps extend the useful life of those SSDs, improved support for NVIDIA Optimus graphics-switching technology, and updates to the Unity user interface, better support for high-resolution displays, and many other items of an up-to-date nature. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Dane Allen on 03/28/14 at 16:50:00 Using Mint 16 Mate Petra daily, took a few days to get the printer to work but all is well. Not too excited to go to 17 as I just got 16 fully functioning and I have a policy against trying to fix non-broken things ;) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/28/14 at 19:43:55 Good policy. Mint 16 will continue to work long after it is unsupported because the basic programming in it and the overall structure is soooo durn good in Linux. Mint 16 is supported with updates & bug fixes until this upcoming July ...... Mint 16 is a 6 month interim version (or beta version if you prefer that terminology) So me, I would wait until you find a reason to switch, then only go to the LTS versions. And only upgrade to an LTS version. 5 years of stable support with Mint 17 is 10 times more support time than you are going to get with Mint 16. (and now you know why I only go from one 5 year LTS to the next one -- having your stuff supported for only 6 months is plumb crazy to me) Some distros are more honest and only call the LTS versions the "stable release versions" and they call the little stutter burps in between the bug fix or beta releases. But Ubuntu and Mint aren't that blunt about it as they really do cover a lot of changes with those stutter burps. Better Steam support and more monitor resolution increases and better video drivers for AMD/ATI are why I am going to update to Mint 17. Then I may or may not update to the next LTS after 3 years or I may hang until 6 years is up (which is what I did this time, so yeah I have been running unsupported for a year now and didn't even really notice it for much). Linux is so trouble free and stable compared to Windows you can get away with stuff like that. ==================== It's coming ..... you will need to use XP for something and you will boot into it and you will get all these URGENT notifications and crap about all your Anti-virus and Flash and Java and Adobe Reader and this and that that are all horribly out of date and needing to be updated RIGHT NOW. Your browser will tell you it needs to be updated too, sometimes twice, three times in a row no less. It will take you an hour to download and install all the RIGHT NOW crap and it will take 4 reboots and a defrag to get around to what you were intending to do. THEN you will finally realize that Linux really is better than Windows ever was and Windows is and always has been just plain bug ridden junk to deal with. And you PAID BIG BUCKS to Microsoft for this ongoing privilege, to do all this constant week in and week out work just to keep their stuff running sorta kinda right ..... ::) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/28/14 at 20:24:52 Printers, HP printers are supported by and large, even the strange all in one thingies like I had bought for myself for $29 on close out 10 years ago. VERY VERY MODERN printers are actually sometimes tougher than old ones, and the more you get away from the HP inkjets the tougher it gets as well. HP has declared they will driver support all their printers for Linux going forward, and they did take a break a year ago and programmed up a printer driver EACH & ALL THEIR OLD HP PRINTERS. As Linux becomes more and more popular, expect that all other printer makers will do the same thing, right their on their install disks no less. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by verslagen1 on 03/29/14 at 13:18:38 At the flip of a coin I post this here instead of the humor thread... https://www.yahoo.com/tech/still-on-windows-xp-heres-some-bad-advice-80911845810.html |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/29/14 at 14:26:44 At least that article writer showed that he had some knowledge behind his opinions. Win 7 won't run all that well on early XP machines, only on the later generation machines (the ones right before Win 7 came out). Linux will run fine on all the generations of XP machines. If you dual boot, you get to keep your XP functionality for when you need it, but I wouldn't be going on line with an unsupported, unbugfixable XP machine when every psycho out there is saving up all his nasties planning on dropping all them land mines right into your path. Before going out there in them on line minefields, put on "the last suit you will ever need" to quote 'ol Tommy Lee Jones. It ain't a black suit like Tommy Lee's, it is a heavy duty red suit and it doesn't have anything at all to do with Santy Claus neither. IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED when something wormy green & warty wants to eat your face off while you are out there on the web. "Geeks rule", sez Tony Stark. "Microsoft just wants your money and they will kill your PC to get it". http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115760/3225236-1482553358-32122.jpg To protect an XP class machine in the months to come, wear your real heavy duty Linux Malware Buster armor while you are out there zipping around on the web. You may well step in it on occasion, and it may go bang and blow a big 'ol crater at your feet, but it can't hurt you because it simply can't REACH you. Save what's left of your XP installation's life span for doing the things you can only do on XP. Games (off-line preferably) and getting to all your old Word and Excel files, your picture albums, films, all the stuff that you would really really miss if it is gone etc. etc. etc. Put some armor around your old PC, dual boot the suit. PS, guess what happens next -- Vista dies, closely followed by Win 7. This whole kill off the old stuff thing MS is doing isn't over yet by a long shot. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 03/29/14 at 23:46:01 I barely know how to use XP I scared |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/14 at 01:16:08 Art, you have an XP PC that you have had for multiple years. Believe it or not, most folks running an XP machine did so because there WASN"T anything else available at the time, 'cept a Mac and it cost too much to even be a consideration. They bought a powerful independent processor based computing machine with a lot of horsepower to do ---- practically nothing, really. Most folks held down a PC and didn't do anything more than type occasionally on a word processor, fill in a spreadsheet or two and maybe play a game or two. Going on line every day was most of the task load handed to a $2,000 PC to do. So, look around now -- a $80 tablet can do all of that very easily except for the typing part. A $179 chrome box can certainly do all of it, including the typing. And so can your old hardware actually because THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR ACTUAL HARDWARE A NEW OS WOULDN'T FIX VERY HANDILY. Can you stick a DVD in the DVD drive and reboot your machine and make a dozen clicks with a mouse? That will set you up a dual boot machine if the new installer on Mint is as good as they say it is. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by oldNslow on 03/30/14 at 06:06:15 Oldfeller wrote: Quote:
It is. At least the one on the Mint Mate 16 DVD that I used is. This will walk someone through the whole process: http://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/english_15.0.pdf Quick question. When the April 8 day of doom rolls around can I just uninstall IE and Chrome from the XP side of my computer and be assured that it is then just a stand alone ? Seems so, but I'm not savvy enough to know if there is still a way for stuff to sneak in. It's still going to be connected to my cable modem and the wireless router that the other gadgets in the house use - Kindle, wife's laptop and and tablet (win 7 and Android) and the kids smartphones when they are over. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 03/30/14 at 10:17:57 1F3C3436353C3C3522500 wrote:
I actually bought mine as a refurb, it's a Dell Dimension 8300, and aside from spreadsheets, web is most of what I do with it I have considered a chromebook, or even a tablet (I would want one with a real keybord) I use my computer for hours per day though, sometimes surfing all day long, so unless the tablet can be run literaly all day battery life would be a problem I am thinking about Linux, but it won't be out for a month after XP loses support, unless I do 16, and learning a new OS will be a bit problematic, though my phone is an android, so I guess I'm using linux a bit already what about transfering my passwords, etc from XP to Linux? I honestly don't remember my password for every forum I'm on ;D to be honest if my phone had a keyboard an a big enough screen I's just us it and dissconnect my PC from the interwebs |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 03/30/14 at 10:48:37 If you are set on changing, go with the mint 16, its already to go and you can do the dual boot and learn Linux before 17 comes out. Heck I went with mint 15 and am having fun with it. But if I were you I would get all my passwords from you favorite sites (redo them if you have to) and put them in a file named something you will remember (cookie recipes or something silly) and save it on the laptop or thumbdrive . You will create a new login name and password for your mint. Really its easy peasy, I put in the thumb drive I copied it to and used my windows to open it and it installed from there on its own. Selected the dual boot / partition and off it went. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 03/30/14 at 11:30:29 Oldfeller you said an $80 Tablet could probably do what I want, browsing wise I am very unsavvy tech wise, can they be run on wired internet? will they run multiple tabs? I could do all my browsing from a smaller machine and keep the XP for the bit of offline stuff I do I see one $80 tablet at walmarts's website, though it's only 7 inch screen http://www.walmart.com/ip/Proscan-7-Tablet-8GB-Memory-with-Bonus-Keyboard-Case/29017591 does have a keybord for when I want one then I could lay in bed and browse, instead of sitting at a dest ;D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Steve H on 03/30/14 at 11:43:28 I've not seen a tablet with wired network yet. I am sure there is one out there somewhere but I haven't seen one or an advert for one. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 03/30/14 at 11:58:49 There are smaller "e machines" that will hard wire to the net, but almost all tablets are "wireless", you would have to buy a router to add to your modem... not hard really most are plug and play, and fairly inexpensive (below $100). That way you could run everything, phones, tablets ect...... I have the older kindle fire and it works great when out and about, but not like a true laptop (no mouse, keypad ect) and I switch between windows (no tabs). |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/14 at 13:46:50 40535556444343210 wrote:
Modern stuff, you lay in bed and talk to it to write something. I have done this lots of times, watched movies and TV in bed too. If you still sleep with your wife, she won't appreciate the talking or the TV and any other stuff though -- she doesn't even like me reading in bed because I will laugh at stuff sometimes. I don't think any mobile anything has a Cat5 jack on it -- it is all wireless Wifi, LTE radio and short range bluetooth nowadays. You can't buy a printer that won't do wifi printing from a mobile device any more. My Samsung Galaxy III phone has totally done spoilt me for all old style devices any more --- it literally does everything and the little 5" screen is clear enough to watch a movie in bed (it is up close to your face after all). |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/14 at 15:05:34 http://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/english_15.0.pdf is a very good source for the entire installation enchalada, and now I don't have to go write one myself. Yay !!! Go Mint guys !!! The installer now does not require any of the stuff you used to have to do in Windows so it got A LOT EASIER for people to do. I will go up thread and remove all the instruction stuff and replace it with this. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/14 at 15:23:40 6B5554584A5657390 wrote:
Having had XP die on a dual boot machine, I can tell you exactly what can happen. You will boot up XP to go do something and you will be going about doing it on line and suddenly everything will act strange, mine grew a few extra lines on the browser for a Yahoo ad bar and changed my default browser and all my click icons suddenly led to strange places now. A standard reboot to XP failed, repeatedly. A reboot to XP's Safe Mode damage control module worked, but all the bars and icons were still messed up. I tried to go to System Restore, but found I suddenly didn't have any restore points, they were all wiped and System Restore was deactivated as were all my anti-virus programs. Not even Malwarebytes would run. So, I rebooted to Mint and did some investigation and found that there was a fix and I tried to do it, but my boot sector on my Windows drive C: hard drive showed that it had been damaged as well. So I just continued to use Linux for months and months -- next time it came time to upgrade LTS versions I just gave it the whole hard drive. Odd thing, Linux never did report anything bad about the boot sector at all, I think the worm was mebbe just lying to XP's detection programs. Or else Linux just does the whole thing so much differently that the damaged areas were just marked as bad and the Linux format tool just went on past the scrambled sectors of the hard drive. Who knows? The evil thing blew my Windows completely out of the water and even killed the Windows drive C: but it didn't even scratch the paint on my red Linux suit. What will happen to you will likely be similar. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by oldNslow on 03/30/14 at 17:53:28 oldfeller wrote: Quote:
But if there is no browser running - or even still installed - on the XP side of the machine can something like this still happen.? Just because the computer is still physically connected to a modem ? I don't intend to use XP except to run a few programs that are already installed on that part of the machine; no internet running. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/14 at 19:00:03 No browser installed, not going on the web -- then yes, your XP will last much longer. Your only sources of infection then are locally installed media and the infamous around the elbow attack. How fancy can an around the elbow attack be? Very fancy -- here is just one example. There was once a D-Link router that ran on Linux that wasn't locked down as far as where it could go in your machine. Some clever boy out there was participating in attempts to turn a common D-Link router into a linux PC box (and yes, you can do this) and he though, "Why don't I use what I now know to stick a root kit into the wide open Windows drive C: boot partition from the router's open accesses and permissions to the entire machine". And he did. Mind you, he couldn't play with the Linux partitions as they were all locked down in the kernel, but he could side door into Windows Drive C: while the PC wasn't even technically "on" or if it was "on" not technically doing anything. The router is always on and always connected to the PC and at that time all of its resources. The actual computing was taking place in the router itself (all routers are little computers BTW). His exploit got plugged by Linux, and by D-Link and by Windows very very shortly. Also, if you ever agree to go to a site or agree to download ANYTHING no matter how innocent (say a free software tool or a game) then don't be surprised if other things can sometimes come along for the ride. Clam AV (the free Linux anti-viral) simply says that you need to have it running on your freestanding Linux machine "to protect all the Windows machines that you may eventually touch or share a file with". Linux can't be harmed by much, this is true, but Windows is a notoriously easy target to get to from the Linux side. So, using Linux to get at the Windows machine is a well known pathway. Sandboxing (as used by Chrome boxes and books) is another trick to keep contamination from going from Sandbox A to Sandbox B to Windows drive C: Chrome OS keeps all activities separate by running a separate complete small fast little red Chrome guy in each locked down separated sandbox. Here they are, see how each little red Chrome guy is standing in his own separate little private sandbox waiting for something to clobber upon. http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/874197151_1/New-IRON-MAN-MARK-III-13cm-PVC-Action-Figure-New-In-Box-Free-shipping.jpg Chrome OS works like that, very secure and virus proof as if one little Chrome guy gets tricked and overcome by something nasty out there on the web then the other little Chrome guys are not affected by it at all. That one sandbox gets closed and scrubbed, the rest stay open and healthy. Each tab (or open web page) is in its own separate little world. The overall OS schedules a powerwash (OS full chksum reload) at the very next boot if there is an incident seen in any sandbox. And since Chrome OS is so small and light, this only takes 20-30 seconds to do. Chrome OS has a very rigorous design and enough layers of backup protection that not much is every going to make it through the layers. And some of these layers of protection are in and actually part of the Google Server Farm structure that does a lot of the heavy lifting in Chrome OS's world. ;) You might fool a little red Chrome Guy, but can you fool Google's huge constantly updated Server that your program filters through? Nope, didn't think so. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by oldNslow on 03/30/14 at 19:35:49 Quote:
Wow ! I had no idea that was even possible. So anyone running a dual boot machine should install Clam AV, stay off line on the windows side, and hope for the best ! Correct? I'm actually kind of curious to see how long it takes until TEOTWAWKI - speaking in computer trems of course >:( |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/14 at 19:47:25 Clam AV's purpose for being isn't limited to dual boot machines -- any Linux machine (free standing or dual boot) can pass on an infected file or program to somebody else who down the road may eventually touch a Windows machine on further down the road a bit. Clam AV runs in the background, you never have to do anything to it once you tell the software manager to install it and all it does is flag out files (data or .exe) that are infected with any known malware agent. Since I put Clam on my earlier box it only flagged out one bad file once when I plugged one of my wife's college professor flash drives into my Linux box's USB port to back up the files. Some student had caught something from somewhere and was passing it back to my wife stuck on to a turned in report. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/30/14 at 20:06:13 This is just an aside, just read it and chuckle ...... I predicted it was only a matter of time before MS got caught stealing FOSS code and was forced to turn over a chunk of associated MS work to be free FOSS material from now on. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Admits-Stealing-from-Open-Source-when-Building-Windows-Server-2008-79922.shtml http://winsupersite.com/blog/supersite-blog-39/news2/rafael-is-vindicated-microsoft-did-steal-open-source-code-for-usbdvd-tool-138957 These are two separate instances where MS was forced to choke over all the associated code that had FOSS code worked into with all of it becoming free open source code from now on. ;) Apple is shitting bricks at the moment because a very very old minor flaw was discovered in a basic Linux gut deep OS in/out part of the basic OS kernel programming -- and the same exact flaw (line by line) has been found in all the modern Apple OS products ...... this flaw is not present in the Berkley BSD products (where Apple says they got it) but it is present in the FOSS licensed Linux-es of before and during that same time period. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 03/30/14 at 22:42:33 hmmm so if I go with a tablet I'll need wifi not real happy about that my smartphone is an LG=L38c with I think a 3.5" screen, I could be happy watching vids and movies on it, but not going to forums or chat rooms, where I'm not sure how big a screen I'd need to be happy (my PC monitor is standard size I think, 14.5" diaganol if my phone was big enough to do my forums, etc, I'd simply turn off my standard internet and do it all mobileweb so if modern devices you talk to, does that work like the dragon thing, where I could talk and the device would type? don't think my phone will do that |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 03/31/14 at 00:06:11 that guide still makes me dizzy, but it looks like there are way fewer steps now than I thought |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/31/14 at 01:30:09 The best talkie phones are made by Samsung and Apple right now. I run a Samsung Galaxy III bought cheap two years after it first came out. It is the very least of what you can buy for a talkie phone right now (or you could say I bought the new state of the art as it developed, two years after the fact, cheap). Sounds like you have talked yourself into a monitor keyboard mouse rig as your best solution. This leaves a choice between dual booting Mint Mate Linux for $6 bucks and going with a $179 Chrome box. Least costly first attempt would be dual booting. You have read the book, so you know the steps. It actually is very easy once you have the DVD in your hand. The install copy on your machine after you cold boot the machine actually walks you through the steps one by one. You can buy them from OSdisk.com for $6 (plus shipping) if you don't understand burning an ISO. What processor do you have 32 bit or 64 bit? If you don't want to burn your own DVD, go here and just pick what you want. https://www.osdisc.com/products/linux/linuxmint/linux-mint-16-mate-install-live-dvd-64bit-pc.html for 64 bit machines https://www.osdisc.com/products/linux/linuxmint/linux-mint-16-mate-install-live-dvd-pc.html for 32 bit machines I also understand you feel the need to get it done before April 8th. So, go head and pick the low dollar $6 route and give it a whirl. If it doesn't work out to suit you, you can order an Asus Chromebox later on when they get into a more ready supply situation instead of being totally sold out and way way backordered like they are right now. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 03/31/14 at 12:30:58 my current PC, or I guess more accurately, my current OS, is already compromised with at least a spambot, if not worse, so I've been contemplating a change for a while local PC repair dude wants almost as much to debug it as a reforbed, more modern model would cost how do I know if I'm 32 or 64 bit? Remember I'm the comp equivelant of a guy who can't change his own oil ;D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 03/31/14 at 13:30:35 Art,.. 100% chance you are 32 bit... ... but,.. right-click on My Computer, select properties... if it don't say 64 bit on the general info page, you are 32bit. http://www.techpraveen.com/2010/01/how-to-check-whether-windows-xp.html http://www.techpraveen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/How-to-check-whether-windows-XP-installed-on-your-PC-system-is-a-32-bit-or-64-bit-version-x86-or-x64-Mycomputer.png |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/31/14 at 15:10:44 The only problem with asking the Windows XP system is a low end trick which was done a lot by vendors, which was loading a cheaper 32 bit system on a 64 bit chipset machine. They would boast it was a 64 bit processor to get you to buy it, then not say they'd gone dirty cheap on the MS OS. Or else they would claim they were avoiding "comparability issues". And really, there were some back with Intel CPUs back before Core 2 Duo. Somewhere on that box is is going to say what brand model and type of machine you have, armed with that you can find out what Intel or AMD chipset was actually used to make it. Either look it up yourself or tell us the brand, model # and type data off the box. And Serowbot is right in what he says, choosing 32 bit is fail safe, but if you have an AMD Athlon 64 you might as well use the 64 bit drivers. Intel is a little fuzzier, because Intel wasn't leading the pack back then, AMD was. Intel Pentiums, you got a good many that were 32 bit and very a few later Pentiums that were really were functional 64 bit chipsets. Intel when Core 2 Duo shortly thereafter and they really were all 64 bit chipsets from the get go. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/31/14 at 15:54:06 The XP lover's DEATH RAP song Ol buddy Serowbot, what 'cha gonna do? What 'cha gonna do when they've come for you ???? Little wormy squirmy uglies, what 'cha gonna do? What 'cha gonna do when they've come for you ???? When the machine won't boot and the screen's all blue? What 'cha gonna do when they've done come for you ???? Your buddies' heavy duty armor, it sure looks great .... You wish you really had some, but now it's too durn late ..... Hey there, Serowbot -- what 'cha gonna do? What 'cha gonna do when they've come for you ???? Wormies in your flash drives, wormies in your bed .... Sometimes it seems ya got wormies in your head ..... You cry out now for red armor sanity, but you didn't go get you any ..... to keep out all them nasty little wormies that knocked you on your fanny. Got you 8 days left and UPS only takes four ..... If you get your order in and procrastinate no more !! Oh Serowbot, what 'cha gonna do? What 'cha gonna do? It's too durn late when they've already come for you !!! BTW, installation time and the plain easiness of the install program have GREATLY improved since the last time you actually put the suit on .... Click below to review progression of the "easy automatic install" and the greatly lowered install time & reduced operator trouble factors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOw_UdL7O-0&list=PLd_l3RnNf8-FdVQ2G0V53mCQ0PXjKXyyH&index=2 |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 03/31/14 at 16:20:07 Mine say microsoft windows XP professional version 2002 service pack 3 my name (or maybe that's my comp's name? I assume my serial # Intel (R) pentium (R) 4 2.60ghz 2.59 GHz, 512MB RAM so pretty certain it's 32 bit the PC itself is, as I said, a dinosaur of a Dell Dimension 8300 so I get the disk by download or purchase, instal, and it'll do all the steps for me, compresimg XP, finding it's own space, partitionong, and all? somehow I think I'm missing something, I tried to read the manual posted, but once my eyes started crossing, I went for a ride instead :P some od the terminology I never even heard before |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/31/14 at 16:30:31 Yep, you are square in the nebulous zone, when Intel wasn't true 64 bit yet and the machine's bios certainly wasn't. Get the 32 bit disk, stick it in, reboot the machine, answer the questions Tony Stark can do it falling off a building in less than 7 seconds .... Old-rider says it works great and he's just used it himself. I don't argue with progress, I had to bolt on my own faceplate the last time I did it from a fresh start. But it got faster and and a lot easier .... Yep there has been lots of progress since version 9 and this is Old-rider's version 16 no less (with my version 17 coming out in two months time) :) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 03/31/14 at 16:33:09 ok, when I get to a secure PC I'll order the disk, then I'll probably drive you nuts asking how to transfer all the crap I actualy ude from XP to Linux ;D I'm so useless with tech :( |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 03/31/14 at 16:40:28 Don't let me scare you, but your Linux file manager can see inside your XP drives on drive C:, it can copy and paste from there to here, or you can put your data on a thumb drive and just keep it there for both systems since your Libre Office can open your MS Office files and can even save them back as MS Office formats of whatever version you prefer. But you will have to learn some to do that. I taught mine to use the MS Office 97/2000 standard format and extensions automatically as the system defaults, so my wife just sees her school files just open, then save. (wives are like you and Serowbot, they don't want to have to bolt on their own faceplates) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 03/31/14 at 23:28:42 OF... I've had mint16 on a bootable flash for 3 months... ;D... I just installed it to a HD as a dual boot... ...(It took 2 1/2 hours to create a partition!... scared me shitless!)... ...(I do have a 1.5T HD and it's 3/4 full)... ;D... Anyway,... it's on there... and it works... it's better than it used to be, but it still sucks... PS... I'm no neophyte when it comes to 'puters... it's just that I'm very, very, good when it comes to XP... ... and I don't like change!... ;D... Any idea where Mint hides Firefox?... I need to find the program files to copy my personal prefs, bookmarks, and passwords... Not the link... the actual program location... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/01/14 at 01:57:04 Mint I use had Firefox as the default browser, but it is always available in the Software Manager. Firefox is neat since it is FOSS software anyway, you can just go to the web site and download the Linux version if you can't seem to locate it in the Software Manager. I think things will get even easier when we are all on the same Mint version as those who are better at it can find the stuff for those who aren't. Its there, and generally isn't hard once somebody points out where they stuck it. But it's good to hear that you got your suit on now, we can count on you to be clunking around with us for a goodly long time since them whip wielding virus guys and and them Loki wormy masters and all the other evil baddies can't get to you. Let's see, we are 3 for 3 successfully putting the suit on so far and Art will be #4 pretty soon. Justin however has gotten all quiet on us lately, but he was going to be working on a big project at the house and not be messin' with the web for a bit. I hope Justin doesn't let Black Tuesday (yeah, 4/8/14 has a name now) creep up on him unawares and catch him in the shorts on the following Wormy Wednesday when all the nasty aimed exploit stuff gets turned loose by the crazy paid Loki types at midnight on Black Tuesday. :o .... and today is April Fools day and we all get to play like we are MS and do us some FUD and talk about them bad hacker boys sneakily opening up the back doors into XP's drop flap long jonns so they can insert their little lit M80 suppositories up your PC's depositor. :-/ Eeeewww .... there goes another XP machine http://dailynewsdig.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/exploding-toilet.jpeg |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/01/14 at 02:18:00 2A3C2B362E3B362D590 wrote:
In your current Firefox (and yes they surely do like to move it around and put it under different sub menus and such) try going to Bookmarks > Show all Bookmarks > (top line) Import and Backup > Export bookmarks to HTML. This will create the export file with your preferences and all your bookmarks that you can put on your jump drive along with whatever data you need to preserve if the big flying wormies do get to you. This is also the exact same information you need to keep handy if you are reloading a new version of Mint, so you need to get into the habit of backing that information up periodically. And today would be a good day for me to update all my backup stuff, since a week from tomorrow promises to be an "exciting" day for us red dudes, we get to go stomping around on all them land mines and blast us a lot of them neat evil dude type pop up targets while everyone else in XP land is busy getting all wormied, blown up & massacred. ;D Justin, will we ever hear from you again, or did you sit on a booby trapped toilet seat and got yerself all smithereenied on us? Black Tuesday leads to Wormy Wednesday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m6UKS1L0YQ |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/01/14 at 04:02:52 And I like this one too, this is where Loki the worm master tries to directly infect the red suit bearer by transferring his evil directly into Tony's heart -- and Loki gets him a real surprise. When you are running Linux the protection goes all the way to the core, from the heart out. Even when you are not suited up, Linux cannot be infected by Window's worms. Watch the expression on Loki's face when his evil infection just doesn't do anything .... and he tries again and again and it just doesn't work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3GF1x0-VX0 |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/01/14 at 09:39:07 http://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/penguin.jpg http://betanews.com/2014/01/30/windows-xp-home-users-should-upgrade-to-linux-not-windows-8-1/ Beta News is one of many sources of information about the XP death disaster we are now in the less than a week left countdown period. Beta News is not, however, attached to any particular flavor of Linux. But they do have a recommendation for best distro path for the XP people fleeing the foundering XP ship Titanic to take. The penguin with the baseball bat implies that Linux people are the ones killing XP -- nope, that would be Microsoft now wouldn't it? Microsoft should be depicted as a vampire carrying a blood collection device and the penguin should be smacking the vampire, not busting out panes of glass in any windows. ;) The image, boys, got watch the image .... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/01/14 at 22:19:04 Speaking of things that mangle up a Windows machine (and can affect a dual boot arrangement) is the infamous boot sector (or boot kit) attack. Microsoft does not like Linux and they try to kill off a dual boot arrangement "accidentally" every once and a while by installing new software updates that replace the boot loader with a bone stock MS version. There is a Linux tool for that, it is called the Boot Repair disk. If you run off CDs, it comes on a CD. If you run thumb drives, it comes on a thumb drive. The key thing is you need to have it already sitting in your software box when the need arises -- so go here, read up, burn you a copy on to your favorite bootable media and set it aside for when you need it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair This boot disc (or thumb drive as the case may be) is stuck in place and the machine rebooted. It detects what you have and if you have over 2 OS's on your machine it asks you for the boot order for them. Beyond that, it is a fully automatic no-brainer fix. (the very best kind !!!) This disk is step #1 to figuring out what just happened to your machine when it won't boot. I have used this disk 3 times in my years of Linux use, once because MS screwed me up on purpose, once because I screwed myself up repairing Windows (ignorance, really) and once because of a boot kit attack virus. This disk is worth it -- trust me. As Microsoft gets more and more desperate, you can count on them "helpfully" replacing your boot loader for you at least once or twice to remove that "unauthorized access" to all that "illegal copies of software" that they just detected on your machine. It is all part of your journey to the point you finally throw MS off your machine as not really doing anything useful for you and for being just a plain bad citizen with all their various arrogant behaviors. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 04/01/14 at 23:16:03 Not mine... I've disabled updates... Note... Mint 16 is much better than 11... ...but, the change is still frustrating... Firstly,... I had to instal from a USB, 'cause my DVD is dead...(obsolete anyway, I ain't buyin' another one)... I had to re-enter all my passwords and log-ins, manually... (Firefox sync, doesn't seem to work with a dual boot, on a single machine)... (save your bookmarks to HTML before installing Mint)... I have a checkbook balancer that won't import...(having to re-enter every item, one at a time... (brutal)... ...but,.. once I get all the info reentered... I think it will be useable... I'm going to have to keep XP,... for Photoshop, video and audio editing, and Gran Prix Legends... Other problems?.. for some reason, I have to go into MB bios, and enable/disable USb keyboard legacy to access XP in dual boot... (this is probably more a MB issue)... ... and, Mint won't retain any desktop background that it doesn't have in it's resident folder... >:(... I have the mostest, gorgeousest, winamp retro-skin for my music player... and of course, that's a gonner... :'(... But,... change must happen.... Windows XP was my baby... And I could make it sing, at lighting speed...(way faster than stock Mint 16)(my XP is unrecognizable from a standard XP install)... Time to create some new neural pathways... by challenging my brain to whip, Mint into shape... Need to learn to think like a geek... ;D... This won't be a problem for regular 'puter users... Mint 16 works pretty good... I just need to make things, exactly how I want them... ...and, there's always a way... :-?... Just not a good time to tackle a steep learning curve, right now... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/02/14 at 00:02:02 well that sure make buying another machine sound more better and better ;D I can always take my XP machine and run it totaly offline |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Steve H on 04/02/14 at 04:09:50 I was happy to see the boot repair option when I booted the DVD. It sure beats having to try to remember all the cryptic command line parameters and searching out instructions to reinstall GRUB manually. It takes a trying but do-able task and makes it as easy as fdisk /mbr. By the way, never do fdisk /mbr on a dual boot system. MS assumes that they are the only thing on your machine and they will be the only one left working after doing it. I've got a couple extra systems that should run Linux fine. Maybe I'll just wipe and install on one of them. That way I can just let the Win box sit while using Linux. I got lots of pics and piles of docs that I need to move to the new OS. There's not really any programs that don't have a Linux equiv. Though some will require a learning curve such as replacements for Photoshop and Indesign. We've been running unsupported MS at work for years. We're still running Win 2000. While there is no support, it's also such a small segment, nobody tries to target it with anything. Clamav is the only antivirus that still runs on it. Most of the malware detectors work just fine. Upgrading would require a new machine and lots of new software and then manually going through several steps for thousands of documents to get them useable under the new software. It's not all doom and gloom running unsupported OS. But, if there's a problem, you better hope you can figure it out or there are instructions on the net somewhere. I have run Linux over the years for different reasons. Always found it to be rock solid once set up and operating. Looks like setup has gotten much easier over the years too. When I booted the DVD, everything worked. I didn't have to hunt all over the net to find drivers and instructions to get things operating. It just worked. It's great to see that time has been devoted to installers doing more than just dumping the system on a partition and making it boot. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/02/14 at 05:31:31 Group reporting now is 4 or 5 strong, Mint 16 installed for all of them with only one machine needing a bios tweek because the machine's BIOS was very old and a USB keyboard is being used at this point in time. Is actually a motherboard/BIOS issue on the old hardware. Casual users who wanted just the functionality that they used to get before got it with no effort and no trouble -- Mint installed automatically for them. Power XP users (1) who wanted more than standard had to go do some stuff, and so far they got it with about the same level of effort they had to put into XP to get what they originally had. (still are holding a grudge at MS for making them move, though). One person will have to wait for Mint 14.04 to get the very high resolutions on his video system and fancy monitor, but it will come automatically with 14.04 Mint. So, counting me we got 5-6 walking around in the red steel suit at this point in time. We got one who opted for a Chromebook, he correctly judged it fits his needs the best and he had the money to go run out and buy one from Walmart. Art will tell us how it all works out, he's still figuring out he doesn't have to do anything to it except push his Cat5 cable into the receptacle socket and turn it on -- there IS nothing to do to set up or maintain a Chromebook, Google does it all for you. All you have to do is log in using your Gmail address and password. Justin is still out of touch on this XP dying subject, and his clock is ticking down to only 6 days remaining. New stuff people report, Mint 16 has boot disk repair now as part of the install DVD (nice touch that, since I can attest it is good to have it around). ================== Things you want to do before loading up the Mint. 1) Copy your browser preferences to a thumb drive per the requirements of your browser. You will need these preferences to load them on to the same browser in Linux. 2) Make a backup copy of all your precious family pictures on to a thumb drive. Backup any other stuff that is worth reloading too. Since you are running a dual boot machine, you would like to think you can always go back into your XP mode and do these things after the fact -- but you need to do them now to have a copy sitting in a drawer in case the doom worms of next Weds get to you before you actually have a chance to go do it. Reality is, those of you who plan not to go on line using XP any more will eventually forget and leave your Cat5 plugged in when you switch over to XP, or you will forget where you are and go do it on-line anyway. Eventually, your XP catches a bullet and dies. Your Mint suit does not. Eventually, you will wind up running the suit full time, so get your precious stuff off of the XP side and on to a thumb drive that you leave securely closed up in a drawer somewhere. Your wife is going to want those pictures of the kids and will be expecting you to produce them years and years after all the dust has settled with this XP mess. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 04/02/14 at 08:48:49 Might want to read this... Linux isn't bulletproof... You entire HD can be highjacked... Ransomware can attack Windows, Mac, or Linux... http://finance.yahoo.com/news/internet-scam-hijacks-hard-drive-094500337.html Some protection advice here... http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/518285/fbi-ransomware-may-infect-firefox-in-linux-distros/ |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/02/14 at 09:43:45 Good advice, the No Script add on for Firefox -- I just did it. If someone were to successfully crypto-lock my hard drive, I would simply take out my install DVD and cold boot it and reinstall Mint on a freshly scraped and Linux formatted hard drive. Then once the hard drive tested clean for the crypto infection I would use the thumb drive with my browser preferences and whatever vital data that I had been backing up all along. Whole thing wouldn't take me 25-30 minutes to do (with some scrape and reformat delay of course). I would expect as you watch this issue develop that you see some prevention go into place by the Linux guys pro-actively blocking this execution. Something kernel deep that would require you to log in your administrator password to do a full encryption on your hard drive is likely already in place, but it will get made much more vigorous according to the popularity of this nasty trick. Serow, have you just spotted the first try for a kill shot for XP? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/02/14 at 23:51:43 I may or may not do the Linnux thing, I got a chromebook today, and will remove my XP machine from the net entirely if it works out might still put Linnux on it at a later time, but really, for what I doi with a computer, I don't see a need |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/03/14 at 09:45:34 I'm actually running mint 15 on my old laptop.... and thinking about 17 for my new one... One thing i'm going to shoot for.... keeping a 32 gig thumb drive in one of my usb ports and storing all my information there, pics, vids, and documents, that way if the laptop gets locked, I can reload mint and still have my information saved. Kinda like backing up your information on an external drive... i'm contemplating buying a 1TB hard drive and store all the information there. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/03/14 at 14:05:35 chromebook didn't work out, ordered the Linnux disk today, watch me wreck my computer ;D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/04/14 at 08:59:02 Yep, my whole extended family runs Linux now, at least part time. I used to tease my son in law the IT professional that his whole job was just running from crack to crack in MS's shaky dam, plugging up all the little cruddy software leaks. He used to defend MS saying how great it was, meanwhile my daughter the engineering manager jumped ship over to Mac and started saying "Honey, look, no worms, no viruses, no defrag". (Mac is suspiciously a whole lot like Llnux, more so than Apple feels comfortable with now since FOSS has been busting MS's chops recently over stealing FOSS code.) Long story short, my son in law fell in love with Ubuntu and now all of their machines, including the Macs are now dual boot Linux machines. Yes, you can easily teach a Mac to dual boot Linux, and many of the Apple people do this to get to certain pieces of software that not available on Mac. A Mac person will use a Linux partition and Wine just to run a few MS softwares that they can't get at all on Mac. Mac has an issue that occasionally Apple simply abandons older OS products completely when the hardware is still good (just like MS did with XP). The unsupported Apple OS will continue to run since it isn't prone to wormies, but the softwares on it will get no neat new features. So folks take older mac products and add Linux to it so they can get current features on their software. Apple claims to be based off of Unix and admits having some BSD code in it (which is permitted by the Berkley Software Distribution License). Where Apple is producing piles of little brown bricks for shite right now is that people can now prove the real source of some of their code from back in the day was Linux, not BSD. FOSS license says, you include FOSS code, you turn over the whole code mass back to FOSS. Apple isn't hated, and it does contribute to ARM and all the rest of FOSS. So, a blind eye may be turned upon Steve Job's little discretions that date back to when he was running NeXt and Apple may be given the chance to quietly fix their code to remove the "accidentally borrowed" stuff very discretely. Meanwhile, MS has been given notice by these actions that proprietary Windroid won't be tolerated, that stealing FOSS code means they lose whatever they attach to that FOSS code to. =========================== Linux (Android) variants of a lot of main stream Windows softwares are being worked upon by the old Windows vendor base. They see the desktop as being a future dead end, and x386 as being abandoned by Intel starting this year. Unfortunately, like MS they are entering an already crowded marketplace a day late and a dollar short. Microsoft and Intel are releasing even more vapor that they intend to take over the low end side of Android tablets by the end of next year. They plan to use up all of TSMC's production capacity and squeeze out them durn irritating little guys as well. This is the #5 ranked fab company (Intel) and the #6 ranked mobile OS company (Microsoft) stating they are going to use other people's fab lines and somebody else's OS to bust everybody else's chops. (but just btw in tablets) And this is with Intel still not even having a phone chip at all right now ...... The Chinese Cheapie guys (no longer very small at all any more) simply smile at them. The Chinese now have their own state of the art ARM processor fab plant in production right now with 20nm ARM chips shipping this spring with 2 new 14nm lines going in as we speak for use by this fall/winter. There is floor space laid out for 2 new 10nm lines as well. No 28nm at all, just 20nm and the more modern stuff. Remember, right now China sells 4x more stuff to themselves right now than to the entire remaining North American and European markets. And I still predict a Chinese OS (android based, yes, perhaps) will be listed in the top 5 OS products within a year. Xaomi has one that is a candidate, as is Badu. ;) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 04/04/14 at 10:00:22 27343231232424460 wrote:
I don't think you'll wreck it... And, if you use your 'puter for simple internet, music/video viewing, and writing, you will like it... Do make sure that your bios is set to boot from DVD drive... If you put the disc in, and the computer doesn't boot to it,.. you'll need to get into bios and select dvd boot... Bios is usually accessed by holding the delete key during boot,... then use the arrow keys to select boot sequence, and choose the dvd/cd drive first... F10 is save... I'm working on making Mint my own... I ditched "Banshee" music player and use Audacious,... ditched VLC video for Videos 3.8.2... ..and have installed the Cairo dock, (works similar to RocketDock in Windows)... Some things are actually better,.. others not quite... but, I'll bet it's better than Windows 8... :P... Good luck, Art... bug the cr@p out of OF if you have trouble... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/04/14 at 10:07:21 76757D6B707D7C6B190 wrote:
I do this now, by having a folder on my desktop called "Kelly's Stuff 4-1-14" that has all my data stuff in it. It also has my booksmarks and preferences exported in HTML format current in each backup as well. I back it all up monthly to a big thumb drive using the date to keep the sequential backups organized. When my thumb drive finally fills up, I delete a half a dozen from the top of the list and keep on backing them up as the list keeps it organized by date. I do not leave the thumb drive plugged in all the time, because that is a good way for it to catch something since it is FAT32 formatted and any virus would just see it as a tasty little DOS snack. The folder full of data stays on the desktop and the thumb drive lives in a drawer when it isn't getting loaded. If I do get munched, I will have dated layers of backup to rebuild from. Throw in the current Mint DVD, do a standard install and copy over the "Kelly's Stuff 4-1-14" folder from the thumb drive and I am back in motion again. Less than an hour to do, easy peasy. So far nothing has ever munched my Linux (the red suit is jest too tough to crack). AND, everybody recognizes that Serowbot is rapidly becoming a Linux expert himself, so he too can answer your questions, as can old-rider, Steve H, etc. etc. You got lots of Linux experience available right here on the list ... and as more of us put on the suit in the next 5 years (Vista and Win 7 scheduled to die) it will become prevalent, not the exception. "MS sucks", sez Tony Stark. "Microsoft will give their most modern OS away for FREE, gratis, zero cost, nada dolero to anybody but you, their long term faithful XP customer. So, let's go kick Microsoft's butt some, they really deserve and need it". http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115760/3225236-1482553358-32122.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/04/14 at 11:23:34 fortunately if I do manage to wreck my computer I have the smartphone as a backup ;D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by verslagen1 on 04/04/14 at 12:26:56 22313734262121430 wrote:
If you wreck your computer, maybe OF will send one of his dolls for you to play with. ;D http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/874197151_1/New-IRON-MAN-MARK-III-13cm-PVC-Action-Figure-New-In-Box-Free-shipping.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/04/14 at 12:45:17 I don't think those particular dolls play nice. Likes to rip yer stuff right off ya, they do. MESSING WITH THEM could result in you talking all high pitched for the rest of your life. Makes Chuckie look like a wimp, they do. Them is some more mean mean hard assed little Chrome OS armor dolls .... .... they wouldn't even let poor 'ol Art turn them on, they are so awful mean and hard-arsed nasty like. NO !!! You are not authorized !!! Wifi only !!! http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/8a/66/e88a667c655df6aa7aeb62f26c313a3d.jpg |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/04/14 at 23:52:37 That's exactly what happened, they treated mr like a virus ;D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 04/04/14 at 23:58:55 Take 2 zinc supplements and call us in the morning... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/05/14 at 02:15:25 About your thumb drives, small ones/older ones are generally formatted as FAT32 which is a universal basic hard drive format that really does go all the way back to DOS -- or if they were an advanced large capacity thumb drive they might be formatted as NTFS format which is the current Windows format. Key thing is that thumb drives are always an attractive snack bit for a Windows virus. Leaving stuff on your Mint desktop, that's a folder on a hard drive that is formatted in Ext4, the current Linux standard high efficiency high security format. To get to your data on your desktop folder, a virus has to deal with a hardened Linux operating system and a drive format it generally wasn't even created to be able to read, much less to go screw up. So, if you are going for maximum data security, only put stuff on your thumb drive when you need to archive copy it, the rest of the time your data is safer on your Linux desktop stuck inside your personal data folder. Don't leave thumb drives plugged in all the time, they are at an ongoing risk of a Windows virus or worm or etc. etc. while they are just hanging out of the front of the machine. Really, it is about as safe as a strip of bacon sticking out of the wire mesh of a dog pen. Very attractive. Gets eaten pretty quick. Remember, Mint can read/write any hard drive format, and it generally matches the write format to what it finds on the write to device. You can reach inside your Windows NTFS format with Mint and read files, then write them to your Linux hard drive desktop -- the format of the data is changed during this copy/paste. Read NTFS, write Ext4. And vice versa if the data is going the other way. Now, when this doesn't happen flawlessly, it causes you a heart ache -- so keep your data on a folder on your desktop as its normal resting place, and only copy it over to your flash drive one way (periodically back it up). Only write it once (when recovering from a disaster). Keep the thumb drive safe in a drawer -- not plugged into something all the time. :) So, what did we learn? Bouncing data files back and forth between hard drive formats isn't recommended as a repeated repeated repeated activity because "shite can always happen" if you give it enough chances to happen. One of the drives involved being a little sour can do it to you, if you bounce stuff between drives and formats all the time. ;) ..... that thumb drive has a limited read/write life-span too, did you know that? Flash drive "trim errors" do accumulate, cutting down on the drive's capacity. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/05/14 at 20:15:03 So does that mean I'll be able to copy ebooks / spreadsheets to Linnux? that'd be cool, eventualy I could chuck windows entirely |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Steve H on 04/05/14 at 20:53:19 If it's the same machine, you can just leave them where they are and access them with Linux. It will read your Win partitions, no problem. You can open excel spreadsheets with Libre Office Calc. I am sure there is an ebook solution as well. I haven't really researched it. Though, I might have to soon as I'll probably switch soon and have many ebooks. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 05:22:44 Steve H is right, you can read them right where they sit. What's funny, is you can still do that even when your XP drive C: dies, won't even find itself and cannot boot any more. Linux has no problem seeing or reading the stuff on the C: drive that Windows says that drive is DEAD and has all sorts of boot sector damage and is completely useless. The only advantage to moving the stuff over to the Linux drive is that once it becomes "hidden" behind the walls of Linux (and changed over to Ext4 format) very little of worms and viruses can get to it any more. Keeping an external back up is good, for hard drive death issues that are real and unrecoverable. Hard drives really do go bad eventually. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 05:51:09 Ebook readers are as varied as the current crop of Windows readers is quite diverse. What reader do you use now (what format are the ebooks in?) Start from there and ask for a reader for that XYZ format in Ubuntu. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Gerry on 04/06/14 at 06:12:42 I've been using a Ebook reader called Calibre. I can't remember for sure but it might be in the Software Manager Gerry |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 10:34:54 Went to Linux site and downloaded cinnamon to a 32 gig thumb... got a mirror site from Oklahoma university.... forgot how I did it first time but it loaded the 32 bit to the thumb, well the "image" thing.... thought kewl i'll just stick it in the little laptop and see what comes up.... booted it up, nothing blank screen, and now it won't even boot up at all, so I thought ok maybe wrong site. went to Linux.com/download tried to use the big green buttons to download mint 16, and it started loading apps on my computer.... "check your speed", "optimize your drive", "view password" holy crap! took me a bit to find most of them in remove area... guess I got the wrong Linux site???? now my internet on the big laptop sux...gonna have to find what is running in the backround.... windows 8 sux at finding stuff |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/06/14 at 10:46:01 I use Adobe rreader of course, x I think |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 10:58:06 LOL! never trust yahoo search.... the first four things that popped up where advertisement searches... I just clicked on the first "Linux.com" I seen, it was convincing enough to make me click on the "download mint 16 now" button... wow... Went back again and got the "REAL" Linux site, downloading the iso again... so how do I open the iso on a non functioning computer? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 11:17:58 Does your non-functional laptop have the bios set to boot from a usb drive? Did you put the ISO on to the drive using Ubooting (or whatever that bootable USB thingie is called)? ISO has to be burned to bootable media such as prepared USBs or DVDs. If not, does the non-functional laptop have a functional DVD reader? What you were hit with was a phishing attack -- always make sure you go to the real site and follow real links to download anything or else you may get a munched computer real quick like. There is such a thing as Linux.com for real, but it isn't where you download Linux Mint. Both my wife and myself have gotten phished by being in a hurry and just clicking on stuff without reading in the browser bar to see exactly where we were being sent. PS -- Cinnamon is not the recommended flavor, Mate is. Here is the link to go to the right place. http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php You need to decide if you are 32 bit or 64 bit machine, and you need to pick a mirror with a good download rate (I pick Canadian mirrors as the equipment is modern and the mirrors tend to be relatively unstressed traffic-wise compared to American mirrors). Decide what bootable media you are going to use -- I recommend DVDs if you have equipment that can read them as you will have the DVD laying around later on if you should need it later on. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 11:39:43 Can't even get to the bios.... tried "delete key" "esc" "F8" "F10" you name it... it shows the asus and intel on screen bootup the I just get the dos blinking hash at the top left... it moves down two rows still blinking then just quits. I'm attempting to burn the iso to a disc...first attempt just copied the iso... working on a second attempt. Finally got into the bios.... esc key pressing wildly soon as I pressed power key.... trying the recovery discs.... see what is up Will copied iso file (could have sworn it said "burn data disc") work? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 12:51:09 When in bios on little laptop.... 00: sata hdd detected.... ooops... hard drive dumped. burned the mint 16 iso to a dvd (twice data disc) popped it in selected boot to cd/dvd hoping I could just use the dvd as a os... no such luck unless you know a way to burn an iso for boot up? thought I did that on the little laptop, but apparently not...must need the hard drive for something first. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 13:23:20 First, tell us which little laptop you are talking about. Be specific. What sort of optical drive does it have, CD or DVD? How do you get to the bios when you power up the machine? Your bios needs to be set to recognize the USB drives as bootable drives, and be aware that USB 1.0 didn't always have this available because it wasn't invented way back then. Lastly, if the BIOS supporting little flat battery is dead, so is the laptop until you get it replaced. If all you have is a CD read only drive, then you need to go look at Peppermint since it comes on a CD. Everything else that is more modern/bigger is too big for your CD optical drive to read (comes on DVD). ===================== How to burn an ISO image First, you tell us what sort of image burning software you have available on Windows. It has to be able to burn what your "little laptop" can read. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 13:38:41 Its a asus X83V, has a intel Centrino 2.4g chip, its 3 or 4 years old now and asus doesn't even list it anymore. It does recognized the usb as a bootable, however is just managed to download the .iso file and did not download a pre boot loader or what ever. I have a stack of dvd's I use for stuff but apparently they don't have a pre boot .exe on them. Gonna have to read up on it again as I recall I was booting to the thumb drive (erased after I dual booted) on the smaller laptop. It was running yesterday, but while in Linux mode I closed it without shutting it down... when I went to close, mint 15 had a bunch of "do you want to redo session or somesuch" and just kept hitting the x button got tired of it and shut it off with the power key. This morning I tried to boot it up and no go... I hit the esc key to get to asus bios and then F2 to bios setup... no matter what boot I suggest cd/dvd/hdd/usb the .iso isn't working So I have to figure out how to make the dvd a boot disc. The flash sees the serial of the hdd but does not boot it... I hear it doing its thing for about two or three times then it just stops.... Screen shows ASUS and INTEL , drive cackles like norm... then the screen shows the _ blinking at the top left, then the _ moves down two rows and disappears and screen is blank, no more hdd noises.... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 13:48:53 Gonna have to read up on it again as I recall I was booting to the thumb drive (erased after I dual booted) on the smaller laptop. It was running yesterday, but while in Linux mode I closed it without shutting it down... when I went to close, mint 15 had a bunch of "do you want to redo session or somesuch" and just kept hitting the x button got tired of it and shut it off with the power key. Do you remember how I told you that interrupting low level activities is the very favorite way that folks kill their hardware? You don't have a hard drive at the moment. It is fixable though. Did you download and burn a copy of the boot repair disk I told you about several days ago? Let me think about this a bit, because you are about to tell me no, aren't you? You aren't sure how to download stuff and burn CD and DVDs .... Do you have a working windows machine right now to use to work with? You need to download this and do this and that, and you need a machine to do it with. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 13:51:50 Your Asus X83V has a DVD read/write drive, so you are good on that aspect. It should be pre-set as one of your bootable media. The operating machine, the one that still works, what sort of optical drive does it have? What sort of CD/DVD burning software do you have on that machine? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 14:00:02 I do download and burn things.... most times I can remember...lots of times I cannot. I am using CyberLink to burn to cd/dvd, it came with my new hp pavilion laptop (win 8, sigh) I have never had a hard drive crash by closing a laptop or stopping an internet browser mid stream (I had no programs other than browser running), it should hibernate not lock the arm on the hdd, that should take a direct command. If Linux can lock my hdd arm by just stopping its program, why on earth would I want it.... Windows never has never done that, it just goes to sleep or at start up tells me I was stupid and shut it down wrong and do I want to start back up in safe mode or last known setup. I can hear the drive clacking away on start... up to the point where either windows or Linux is supposed to be selected to run, but that screen never pops up... I have system recovery disks, but after the initial read of the dvd, it goes to the little bar with word windows above it and scans and scans and scans, nothing happens, which tells me my hdd needle is not moving past a certain point and there for just black screens me. Oh.... it actually loads a few files into ram memory, but nothing else |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 14:20:55 Slow down and take a breather. What you were hit with was a phishing attack -- always make sure you go to the real site and follow real links to download anything or else you may get a munched up computer real quick like. Phishing sites are something that looks like something, but when you click download you give permission to your machine to download a bunch of evil instead. A full phishing attack leaves all sorts of worms, trojans and root kits scattered through your machine. Your machine was walking dead by the time you saw the stuff popping up, it had already downloaded a gut full of evil. Linux didn't kill your machine, a phishing attack did. When you saw all that strange stuff popping up that was malware downloading on to your machine. Still, my comment still stands, don't ever cut off your machine while it says it is working on something. Linux or not, you can harm your hard drive by turning the power off during low level activities. It can scramble your root level items and foul up your boot table. Windows or Linux, it doesn't matter -- let the machine finish before you cut it off. Did shutting off your machine kill it? Likely not, it was already root kitted by then and wasn't going to restart no matter what you did. =============== Cyberlink is a collection of like 11 freebe things that gets thrown on machines by a vendor so they can say they sold you a "complete" machine. There are generally like 11 sub-packages and you are looking for the one called Powerburn or Power2go some such name -- it specifically burns DVDs. Which version of Powerburn or Power2go do you have? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 14:37:44 Was using my big machine to do the Linux downloads.... I caught the mess early and got them all off of it. The little laptop I just play online with world of warcraft or just surf my usual sites. I had left Linux up and running and this site open, when I closed it apparently it didn't hibernate, don't know why, when I opened it back up it said it had timed out and did I want to reopen my last page... I said no, it popped up like three or four more times... I only had two tabs open, but after the fourth time I just shut the machine down with the power button. As far as version goes... hell I don't know, it tells me to go to "help at power 2 go" which there is none when I open it up, it also tells me to press "control b", all that does is bring up my favorites browser... At the moment i'm trying to get the recovery disc's to work, it loaded some files to memory and has the scan bar with Microsoft Corp words under it going.... and going... i'm going to let it go for a couple of hours...no little blinky lights or any sounds other than the fan going at the moment... if it don't come back, i'll probably take it out back for some archery practice... gotta go buy some cheap wood arrows tho...don't want to mess up my aluminum ones... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 14:42:22 LOL....banged the lower right corner of the little guy with my fist... rofl...now windows says loading files... and will recover windows to whole hard drive... ROFL Picture me... sitting here talking getting frustrated, bang the laptop with a closed fist (palm side) and it chatters and takes off... ROFL... ;D ;D It is not that I need the little guy, just rattles my gourd knowing it was working just yesterday. So now I guess I wait.... it has the please do not remove the cd-rom ect...ect... but no sound what so ever...i'm not going to bang it again...... just yet |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 14:45:14 Put your bow up, and lets make sure you have the sick machine unplugged at this time, parked over in a corner and completely out of your mind. We are talking about your machine that is still running that you are posting on, because we want to use it to download and burn a recovery cd. You keep messing with the sick one and all you are going to do is give the worms and such more processor run time to finish the job they have already started. Unplug it and park it in a corner for a bit and take a break and get your calm back. It's like breaking a bolt off on your bike -- all you are going to do right away is make things worse because you are all frustrated and mad right now. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 14:55:16 So your Asus X83V had a hard disk failure, huh? Bet it ain't over yet, but while it is working on recovery, lets see if we can use the good machine (the big one you are posting on) to download a recovery tool. First, here is the sourceforge page for the boot repair recovery tool. Satisfy yourself that it isn't another phishing page before you hit go. http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/ To make you feel safer, I just downloaded it myself and I got an iso image of the boot repair disk. Use your available Windows CD burning tool to burn a CD of the image. You are "burning an ISO Image" and you are working with CD, not a DVD. Once you finish what you are currently doing with the Asus X83V, you can use this tool to unscrew your boot sector (assuming it isn't fixed already). Fair warning, if you use Windows recovery you may wind up with a virgin Windows machine again (and sometimes it just fixes what you had before, I've had it go both ways). Windows recovery comes across like a crapshoot sometimes. The boot repair disk just fixes the boot screw up and gives you back your old machine. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 15:05:27 Save to cd or download and then burn to cd? Use same disc for mint? error: no such partition grub rescue> sigh..... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 15:37:02 Any time you burn an ISO image, it is the ONLY thing that goes on that particular piece of plastic. Download the boot-disk-repair-64bit.ISO from the source you were given. Get the downloaded ISO file sitting on your desktop. I went looking and sure enough I have a HP pavilion that has Power2Go as part of CyberLink DVD suite. Open Start> Programs> open CyberLink DVD suite> open Power2Go then look at the menu bar and find Burn Disk Image, open that then put a blank virgin CD in the drive, close it and then click on the top bar (browse) and find the source file on your desktop. Your selection SOURCE bar should show the ISO file sitting on your desktop and your selection DESTINATION bar should show your CD sitting in your drive and your GO button should say Burn. Hit it and wait until it is done. I just did all these things and got a bootable recovery disk that will unscrew a messed up boot disk. That is all it will do, but most times in Linux that is all that can go wrong on a dual boot machine since the Linux side can't be attacked by a Windows virus. Will this help you get back your Windows? No, but it will let you get back into your Linux that you have already installed (and indeed will sometimes unscrew your Windows as well since a root kit attack hits these boot functions and scrambles them). Try this simple recovery disk before you get all drastic with Windows Recovery and get yourself back a blank stock Windows machine for your trouble. Keep the disk, it will come in handy later on I am sure. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 15:56:33 So, on this fine Sunday old-rider got his little XP laptop whacked by a phishing attack while we watched. We will count him as the first list member to die the end of life XP death by malware attack. (except according to the specs listing his machine supposedly ran Vista, not XP -- but that could depend on when exactly it was shipped as the changeover was about then) There will be more list members, I am sure. We will see if his attempt at Windows Recovery gives him back his old machine or gives him back a virgin blank install of XP or Vista (with all the old softwares and configurations gone gone gone). He has instructions on how to get the boot-disk-repair.ISO and how to burn it using the DVD burning tool he has on hand on his big machine. He is either happy as a clam or really really sorry he used Windows Recovery (I have had both results out of it over the years, so who knows?) Phishing attacks start out with malware sites faking looking like they are something you are looking for, so be careful where you go and what you download as phishing attacks have gotten to me before -- so I can't claim they are not effective little nasties because they are. Can't hurt the suit though, Linux blocks them cold. They can only get as far as the Windows NTFS formatted dual boot system and what they do to it can be fixed by the Linux boot-repair-disk tool. ====================== Old-rider, tell us what you got when it is all done, OK? No matter what you get, it can still live again, even if it tries to say the drive C: is all corrupted and nonfunctional/bad. (it isn't, really) If your Windows Recovery partition won't bring the machine back, MS likely won't help you with either XP or Vista since both are out of current sales support at this time. But do try, because until you do try you will never know for sure. I own a Core 2 duo machine that was left for dead by Microsoft, as a matter of fact I am typing this post on it right now. But let MS have their full chance and you tell us what they can/will do for you, their very loyal long term Windows customer. :) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 20:27:25 Ok....five hours later..... Disc repair worked... got me in to install vista... Of course it took five hours to download all the updates... I did a dual partition so I could install Linux mate 16 (which I also burned an image of) and hopefully I will return to an new improved system I am going to load my favorite game now and it will probably take about 3 hours with updates. All I have to do is attach an icon to it to make it run on Linux 15, hopefully it will be just as easy with 16. Don't know what it was...but it like my system very much.... The old time pc with xp has chrome browser, we shall see how that works out :) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 04/06/14 at 21:09:39 OR,.. kickin' some butt through those landmines... ;D... I've got my 5 year old toy Acer netbook... (posting on it now)... 1.6G Intel Atom with 1g ram and 160g HD... (love this little guy)... I think I'm going to run it as a petri dish... running XP 'till it dies... Working 100% right now... Separate partitions for OS and file storage... it's all replaceable... This little 'puter is the "Mini Me" for my desk 'puter... ...(I'm guessing it will do fine for the next 2 years)... I've added dual boot Linux to my desk 'puter just to get a jump on the learning curve, and as insurance)... Come n' get me bugs!... Grrrrr,.. Arghhh!... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 22:31:33 Old-rider, glad your Windows Recovery worked, sorry it didn't just fix your existing machine, but instead it did its final default recovery thing, a total rape and scrape putting back the stock everything as of the date the machine shipped. 5 hours to download all the updates -- at least MS was there for you with that string of updates because you are running Vista and that is still supported. The XP people who do Windows Recovery won't get all that post death date support, what comes off their hidden drive D: will be all they ever get. All told you will likely have 10+ hours of rebuild in the machine to get your Windows back as good as you can get it. ===================== Let's talk about a dual boot Linux Mint Mate / XP machine total crash a bit, supposing that the machine actually gets blown up by something that Linux can't handle (which so far has never happened). But the Windows side can still die fairly easily, which does happen. The boot sector is the weakness between the systems that gets killed most often. Boot Disk Repair CD was written for just that situation. It works automatically. XP being dead and unsupported, there isn't much point in messing with a Windows Recovery Partition that is going to just load the original XP (or mebbe you might get up to Service Pack 1 level if the machine is new enough) since Microsoft isn't going to support you any more by downloading all the rest of that long string of updates any more. Without getting the entire long long string of updates I question the value of even messing with an XP recovery partition as it won't be able to work very well due to being so very very far out of date. If your dual boot machine dies, this is what you do Step 1 ..... Boot Repair Disk into the CD/DVD drive, cold boot the machine, it fixes the scrambled NTFS dual boot hard drive sector automatically. Everything either works right on both sides, works right on the reboot or if not go to step #2. (time 15 minutes) Step 2 ..... If you Linux Mint is running but your Windows XP is dead, just run the Linux half until it is time to upgrade your Linux Mint. Yeah, I know -- you will likely still try the D: XP Recovery Partition and waste the hours doing it, but in the end you go to Step #3 eventually anyway (just really really pissed off at Microsoft when you go do it). Step 3 ..... Put in your new upgraded Linux Mint Mate 64 Install DVD -- cold boot, tell it to reformat and take the whole drive. You are wiping out the entire broken old machine. You are making this choice to not mess with a very out of date XP version off your recovery drive D: because MS won't do the updating of the old stuff you get off of drive D: all the way up to current status because THEY HAVE LEFT YOU FOR DEAD NOW. Unsupported. Totally unsupported. They don't know you any more. You have called them twice and they politely told you so. (time 30 minutes) Step 3 ...... With the current Mint installed insert your backup thumb drive and get your preferences and bookmarks HTML off of it, plus whatever family photos, etc you backed up as well. (time 10 minutes) Elapsed time inside an hour to a complete reload, you are now a Linux user full time. You are an ex-Microsoft person who doesn't care for Microsoft very much any more. One-sided divorces are like that. But, as you will see, there is happy and contented life after Microsoft. Linux is alive and growing all the time, not all dead and grumpy like Microsoft. :D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/06/14 at 23:33:26 Serowbot's last stand before abandoning XP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3lzET9HFhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4npL1BsimA |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/06/14 at 23:36:31 Got chrome loaded on the little laptop, figure i should start here first... no spell check yet, but i'm working on it. :) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/06/14 at 23:48:19 Interesting discussion of rebooting after a phishing attack though of course most of it is over my head I have 3 browsers on my PC currently: IE9, firefox, and chrome chrome is the ONLY one of the three that will actualy work, due to whatever nasties are hiding in my system (having slipped totaly uncontested past security essentials) I know for a fact there's a spambot, and I suspect there's worse, so I won't purchase anything at all via the net unless I can call the company and order it, unless I do so from work my PC is slow, it's cranky, it locks up, it's a mess this is one reason I'm so ready to be dome with MS, based on our discussion here also during boot up (I think I mentioned this already) the message: system battery voltage low; press f1 to continue, or press any other key to got to somrthing, boot menu maybe of course I'm ignorant of all this, but I suspect that may be a hardware issue. As long as the unit keeps running though, I'm good |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/07/14 at 00:02:35 Yup, I used to get that on my old pc until I changed the onboard battery. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/07/14 at 00:14:00 I don't even know how to open the fool case ;D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/07/14 at 07:29:56 Art, you know it isn't that hard. what kind of computer is it, make and model -- then ask the internet how to open the case. Heck, ask the internet how to change the bios battery, somebody has posted a you tube video showing you how. On the surface of the board there is a round watch battery, about the size of a 50 cent piece. Trick is generally there is another one right under it, sometimes a total of three stacked up but the last one is somewhat tough to get out as it is recessed down in the plastic. Note how they went in, write yourself a little sketch, then carry one to the store to make sure they give you the right stuff. Pop them in, then expect the machine to want you to redo the bios choices when you boot the machine. Might want to visit the bios and make some notes on each entry before taking out the batteries. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Steve H on 04/07/14 at 19:30:40 An example of why you might want some notes. My system defaults to bitshift addressing for the hard drive. The drive itself will handle that with no problem. But, the drive was used in an older system and moved to this one. The older system only supported LBA. If I change the battery or something blows setup, I have to change my hard drive from the default bitshift to LBA or I have a dead hard drive. There can be some little gotchas like that in any system if it's been upgraded or had additional parts added in. If it's all stock, it's usually not a problem. Look at any interrupt assignments that have been set instead of left at auto. Verify hard drive settings. Verify built-in devices turned on or off. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/08/14 at 00:06:55 70535B595A53535A4D3F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/08/14 at 00:09:32 69722B28292E2C231A0 wrote:
mandarin chinese I'm sure if I werent a coplete tyro I'd know what some of that means ;D my disc arived today, seriously just pop it in and it's automatic? you said it'll ask some questions, will I have any idea wtf it's talking about? ;D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/08/14 at 05:06:12 Art, This is a choice you will have to make. We all realize now that you know practically nothing about a computer beyond typing on the keyboard. Honestly, during the installation you are going to read some simple choices and you, Art, will have no basis on which to understand which simple choice to make. Indeed I doubt you will even understand what some of the questions really mean, the implications that they have for how the machine would operate. Unless you were to print off the help instructions and actually carefully read them and attempt to understand them, all you would do trying to install that software by yourself is bumble through it and create a new situation that you don't understand (and since nobody else was there with you when you did it they won't be able to help you after the fact). Do you have any relatives that live nearby that would have responsible older teenage children? Or younger adults? Young people have absorbed a great deal through osmosis and can do things very easily that older people find difficult about computer stuff. (plus it gives us old folks somebody else to blame when it all screws up). In short Art, get some help. Get someone who knows something about computers to help you install that disk. Doing it by yourself would just result in more computer pain and suffering. ================= Art bought a wifi only Chromebook intending to hook it up to a Time Warner cable modem with a USB cable. There is a language to computers, and a basic knowledge of how they work that most of us have picked up on in the last 20 years. Art hasn't. His installation skill level puts him at the same level as my mother in law, who won't touch her machine for "fear of messing it up again". I think my mother in law could maybe deal with using a chromebook, but she certainly couldn't set one up. Grandma will use her ROKU, but she can't add a channel to it. Art, I am afraid, needs to seek some assistance at this time. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/08/14 at 11:13:38 to be accurate, the chromebook is NOT wifi only, it CAN be run via ethernet, it only requires wifi for SETUP, and this fact is not given in the ad nor anywhere on the box you buy it in, lets not make me dumber than I am, eh, that's dumb enough as it is so as I understand it basicaly I have now wasted my money buying Linnux unless I have someone else install it great maybe I just need a new (refurbed) desktop with 7 |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/08/14 at 13:18:12 No, you can try it. Items involving passwords, keep them short. And on the screen that offers you the chance to use automatic log in make sure you click that button. Main thing is to go slow, read everything. IF you don't understand, ask the question. I think you think you know enough, problem is that if you are making any assumptions about anything, well we know what ASSuME does to us, right? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/08/14 at 19:13:28 yes we do, and I dont really think I knoiw enough, but I also often second guess myself and think I'm less able than I am I am rereading user guide trying to make sense of it |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/08/14 at 19:34:21 HEHEH.....start a new post...computer problem or some such... take pic's of your puter all sides... we could tell you how to crack the nut... and maybe help find your battery. Also..if you keep having the bios error (low battery) and setting it to "default" to get it to boot, it means you shouldn't have much of a problem replacing your battery as you will have to reset it to default after the change. Or do you have to do that? or is the error just letting you know the system battery is low? Or find your model and look it up on a youtube video |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/08/14 at 19:34:49 These are the points that make me a little skittery. You say your BIOS battery (CMOS battery) is signaling for replacement -- if it goes dead so does your PC (no matter what OS you are running). You say you can't get into the CMOS BIOS to read what's currently selected now (draw yourself a little map with all the blanks filled in so you can put it back the way it is now after you change out the battery). Next, your Windows XP is already worm bait (by your own reporting). This means you don't have much life left in your XP installation since you won't be able to reload anything that wasn't shipped on your hidden recovery drive D: and that will be very very out of date stuff -- MS won't be updating you any more through all that chain of 30+ some odd updates to get you back up to full XP steam again. I really do think you might profit from a computer savvy relative or friend coming over to sit with you while you do the CMOS battery change and load up the Linux disk and go through the Mint Install procedure. Even a little computer knowledge (enough to handle the battery swap) would go a long way. Your odds go way way up by having a little semi-skilled help. New thought -- if the person would look on your motherboard a lot of them had a set of 3 clearly labeled pins that allowed you to just plug in a large CMOS booster battery pack (the old flat batteries stayed in place the whole time). I don't know if your motherboard has this or not, but I took advantage of it whenever I could as it made CMOS battery replacement a breeze. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/08/14 at 19:37:09 honestly this is a lot of info to manage my printer is out og ink, I'll see if I can access this thread from work tomorrow and print the user guide, I think I will absorb it better from hardcopy, and I'm sure I'll need to reference it during the install |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/08/14 at 19:43:11 54575F49525F5E493B0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/08/14 at 19:44:31 I may ask the local computer repair guy how much he would charge for the install, my relatives who know PCs seldom have time for me |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/08/14 at 20:33:21 Well, its always a good thing to read the manual first, that way maybe you can figure out what you need to do. There usually is a trouble shoot section in there... And you can always go to the local computer repair guy and ask what they charge. But if you are not computer savvy some of those guys will take advantage of you, not saying all of them do, I would ask around and see who is recommended. See if the business has a website or check you local town internet info and see if there are any complaints or recommendations there. :) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 04/08/14 at 22:20:25 Linux... It's the little things that get me... Yahoo is my right-click search engine... I want Google... can't see how to change it... ... and even though I've set my preferences in power manager and screensaver to never sleep... my monitor goes sleepy byes... in 10 minutes... ... and as I type responses here... something keeps deleting what I type, and inserting the link menu into my message... ... and in Cairo's docklet,.. I can't get docked folders to work.. they just don't open... Little PIA's that drive me nutty... Beyond,... annoying... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/08/14 at 22:58:42 Yeah...i'm goofing around trying to get the .iso image burned from mate 16 64bit... but it isn't working no matter what I do the discs won't work, so I downloaded 15 cinnamon and its loading as I type, worked first time. Now downloading 16 mate 32bit to see if it will work....... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/09/14 at 06:54:47 3224332E36232E35410 wrote:
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/09/14 at 07:10:00 When 17 LTS comes out, there will be a lot more information about tweeks and problems/fixes this and that. People tend to just flinch past the boo boos in the little stutter burp 6 month versions since they aren't around very long anyway -- and since Linux Mint takes up only 15-20 gigs they also tend to keep the last 2-3 versions that worked really well on their hard drive and if they get really irritated at something will just revert to a version that worked totally well for them. This last one was very solid until Firefox began to screw up, so I guess I'll just Chrome along until Mint 17 comes out. Point being this -- the LTS versions get the needed effort to come out relatively polished and more flawless use-wise, and they tend to get more little things fixed over the course of their 5 year run -- and as you mess with it more and more you will learn to stick with the LTS versions that work well for you for as long as you can. Next point, Firefox has a lack of skilled people issues right now and is cutting back on problem fix/control because of this -- Chrome is beginning to be the predominate browser both in Linux and in the rest of computing as well because it is working relatively better at all of the things you use a browser for and is coming across as more flaw free as well. It may in fact be a better browser long term going forward. I don't like it, I wish it wasn't so -- I have loved Firefox for a long long time now and want it to get back on its feet and roll forward again. But things like the YaBB text list thing can't continue -- it is enough to make me switch. PS. The YaBB thingie starts out when you copy/paste something -- it is like it stays stuck in the paste buffer and every time you do anything selecting with the mouse it drops what is in the paste buffer in that spot as a little symbol that later on (when the screen rolls) blows out into a full paste. PS, the issue may be with YaBB text boxes and something modern standards-wise, YaBB isn't noted for keeping up in general. And Mysterious doesn't run the current version of YaBB either -- sometimes is 2 back from the current intentionally as upgrading YaBB is a pain in the butt plus YaBB current is always sorta buggy. YaBB is more like a programmer's tool box anyway, not an app or a program or a distro like we like to think about them. ===================== Selecting which OS to boot. One of the magical things Boot Repair Disk will do is let you re-rank the boot order of your stuff. Even if you have 3-4 different OS versions on there. :o So, not only does it fix Windows root kit attacks it can let you keep backup versions of Linux Mint easy at hand, and let you roll an old one to the fore again if you get tired of what you are currently playing with. And you will go distro hopping, eventually. Peppermint, Centos, lordy there are just so many things to try out there that you just can't help yourself. I just gotta go sample one every once and a while. I can comfortably hold 4 distros on my 80 gig hard drive at a time, but generally keep it trimmed to the current best and the beloved favorite oldie and one "current experiment". The experiment tends to get its partition cleared if it isn't as usable as the current Mint LTS and I have kept Mint Mate 9 (last Gnome2 natural version) as my oldy goldy for the longest time now. BTW, you can download the ISO and burn a copy of the old Linux Mint releases, all of them are available from the Mint repository. So if a hard drive were to totally just drop dead you could still get back the one you loved the very best. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/10/14 at 00:18:22 well I got my Bios setting written down, though I believe they're pretty much the default setting, but I had no time at work today to try to print the manual I don't like the sound of these issues people much more knowklegable than me are having, but I will persevere Also, I loaded avast free version last night and it found an adware wound up in ALL my browsers, among other thing |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/10/14 at 08:19:17 Art, fear not, we are discussing issues that long term Mint users have between various upgrades of the distro. And of various upgrades of browser varants which come and go much more fequently. Issues with the text box on YaBB posting box (the list here) likely have to do with YaBB but only show on the latest version of Firefox (which seems to change every month or two now). Issues are issues, they come and go. Glad you are making some progress, sounds like you be able to will heal up your XP to a certain degree and get your Bios battery replaced. Check the free version of https://www.malwarebytes.org/ out as a one shot anti-everything, I keep a copy of it on my wife's machine and I run it after Avast has done its best to find the rest of the crap that constantly gets on her machines at school. You never find it all, really .... My wife lives in a virus pit called a University and they too are struggling to survive with a whole lot of old XP machines everywhere. They are likely to temporarily spend the money to buy Microsoft's cost you out the butt coverage for a few years until they find some other path to take. And believe me, somebody will come up with a path. If the world crunches on MS enough over the XP killing thing, Windows 9 might come out and be suitable to run on an XP box and by then Microsoft will be suffering enough to be amenable on the price. But that would depend on MS being able to write a decent OS for Win 9 that people would really want -- which so far shows no signs of happening -- preliminary builds look like Win 8.1 still according to the pundits. There was a Windroid for a short time, but it looks like it isn't being pursued now. Something about losing two of their software packages to FOSS suits over copying FOSS code I understand. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 04/10/14 at 09:00:13 Art, don't mind me,.. I'm just really picky... Being picky is how I learn my way around new things... Thanks, OF... I'll work from your suggestions... EDIT.. update.. I got Google to be my search,.. thanks OF... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/10/14 at 09:17:57 Been trying to get the old PC (Compac Presario) to accept the 32bit version of mint 15 cinnamon, but it don't like it... It keeps coughing and sputtering as it is loading, I am going to try to defrag it and try again. This puter' is probably 8yrs old and is my trial for complete Linux OS. LOL, only thing is I don't think I have a xp disc anywhere, i'll look around, this was the mother-in-laws old PC, it was LOADED with little bugs (she literally clicked on anything that looked interesting). I also have the wife's old pc, that if moms won't work out then i'll put it on hers. It is about 6yrs old and I built it personally from bits and pieces from tiger direct. I used to build all the families PC's according to what they needed them for, sent my super gaming machine to my son in Illinois and he broke it...sigh... it is now about 4 years old, wish I had it back to play with. I also have a couple of old hard drives with windows on them laying about and i'll try to load some real old versions of Linux on them just for giggles, if I can get them to recognize all the stuff in the wife's puter. Raises my blood pressure on occasion, and I cuss a lot, but it helps me forget my current situation and it keeps my mind from turning to pudding (its jelly now). ;D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/10/14 at 11:23:34 If you're looking for a light Linux that will load try Peppermint. Mint based, comes in 32 and 64, small and light enough to fit on a CD. Issue to me was that it didn't use major programs and it went to cloud resources by default more than I liked. I guess what you do is unload the stuff you don't like and go to the software manager to find the stuff you do like. But it always has loaded and installed without any issues for me. http://peppermintos.com/ Also, you don't have to load old versions of Linux on old machines (you are used to having to hunt for obsolete drivers for Windows -- Linux keeps all drivers available as a part of the kernel). When Mint auto detects your machine it tags out the proper drivers and loads them automatically. This is one of the reasons you should have all your attached junk on the machine when you load the distro, so it can go find all the drivers for it during auto-detect. This includes all-in-one HP printers and Epson label makers and whatever junk you got -- plug it all up and load the distro. ;) Do you have a CD/DVD cleaning disk to stick in your drive to clean the crap off the photo-sensor reader head? Old equipment sits around and gets filmy stuff on the optic sensor with age .... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/10/14 at 19:26:22 well it turns out avast was a bad thing, my computer basicaly quit working, at least for net, and was dragging badly at other tasks too removed avast, comp is back to functional, though annoying I still didn't get the manual printed out, spent most of the day today fixing a flat on the rear of the S40 |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/10/14 at 19:29:37 Avast is an ongoing resource hog that slows down any computer you put it on. I like the free Malwarebytes because I only load it when I need it to go clean up some crap. Any modern antivirus will slow an XP class machine to a molasses crawl, using ALL your available memory and processor power --- but then again you got to get the evil off of there periodically. I just started Malwarebytes, told it to go update itself and then run C: -- and went to bed. I see you sold your Savage and bought yourself a crotch rocket -- how is that seating position doing for you? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/11/14 at 00:15:46 I don't think avast fixed anything tbh, it 'put things in the chest' the seating position is great on the highway, not so great around town, but I've had one of these before, you get used to it quickly, and the position isn't full on sportbike crouch, it's more sport touring also there are some things you can do to help with that, motorcycle larry makes a riser kit that moves the bars up 1 inch, and I think there's a company that makes a peg lowering kit the S40 is not sold yet, in fact it's only listed on here so far I gotta clean the carbs on the Ninja, too *sigh* kids and there short attention spans 'this isn't as cool as I thought it would be, I'll just park it for a few years and then sell it when I need money' I realy need to get that instal done, and pray I still have a working comp afterward of course as I've said, I could always go phone only |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 04/12/14 at 09:37:35 Mint is nuts... My desktop is blank half the time,(no icons or wallpaper... but, sometimes just wallpaper)... right-click on desktop does nothing, and selecting Desktop Settings in menu does nothing... (EDIT) mounting my separate media file drive seems to have put all icons back on desktop, (no idea why)... My audio player quit working...(gives "error" on all songs)... (EDIT) just reinstalled all music files and now they play, but there seems to be no way to save them as a playlist... Buggy ,buggy, buggy... ... and this is depressing... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7-fZJaJUv8[/media] I may start hunting for a Windows 7 copy... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/12/14 at 11:19:35 I don't know squat about computers and that looks bad to me |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by verslagen1 on 04/12/14 at 11:52:07 "this comp will soon stop receiving GC updates B/c it's hardware is no longer supported" ??? :-? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/12/14 at 14:17:32 Serowbot, Please stay on topic, please, you have just posted a video of Mint KDE which is about as far away from the recommended Mint Mate 17 as you can get and still be a Mint product. KDE isn't even directly supported by the Mint folks, they allow a group of their users to port KDE over to Mint and when they are satisfied the group finally got it stable enough (and for KDE that is a relative term) they put it on the site. This generally takes about a year to happen, so the KDE version is always quite a bit behind as KDE gets no great amount of support anywhere any more. But some love it, but not me. KDE is about the most complex and buggy thing out there, which is why I don't recommend using it. However, if you really want to scare the crap out of people with the wrong distro information, post some Puppy or Slackware config set ups, that should scare the crap out of anybody. Next, you have chopped up, moved and modified your standard load quite a bit by this point in time -- and you are acting surprised that the operating system goes looking where the stuff is supposed to be and can't find it? Having you post your trials and tribulations concerning your willful modifications is OK, but please be clear about what you are doing. You are not using the default set up or structure, so please remind folks of that as you go through your pain and suffering as you chop and nip and tuck. Nobody has seen the Mint Mate 17 that is recommended because it isn't out yet. Before you start turning folks off by beating him up, how about let's wait for the contender to actually get into the ring? AND YES, for a Windows user paying $100 out of pocket to get a single install copy of Window 7 would likely be the very easiest Windows to jump over to. But it is still $100 out of your pocket and it won't fit/work on older hardware very well. Mint Mate 17 will. You will be paying $100 to get to use Windows 7 for the next 6 years (Win 7 dies in 2020). Or you can wait a month and a half and take a look at LTS Mint Mate 17 when it becomes available. And also please remember that novice users like Art make no differentiation from the esoterica that you post back to the calm reality of a standard automatic install that Mint Mate normally does. :-? But you can get him to squeal in fear fairly easily if that is what you are trying to do .... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/12/14 at 14:25:13 253621203F3234363D62530 wrote:
Microsoft speak for "Go give us some more money, sucker" |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by oldNslow on 04/12/14 at 14:42:18 Mint Mate 16 has been pretty close to flawless so far. But I admit I haven't made many changes to the default install. I just installed all the 1 and 2 level upgrades and downloaded chrome as a second browser - mostly because I'm used to it 'cause it's what I was using on XP. If 17 is actually better I'm probably going to buy the DVD when it's out and just give it the whole HD. I've only got one program that has to have windows - the DTC database for my auto scan tool - and if I can't get it to run using WINE I'll just load it on the wife's laptop. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/12/14 at 14:57:02 Now, I am going to agree with Serowbot about something and try to make it very clear what I am trying to say. Distros are tuned and polished to work well. If you download a new distro (especially an LTS version) it is STABLE and everything works together well. The installation program does a very good job of finding all your hardware and stuff, and it all just works. AS IT IS DONE BY THE DVD INSTALL PROGRAM -- your Linux Mint Mate is as good as it gets. Start messing about with it a lot and you will induce some dependency errors and some failure to locate key items from that other program that are used by this program, etc. etc. etc. Start deleting a bunch of programs (some of which are system support related) can remove files (dependencies) that are used by other programs. So don't delete the stuff in a standard install, it is all there for a reason. Don't move it from where it sits, either. Now, knowing enough to properly fix that sort of stuff is kinda rare out there in user land, so let me give you a clue about how to fix it if you do go do that to yourself. Reinstall the DVD. Tell it you want a fresh install of all software. Wow, just like in Windows when you get it all hacked up and stuff stops working. Amazing, ain't it? Pretty quickly you will learn not to let yourself run all wild, running amuck & changing all sorts of stuff, as the pain and suffering really isn't worth it. Use your Software Manager to install programs -- it gets the right one for the distro version you are using and puts it in the right places and builds the right dependencies (that is what the Software Manager is for). Software is free, so using the right one doesn't cost you anything extra, and it saves you pain and suffering. You can add all the stuff you want using the Software Manager, but don't go around arbitrarily deleting or moving stuff (or you may buy some pain and suffering from the broken dependency thing). ;) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/12/14 at 15:58:34 Also, about these Windows 7 OEM disks that are selling right now for $99 -- they are one shot install disks, foul them up and you are out of luck as they are OEM software (install once on one machine). This is why the full retail package costs so much more, it can be installed on a PC and a laptop and if it gets fouled up you can get a code to reinstall it (by calling MS support and asking pretty pretty please). Old-rider just clocked 10+ hours on a Vista reinstall (and he still has to load all his software when he is done with the OS install). Reinstalling Mint Mate will take you no more than hour and you install all the common softwares with it when you do that. Reinstalling or upgrading LTS Linux Mint Mate is something that happens every 5 years, takes about an hour to do and doesn't cost you a penny. Sticking with LTS to LTS means you always get fully polished, carefully tuned stuff that all works correctly. It is the lazy old fart's dream, easy to do, cheap, and it works good. :D And you never have to defrag or mess with an anti-virus scan or update ever again. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/12/14 at 18:07:36 I agree mint (16) is confusing a little... settings, menu and desktop are all down bottom left. You have to go to the settings and pick what you want on your desktop. It is a different OS and different than windows start button. I have managed to set my screen saver to the planets which are cool, you can import pictures to linux and save them to files there, which makes them easier to use, either that or keep going to c:/ and find your file everytime. I have been using 16 on my little laptop for awhile, till I crashed it, but once I reloaded it i'm finding it easier to use every time I play with it I learn something new. I have now got my little laptop in the garage so I can use it for reference while working on the bikes and other projects in the garage since it is warmer weather now. LOL, wife asked me where I was at 2 o'clock last night.... I was in my "man room" honey... guess it beats me being out on the town. :D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/12/14 at 23:22:34 well I sure as hell wouldn't be hacking it up, I like my OSs like I like my motorcycles, basicaly stock (with maybe a few bolt ons) I will want Chrome for my browser, but I doubt that'll be hard to manage I am slowly, very slowly, wading into the user guide I need to find a youtube vid re changing my system battery, too |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/14/14 at 00:16:40 just checked mt C drive and I show 17.9 GB available, I need 20 right? might need to compress still reading guide |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Serowbot on 04/14/14 at 00:57:34 I allowed Mint to decide what partition it needed,.. and it took 185gigs... It's a petite girl that wants the whole queen size bed... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/14/14 at 02:51:15 It will fit in 17.9. Once you defrag completely and compact the drive you will have a lot more free space. Remember to do this in windows before you do the install disk or it will take forever to install. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Gerry on 04/14/14 at 05:31:36 I gotta say I am really liking Linux Mint. I seem to prefer Cinnamon over Mate. I use it almost exclusively now on my main Win 7 computer out in the shop. The only time I boot into Win 7 on that computer is when I need to use SolidWorks, SprutCam and Adobe Illustrator for my machining and design work. I have it loaded on my lap top, my neighbors XP machine and soon I am going to put it on my wifes Vista machine, after I reformat and re-install Vista as that computer has been running the original factory install for quite a few years now . I have two spare HDD in stalled on the shop computer so I will soon replace the one with Mint/Mate 16 for the new Mate Cinnamon when it comes out. Thanks Oldfeller for all your input and advice! Gerry |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/14/14 at 09:59:40 Cinnamon keeps getting improved and that is good. Last go round it wasn't as mature or finely finished as Mate, but that might not be the case any more (3 years is a long time after all). Cinnamon is the home grown desktop the Mint people did starting from a Gnome 3 basis (and throwing away a lot of the Gnome 3 interface in doing so). Believe it or not, Ubuntu is actually backing off on the Unity thing and is accepting a Gnome variant back into the Ubuntu family. The fact they have been behind Mint in popularity for the last 4 years and have dropped in user popularity numbers tremendously might also have something to do with it. Even the Ubuntu faithful have been losing faith and leaving .... Plus, using the Windows interface mixed with OSx as a "follow me boys" pattern sorta has become passe right now anyway ..... ;) Ubuntu Xfce is the most popular real Ubuntu variant behind Unity, mainly since Ubuntu Xfce is unchanged and uninterrupted in its progress since like year 2001. Lots of people like the simple clean interface and the fine polish that the Xfce distro has gotten over those uninterrupted years of tuning. But, here on the list our goal is the easiest Ubuntu variant to jump off to from XP. So far most pundits agree this is Mint Mate. So a'Mating we will go. Still, after you have been on Mate for a while and have gotten your Linux legs about you, you will likely go try other distros and may well find something you like better. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/15/14 at 00:37:23 67444C4E4D44444D5A280 wrote:
I defraged last week, while we were all dicussing the procedure, that was one of the few things I already knew how to do had 19 gigs left, untill I installed avast, which seems to still be on my PC despite me deleting it :-? I may defrag again though, right before install |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/14 at 03:30:34 Do a safe boot, then uninstall Avast, then manually go into your drive C: and delete the entire sub-directory it was in. Avast is hard to get off because it hardens the installation against worm attacks. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/14 at 03:33:57 The 20 gigs was for your Mint and all the stuff you might put on it later on. Mint only requires 10 gigs for itself and the associated programs, the other 10 gig was for the stuff you pick up over the years. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Gerry on 04/15/14 at 05:13:24 0A2921232029292037450 wrote:
OK, I have Mate on one of the other HDD on my main computer (I'm in that now). I think I started booting into the Cinnamon HDD because I read somewhere, either here? Or somewhere on the internet in the past couple of weeks that Cinnamon is better for high end current systems. So I thought I would see what it had to offer. But I'll stick with Mate for a while and get used to that, especially with the resource this thread has to offer. Thanks again Oldfeller, Gerry |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/14 at 07:34:08 Being based on Gnome 3 (stripped & tweeked) Cinnamon uses a good bit more system resources than Mate does (which is Gnome 2, continued & upgraded). For an older XP machine (Pentium class) Mate would be a better fit to your older hardware than Cinnamon. So, in jumping off of XP into something that is safer to tool around the internet, Mate is the one everyone recommends. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/15/14 at 10:09:35 Still can't get a good "burn" of the .iso for 16, so I used 15 for the little laptop and can't get the old Compaq to load up 15 either. Going to download one of the Puppy linuxes maybe.... first I have to go get me some regular recordable cd's, I have dvd+r and for some reason the old PC hates it, even though it has a dvd read/write player in it. The joys of computers...LOL... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/14 at 11:59:22 Puppy isn't generally satisfactory to most folks as they use reduced softwares and they don't have a lot of the larger softwares pre-packaged in their repository. Puppy is for 286-386 machines. Puppy also requires a level of knowledge that most of us don't have -- you will have to hand-tune the config files, etc. with Puppy. Try downloading and installing Peppermint (mint based) instead to get a light "known good installing" base package (using the Mint installer) then if you find you want more significant softwares they will have all of the normal Ubuntu/Mint packages in the repository that you can pull in later as you want them. Still runs off of a CD, is small and lite and can be expanded to be a full Mint. Sounds like your optical drive could use a cleaning. You could have you some hardware issues if the same DVD installed OK on other machines. Unless that laptop is an early 386/486 vintage you should have no issues loading the same DVD on it -- but remember there were 3 iterations of CD/DVD read write (+, - and +/-) back at the beginning. I can remember buying the wrong media type and getting all screwed up. :-? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/14 at 13:41:39 http://liliputing.com/2014/04/now-can-get-microsoft-office-70-per-year-7-per-month.html Wooo Woooo Windows is now issuing news bulletins about what they are planning to do in a post PC world. They will perhaps not base their operating profits on making PC OS's primarily any more (mebbe because lately they suck at it?) but instead are going to sell Office 360 on a monthly subscription basis for $7-$10 a month. Pay as you go, stop and start as you please. You will be able to buy Office for a Mac, Office for I-Pad, Office for a PC, Office for a Chrome book, Office for an Android whatsit or Office for your Linux machine. Microsoft doesn't care, they aren't going to be primarily in the OS business any more, certainly not in any restrictive fashion anyway. Windows 9 might even be a free product, supported by the monthly fee you pay for Office 360. (or mebbe free because it has to be FOSS since it contains some FOSS code) :D How's that for some new thinking from Microsoft? Carry that thought out a little further, and pay $0 per month for Libre Office and you will have arrived completely. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/14 at 17:35:35 http://liliputing.com/2014/04/lilbits-4-15-2014-intels-mobile-struggles.html And yes, I yanked all earlier comments about Intel based on what they just released for their last quarterly returns for this year and for the full year just past. Why? Because I just can't believe it is really that bad. I used to like and respect Intel, but now that can no longer be the case. Bay Trail is the very best tablet chip Intel has come up with to date and it isn't very good for phone or light tablet uses, 10 million of them (and assorted cousins) have been produced on Intel processes and shipped just this last quarter to warehouses at a first quarter booked "cost to produce" of $928 million dollars, with a proposed revenue value of only $156 million dollars. That would be a loss of $77.20 per chip produced and warehoused IF you could indeed sell them for $15.60 a piece, but you cannot get $15.60 because the competitive priced (and more versatile) ARM product sells for around $5.00 each. So Intel is going to have eat another $10.60 eventually to go with the $77.20 that they have already booked. In 2013 Intel lost 3 billion dollars in 2013 just on the small amount of mobile tablet business they got last year. They paid out all the profits from all of their other businesses and then some to accomplish this feat. And this year they want to do ten times that much "at loss" business? Why? Just so you have an explainable loss and owe no taxes to Uncle Sam? And Intel still has no phone chip yet at all. Put your calculators up, do not do the math, do not calculate any loss per chip because there was also a hidden massive buy back of stock by Intel to support their public image that accounts for a goodly bit of that apparent gross loss differential. Let it sit there, quietly, please. The information is flawed somewhere. I don't even want to know about the rest of it. The reported buying back of supposedly 22 million shares of common stock to manipulate/support the public stock price, the vapor product names switching features and lithography sizes in and out, the large repeated product delays, the loss leader pricing in excess of any sanity or any of the rest of it. Let Oz stay behind the curtain, he's too short, fat and ugly to look at. Here are the simple facts going forward. Intel faces real competition now in the tablet slot that they currently occupy from the production-wise much bigger, much larger sales, larger real dollar revenue making MediaTek and Allwinner (and the smaller Rockchip) who will make equivalent or better fully integrated multi-use tablet and/or phone ARM based chipsets selling them at a true profit at the same price point where Intel will be strongly loss-leadering their Bay Trail and Merrifield non-integrated tablet only products. Using Microsoft OS isn't any form of advantage here, all this dealing will be done as Android standard products or else as same-same MS OS products, with the OS playing field is fairly level at this point in time either way since both Android and MS OS is free at this point in time. And Intel is apparently willing to paste stacked Andrew Jacksons (3-4 of them?) on top of each tablet chip they have made so far to do this, not just the 50 cent pieces as was earlier thought. This can't be right .... nobody could do that and be allowed by their stockholders and their Board of Directors to keep their jobs. Not unless it was totally a "do or die" situation that makes it necessary. And it isn't do or die, IBM and Texas Instruments both made the correct decision not to go into that mobile chipset business space at such a terrible terrible price disadvantage. Both survived just fine, and yes they both shrank accordingly but in a healthy understandable pattern. Intel is shrinking too, but is still hemorrhaging blood money out the nose in a fountain spray just to be in this business at all. Something in what is currently being reported just can't be right --- right? It can't all just be ego, can it? It all can't be tax manipulation either, right? :-? Right? ====================== http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20140414PD201.html Intel must have a key to the Obama money printing facility, they have just dropped off a supposed $100,000,000 "technology help package" slush fund to "help" the smallest of the Chinese white box tablet makers to get them to use the Bay Trails that Intel will sell them at less than $5 each (less than Rockchip's best normal prices). This is clearly dumping (selling products below cost in selected markets) and leaves Intel open to litigation from their other chip customers. Also, the Chinese government won't sit by and watch Intel destroy part of their basic electronics industry for very long. Prediction, after carefully waiting until the "technology help package" slush money dries up, dumping charges by Chinese chip manufacturers causes China to stop allowing the shipping of disruptive Bay Trails into their country. Without a customer, Intel stops producing and selling Bay Trails at a loss. Intel becomes a small legacy/hobbist chipset manufacturer like Texas Instruments and IBM. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/15/14 at 20:57:38 Ok, so I have given up on the ol' Compaq Presario for the time being... I am going to clean the dvd drive up in side when I get time to take it apart. I decided to open up the wife's old Dragon based computer and hook up a couple old Seagate 250's , one was her drive originally installed in the Dragon and one was my old drive from my gaming computer, both of them have XP loaded on them. I am going to load up 64bit Linux cinnamon on a dual boot on her old drive and 64bit Linux cinnamon full install on my old drive (and hope it has drivers for my Linksys wireless card, if not I have a cable). If I get into trouble I will just log onto her drive and find out which files to copy and put in mine to make it run (or at least find out which drivers I need to download from Linux). Defragging the drives now and will install when it finishes.... more to come.... (oh...I left our world of warcraft games on them to test the video). :) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/14 at 21:30:48 Have you posted on the Mint or Ubuntu boards asking for Compaq Presario issues with the DVD drive? Surely if it was a known issue someone could share the fix or work around with you? Yup, it is a known problem --- http://askubuntu.com/questions/221672/install-problems-on-a-compaq-presario-cq50 |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/15/14 at 21:43:11 I'm thinking its the optical portion, like you mentioned before. It asked to retry several times during install of the 32 bit 16, was actually about 50% done before it crashed the last time. Its no skin off my back if it doesn't work, its just experimental to me and I might be able to help someone who has one. :) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/16/14 at 00:37:11 1E3D3537343D3D3423510 wrote:
you once again overestimate my computer savvy in other words do what to who for how much? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/16/14 at 05:04:09 Art, if the words Safe Boot or Safe Mode carry no meaning for you, just ignore them. They are just words. I'm not here to teach you Windows. Eventually something will eat your XP machine and you may stick the Mint DVD disk you bought into the optical drive and boot it because you have no choice. You will be surprised that it boots into a fully working Mint machine that does not install itself unless you tell it to, and that you can run as a fully operating system off the install DVD itself (abet slowly, since DVD drives are slow) complete with all the needed office softwares. You can try it out before you even install it. ::) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/16/14 at 10:13:01 I am now getting the messages on the opening of windows and google chrome. "Your hardware will no longer be supported in the near future and updates for your computer will no longer be available" Hardware not supported? They should say "our software updates for your computer hardware" or somesuch... Oh and mint 15 and 16 are not recognizing my wife's windows xp and wants to do a full install....LOL... i'm now downloading all my game updates on my hard drive and will see if it recognizes my windows xp, if I does i'll dual boot mine and full install on her's. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/16/14 at 14:35:09 Well after spending the last day and a half trying to reformat, defrag and install all updates on two hard drives that are approx. 8-10 yrs old. Hard drive 1 (wife's) Western Digital 250gig, loaded and updated windows just fine, runs our game just fine (little slower). Mint 15 and 16 , 32 bit cinnamon will not recognize the windows system on it and says there is nothing loaded on the drive and do i want to do a full install? Hard drive 2 (mine) Seagate 250gig, loaded windows just fine, game refused to load fully (says bad sector on the hard drive) Loaded mint 16, 32bit, recognized windows system, so i dual boot partitoned, linux started up fine on dual boot, so i updated all the files. Upon reboot to windows, system shows windows icon and loading bar, then resets and reboots. No matter what I do, or choose for the windows reboot (safe, last know good boot, safe with drivers ect... or regular) it will reset and reboot... so good bye windows on it. I'll keep playing around with stuff, let ya know, and even go to the forum for linux and put in my 2 cents and ask some questions. Oh, and it will NOT recognize my wireless linksys card :( (posted with mint 16, 32bit on old system) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/16/14 at 15:40:53 Did you burn your copy of the boot recovery / boot repair disk? Using the boot repair disk and now before it gets any more complicated might allow you to get back everything you're after. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/16/14 at 15:47:57 I'll slap it in there, see what happens :) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/17/14 at 00:36:42 7D5E5654575E5E5740320 wrote:
I've yet to find a good vid for replacing the system battery, and I haven't got my stuff backed up to CD roms yet, other than that I'm ready to give it a whirl I guess I can run off the DVD drive without worying about backing up though? just to see how the OS works, and not fear losing stuff also spent most of tuesday and part of wednesday pulling and cleaning the Ninjas carbs (now I remember why I don't like sportbikes, it takes longer to get the plastics on and off than it does to do the fool carbs) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Gerry on 04/17/14 at 11:42:03 3A292F2C3E39395B0 wrote:
I've yet to find a good vid for replacing the system battery, and I haven't got my stuff backed up to CD roms yet, other than that I'm ready to give it a whirl I guess I can run off the DVD drive without worying about backing up though? just to see how the OS works, and not fear losing stuff also spent most of tuesday and part of wednesday pulling and cleaning the Ninjas carbs (now I remember why I don't like sportbikes, it takes longer to get the plastics on and off than it does to do the fool carbs) [/quote] Hi Art, if you can work on Ninja multi carb assemblies you can find and change the cmos battery on your computer :) Don't know what your case is like but it will either have a few screws on the back, a thumb screw or you need to remove the front bezel. http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/lotus23bsr/Public%20Album/DSCN0930_zps9f0b4ddc.jpg http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/lotus23bsr/Public%20Album/DSCN0929_zps355beeeb.jpg http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/lotus23bsr/Public%20Album/DSCN0935_zps96079d78.jpg Here I am continuing to remove the bezel and cover to one of the computers in the preceding photos. http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/lotus23bsr/Public%20Album/DSCN0936_zps6a561d4a.jpg http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/lotus23bsr/Public%20Album/DSCN0937_zps4f8f82d7.jpg http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/lotus23bsr/Public%20Album/DSCN0938_zps5bb52606.jpg and the battery could look like this on your mother board. http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/lotus23bsr/Public%20Album/DSCN0941_zpsd823ba3b.jpg Some really old motherboards had your typical 9 volt battery as well, like you used to have in transistor radios that always went dead when you were on the beach with your girl... but I digress :) HTH, Gerry |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/17/14 at 15:18:49 that's actualy better than the vid I found on you tube, thatnks ninja is a 500r, so only 2 carbs, mostly it hard to get them suckers outa there haha |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/17/14 at 15:19:45 52414744565151330 wrote:
after changing the battery will I have to do all the settings or just time / date? |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Gerry on 04/17/14 at 18:23:42 You should just have to use default settings in bios. And set the date and time. Not sure what your bios is like but you may have to set the HDD perimeters, most bios's will auto detect. Gerry |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/17/14 at 19:28:48 Well, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is out now, and it seems it has a new installation method cooked into it called Updater. You do two-three clicks and get a new menu that lets you update from the previous version to the next version using the auto-update function -- without going through the DVD thing at all. :o progress, she comes !!! This sounds very interesting to me, and it will also be interesting to see if the Mint folks can leverage it over into Mint for this one as well. Installation could be as easy as 3 clicks if they can do it and it does work well. New stuff, it is always nice to hear about new stuff but it always seems to be actually work better in the second or third year when the gimmicks all get worked out totally and become completely stable. "But hopeful for the future, we are" sez Master Yoda .... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/17/14 at 20:36:05 BAHAHAHAHA well folks the joke's on me I finaly tried to load the Linuxdisk into my DVD drive, only to find my DVD drive has, at some point in time, died not sure at this point, looks like I'ma need new hardware one way or the other |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/18/14 at 04:56:26 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-11-6-C7-Chromebook-2GB-16GB-Chrome-OS-C710-2856-/271434720085?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3f32c52355 http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDUwMA==/z/Ta0AAOxyBvZTT-xe/$_1.JPG $130 and it has a Cat5 connection (wired 10/100 Lan) according to the listing and according to the reviews posted on the web. http://www.amazon.com/Acer-C710-Chromebook-11-6-C710-2856/product-reviews/B00DNGRL82 READ them CAREFULLY before ordering, it isn't Walmart and take backs will be much harder. I read a few, one guy says don't buy it as it requires wireless printing too. He says you need to have Wifi throughout your house to go Chromebook. This one has a Cat5 Lan connector but apparently all of Chrome OS defaults to wifi. It can be worked around by someone with basic PC skills and a wifi connection to start out from. People who want plug & go need to have a wifi base to work off of. But, this one is $65 cheaper than the one you bought originally, this gives you the budget bucks to buy a Wifi router. Rub becomes that if a modern wifi printer is really required as well, but the cost savings isn't going to buy one of those. Well, you are out of luck going to the cheap new stuff since you lack Wifi in your house and the new stuff DEPENDS on current technology being used throughout the house. Shame that, but good to know about it up front. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Art Webb on 04/18/14 at 10:10:17 I may just get a refurb with widows7, as I saw one on walmarts website for $128 (it should work fine without wifi) I can always put Linux on it later to me wifi will never be as secure as ethernet, which is not as secure as I would like we shall see though |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by rl153 on 04/18/14 at 21:41:55 OF, My hard drive is partitioned into c and d with windows xp. The d partition is fat 32 file system, and the c partition is ntfs file system ,the d partition is only a couple gb. the c partition is the majority of a 200 gb hard drive.How does the two different file systems ,partitions,effect the installation process? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/19/14 at 01:28:53 Your D: drive is your recovery partition and you should leave that alone. Your C: drive is your active partition, and you should defragment it in Windows and compress it and see how much free space you actually have available in it. What the installation program will do is let you shrink your C: drive and make room for the Linux drive. You don't need more than 20 gigs for the Linux set up, it simply doesn't take any more room than that. Some folks with large C: drives are letting Linux have over 100 gig which is unnecessarily huge, so when you get to that stage actively grab the colored space for the new drive and adjust it with your mouse to only a reasonable 20 gig Linux drive. Linux only really occupies 8 gigs on a standard install, the rest of the space is for your programs and stuff which will not mass all that large as Linux programs are tight and tiny, just like Linux itself. What your old drives are formatted in doesn't matter, Linux can read any file format. The partitions that are created by the install procedure will be in Ext4 format, which Windows (and its viruses) can't read. The Linux hard drive format itself is a better format, and the drive organization is superior as well. You NEVER have to defragment a Linux drive or do any form of maintenance to it, ever. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/19/14 at 02:05:45 ` We are getting closer in now .... the Ubuntu base program has been released this past week and the Mint folks are busily debugging and modifying it. Mint has made an announced change in what they will do going forward. Since Ubuntu seems to be thrashing about a bit lately in its direction Mint is only going to use the LTS versions of Ubuntu as the base of all future Mint releases. They will separate out the most stable and usable Ubuntu LTS releases and rework them for their LTS release (and any development sub- release they may choose to do). Mint will likely break with the Ubuntu 6 month cycle since where Ubuntu is going with these 6 month changes isn't where Mint is going at all any more. This is sensible since the Ubuntu 6 month stutter burps have become less and less meaningful change-wise and the bugs Ubuntu is leaving in each 6 month release are increasing in number and severity. Ubuntu has a dream of being the first convergent OS that is same same on all platforms and in chasing that dream they are moving further and further away from being a desktop system. Mint uses Ubuntu as a base to get the good things from Ubuntu like the installer and the repositories and the Steam support and, well, there are many many good things that Ubuntu adds to Debian to make Debian more user friendly. What Mint adds to the party is a complete focus on making a polished desktop experience, not giving up anything in trying to be a tablet or a phone OS. And yes, as Ubuntu moves further into the phone/table world the differences between Mint and Ubuntu will get bigger and wider. Mint has to constantly clean up the Ubuntu development bugs created in Ubuntu's frantic attempt to be a convergent OS, and Mint puts the only the most stable desktop interfaces back on top of the core OS system that remains. Mint itself is used as the base system for several different distros who choose to use Mint as it is twice refined and bug corrected. Peppermint is the Mint-based distro I have mentioned before for folks with very old machines that only have CD reader drives. Right now, Mint is actually more popular than Ubuntu and has been for the last 4 years. I changed over to Mint when Ubuntu went after tablets and phones as the interface needed to do that is really biased towards touch and I use a keyboard and mouse. Both work, Mint just is a lot more like XP to somebody changing over for the first time. Mint Mate is the most XP like Linux platform out there, so that is why we are using Mint Mate 17 LTS as our jump off point. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/19/14 at 07:41:36 This is the $90 BeagleBone Black from Texas Instruments .... http://liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/BeagleBone-Black.jpg I have said that modern ARM based chipsets can all run Linux and that soon the very best of them will be able to run a full desktop with no issues capacity wise. Did I mention the chipsets and boards are getting smaller and smaller as the integration of the phone chips gets more complete and all the various functions go on the chip itself? This one is a Beagle-board Black using a Texas Instruments chipset and it ships with Debian Linux on it as the booting desktop. :D I chuckle, because I can remember a Linux called DammeSmallLinux that its claim to fame was that it shipped on a credit card sized CD that was just so damme small folks naturally named it that. Then the thumb drive Linuxes came out ..... and now here is a similar sized full PC that fits easily in in your breast pocket. It will get smaller over time -- all these wearables watches and stuff are using even tinyer stuff that is going to spawn a bunch of even tiner little bitty micro computers. Eventually, you will have a HDMI pass through with a split to multiple USBs cable with a small knot in the cable that will be a carry anywhere PC with a built-in multi-use interface cable. Easy prediction that, think of the TV sticks that we have now and just shrink them a bunch. http://www.hardkernel.com//main/images/main/ODROID-U3.jpg This one is a $59 Hardkernel Odroid U-3 Samsung Exynos quad core board with a lot better specs. It comes with Ubuntu loaded on it for the booting OS. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/19/14 at 20:04:27 Exceptions to the 20 gig space requirements (in other words, I found a reason for you to want a lot of space on your Mint drive) STEAM !!! Steam has begun to shift the good old games over to Linux, the ones I played and LIKED back in the day, and their many many successors. Examples, Alice and Alice the Madness Returns and Longest Journey and Siberia and Siberia 2 (each of them for $2.99 each on sale) Now, I am not normally much of a gamer but I find as a budding old fart I have lots of time to kill and TV isn't cutting it, so I am gaming more than I used to. GAMES TAKE UP A LOT OF ROOM, and even if you use the Steam trick of un-installing them when you aren't using them then re-installing them when you want them again, the fact you have more games lying around means you will use a lot more room on your Linux drive. Each game is like 10-15 gigs .... occasionally a biggie takes 20 gigs all by itself. Steam makes gaming sooooo easy -- you can log into your account on multiple machines and keep some windows games over there on the wife's machine and keep your Linux games on your own machine. Sneaky, huh? Move your headphones and mouse over to her machine and do Siberia while she sleeps ..... She may wonder why you left a different mouse on her machine, that's because you game better with your best mouse type and a roller ball trackball mouse isn't always optimal for fast first person shooter work. A regular optical "jest move it" mouse works better sometimes. Note: if you prefer to do your gaming on Windows on your old partitions, leave enough room there for your game collection to expand. ============ Fair Warning about the Longest Journey and the Siberia games, the French/Russian sense of a "walk around and find/do things" game is extremely convoluted -- you will need a walk through to help you make progress, or else you will go crazy. :o 23 pages of complex puzzles that with the walk through are still tough to do. French/Russians are a complex people and even their modern mythology is feature rich -- and you sense that they have a sense of lasting pride in Russia, no matter if Czarist or Communist at the moment. Even the rusting ruins of a steam punk Communism are kinda impressive and sad .... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Gerry on 04/20/14 at 10:15:26 I loved the Myst series. You needed a walk thru for those too Gerry |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 04/20/14 at 11:41:37 My wife loves those types of games... and downloads the "cheats" for them all the time. LOL, she gets just as frustrated playing one of those as I do when i'm putting something together and it ain't working. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by rl153 on 04/20/14 at 12:30:35 Let me ask whoever wants to answer this.How do you properly log out of mint mate 16,from a live boot, and shut down your computer?Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/20/14 at 16:21:36 You are running off the CD? Click on the Mint Menu in the bottom left corner of the screen > bottom left Quit > Restart or Shut down -- it will exit the CD and eject it as part of the process. What, you thought it was going to be hard? ;) Mint ain't hard .... operates almost exactly like XP did. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by rl153 on 04/20/14 at 16:33:03 Thanks OF, I ordered the mint mate 16, 32 bit. I want to try live boot,to see what its like.Apparenty some people on the mint mate forum have problems with the live boot,I'm just trying to gather info. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 04/20/14 at 16:43:55 Fair warning --- Alice comes next ..... Alice bends your mind some -- it does something to you to be throwing them fire spewing jack-in-the-boxes around those blind corners at the bushwhacker guys and listening to them flammable card guys scream and shriek as they burn, especially the determined ones that actually manage to stumble around the corner all on fire & all thrashing and dancing and shrieking just trying so desperately to grab on to you to share the pain with you before they succumb. Alice is mad as a hatter, make no mistake about it -- and guess who you are when you play this game? Talking about playing with sharp knives .... and long thorned jacks, and blaster wands, and firepots. Toymaker would love it .... ;D Alice is a LONG and Complex game -- the dense terse text guide is 55 pages long on just how to get around the levels. There are items to collect and things to find and things you must do to open up hidden stuff to find all your lost memories, the check list of this sort of stuff is 54 pages long. If you do it all right, you can regain your sanity (pending Allce 3 coming out in a year or so anyway) ============================ Mint 16 is a stutter-bump release, so it might have been somewhat buggy when they turned it loose -- but that was 6 months ago so I would think all the things got fixed as they carefully prepped for the LTS release this month. Check the dates on your posts in the forums and compare it to the release date for the stutter-bump. Lastly, this is why I only use LTS releases -- they are very stable and complete when released compared to a stutter-bump. Some very cautious folks wait 6 months after the LTS is released so they have assurance that all has proven itself out to be all stable and and done by the time they touch it. I never found that to be necessary. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 05/07/14 at 06:52:14 Well, I think I will start up a new thread when Mint 17 finally comes out, this one is getting a little long to be a "precursor type" thread. The folks at Mint are choking a bit over the amount of work and time it is taking to clean up Ubuntu Trusty Tar (LTS 14.04). Not only have the Ubuntu people moved strongly towards mobile lately, but they have not done their normally good job on the Linux fundamentals for this particular LTS release. As you read this Ubuntu released bug list, understand why the Mint people are considering a few alternatives to chasing Ubuntu out into the future -- the amount of work to unscrew Ubuntu this time around is almost greater than working from scratch on a straight Debian basis. They are also considering lagging behind the Ubuntu LTS release for 6-12 months to give Ubuntu time to fix most of its bugginess/slackness items. This seems to be the most popular plan at the moment as Mint won't release software with this amount of known CRITICAL problems in it. CURRENT BUG LIST FOR UBUNTU 14.04 Only 4 out of 11 critical bug have been fixed in the last 40 days, so at this rate Mint will be delayed a while while Ubuntu fixes itself. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+bugs Plus, throw in the shrinking PC market on top of it, so Mint and the other sub-distros see a shrinking field for their endeavors. Plus, Ubuntu now freely admits this LTS will be their last "desktop" LTS, they like everyone else are looking to mobile/ARM 64 bit to be an evolutionary leap into a new computing format/system. Ubuntu is focused on this new computing world completely now and could quite frankly give a shite about the dinosaur desktop any more. Linux will never die, but look for desktop Linux distros to start consolidating back to 4-5 major flavors like it used to be back in the day. Also look for the time between desktop releases to go way way way up. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 05/16/14 at 17:45:02 http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2616 Current Ubuntu bug list is here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+bugs Please read the current Ubuntu bug list for critical defects still unfixed (8 out of 12 unfixed) and understand that until Ubuntu fixes the items under their control Linux Mint won't release the final stable release. BUT ---- in order to get a leg up on the items that belong to Mint that Mint CAN fix, the Linux Mint 17 release candidate #2 hit the mirrors today and the fun has begun .... most of what has been reported are the already known Ubuntu bugs but some are new and unique to Linux Mint and are in the Mint process of reporting and bug fixing at this time. We will NOT SEE A FINALIZED STABLE RELEASE ON LINUX MINT 17 UNTIL NEXT MONTH, possibly even later on into next month. If you want to take a risk that your machine does not have the hardware that fires off one of the Ubuntu bug issues (or you don't use German, etc) then please feel free to become a Linux Mint 17 final release candidate beta tester. Your final 17 beta software level will get updated with the fixes when identified and it will roll up into the stable release condition just as soon as these fixes hit the repositories. You will only have to install it once and then put up with a month or two of messing about while the roaches get stomped. Just don't be surprised if you do hit a snag or two right off the bat and DON't be quiet about it if it happens -- that is what Beta testing is all about. Go on the Mint forums and tell them about your issues. I will tell everyone when it is time to load up on the completed stable release (sometimes in June maybe). ::) Me, I will wait for the full stable release to come out, thank you very much. What does the word "triaged" really mean in Ubuntu speak? Not as important or urgent, perhaps might be left for the next 6 month "full redesign" release to design it out, ie. to make it completely "overcome by events'. Situationally unusual or relatively rare bugs that really aren't clear yet can get triaged until more repeated episodes are more thoroughly and understandably reported. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 05/18/14 at 18:40:37 Wife closed the little laptop without shutting it down while I was running mint15.... now it will not boot.... It stops after the LM logo and goes to text screen (initramfs)_ <--blinking courser so what now? reload? (edit) going to download Qiana (mint17 32bit) |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by old_rider on 05/18/14 at 20:08:01 45 min later..... mint 17 loaded and running! :) Now how do I "uninstall" mint 15?? I will read up on it...but if someone gets me the answer first...i'll be happy... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 05/19/14 at 04:25:36 At this stage the only way to get it off is to delete the partitions that it is on. Actually, old leftover Mint versions take up so little room I generally just leave them on the drive. What I would plan to do is to leave it alone until your next install, then tell that one to replace the existing mint installation. By the time 5 years is up, you may be so used to Linux by then you tell it to take the whole drive, especially since by then your XP will be termite ridden or possibly even completely dead by then. ============================ Remember that boot recovery disk I had you to download a while ago? It is for situations like your wife created --- you should use it ASAP when they happen to get the bootloader fixed up again. She didn't hurt or delete anything, Microsoft attempted to "fix" what it saw as a problem on reboot and screwed up your boot loader in doing so. Microsoft sees any Linux install as a "problem" and tries to correct it and intentionally screws everything up in the attempt. Intentionally. Intentional, yep, you betcha. MS would trash your whole machine and expect you to go reload your entire MS OS rather than have you have Linux on your machine. If you used that recovery disk right now you would get back your boot loader complete and fresh and it would have XP and both of your mints showing as boot up choices. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 05/19/14 at 04:43:51 Oldrider, Having reloaded a Windows OS and a Mint lately, can you tell us in your own words which one is easier/better and why? Nothing like having someone who has just done it for the first time to tell you all about it (same reason the newbie gets to report the mountain trips -- it is all fresh and new to them). |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 05/19/14 at 05:39:13 An aside from the folks at Linux Mint --- they tell us what they thought about the Ubuntu base and its performance "in general". As always, the Mint people are very respectful of the upstream providers, but you will note they expect a lot of bugs and to be very busy fixing them. Also note Mint is going to be staying with this particular LTS release for 3-5 years once they get it right before they are even willing to go clean up another Ubuntu LTS release. ::) "Linux Mint 17 “Qiana” passed QA yesterday. It was approved for an RC release which should come out either tomorrow or the day after. Some of the improvements featured in Linux Mint 17 came extremely late in the release cycle but they all managed to get in and we can’t wait to show you what’s new. Of course, you always find a lot of bugs during the RC process, and we’re ready for your feedback, we know we’re going to be busy. But in the meantime, I found the quality of this release to be outstanding. Everything is smooth, some bugs which affected multiple past releases (the shutdown sequence, the inability to install broadcom drivers offline..etc) have been fixed, and Qiana comes with the same traditional look-and-feel but implemented in a brand new Mint-X theme, so the experience feels very polished. The decision was made to stick to LTS bases. In other words the development team will be focused on the very same package base used by Linux Mint 17 for the next 2 years. It will also be trivial to upgrade from version 17 to 17.1, then 17.2 and so on. Important applications will be backported and we expect this change to boost the pace of our development and reduce the amount of regressions in each new Linux Mint release. This makes Linux Mint 17.x very important to us, not just yet another release, but one that will receive security updates until 2019, one that will receive backports and new features until 2016 and even more importantly, the only package base besides LMDE which we’ll be focused on until 2016. New equipment was acquired, including hidpi laptops for two members of the development team, a broadcom chipset (finally), a macbook pro and some NUC units sent by Intel. Our site traffic has doubled lately and all our stats are on the raise, and we don’t know why. Maybe it’s related to the the end-of-life of Windows XP. We’re not really sure. The blog went down a few times, we’re addressing this by tuning its configuration. Post-release we’re likely to buy more servers to split services and scale our infrastructure." :D OK, I give up -- I downloaded the 64 bit MATE 17 version and installed it, release candidate bugs and all. Took me about 35 minutes including downloading the ISO image and burning it to a DVD. Tuning took all of a half hour to get my desktop set up right and get all my Firefox preferences and saved bookmarks moved over (and Firefox with the old complete menu bars is what came with the Mint 17, so once again the Mint guys know what us desktop type people really want. I recommend Adblock 2.6 as a worthwhile Firefox add on. It wipes out the junk stuff from web pages that you load and it takes out the side bar from Voodoo whatsitface that is messing up my SuzukiSavage page viewing. Tip: Reboot your machine periodically while in this period of rapid updating, some system items benefit from a reboot (they go faster afterwards). Linux prides itself on not requiring you to reboot all the time, but doing it once a week during the period of rapid updating is just smart to do. Reboot if things seem slow. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 05/20/14 at 19:27:17 Steam works better on Mint 17, the video drivers are better (three choices for my not so great AMD/ATI card, two of which run my Linux games better than before) :D |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 05/30/14 at 17:15:31 Linux Mint 17 mate has been officially released. Go for it ..... |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by verslagen1 on 05/30/14 at 21:04:58 new drive is being delivered next week, then we'll give 'er a go. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 06/05/14 at 09:18:46 In watching the flow of updates, most all of the integral Mint 17 main files have been upgraded twice since I first loaded it up. This week the update flow has been minimal, one (1) file in the last 4 days. It is stable now. I can attest it works good. Installation is a no-brainer. Go for it. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by verslagen1 on 06/05/14 at 09:57:52 What do think is the better plan... I have 2 dell e1505's for my kids. they both have 120Gb hard drives. I have 500Gb to replace them with. Son says he's concerned with going to Linux Daughter says :-? what's Linux So I was thinking screw MS, new drive Mint all the way cold turkey. But now, dual boot don't sound too bad. |
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Title: Re: Dual Booting to Linux Mint 17, Mate version Post by Oldfeller on 06/05/14 at 10:20:15 I think that a dual boot period is essential to wean any MS addicted person from their addiction. ;D Seriously, the kids will NOT spend the time needed to find the Linux softwares to do all the things they need to do .... they will want their MS world left untouched and operating. They will learn to like Linux when their MS world goes tits up on them unexpectedly and they can still reboot (dual boot) and still do what they need in Linux. I took a year of dual booting before I was "primarily" a Linux person, but I admit to being 3 years into it before I got pissed at MS and decided to go cold turkey and kick MS off my hard drive. Kids do what other kids do -- if Ubuntu becomes the rave they will want to be with the crowd when that happens. Otherwise, not .... ;) Everyone knows that Linux Mint is for old farts like Dad and his buddies. |
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