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Title: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 12/19/13 at 15:00:59 My understanding us the squeaking noise is just part of owning an S40. It is getting really loud. I didn't notice how bad it was till I heard my buddy go down the road. I could hear it 100 yards down the road. We adjusted the belt and back tire a little bit. Does anyone have any thoughts? Thanks and happy holidays. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by verslagen1 on 12/19/13 at 15:19:34 455641405F5254565D02330 wrote:
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 12/19/13 at 17:09:02 Thanks Verslagen. Do I understand this correctly: I should be able to twist the belt to a 90 degree angle if it has the proper tension? I can probably twist it to a 45 degree angle as is. Best regards. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by S-P on 12/19/13 at 19:27:01 The belt twist test. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1366651397/1#1 |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 12/19/13 at 19:31:54 Thanks, much appreciated. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/13 at 03:57:54 Any lumberjack CAN get that 90*.. It needs to be able to twist 90* w/o breaking a sweat. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by Dave on 12/20/13 at 04:50:11 Once you have the tension set....then play around with the alignment of the rear wheel until the belt rides down the center of the pulley. If the belt is riding up against one side....then tighten the adjuster on the side it is rubbing....or loosen the opposite side a bit and get the belt so it rides in the center. You should be able to see a small gap on both sides of the belt....it should not rub against the sides of the pulley. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 12/20/13 at 19:50:17 Thanks for the insight, it is appreciated. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by old_rider on 12/21/13 at 01:17:22 What squeaking? you got a mouse in yer pocket? Listen to dave , he got the answer fer sure.... |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by Bluesman on 12/21/13 at 01:24:43 Your belt is too tight. Also, check the pulleys - sometimes a piece of gravel can get wedged in between the teeth, and that can/will force the belt to lean onto the pulley sidewall = squeal. Been there :) |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 12/21/13 at 03:07:20 That was my next concern. How much play should be in the rear pulley? It had more play in it than I can remember. But it has been a long time since I had looked at it. I can get it to move maybe a quarter inch each way. My initial thoughts was a spacer needs to be replaced. Thanks and happy holidays. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by Dave on 12/21/13 at 05:25:56 If you have excessive wobble in the rear pulley, try cutting some spacers out of a rubber floor mat or innertube or rubber roofing to take up some slack. http://i42.tinypic.com/2rc8y9v.jpg |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by Boofer on 12/21/13 at 06:26:46 Wobble would only occur because of worn bearings/axle wear. Spacers in the hub provide shock resistance when accelerating or decelerating. Try some belt dressing. it usually comes in a spray can. Also do the checks listed here. :) |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by Serowbot on 12/21/13 at 09:31:44 If the pulley is loose enough to start causing jerky, snatchy, accel/decel I'd think about Daves mod... 'Course... we do have a torquey engine... some snatch is cool... 8-)... |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by Dave on 12/21/13 at 14:20:57 The mod that I did on mine was not to stop the rotational movement of the pulley.....it is to take up some of the wobble play and help to keep the pulley parallel with the wheel hub. The bearing that is on the pulley hub just seems to allow too much wobble, even on a low mileage bike. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 12/21/13 at 18:04:49 Fortunately, it's not jerking and so fourth, but I probably need to do that as well. Good idea. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 01/21/14 at 11:12:47 I checked the rear wheel & belt alignment this morning. I got the back wheel off the ground enough to spin it a bit. That was what one of the our moderators recommended. Sorry can't remember who, but a real good idea. Every time I thought I got the belt straight it would slowly want to go to the left side of the pulley. I checked the tension in the pulley as well. When on the ground it was nice and stable, but when I loosened everything up and got the rear wheel off the ground that pulley would really wobble. I'm guessing Dave's mod would help significantly, but more than likely more items need to be replaced. Does that sound pretty accurate? As always thanks for your help. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by Dave on 01/22/14 at 05:20:56 I am going to be taking my rear wheel apart in the next couple of weeks and see what is going on in there. The rear pulley should not be able to wobble. The pulley hub has a bearing and seal near the outside edge - the inside edge should engage into the rear wheel hub......and that should prevent the wobble. I suspect the fit between the pulley and wheel hubs is too loose to prevent the wobble....and the rubber spacers are doing a job they should not be asked to do. I might try installing a bushing in that area to take up some slack. (More to come!) |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 01/22/14 at 05:34:45 Thanks Dave, I'll follow the thread. Your mod looked pretty straight forward, but I think I'm going to need to do more. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 01/22/14 at 16:54:58 I looked at partsfish and the rear hub today. There really isn't much room for more than a washer or two as opposed to a bushing. I suppose I should get the new dampeners and do Dave's mod and see how that works. I don't know what else to try? |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by verslagen1 on 01/22/14 at 17:02:23 measure the OD on the pulley that'll engage with the hub. and the ID on the Hub that'll engage with the pulley. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 01/22/14 at 17:15:23 Sorry, I don't quite understand. Can you elaborate? Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/23/14 at 03:24:58 Measure where it fits together,, ID = inside diameter OD = outside diameter One part slips inside the other,, loose = wobble. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 01/23/14 at 03:38:04 Thanks, I'm not good with acronyms. :-[ Will do. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/23/14 at 06:35:35 No biggeee, man,, lotsa folks hane no Idea what ID & OD mean,,once youve been around people who use those terms, then ya know. Dial calipers are very handy. If theyre too pricey, verniers are great & cheap. Problem is, for me anyway, I cant remember how to read them, so, I use them in nasty places & for comparing things,, like if I have a screw & I wanna punch a pilot hole thats gonna be just a little tight on the shank & let the threads cut in, then I measure the shank between threads & then find a drill bit that will almost fit in the caliper jaws. If ya get a dial caliper, keep the track ( those tiny little teeth that drive the dial) clean & never slam it shut. The needle on the dial gets moving fast & stops fast & starts spinning on the shaft. Itll mess them up,, Ive got some Dillon calipers, bought used for $20.00. Of course, you can get the electronic ones from Harbor Freight. Theyre handy. They convert from inches to metric at the push of a button, but the ding dang battery just doesnt last.I keep one in the refrigerator for that time when I NEED that thing,, |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by Dave on 01/23/14 at 08:40:18 I will have mine apart in a week or two and check the ID/OD thing....along with placing an o-ring or nylon tie over the pulley hub to confirm how much engagement occurs when it is assembled. There just seems to be an excessive amount of play for some reason.....the cause is a mystery at this point. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by Boogieman on 01/23/14 at 13:19:24 Yeah please do Dave. i'd b real interested in your findings. I put pieces of cut up inner tube jst like that pic u posted. It did take most of the slack out and it does keep it from wobbling...but it feels like we shouldn't have to do that |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/23/14 at 21:12:34 Think about the pounding that rubber takes,, consider how cheap the bikes are, yea,, we are gonna hafta do some things,, |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 01/24/14 at 03:42:43 I'm guessing those pads have evaporated on mine. Calipers were $19-30 at harbor as well. I'm going to pull that rear end apart in the next couple days. To cold to do it now. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/14 at 09:57:59 Call a machine shop supply house,, call a machine shop, dont trust HF to have the best deal.Graingers.. http://www.globalindustrial.com/g/tools/test-measurement/calipers-dial/fowler-dial-calipers YOu can get USA made |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 01/24/14 at 16:29:44 Thanks JOG, you're always happy to help. Do you hold the record for the most posts? That's kind of hard to believe: a cheaper price than HF and something still made outside of china. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/24/14 at 21:18:11 I may,, I was JOG, that died, Then JOG 1,, now JOG2.. I may have the most posts, but that dont make me the smart guy.,., |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 01/25/14 at 16:37:50 It is very evident you know your stuff. My favorite quote regarding intelligence: "You can learn something new everyday, and still die dumb." |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/25/14 at 21:17:01 Man, I embarrass myself regularly. I answer someones question & someone comes along & really nails it,,But,, thats what WE are here for,, between us, someone is gonna have the answer,, there are some serious tuning guys here,, Im not one, Im glad if Ive helped you, but Im just a dude,, not a gee whizz fixit all guy,, I do try to help & if I have, then Im very happy,,& thanks, |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 01/26/14 at 15:41:45 I pulled the wheel off today and it looked better than I was expecting. The pads in the hub were squished in about the same amount that the pulley would wobble. I think Dave's mod will work well. I'm going to check the diameter of the hubs as V1 suggested. |
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Title: Re: Rear belt pully squeak Post by pgambr on 02/03/14 at 16:30:13 Gents, I put in new pads in the pulley hub and did Dave's mod as well. Problem solved. I also had the opportunity to try out the rapture I recently put in. I know the reserve works as I didn't make it around the block before it ran out of gas. :D I got a dyna muff on the way and sometime here I'm sure I will do the Versey tensioner as well. Along with some rotella T & zddplus I should be in good shape for a couple more years. I hope anyway. Regardless thanks for all your help! |
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